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that's the hope though I still fear that would lose support from the kinds of people who voted for Hillary because they though Bernie Sanders was too radical. (but I wouldn't mind being proved wrong)
Well, in a 2-party dominated system, who do you think the centrist wing of the party would throw their support behind if Bernie was nominated in 2020; Trump? Or, assuming (hopefully) that he isn't in the running again... Mike Pence? Ted Cruz? Paul Ryan? I really wouldn't worry about that happening all that much, Ox...

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Well, in a 2-party dominated system, who do you think the centrist wing of the party would throw their support behind if Bernie was nominated in 2020; Trump? Or, assuming (hopefully) that he isn't in the running again... Mike Pence? Ted Cruz? Paul Ryan? I really wouldn't worry about that happening all that much, Ox...
I would think the bigger concern is that many centrists just wouldn't show up to the voting booth, the same way Hillary lost enough of Obama's base in the wrong places to get fucked over in the Electoral College, and she wasn't even that far from Obama policy-wise. Voter turnout isn't some foregone conclusion in a country where less than 60% of eligible voters participated when Dorito Mussolini was one of the choices.

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Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:04 am
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Well, that was anti-climatic :-/

The memo, if anyone has yet to read it, not only has no effect on the Mueller investigation but also bears very little ground for firing Rod J. Rosenstein even though it looks like Trump is still going to do it cuz. It obviously also has ziltch to say about Don Don's soliciting of "Russia and its government's support" or the long course of obstructing actions that Trump has undertaken since swearing in, so anyone still expecting for this to make Mueller go away are still sweetly delusional.

I'm not a lawyer, btwfwiw, but I still don't quite understand how the disclosure or non-disclosure of the funding for the Steele dossier, even as second-hand as it was through a law firm and FusionGPS, can have a material effect on whether its contents can be used in a warrant, FISA or not. From what I've seen from legal experts, apparently it shouldn't, and from what I can glean from intelligence experts, the "factual omissions" in the memo most likely includes corroborating evidence to support this 'probable cause'. (After all, the Page warrant is supposed to be 40+ pages.)

The bias of Steele is brought up, as he allegedly told a Justice official that he was "desperate" to keep Trump from being elected. What I can't determine is whether or not this is his ingrained bias or whether this desperation is a direct consequence of learning the very things that he wrote in his dossier.

Anyway, the funniest part of the memo is that the reliance on the dossier question is rendered casually moot by pointing out that it was Papadracula's loose lips that provided the necessary rationale to take such surveillance seriously regardless. And speaking of Papalegba, if he was so lucidly conspicuous with a random Aussie diplomat over a cocktail, does anyone think that's it's reasonably likely that he failed to make the exact same boast to other Trump campaign officials during this time? I mean, Junior's mouth seemed pre-watered for that Russian support, like he knew it was out there somehow.


Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:06 am
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Yes, this completes just the FISA abuse portion of our investigation.


This bastard must eat disappointment for breakfast. Now he's promising more "memos" so we can go through all of this again. If Senate Republicans (who also weren't allowed to view the memo before release) have any power whatsoever, someone in the party needs to remove this fat new kid on the block reject out of his seat.


Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:29 am
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I would think the bigger concern is that many centrists just wouldn't show up to the voting booth, the same way Hillary lost enough of Obama's base in the wrong places to get fucked over in the Electoral College, and she wasn't even that far from Obama policy-wise. Voter turnout isn't some foregone conclusion in a country where less than 60% of eligible voters participated when Dorito Mussolini was one of the choices.
Yeah, but what are the alternatives? Go with another "centrist" candidate? Doing that is what got us Dorito Mussolini as President in the first place...

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Off-Trump for a minute: the allegations from Uma Thurman against Weinstein sure do make Tarantino look like even more of a prick. Obviously there's a question of complicity, but the side note about her on-set car accident is super shady. I guess they haven't been very friendly since.

Also, I hope that Rose McGowan gets some help. This isn't gaslighting, and in no way do I mean to question or minimize her abuse. I can recognize that such abuse comes at a certain psychological cost, and it's been evident during her recent book tour. It's like watching a slow-motion tragedy unraveling.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:11 am
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Looks like the same altright pro-DC dipshits are trying to tank the RT audience rating for Black Panther the same way they tanked Last Jedi. It helps that the film also has a lot more black people in it.

Is there even a point anymore in having these anonymous online polls considering what we now know about how easily they can be rigged? Has anyone here ever decided to watch a film because of its audience score, whether RT or IMDb? When was the last youtube video that you felt compelled to watch because, omg, like 5 million views already? Isn't such Pavlovian popular faith the exact opposite of 'woke'?

I hope Red is sleeping well. This can't be a healthy thing to obsess about.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:32 am
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Also, I hope that Rose McGowan gets some help. This isn't gaslighting, and in no way do I mean to question or minimize her abuse. I can recognize that such abuse comes at a certain psychological cost, and it's been evident during her recent book tour. It's like watching a slow-motion tragedy unraveling.


yeah, it can't be easy to be reliving everything in the public's eye (and judgement i.e. Alec Baldwin).


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yeah, it can't be easy to be reliving everything in the public's eye (and judgement i.e. Alec Baldwin).

I haven't seen Baldwin's comments on it.

I'll just be frank about it. She's on drugs, and I'm not being judgmental about that in any moral sense. She's speaking erratically, manically. She's putting a lot of raw vulnerability in the spotlight. And there is a lot of weirdness against her, like that person who attacked something she said once upon a time about trans women, but her reaction to such provocations ends up showing more about her precarious state. Maybe it was a set-up, maybe not. Maybe it's best for her to step back for a bit. I think the combined strains are going to hurt her if she doesn't. I'm not saying, "Man, she's crazy", I genuinely think that she needs support that she doesn't appear to be getting.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:30 am
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he has said that McGowan delayed justice by settling with Weinstein all those years ago. and maybe there is something there but I can't blame McGowan for taking that route instead of prosecuting, given what fresh horrors a public legal battle would involve.

and I get what you're saying about McGowan in general, wanting her to be safe and practicing self-care so she can keep up the good fight.


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and I get what you're saying about McGowan in general, wanting her to be safe and practicing self-care so she can keep up the good fight.

In case you haven't seen it, here's the video that's sparked a lot of it.

The trans protestor is clearly out of line here, devolving into what Chappelle has called the "oppression olympics".

And although my observations of her erratic behavior are from a few different appearances, my concern about this isn't even so much her handling of this situation in the video per se as it has been her handling of it after the fact, virtually accusing everyone in the room of being in on a deliberate Weinstein-initiated attack. She's impulsively canceled the rest of the book tour, or maybe not. It's hard to tell. If the stress is truly causing her to act so erratically, then maybe it's best for her to call it "enough" for now. Her book and doc will still be out there for the cause.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:51 pm
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Yeah, but what are the alternatives? Go with another "centrist" candidate? Doing that is what got us Dorito Mussolini as President in the first place...


I still worry that a candidate with Sanders's policies could be successfully tarred as wanting to turn the US into Venezuela/Cuba/USSR/etc. and I'm still not 100% sure it was Hillary's centrist policies that hurt her the most given all the other stuff that was used to attack her.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:57 pm
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Rose McGowan being an over-melodramatic mess? That's nothing new for actresses. After watching that video I question the fact if she was really raped or not. She seems vindictive and probably prone to lie telling.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:49 pm
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c'mon, dude....


Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:10 pm
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Just giving my opinion.


Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm
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Hmm. I wonder if it's worth clicking to display those lovesexy posts....

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Hmm. I wonder if it's worth clicking to display those lovesexy posts....

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Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:54 pm
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And here comes more Quentin Tarantino stuff

Come on, guy


Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:35 pm
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A little off-topic, but Kill Bill wasn't a "trilogy".

C'mon, Jez.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:52 pm
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A little off-topic, but Kill Bill wasn't a "trilogy".



It will be.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:16 pm
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Just to osmotically point out for anyone yet to read Uma's interview, chances are quite slim that she will be working with QT in the future.


Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:20 pm
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A little off-topic, but Kill Bill wasn't a "trilogy".

C'mon, Jez.
Right, it's only 0.5 movies :shifty:

FWIW


Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:22 pm
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aww Quentin, c'mon dude....

kind of related but The Guardian recently had a pretty good summation of the Polanski stuff for anyone interested. or at least a good explanation as to why there was so much grey area around whether or not to defend him in spite of drugging/raping an underage girl. heck, I might have signed the petition in 2009. but if I did, I hope I would have changed my mind with the new accusations.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/30/hollywood-reverence-child-rapist-roman-polanski-convicted-40-years-on-run


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Uma just posted the footage of the botched car crash-stunt he pressured into performing on Instagram, too: https://www.instagram.com/p/Be0x6OCFRwQ/

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the Rose McGowan stuff has taken a taken a really bad turn.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jill-messicks-family-issues-blistering-statement-harvey-weinstein-rose-mcgowan-1083173

as to whether McGowan is culpable..... that I don't know. I know I'll always see Weinstein's behavior as the original sin


Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:15 pm
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And now, Fergie's saying that Tarantino bit her on set in 2006

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Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:24 pm
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and a reminder of what Trump is up to.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/09/us/politics/trump-blocks-release-of-memo-rebutting-republican-claims.html
https://twitter.com/repadamschiff/status/962140601130110977

it's damn tiring keeping up with this guy, I tell ya


Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm
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This story just refuses to not get worse:


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I feel like a lot of stories are subtle forms of social experiments. We have to choose white dress/blue dress rather than the obvious third option of a shitty color filter on a iphone? People have a lot of surplus time in their offices, I understand.

So, dare I? Anyone? OK. Since leaving office, I'm guessing that Richard Branson has slipped Barack Obama some of his DMT stash.


Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:58 pm
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Meanwhile in non-trending news: Baltimore police carried stashes of toy guns to plant on the innocent unarmed people they shot.

I hope no American flags were harmed in the process.


Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:07 pm
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I've spent a couple of weeks watching Reince Priebus reassert himself into the public eye, but saying very little, looking astonished that anyone would be under the impression that the chief of staff would have the slightest idea about what was going on in the west wing offices. Obviously, he is patient zero in Trump's chaotic circus. I'm not sure what his point was, other than to illustrate how terrible he was at the job he was fired from, but the recent Vanity Fair article puts it into perspective. It's actually a pretty good read, shows that Sessions was closer to leaving than had been previously suggested, and shows that Steve Bannon, for all of his racist craziness, was nevertheless not so crazy as to be unable to intuit how utterly stupid it was to fire the FBI director in the middle of an investigation in which the president was allegedly innocent. Since Kushner is also square center of the security clearance fiasco, it might be time again to ask ourselves exactly how he still has a job.

Of course, the Florida school shooting is what's on everyone's mind. I don't have much to add, other than to say that I would not shed a tear to see the AR-15 fall back under the assault rifle ban that caused so little harm from 1995-2005. And although I refuse to read youtube comments, maybe it's a good idea for the FBI to do so.


Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:14 am
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a leader of a white nationalist group said that the school shooter was a member. unless this is similar to how terrorist groups like to claim responsibility for attacks to spread fear and stuff.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/police-official-no-known-ties-between-suspect-and-white-supremacists/ar-BBJ9Xsr?li=BBnb7Kz


Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:27 am
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more on the Russia thing

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indicted-mueller-election-interference.html

we are all Sylvester Stallone in Rocky IV now (I guess)


Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:51 am
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we are all Sylvester Stallone in Rocky IV now (I guess)

I prefer not to make it into an existentially nationalistic conflict. I think you brought up the phrase "Russophobia" before, and I had a similar comment on that. As you may have observed, there's been a tendency to frame the issue along those lines of a new Cold War mentality. I saw where Jimmy Dore (not exactly a brilliant thinker) claimed that the "collusion conspiracy theory", as he calls it, is basically a modern form of McCarthyism. This is inaccurate in a number of ways, but not least is that no one is calling for anyone that may have socialist sympathies to be black-balled, which is about 80% of what the real McCarthyism amounted to. It also ignores all of the evidence of "Russia and its government's support" of the Trump campaign, all of the campaign figures who can hardly claim to have been unaware of illegal email hacking (at the very least) to damage a political opponent. More importantly is that none of the suspicion of the Trump campaign's collusion is based on a fear or hatred of Russian people or culture. In fact, it is based on the apprehension of Putin, and his state and economic apparatus, and guess what?, Putin isn't actually a communist. He does not care about the proletariat, the worker or public means of production. His state is tightly owned and controlled. His lack of communist ideals is reflected in his refusal to commemorate last year's anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution. (This has more insight on this issue.)

It seems to me that invoking McCarthy is simply a convenient way to reflexively hesitate those liberals who are eager to see Trump impeached, but, when viewed in any kind of substantial perspective, it is a toothless analogy. Similarly, when we criticize Trump - or even the military, law enforcement, Wall Street or any of our other institutions - it does not amount to being "unAmerican", but it is funny how Trump sees such dissent as treason, as if he is the sole embodiment of American virtue. It's because he emulates Putin, who has managed to convince at least a portion of the American Left to define him as some kind of fantastical socialist avatar.


Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:42 am
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yeah I know, I was being a bit wry with that comment.


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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
yeah I know, I was being a bit wry with that comment.

Excuse me. Honestly, seeing the 'McCarthyism' meme in leftist defenses of Putin as of late has made me more eager to take an opportunity to call it out. I know it's not a view that you hold, given that previous discussion on Russphobia.

But, hey, we got a new porn star scandal, so we can always talk about that :shifty:


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s'okay, you're good.

with the Playboy model thing, I wasn't sure if that was of any relevance in that it showed the kind of lengths Trump is/was willing to go to suppress his own transgressions. or a reminder that Trump has a lot of blackmail-worthy stuff in his past.

emphasizing Trump's lechery in an attempt to get his evangelical supporters to abandon him seems like a lost cause though.


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I make these posts a lot but reading Trump's recent tweets about Russia, the school shooting, the news media, etc. once again, I am unsure just how much weight to put behind this stuff, if concentrating on Trump's madness too much distracts from bigger issues, when am I some pointlessly partisan tool always looking for the worst in The Other Side, etc.

I mean this isn't normal, right? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/top-us-officials-tell-the-world-to-ignore-trumps-tweets/2018/02/18/bc605236-14a2-11e8-942d-16a950029788_story.html

I know that when I post things like this, there are plenty of people to reassure me that I'm not crazy but it's not their fault I'm such an easily-triggered lib millennial snowflake.


Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:10 am
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Just curious, Ox, but are you from a conservative family?

I've also heard attempts to compare this anxiety over Trump to Obama's 'Kenyon secret Muslim socialism (and totes gay willing to murder to protect his sin)', as in it is fueled not by reality but by an insatiable need to revel in the absolute worst insinuations brought forth. I don't think the comparion merits scrutiny. In fact, I don't find it coincidental that many in the same right-wing media that are trying to make the comparison were the most guilty for perpetrating Obama's sordid myths. I think psychologists call that projection. Like when Breitbart hashtags "fake news". Haha. It's funny because they care.

The evidence you need is right in that article. The fact is that the rest of the world considers Trump an insane liability, and serious Americans sympathize, and even Trump's own staff have made no secret how they manage the president by avoiding having to upset him with unsettling information.

We elected Eric Cartman. There's no easy partisan precedent for this.


Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:17 am
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I was reading the WaPo fact check of Trump's weekend tweets, when I caught this cute quote from one of the presidential debates, where Chris Wallace asked Trump whether he thinks that Russia hacked the DNC: "I don't know Putin. I have no idea." He might as well have answered with "I wasn't there, I don't know nothing" or "What's a putin?" ("Russia? Is that a salad dressing?")

It also reminds me of after the G20 summit, where Trump met Putin for the first time, and Trump was asked about this meeting to which he responded "Which meeting?"

#totallyinnocent


Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:31 am
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It's like trying to disguise an elephant with Groucho glasses at this point


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Just curious, Ox, but are you from a conservative family?


I have an estranged sister who is firmly on the Trump bandwagon (or at least the anti-liberal wagon). but otherwise no. or at least I don't think so. unless I consider the entire country "my family". Hugh Hewitt is telling me not to get addicted to outrage and it's not like I disagree with that sentiment.

heck my entire state is not exactly deep in Trump Country. just about all of my friends don't like him. I hope I'm not looking for validation, it's just very frustrating to see news like this and wonder why I should have any doubts. and in what way I should react/feel/etc.


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sometimes I recollect the Obama years and the ground-swell of paranoia and hostility from the opposition and in keeping with my mantra of assuming the best of everyone, trying not to regard the Republican Party as wholly in the thrall of reactionaries or bigots or authoritarians. or that "well, those people are not bad they're just confused or their feelings are misplaced because they are distraught about something else." it's not like I loved every single thing about Obama and Hillary and the Democrats either (albeit my criticisms would come from the left) so I'm sure plenty of people are sticking with Trump in spite of the things that drive the rest of us crazy over him. and I know there were/are reactionaries or bigots or authoritarians, but I still want to believe those people were/are more than those labels in spite of how problematic those traits are (and how unequivocal I am about that). but I also know I've made this post before. many many times.

I still believe we can get past Trump but at best I'd still be annoyed we went this direction in the first place. and the rest of the world has to assume that we are capable of electing another Trump-like leader whenever they make plans with us for the future.


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I hope I'm not looking for validation

I don't want to give you a complex about it or anything, but you've wondered aloud before if all of this reaction to Trump is actually warranted or not. I think it is, and I take some comfort with, at least, some Republicans I know who fall more into the sentiment of Corker, Flake, Kasich and McCain, that Trump is extremely reckless in temper and values, does not have the strongest or most honorable character, are disappointed in his tacit condoning of the white nationalists who support him, and are praying daily that the "adults" (Kelly, Mattis, McMaster) can keep him from causing too much long-term damage to the nation and the party. I personally believe that the majority of Republicans fall into this category, even though polls have shown more Republicans supporting Trump than do not. I think, like a lot of things, Republicans can be a bit more candidly apprehensive in private. I don't watch Hewitt, but I wonder if he fits the bill. I know that during the campaign, his support for Trump seemed to swing between tepid and conditional. He seems like the type who harbors some grave concerns, but publicly puts on the party uniform.

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sometimes I recollect the Obama years and the ground-swell of paranoia and hostility from the opposition and in keeping with my mantra of assuming the best of everyone, trying not to regard the Republican Party as wholly in the thrall of reactionaries or bigots or authoritarians.

I just don't think that the comparison stands up to scrutiny. What was the evidence for suspicion that Obama was a secret Muslim, a Kenyon or a socialist? Not to mention the question of why a Muslim or a socialist couldn't be president in the first place. It's just silly. I'm sure there are some on the left who may not have waiting for actual damning evidence to emerge regarding Trump and his campaign and "Russia and its government's support" for him, but that doesn't preclude the fact that such evidence exists and has been publicly known since about March of last year. Add to that the cynically fatuous attempts to derail Mueller of late (Nunes memo, Warner's texts, Obama and Susan Rice wanting to know what's going on, etc) and I don't see how any thinking person can't see that for the sand-in-the-eyes tactic that it is. After awhile, you have to distance yourself from disrespectful actors.

And I also don't believe that all Republicans are so evil and cynical. I could argue that far too many are. I think Ryan's leaked point about "keep it in the family" should be heeded to gauge how much they're willing to absorb to keep their party in power however. And, at this point, there's really no use arguing that the party does have some rather distasteful elements within it, largely concerning racist ideology and resentments. I don't think that honest Republicans can deny this fact anymore, or try to claim it's a liberal smear against working class white people as they did throughout the campaign. It's shown itself, continues to show itself.

Also, I should point out that I'm not the kind of liberal to so blithely brush off concerns about Obama (my criticisms are likely similar to yours) or the Clintons. I was frustrated when so many Dems chose to defend her email server (ostensibly to circumvent National Archiving rules) or the various shady conflicts of interest surrounding the Clinton Foundation. I'm neither surprised nor upset that they're currently under FBI investigation. These hyperpartisan tendencies are prevalent on both sides, and both sides given to some zero-sum logic for survival. But I don't think that this accounts for most, certainly the most substantial, criticisms about Trump, his corruption, his prevarication and deception and pathological megalomania.


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I should still promise not to lose sight of the fact that Trump is not the only problem in the world worth fretting about. lest I get deranged over him.

quick side note: kinda disappointed in Mitt Romney for accepting Trump's endorsement. I didn't forget how slippery he was in 2012; I guess I had hoped that these past few years with Trump really had him as shook as the rest of us.


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and the rest of the world has to assume that we are capable of electing another Trump-like leader whenever they make plans with us for the future.

Yep. One of the worst aspects of the situation.

I had a Jr High teacher tell us (and this is a paraphrase, I don't recall her exact words), "Don't ever believe that there is anything that can't happen here. It can. And you have to be ever vigilant to make sure it doesn't."

I admit, I wasn't quite sure what she meant, but the words and the idea have stuck with me after I grew into understanding of what she meant. She undoubtedly didn't live long enough to see her words come true in such a way.

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If you become rich and powerful, I hope that you will be cream rather than pond scum." --YTMN

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Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:42 am
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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
I should still promise not to lose sight of the fact that Trump is not the only problem in the world worth fretting about.

True, but he touches on so many of the most important issues - climate change, criminal justice, education, income inequality, arms proliferation, corporate/technological hegemony. Trump's administration is on the ugliest side of each of those issues, actively exacerbating the dangers involved.

I think that it's important to recognize that Trump is a symptom, not necessarily a cause, of these problems, and I agree that there could be a reverse cult of personality going on where Trump becomes a convenient surrogate to whip for them. But, frankly, I can't think of very many sociopolitical problems at the moment that are more than one, maybe two degrees separated from Trump's policies.


Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:14 pm
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yeah, that was what I meant, not that Trump doesn't come into play but that many issues didn't begin (or will end) with Trump.

going back, I'm sure I'm just plenty disoriented over how Trump is exploding what I thought I knew about the Republican party and conservative ideology in general, given what some might say is a gulf between Trump and someone like say Mitt Romney or John McCain.

there are those in marginalized groups (non-white, non-Christian, LGBT, immigrant, low-income) that would tell me I should not have been so naive.... and maybe they're right.


Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:09 pm
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The NYT article linked in here is a monster. Over 15% of Twitter accounts, approx. 60 million, are fake, bought and sold for the illusion of influence. So sad.

Going back to this story of Twitter bots, I'm going to relink the original NYT article embedded in the story about Richard Roeper so we can look beyond his dumb ass and get a better picture of what kind of fraudulent hellscape the Twittersphere actually is. If we take that NYT story and combine it with Mueller's 37 page indictment from Friday, then I believe we'll be far more prepared to understand what has been happening in social media, mostly Twitter and Youtube, today. For those unaware, there's been an explosion of support for the conspiracy theory that the Parkland school shooting was staged and that the students who have been speaking out for gun control are crisis actors - or worse, actually deep state agents who may have set up Nicolas Cruz in a sting as a patsy for this excuse to roll back God-given American rights to mow their lawns with semi-automatic gunfire.

Unsurprisingly, the very same bot-networks as outlined by Mueller have been pushing these theories on Twitter, resulting in a rash of overnight account deletions, which have resulted in a conservative backlash by those claiming that this is censorship and even proof of a conspiracy. Among those 'new media' outlets pushing this narrative has been The Gateway Pundit, an alt-right site mostly known for being rabidly pro-Trump during the election, which was rewarding with White House press credentials. I haven't looked, but I assume InfoWars is also on the case. On Youtube, there have been dozens of videos claiming the Parkland 'false flag' conspiracy that have been removed. Many of these videos were the top trending Youtube videos at one point. Some of the videos have been listing the students' home addresses and urging patriotic protestors to show up at their doors. And, of course, as these videos have one-by-one been pulled, it only becomes fuel for the true believers that the conspiracy is all too real and the deep state is desperately trying to silence the truth.

Now Trump, to his somewhat credit, has shown some sympathy for tighter restrictions on the most dangerous weapons - banning bump stocks, raising age requirements, stricter background checks, etc. All well and good. This is in-between trying to blame Obama, the FBI and Jefferson Sessions for all of these problems, which still preserves the deep state conspiracy narrative to some degree. The larger point should be to take into account the level for which these bot nets, actual fake news sites, and planting such fertilized conspiracy seeds have been to Trump's advantage, in the campaign and since, and how it dovetailes with the process of dissemination outlined in Friday's Mueller indictment. These Trump supporters may be "unwitting" (certainly witless), and, who knows, maybe even dumb Don himself, but one would think that there's just as certainly a motive to believe such things before these seeds could ever take root to begin with.


Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:38 am
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