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In more positive news, season 12 of MST3K is confirmed.
I'm hoping their new riffers can show some stronger chemistry together next season ala the Sci-Fi era of the show, but regardless, any new MST at all is always a welcome thing to me.

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Sat Nov 25, 2017 11:39 am
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assuming this can be the new official Trump-bashing thread, Masha Gessen revisits her "Autocracy: Rules for Survival" article from last year.


Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:56 pm
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I love how Trump just got cock-blocked out of running the CFPB.


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Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:57 pm
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Speaking of Trump, LWT just did another epic takedown of his presidency, focusing on the 3 most dangerous tactics he likes to use daily:


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Speaking of Trump, LWT just did another epic takedown of his presidency, focusing on the 3 most dangerous tactics he likes to use daily:



a-yerp. just to add to that, the Russian model for cacophony. nothing is true and everything is possible.


Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:51 am
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I love how Trump just got cock-blocked out of running the CFPB.

I may have jumped the gun slightly on this, but, to my credit, I may have overestimated the intelligence currently inhabiting our federal court benches.

Not only is the succession of leadership made clear in the Dodd-Frank legislation that created the CFPB, but more troubling is that what Trump is doing provides him with a loophole around Senate confirmation. By naming Mulvaney as 'acting director', he doesn't need confirmation but also, technically, Trump is not obligated to name a full-time director who would then need confirmation, especially not for an office that Trump (and Mulvaney) have expressed an interest in parking in a ditch. The judge happens to be a Trump appointee, with barely two months on the bench. Go figure.


Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:37 am
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FCC makes attempt to sell net neutrality repeal to Trump voters.


Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:41 am
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new development in the Great American-Russia Scandal. word on the street is there will be testimony against the Trump family. and if Trump is a listed as a co-conspirator, I doubt he will be able to pardon his way out of this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html

also Trump says he fired Flynn because he lied to the FBI. did Trump know Flynn was guilty of lying to the FBI when he asked Comey to ease up? 'cause he sounds really jumpy.


Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:17 am
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How very surprising that the conservative institution which proves to have the closest Russian ties happens to be the NRA.


Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:41 am
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I know some people have speculated that having Pence as president would mean a more Koch-friendly administration but we're probably already there so whatever. not that Trump's "man of the people" image was anything more than an image.


Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am
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Are there any lawyers on the forum? This isn't about Taylor Swift.

I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not entirely sure how appropriate my laughter is to the novel new legal strategy laid out over the weekend by Trump's lawyers, which amounts to claiming that the president has obstruction immunity and that foreign collusion happens to be perfectly legal after all. I would like to have the confidence that these are the utterances of a desperate defense facing imminent indictments, but I don't want to wake up and find out something taken for granted wasn't actually a real law, like not disclosing your tax returns or bypassing anti-nepotism laws by forfeiting a salary and only taking foreign kickbacks instead.

I can see Jaw Secular pulling a Kelly and trying to edit Wikipedia on the sly to try to make his case.


Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:21 am
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Jinnistan wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not entirely sure how appropriate my laughter is to the novel new legal strategy laid out over the weekend by Trump's lawyers, which amounts to claiming that the president has obstruction immunity and that foreign collusion happens to be perfectly legal after all. I would like to have the confidence that these are the utterances of a desperate defense facing imminent indictments, but I don't want to wake up and find out something taken for granted wasn't actually a real law, like not disclosing your tax returns or bypassing anti-nepotism laws by forfeiting a salary and only taking foreign kickbacks instead.


that was sorta my reaction.... I might just be waiting to see if that defense works if/when any criminal charges worthy of indictment get brought up. and then what if it does? surely the political blowback would have to be immeasurable, right? I'm afraid reading some of this stuff just paralyzes me since I'm not sure what I can do. I am dearly sorry for not listening to the libertarians warning us about the executive branch's lack of accountability.


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that was sorta my reaction.... I might just be waiting to see if that defense works if/when any criminal charges worthy of indictment get brought up. and then what if it does? surely the political blowback would have to be immeasurable, right?

The tricky part of this legal "so what?" tactic is that it implies that they committed these acts. You can't reasonable shift from a defense of "I didn't do it" to "I didn't intend to do it if what I did even qualifies as it" to "I did it, and I intended to do it, but lucky for us it turns out to be perfectly legal". I've heard a similar defense for Flynn, saying that "lying to the FBI is a crime, but he didn't need to lie because what he did wasn't a crime." Yeah, cool, but, hey, think, maybe.....we may not be privy yet to what he really did, so we can assume some kind of self-interested deceit was deemed necessary by this completely innocent man (*cough*).

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I am dearly sorry for not listening to the libertarians warning us about the executive branch's lack of accountability.

Snowden's "turnkey tyranny". Definitely those libs who were always brushing off concerns over Obama's kill-list and publicly opaque drone program need to heed this reckoning, because all of this falling back on "but we can trust him" bs has proven utterly indigestible.


Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:30 am
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Also, I don't think that Al Franken should have resigned. I don't understand the need for it.

I also think John Oliver is a twit.


Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 am
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On a more positive note, Bryan Singer is going away for a long time.


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Also, I don't think that Al Franken should have resigned. I don't understand the need for it.

What's not to understand? Do you really think drawing this conflict out would result in a guaranteed Franken electoral victory in 2018?

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Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:30 pm
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What's not to understand? Do you really think drawing this conflict out would result in a guaranteed Franken electoral victory in 2018?

Out of the recent spate of congressional sexual assault allegations that have resulted in resignations or promises not to run again, I think that Franken's are the least worrisome. I find it odd that more Dems have demanded he step down than have similarly demanded of Conyers, who appears to have pretty clearly used his office female staff for his habitual sexual pleasure. (I don't know where Conyers currently stands, but I believe he's in the 'not running again but staying put' category.)

Franken's crassy cupping aside, his story was used as a fulcrum to leverage the allegations about Roy Moore, ie 'The Dems are hypocrites unless they agree to a tit-for-tat, Franken goes and Moore goes'. So not only do I not believe that Moore will be so impressed at Franken's sacrifice to withdraw himself, and will undoubtedly resist any ethics investigations if he wins office, but I still, ultimately, do not see the equivalance between Frankencreepyhands' shenanigans and Moore's 'I'm the DA so you need to take care of this for me before the mall closes and your mother picks you up'. Franken, as reported so far, has not been shown to have used coercion against children, employees or anyone else with a disporportinate power dynamic, and he hasn't been shown to use the threat of retaliation to intimidate or silence his victims. So I don't buy the symmetry of these two cases as they were presented in new media. I've noticed that many liberal writers are now saying things like, "Franken's gone, as he should be, now let's remove Roy Moore'. I think that this strategy is exceptionally naive. Roy Moore will likely have a lot more power than Al Franken next year.


Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:49 pm
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Also, I don't think that Al Franken should have resigned. I don't understand the need for it.


Yeah, his resignation may do more harm than good.


Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:55 pm
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(I don't know where Conyers currently stands, but I believe he's in the 'not running again but staying put' category.)
Well, he was, but he actually just went ahead and resigned immediately a couple of days ago, so that seat is currently vacant. Conyers is endorsing his son to replace him, but seeing as how he's possibly guilty of domestic abuse himself, that's probably not such a good idea...

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Franken's crassy cupping aside, his story was used as a fulcrum to leverage the allegations about Roy Moore, ie 'The Dems are hypocrites unless they agree to a tit-for-tat, Franken goes and Moore goes'.


and/or greater leverage to hit at Trump for his stuff. provided that will do a damn bit of good and it might not. *shrug*


Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:37 pm
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Well, he was, but he actually just went ahead and resigned immediately a couple of days ago, so that seat is currently vacant.

Ah, OK. But I still have a feeling that Conyers, despite his heartbreakingly consistent record on civil rights, does not have the name recognition of Al Franken, and that Franken is still considered the big game in this process due to his higher profile. In any event, his resignation seems more symbolic than efficacious. I hate to sound partisan (which is totally, like, worse than raping 16 year olds), but I can't help but notice how one party seems more committed to this new era we find ourselves, while another party seems as if they're on the verge of electing a Senator who has most likely raped 16 year olds before citing the goddamn Mother Mary as a rationalization for it (which, in itself, is a kind of ethical rape of my intellect).


Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:22 am
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Ah, OK. But I still have a feeling that Conyers, despite his heartbreakingly consistent record on civil rights, does not have the name recognition of Al Franken, and that Franken is still considered the big game in this process due to his higher profile. In any event, his resignation seems more symbolic than efficacious. I hate to sound partisan (which is totally, like, worse than raping 16 year olds), but I can't help but notice how one party seems more committed to this new era we find ourselves, while another party seems as if they're on the verge of electing a Senator who has most likely raped 16 year olds before citing the goddamn Mother Mary as a rationalization for it (which, in itself, is a kind of ethical rape of my intellect).
Yup; while left-wingers in general are, of course, hardly guilt-free when it comes to committing sexual harassment or assault, in general they seem far more principled when it comes to addressing the predators out there who happen to run in their circles. Meanwhile, Fox "News" spends so much time pointing out the hypocrisy of Hollywood and the Democratic party when it comes to Weinstein or Franken, they barely said a peep about Roger Ailes transgressions, a man who had just a little bit of involvement with that particular channel...

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they barely said a peep about Roger Ailes transgressions, a man who had just a little bit of involvement with that particular channel...

They also didn't seem to have a problem with paying out a 32 million dollar settlement to one of O'Reilly's accusers, before signing O'Reilly to a hefty multimillion dollar deal, and also before trying to act shocked when it learned how much money they were paying out to O'Reilly accusers, etc, etc.


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The "moral values" they always claim to care so much about only matters as far as whether or not you have a "D" or an "R" next to your name, it would seem:


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Jinnistan wrote:
I hate to sound partisan (which is totally, like, worse than raping 16 year olds), but I can't help but notice how one party seems more committed to this new era we find ourselves, while another party seems as if they're on the verge of electing a Senator who has most likely raped 16 year olds before citing the goddamn Mother Mary as a rationalization for it (which, in itself, is a kind of ethical rape of my intellect).


since I know there are many Republicans who like to site the slippery slope argument, maybe tolerating a sexual predator like Trump was not a step in the right direction. as long as they are okay with this new standard towards sexual misconduct letting others feel emboldened to speak publicly about their own abuse/harassment.

(I personally have always been unsure how much weight to put behind Trump/etc's sexual misconduct since it's not technically related to policy or governing and because it's not related to that stuff, his supporters might be able to look past it. I suppose there are many of us who assumed that, "well, if Republicans won't care about all this other shit, surely they'll care if Trump has been grabbing women between the legs 'cause so many of them are sexual puritans, for better or for worse." but I guess that's not the case? I mean as long as he's gonna stick it to the Muslims, immigrants, journalists, elites, Hollywood, welfare scammers, liberals, socialists, globalists, who cares if he touched only a few women only a few times many years ago?)


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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
I personally have always been unsure how much weight to put behind Trump/etc's sexual misconduct since it's not technically related to policy or governing and because it's not related to that stuff, his supporters might be able to look past it.

I think that this behavior is actual reflective of policy more than that. It's not a coincidence that the Republicans are also the party that wants to shut down funding for Planned Parenthood, who have been eager to see DeVos reverse Obama's guidelines on reporting and investigating campus assault, whose reversal of greater scrutiny on law enforcement means avoiding any pesky studies on untested rape kits, etc etc.

More general than this "anti-PC" impulse is that Trump's unapologetic arrogance ("You can do anything" - the most telling part of the Access Hollywood tape) is also reflective of the overall tenor of the party, and their policy aims, at the moment. This kind of Darwinist (fascist) entitlement to power lies behind a great deal of the thinking which justifies the more cruel implications of their tax, health, education and environmental positions. In fact, this power also entitles any Republican to rewrite the reality that stands in the way of their preferences, and Trump's....let's call it a limber outlook on facts....also reflects this ability to dictate what is real and what is not, and, I don't doubt at all, that this brazen "fabulist" is exactly what his more ardent supporters admire about him. He can do anything.

It reminds me of Bill Clinton's book, where he explains his thinking concerning the Lewinsky scandal and his arrogant assault on copulative semantics, and his takeaway, in his mid-50s, is the kindergarten realization that "because I could" was really a piss-poor excuse for doing just about anything. I'm very happy to see him come to this realization after being the most powerful man in the world when such a realization would have been most helpful. As for Trump, we should be most concerned that he hasn't yet had such a realization, may be incapable of such a realization, and whose desperate demand for attention reflects his need to validate this presumed omnipotence. He needs to be a star and he needs to do anything he wants. Just like a man, ladies. A man who knows how to take what he wants. This kind of Randian fantasy is the bread and butter of the current GOP. A man (Ayn never waivered on gender here) should be free to be a man. He tells it like it is.


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