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My sister is currently watching that Netflix series You. She just finished episode 7 and I watched three of them with her. I barely dare to admit it but I really enjoy it. It is definitely trashy and I guess you can consider it to be problematic, but I have a lot of fun with it.


Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 am
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A really interesting essay on Russian Doll by Matt Zoller Seitz


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Yeah, I agree that there was something lacking there. Another slight nitpick of mine is

Her ex boyfriend not returning in the last episode. He seemed to be really important in the beginning of the show, but doesn't even get mentioned in the final.


I didn't mind that so much because
there was so much focus at first on "What did I do to someone else?". But really she needed to figure out her own self-destructive patterns. Her flaking out on her ex was part of the pattern, not actually the THING that she needed to fix. I think that having him in the end would have muddied the waters, because it might have seemed like it was sending
a message that to fix herself, she needed to get with a man and embrace being a surrogate mom. I liked that the ex was written as a decent guy, and I think that overall he comes off well in the series.
But having him be part of her figuring things out would have felt a little like it was suggesting that a romantic/sexual relationship was the key to her happiness. I think that the series wanted to be deeper and more introspective than that.

I will say that the way that they show the ex, the fact that in the different versions she gets closer and closer to being with him (like toward the end wanting to meet the daughter and give her the book), imply to me that they will have a future together.


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I didn't mind that so much because
there was so much focus at first on "What did I do to someone else?". But really she needed to figure out her own self-destructive patterns. Her flaking out on her ex was part of the pattern, not actually the THING that she needed to fix. I think that having him in the end would have muddied the waters, because it might have seemed like it was sending
a message that to fix herself, she needed to get with a man and embrace being a surrogate mom. I liked that the ex was written as a decent guy, and I think that overall he comes off well in the series.
But having him be part of her figuring things out would have felt a little like it was suggesting that a romantic/sexual relationship was the key to her happiness. I think that the series wanted to be deeper and more introspective than that.

I will say that the way that they show the ex, the fact that in the different versions she gets closer and closer to being with him (like toward the end wanting to meet the daughter and give her the book), imply to me that they will have a future together.

I see, you make a good point there.
I wasn't really hoping for them two to get together again or something like that, since like you say, her finding happiness isn't about getting a man in her life, but since the writers were trying to wrap things up neatly in that final episode, I found it to be kind of odd that a very important character doesn't return or even get mentioned.

But I just read that the show was pitched as a 3 season-deal, so there's a big chance we will see more of these characters.


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Thanks for sharing! I hadn't noticed the *MAJOR SPOILERS!!!!*
three Nadias at the end!


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To demonstrate the genius of Documentary Now, I will provide the debut of the new season, a wonderful parody of Wild Wild Country.



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My sister is currently watching that Netflix series You. She just finished episode 7 and I watched three of them with her. I barely dare to admit it but I really enjoy it. It is definitely trashy and I guess you can consider it to be problematic, but I have a lot of fun with it.


I think it's wonderful :up:


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Is Barry any good?


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Is Barry any good?


It gets really good reviews.

I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my to-see list. I really like Bill Hader.


Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:13 am
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Is Barry any good?

I liked it. Looking forward to season 2.


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Is Barry any good?
Yes. Definitely worth watching. And season one consists of only 8 episodes and those seem to fly by. That's one thing about the show. There's little to no dead weight or filler. Berg and Hader and the rest of the writers were really generous with even the peripheral characters holding their own. And it's good to see Henry Winkler in anything.


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Started three shows/seasons yesterday...

Ozark (Season 1) - The premise seems a bit silly/campy, but I liked the overall execution of the first episode. If anything, that last shot of the family looking at the Mississippi river from that cliff felt really stupid.

House of Cards (Season 6) - *sigh* I was really struggling to get back on this. I wasn't a huge fan of some elements of the last season, but I liked the show. Being the completist that I am, I had to finish it, even though I'm dreading the effect all the BTS drama had in it. I really went at it with no expectations, but the first episode was ok, I guess. It's impossible to look at the show without acknowledging what went on, but the writers/directors know it and play off of it.

Stranger Things (Season 2) - First episode was pretty good. Just basic setup, but brought back the same earnest essence that we knew the show for as they let us know where everybody's at.

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(mid) Season 9 premiere of The Walking Dead didn't contain any huge surprises. Par for the course. I'm glad they still have Jeffrey Dean Morgan on board. He's one of the few remaining interesting characters left. They killed off a regular of sorts in the cliffhanger but there are so many cast members that people disappear for weeks at a time and often are only reintroduced long enough to be killed off. I'm not sure there's been a momentous death in years. At least one that felt like it mattered. I think they pretty much botched Glenn and Abraham's deaths. They don't really know what the fuck to do with Darryl or Michonne and Carol is once again MIA. Anyway, the new tame Negan and little Judith Grimes were the only bright spots. They'll get a few episodes out of the Whisperers but then what?


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(mid) Season 9 premiere of The Walking Dead didn't contain any huge surprises. Par for the course. I'm glad they still have Jeffrey Dean Morgan on board. He's one of the few remaining interesting characters left. They killed off a regular of sorts in the cliffhanger but there are so many cast members that people disappear for weeks at a time and often are only reintroduced long enough to be killed off. I'm not sure there's been a momentous death in years. At least one that felt like it mattered. I think they pretty much botched Glenn and Abraham's deaths. They don't really know what the fuck to do with Darryl or Michonne and Carol is once again MIA. Anyway, the new tame Negan and little Judith Grimes were the only bright spots. They'll get a few episodes out of the Whisperers but then what?


I didn't read your write-up cause I wanted to avoid spoilers (don't know if there are any), but I've been ambivalent on jumping back to the show. Haven't seen anything from Season 9 yet. Thought about it yesterday when they had the marathon en route to the mid-season premiere, but other things came up and I really didn't care. What is your take on the first half?

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What is your take on the first half?
From all appearances they seemed to have jettisoned two troublesome characters. But it's a bad sign when a show's two biggest stars have been painted into a corner due to shitty, uninspired writing. And, as I stated before, the remaining veteran players are more or less in the same boat. The show just doesn't seem to know what to do with them. Part of it was just the sheer number of characters the show had accumulated. But then with each person killed or written off they bring in a whole other batch. Plus the annoying side characters that are given screen time after loitering on the edges for weeks and weeks. I don't know if you followed the show up to the end of season 8 but they killed off a semi regular and Sunday's episode dealt with that (to little or no effect). At this point the show is like a long running soap opera that only the most devoted of fans still give a rat's ass about. It needs a top to bottom retooling and so far it's all a band-aid remedy. At this point it has little to no ties to the comic so I'm not sure what's stopping them. Bottom line is that the show hit it's peak several seasons ago and the Negan/Glenn/Abraham moment was the final nail in the coffin. It'll continue to limp along as long as it generates revenue and then the producers can kick back and rake in that syndication money.


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From all appearances they seemed to have jettisoned two troublesome characters. But it's a bad sign when a show's two biggest stars have been painted into a corner due to shitty, uninspired writing. And, as I stated before, the remaining veteran players are more or less in the same boat. The show just doesn't seem to know what to do with them. Part of it was just the sheer number of characters the show had accumulated. But then with each person killed or written off they bring in a whole other batch. Plus the annoying side characters that are given screen time after loitering on the edges for weeks and weeks. I don't know if you followed the show up to the end of season 8 but they killed off a semi regular and Sunday's episode dealt with that (to little or no effect). At this point the show is like a long running soap opera that only the most devoted of fans still give a rat's ass about. It needs a top to bottom retooling and so far it's all a band-aid remedy. At this point it has little to no ties to the comic so I'm not sure what's stopping them. Bottom line is that the show hit it's peak several seasons ago and the Negan/Glenn/Abraham moment was the final nail in the coffin. It'll continue to limp along as long as it generates revenue and then the producers can kick back and rake in that syndication money.


I stumbled towards the end of season 8, but it was a chore. I agree with all of the things you mention, the "uninspired writing", the excess of characters, not knowing what to do with most of them, the "annoying side characters that are given screen time", the "band-aid remedies" the showrunners seem to be applying... I'm even struggling to remember what "semi-regular" you were referring to, which shows how much I "care" about the show.

There's some morbid curiosity as well as a sense of completion that's slightly taunting me to pick it up again, but it's not that strong. Maybe, maybe not. Meh.

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I stumbled towards the end of season 8, but it was a chore.... I'm even struggling to remember what "semi-regular" you were referring to, which shows how much I "care" about the show.
It happened during the cemetery scene at the very end.
Jesus got a knife run through him. At this point it's easy to tell which character is going to get killed. If they devote any kind of time to them after having ignored or neglected them for a long spell and they're not a well loved character then they're as good as dead.


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I've watched two episodes of the new Adult Swim series Tigtone, a satire of fantasy RPGs, and while it has its moments, it's only mildly amusing. It reminds me of the short-lived Comedy Central series Moonbeam City, which also satirized a niche genre, i.e. the "Outrun" aesthetic also satirized in Kung Fury. Like that show, the aesthetics are more satisfying than its content and the satire isn't totally successful because it depends too much on tropes it's making fun of to tell its stories. All the same, Moonbeam got better as it went on, so maybe this series does as well.

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I've watched two episodes of the new Adult Swim series Tigtone, a satire of fantasy RPGs, and while it has its moments, it's only mildly amusing. It reminds me of the short-lived Comedy Central series Moonbeam City, which also satirized a niche genre, i.e. the "Outrun" aesthetic also satirized in Kung Fury. Like that show, the aesthetics are more satisfying than its content and the satire isn't totally successful because it depends too much on tropes it's making fun of to tell its stories. All the same, Moonbeam got better as it went on, so maybe this series does as well.
I've watched maybe four episodes. Not much in the way of progression yet. Have you checked out Tropical Cop Tales?


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I've watched maybe four episodes. Not much in the way of progression yet. Have you checked out Tropical Cop Tales?
I haven't. I see it has a 3.7 rating on IMDb and many 1/10 reviews. Ouch.

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Okay, I am about 4 episodes into Bunheads and I am enjoying it. I think that my only real downside is that the dialogue is that style where everyone sounds like they are in a stage play. Sutton Foster is a delight.


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I think that my only real downside is that the dialogue is that style where everyone sounds like they are in a stage play.

I don't know if this is common knowledge, but the Bunheads showrunner was also responsible for Gilmore Girls, which might explain what you're referring to.
(I'm a closet Gilmore fan, but never got around to Bunheads)

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I don't know if this is common knowledge, but the Bunheads showrunner was also responsible for Gilmore Girls, which might explain what you're referring to.
(I'm a closet Gilmore fan, but never got around to Bunheads)


I've probably only seen about 20 minutes total of Gilmore Girls (no offense to the show! It just happened to air when I was at school and didn't have access to television for a few years. Also, generally speaking, I'm not that into dramas), but I'm very aware that this is the "quick banter" style that the creator seems to like. It was a bit much in the first two episodes (like, distractingly not at all how a real human would speak), but they've found a much better balance in the last two episodes where it's still a bit "stagey", but there's a better rhythm to it and several of the actors are settling into it so that the line delivery feels more natural to the characters.


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Okay, I am about 4 episodes into Bunheads and I am enjoying it. I think that my only real downside is that the dialogue is that style where everyone sounds like they are in a stage play. Sutton Foster is a delight.
The only downside to saying that there's anything wrong about any part of Bunheads is that your credibility is gone forever. But, don't worry, I'm sure you can get it back - wait, no, it's gone forever.

I have credibility in this sort of thing. Forget that I said the first two episodes weren't very good, just trust me.

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Against my better judgment, since it involves one of my favorite shows, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in on the whole "Breaking Bad vs. Better Call Saul" debate on the side of the former... with the admittedly massive caveat of having seen the entirety of BB multiple times, as opposed to having seen only most of the 1st season of Saul a couple of years ago. Part of the reason that I didn't continue with Saul is just that, around that time, I was beginning to cease completely with following serialized series in favor of focusing more on watching movies, but still, while I felt that what I saw of Saul was pretty good, and a solid foundation for a long-running series (with at least one great episode in that batch), I still found most of what I saw of it to be a bit overly restrained and low-key on the whole, as opposed to the constant grip I felt while watching BB even in just its 1st season (in retrospect, not all of it held up 100% as well the 2nd time around, but that initial run-through still got my craving a binge of every single ep I could get my hands on at the time).

You can probably chalk that up due to my personal preference for media with certain "heightened" styles and sensibilities, as a legacy of Cowboy Bebop being one of the first "adult" shows I ever truly loved (and still one of my favorites to this day) but the argument I've seen that Saul is a better show partly because it's a more subtle drama while Bad tried too hard to constantly force in too many over-the-top thrills and jolts in doesn't make much sense to me; of course, it's possible for any show to try too hard at anything, it's just that I've never felt that Bad was one of them. As a show that's at least partly a thriller, I almost never felt like any single cliffhanger or particularly "exciting" moment on it was just there to shoehorn in any additional thrills, as everything felt very natural and effortless in that regard, in addition to it being just as amazing on an emotional front (so instead of "just" getting one of the greatest thrillers of all time, we also got one of the greatest dramas at the same time, as far as I'm concerned). It's like saying Schinder's List is automatically a better example of its particular genre than Raiders Of The Lost Ark because it's a Holocaust drama, while Raiders is "just" an escapist, old school serial-inspired action-adventure; no, two different works can be equally great in their own individual ways, regardless of whether the respective genres they fall into tends to get more respect than the other. Anyway, even if Saul had become more engaging to me from the point I left off at (which I'd like to think so, since BB got better and better with each new season), at best, it would've ended up tying evenly with Bad for being one of my favorite shows, as, since, while there are shows I like AS MUCH as Breaking Bad, and, while it's not like I think every single microsecond of it was 100% perfect, since no work of art ever is, I've still yet to see anything that I like better than it at all, whether it be Bebop, golden-age Simpsons, or anything else you could hope to name.

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Stu wrote:
Against my better judgment, since it involves one of my favorite shows, I'm going to throw my 2 cents in on the whole "Breaking Bad vs. Better Call Saul" debate on the side of the former... with the admittedly massive caveat of having seen the entirety of BB multiple times, as opposed to having seen only most of the 1st season of Saul a couple of years ago. Part of the reason that I didn't continue with Saul is just that, around that time, I was beginning to cease completely with following serialized series in favor of focusing more on watching movies, but still, while I felt that what I saw of Saul was pretty good, and a solid foundation for a long-running series (with at least one great episode in that batch), I still found most of what I saw of it to be a bit overly restrained and low-key on the whole, as opposed to the constant grip I felt while watching BB even in just its 1st season (in retrospect, not all of it held up 100% as well the 2nd time around, but that initial run-through still got my craving a binge of every single ep I could get my hands on at the time).

You can probably chalk that up due to my personal preference for media with certain "heightened" styles and sensibilities, as a legacy of Cowboy Bebop being one of the first "adult" shows I ever truly loved (and still one of my favorites to this day) but the argument I've seen that Saul is a better show partly because it's a more subtle drama while Bad tried too hard to constantly force in too many over-the-top thrills and jolts in doesn't make much sense to me; of course, it's possible for any show to try too hard at anything, it's just that I've never felt that Bad was one of them. As a show that's at least partly a thriller, I almost never felt like any single cliffhanger or particularly "exciting" moment on it was just there to shoehorn in any additional thrills, as everything felt very natural and effortless in that regard, in addition to it being just as amazing on an emotional front (so instead of "just" getting one of the greatest thrillers of all time, we also got one of the greatest dramas at the same time, as far as I'm concerned). It's like saying Schinder's List is automatically a better example of its particular genre than Raiders Of The Lost Ark because it's a Holocaust drama, while Raiders is "just" an escapist, old school serial-inspired action-adventure; no, two different works can be equally great in their own individual ways, regardless of whether the respective genres they fall into tends to get more respect than the other. Anyway, even if Saul had become more engaging to me from the point I left off at (which I'd like to think so, since BB got better and better with each new season), at best, it would've ended up tying evenly with Bad for being one of my favorite shows, as, since, while there are shows I like AS MUCH as Breaking Bad, and, while it's not like I think every single microsecond of it was 100% perfect, since no work of art ever is, I've still yet to see anything that I like better than it at all, whether it be Bebop, golden-age Simpsons, or anything else you could hope to name.

/twocents


I like/love Saul, but I would say I agree with your overall point; particularly about it being "a bit overly restrained and low-key on the whole". That's not a bad thing, but there are times when I feel it builds up to something, and then fails to deliver a punch equivalent to what it was building up to. I still think it's one of the best shows I'm currently seeing, but as a whole, I think I'll reserve my overall judgment until it ends. Still, as of now, I don't think it's as good as BB.

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I'm still watching BCS out of brand loyalty. it is far from mediocre but man, this show does not need five seasons.


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I bailed on wesley snipes The Player... why not just call it Persons of a Betting Interest :roll:


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I bailed on wesley snipes The Player... why not just call it Persons of a Betting Interest :roll:
I also bailed pretty quickly. That show really taxed my patience.

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The Missing (Season 1) 9/10

The Punisher (season 2) 7/10

The Blacklist (Seasons 2-5) 6/10 Didn't watch every episode as theres only so many times i can bare Spaders "I once played backgammon in geneva with the president of uganda" kinda lines :roll:


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I also bailed pretty quickly. That show really taxed my patience.

Well done, sir.

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The Missing (Season 1) 9/10

The Punisher (season 2) 7/10

The Blacklist (Seasons 2-5) 6/10 Didn't watch every episode as theres only so many times i can bare Spaders "I once played backgammon in geneva with the president of uganda" kinda lines :roll:


I couldn't even finish Season 1. Ugh.

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Started season 1 of One Day at a Time and I am quite enjoying it. Very sitcom, but also I really like the whole cast.


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Started season 1 of One Day at a Time and I am quite enjoying it. Very sitcom, but also I really like the whole cast.


My wife is watching it and she likes it. I think she binged most of it during last week.

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