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Interesting economy of detail, rouge. There is a nice tenderness to the lips. What are the overall dimensions?

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Interesting economy of detail, rouge. There is a nice tenderness to the lips. What are the overall dimensions?

Around 9' x 12'

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It reads bigger than that. I mean that in a good way, because I think there is a sense of importance to it.

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I've never posted a piece in progress... I've barely scratched the surface of it all, but I've got enough under my belt that it's starting to feel like one of my paintings. Still a long way to go.
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In case you are wondering... this painting is 5 foot by 5 foot.

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Some stuff from this month.

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What lead/charcoal/pencil weights are you using, neclord? I can't help but feel like you'd greatly elevate your work if you brought in more solid, dark values, you've got a good idea of tone, but it feels 'thin' if that makes sense.

That looks lovely, Hank, I'd be interested in seeing some of the details when you get done with it.


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What lead/charcoal/pencil weights are you using, neclord? I can't help but feel like you'd greatly elevate your work if you brought in more solid, dark values, you've got a good idea of tone, but it feels 'thin' if that makes sense.


It does make sense, a tonal shallowness is something I've noticed about my work but I think I'm just somehow anxious about really diving into dark tones, and I'm trying to be more open to doing so. Judging by how short these pencils are getting, I'm working in the range from 3B to 8B, with 5B being the most abused. I have a tin of charcoal nubs that I should really mess around with more.

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That looks lovely, Hank, I'd be interested in seeing some of the details when you get done with it.

Thanks, I'll be sure to update it. I'm hoping to get it done before June because (while the buyer has no time frame to be finished) I know that they are having a fairly large party then. It'd be nice to have my piece hanging in their main room so that my name could possibly be passed around.

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It does make sense, a tonal shallowness is something I've noticed about my work but I think I'm just somehow anxious about really diving into dark tones, and I'm trying to be more open to doing so. Judging by how short these pencils are getting, I'm working in the range from 3B to 8B, with 5B being the most abused. I have a tin of charcoal nubs that I should really mess around with more.

It's not an uncommon feeling, but forget about caution and just dive right into it, you might ruin a few drawings, but hell, as artists more than half the process is fucking up and then learning what not to do (and sometimes what we can do from mistakes), no?


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In general I agree with Das that some darker values would be an improvement, and I'm no art student/critic. I hope you don't mind my amateur ramblings.

The woman could use some darker values, and at first I thought the proportion was wrong between foot length and forearm length, but I used a piece of paper and decided that they're close enough. The model probably has a very high instep, and it created an adverse optical illusion.

The guitarist seems to have a pleasant, and to my eye, complete range of tonal values. Once again, the proportions seem slightly off, but that could be stylistic as far as I'm concerned. The only thing about that drawing: your technique for representing the neck of the guitar, although clever, keeps drawing my eye. If that is intentional, then fine, but if you want me to focus on anything else, it isn't working for my brain.

The portrait is better the longer I look at it. It could use some darker values, was my first impression, but then I realized that the model is a blond man, and would not have dark shadows if I were to see him in real life, unless he were sharply side-lit. His left eye (the one on my right) looks alive! It's the stria in the iris, I think, because they are missing in the other eye, and it seems less alive. It could also be a lighting effect that you were reproducing, for all I can tell. Also, in real life, people do not have truly symmetrical faces, but my brain wants both his jaws to be the same shape, and they are not.

The sci-fi rendering is really motorcyclists in their helments...but you can tell how my brain first registered it! Interesting typo: "Helments" is how we used to say the word "helmets" when I was a kid here in the Hills of Arkansas; but it is a typo, not a dialectic rendering. This one does need more tonal variance, especially darker shades. It appears to be washed out, leaving me with the notion that it is an unfinished sketch. The front figure's left hand, with the pointing finger, seems about right, if that's any help. Then again, my eye may not be attuned enough to your stylistic intentions.

But each of these becomes technically better the longer I look at it. Truly. I find more and more that you got right. It is not within my capability to even imagine how you would develop the skills to make me see the correct parts first.

I wish I could draw as well as you do, just for a hobby.

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I just started this last night, I plan on developing it a lot more soon.

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I appreciate the ramblings, Gort. Any proportional errors you can blame on my artistic shortcomings. They would probably be clearer had I included my references, for example the pointing hand in the Daft Punk drawing is definitely too small comparing it after the fact. The neck of the guitar in the other drawing is also just me being impatient and going for a visual shorthand.

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I don't know why but I sketch much better with a pen than anything else.

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I don't know why but I sketch much better with a pen than anything else.

Maybe because it doesn't dull? Do you keep your pencils sharpened?

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Maybe because it doesn't dull? Do you keep your pencils sharpened?

It's not line quality, it's just much easier for me to nail perspective and everything when using a pen.

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It's not line quality, it's just much easier for me to nail perspective and everything when using a pen.

Could it be because you can't erase, and, thus, have no second chance at any particular line?

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Could it be because you can't erase, and, thus, have no second chance at any particular line?

I'm not usually in the habit of erasing, but I did experiment a bit and found I kind of over-commit to lines in pencil whereas I'm a lot more fluid and flexible with a pen.

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I'm a big fan of sketching in pen as well. There are a number of factors for me... it doesn't smear over any period of time so I can open up my book to a sketch from last year and it is still intact, I like that it builds a bit of a history to it (meaning I can sketch quickly and layer in refinement with those early layers still factoring into the finish), it is easier to carry a pen in my pocket without stabbing myself, and I'd go as far as to say that I just like the 'feel' of it.

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five minute paintings are fun, and a good way to wear in a canvas, I've found (I like having a TON of paint on a canvas before I work on something, weird, but I like texture, I like underlying color, I like visually chaotic composition.) Plus, it's good for my destructively critical tendencies on my own work.
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Lovely, Das!

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Thanks, Smalley. This thread gets a depressingly low amount of replies.

This is kind of a sketch, more a work in progress. Vector and digital painting, yo.
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More cool work there, too.

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I'm a fan of heightened color in skin. Nice work, Das.

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Thanks Hank, Smalley. I've got bigger plans for it, but thought it'd be worth posting now.


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Update (still not done)
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In case you are wondering... this painting is 5 foot by 5 foot.

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Is it just the photo or has the painting become a lot lighter?

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It's just the light... the new one was taken outside on a bright day. The old was in my basement studio. Neither is a completely accurate representation of the colors used.

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Hank, those are pretty gorgeous.

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Thanks, snapper. And welcome to the forum, by the way.

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It's just the light... the new one was taken outside on a bright day. The old was in my basement studio. Neither is a completely accurate representation of the colors used.

Ha, I was first about to say that I liked the darker version of the sky in the in progress one better than the finished one...

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Ha, I was first about to say that I liked the darker version of the sky in the in progress one better than the finished one...

Yeah, the newest one is a bit garish in how bright it is. Here's a picture hanging in the home of the person who bought it:
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Makes the place look good.

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I'd love opinions on this. (still in progress, mind you.)
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I like the hair.

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Thanks! They are having a HUGE party today... hopefully I can drum up some more business from all the foot traffic.

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I'm torn on that piece right now, Das. I feel like the parts are a little disconnected stylistically. Individually, I enjoy each part... but I am not sold on the whole as of yet. I completely understand that process can solve some of the things I'm thinking of, so take my words with a grain of salt. The expression and use of color are lovely though! Wonderful palette.

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I'm torn on that piece right now, Das. I feel like the parts are a little disconnected stylistically. Individually, I enjoy each part... but I am not sold on the whole as of yet. I completely understand that process can solve some of the things I'm thinking of, so take my words with a grain of salt. The expression and use of color are lovely though! Wonderful palette.

Expound on this? What parts in particular seem disconnected to you?

The lighthouse personally doesn't feel anywhere near complete in the piece to me yet, and I'm not nearly done with her, the hair needs a few more layers of detail, I need to work some more color into the arms and clean up some of the colorful parts of the neck so they're more continuous with the lines of the neck, etc. I'd personally like a bit more uniformity in the style of vector myself - I'm just still working out all the base details before getting into that.


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Expound on this? What parts in particular seem disconnected to you?

The lighthouse personally doesn't feel anywhere near complete in the piece to me yet, and I'm not nearly done with her, the hair needs a few more layers of detail, I need to work some more color into the arms and clean up some of the colorful parts of the neck so they're more continuous with the lines of the neck, etc. I'd personally like a bit more uniformity in the style of vector myself - I'm just still working out all the base details before getting into that.

The style of the lighthouse and her seem a bit at odds to me. With the portrait, I feel like your treading on fine art. The expression, color choices and economy of detail seem spot on to me... I figured you were going to clean up parts of the neck, and that's a good choice in my opinion. The lighthouse is actually wonderfully fun, I think. The simplicity reinforces distance... but the rendering seems to be leaning in a different direction than the portrait because of the flattening and lack of uniformity in the stripes.

I guess I feel that she seems a bit more serious and the lighthouse seems a bit too whimsical to share the same space. As I said, because the piece is in process, you very well may be taking it to a place where this won't be problematic at all. I could see myself really liking it when you are done depending on how it plays out.

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That helps quite a bit on what to do with the lighthouse - thanks for the detailed criticism, Hank.


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Das, I like both the representations as they are, but my eye wants something to stop the design from having such a palpable line between the girl's eye and the cap on the lighthouse. (An imaginary line, of course.) There needs to be a third point (for me) that skews the line, or oblits it altogether. Perhaps a very vague representation of clouds (after all there is no suggestion of a key light in the figure or lighthouse) beyond the lighthouse. Nothing with any color, only a suggestion.

Of course, that's only a suggestion, as well.

Funny that the stylistic differences in detailed finish only serve to force my eye (in a gentle way) to the girl's figure.

And the blobs or actual attempts at shadowy representations of birds circling the lighthouse are a start on creating something beyond a 2-point line, but my eye rejects that as a "solution."

Make any sense at all?

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Interesting points, Gort. They make sense to me... but I find that the darkness in the water at the bottom of the image is enough of a third point for my eye to travel around the image... of course, I am also assuming that more darkness and layering will occur along the bottom edge to fill the space.

The "shadowy representations of birds" that you pointed out had totally been thought of as mere dust on my screen until you pointed them out...haha.

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Doing some new paintings, tried to take some pictures, but the quality is not very good at all.

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Hank, that looks phenomenal in those folks' home. Not to mention their decor is precious, but that's a different matter altogether, :P.

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Texture is so hard to present in a photo... Those seem like interesting exercises, rouge.

And thanks ribbon :heart:

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Beautiful, rouge.

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Figured I'd bump this thread... we can always use a bit of art to spruce up the place.
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I love your style hank, it's dream-like, kinda evokes that strangeness of looking at an old photograph. A combined yearning, a sort of nostalgia, with an unexplained discomfort. So beautiful :)

This is my modernist presentation of my new paintings in my bedroom

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Pretty work, Hank/ROuge!
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