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John Coltrane was one of the most important, influential and controversial jazz players. First an alto saxophonist, he switched to tenor somewhere in the 1940's. He started out as a sideman for various bands. In 1951, he recorded his first solo with Dizzie Gillespie's big band. Around this time, he became addicted to heroin. In 1955 he was hired by Miles Davis, which he played with on such records as 'Round About Midnight and Kind of Blue. After being fired for the second time by Davis, he finally kicked his heroin habit in 1957, which was also the year he worked for Thelonious Monk and launched his solo career as a band leader. Some 30 records later he died in july 1967 of liver cancer.

Wolfy and me, somewhat jazz novices in most respects, are gonna dive head first into his discography and listen to 25 albums of him. We will report our findings on each of those here. First on a weekly basis, but maybe faster in a little while. We will start with his 1957 album Coltrane.

Here's a whiff of what's ahead of us:
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Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:45 am
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Saint John Coltrane!

His second wife was a good musician.


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I've only listened to the Ballads album which is perhaps not typical Coltrane at all. V. interestedly reading and possibly listening as well.

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Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:52 am
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I've only heard A Love Supreme, Giant Steps, My Favorite Things, and a few of his collaborations with other masters before today so I'm excited.


Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:54 am
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I know Blue Train, My Favorite Things and A Love Supreme, plus that song above from the Malcolm X soundtrack.

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Prestige and Blue Note Records
Coltrane (debut solo LP) (1957)
Blue Train (1957)
John Coltrane with The Red Garland Trio (1957)
Soultrane (1958)
Lush Life (1958)

Atlantic Records
Giant Steps (first album entirely of Coltrane compositions) (1960)
Coltrane Jazz (first appearance by McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones) (1961)
My Favorite Things (1961)
Olé Coltrane (features Eric Dolphy, compositions by Coltrane and Tyner) (1961)

Impulse! Records
Africa/Brass (brass arranged by Tyner and Dolphy) (1961)
Live! at the Village Vanguard (features Dolphy, first appearance by Jimmy Garrison) (1962)
Coltrane (first album to solely feature the "classic quartet") (1962)
Duke Ellington & John Coltrane (1963)
Ballads (1963)
John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman (1963)
Impressions (1963)
Live at Birdland (1963)
Crescent (1964)
A Love Supreme (1965)
The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (1965)
Ascension (1965)
New Thing at Newport (live with Archie Shepp) (1965)
Kulu Se Mama (1966)
Meditations (quartet plus Pharoah Sanders and Rashied Ali) (1966)
Live at the Village Vanguard Again! (featuring Alice Coltrane, as well as Sanders and Ali) (1966)
Expression (posthumous and final Coltrane-approved release; one track features Coltrane on flute) (1967)

There's 26 here, from his Wiki page. Which isn't being counted?

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Bestows.


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Prestige and Blue Note Records
Coltrane (debut solo LP) (1957)
Blue Train (1957)
John Coltrane with The Red Garland Trio (1957)
Soultrane (1958)
Lush Life (1958)

Atlantic Records
Giant Steps (first album entirely of Coltrane compositions) (1960)
Coltrane Jazz (first appearance by McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones) (1961)
My Favorite Things (1961)
Olé Coltrane (features Eric Dolphy, compositions by Coltrane and Tyner) (1961)

Impulse! Records
Africa/Brass (brass arranged by Tyner and Dolphy) (1961)
Live! at the Village Vanguard (features Dolphy, first appearance by Jimmy Garrison) (1962)
Coltrane (first album to solely feature the "classic quartet") (1962)
Duke Ellington & John Coltrane (1963)
Ballads (1963)
John Coltrane and Johnny Hartman (1963)
Impressions (1963)
Live at Birdland (1963)
Crescent (1964)
A Love Supreme (1965)
The John Coltrane Quartet Plays (1965)
Ascension (1965)
New Thing at Newport (live with Archie Shepp) (1965)
Kulu Se Mama (1966)
Meditations (quartet plus Pharoah Sanders and Rashied Ali) (1966)
Live at the Village Vanguard Again! (featuring Alice Coltrane, as well as Sanders and Ali) (1966)
Expression (posthumous and final Coltrane-approved release; one track features Coltrane on flute) (1967)

There's 26 here, from his Wiki page. Which isn't being counted?
A bunch actually. You'll see.

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Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:16 am
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So you won't just be doing his leading albums, then? There may be some Davis? Or posthumous collections?

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No Davis. I trusted Allmusic on the selection, had no idea some of those were posthumous since they list everything by recording date on his page.

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Yes! Coltrane is the best, A Love Supreme is the greatest jazz album ever imo. I am very excited to hear the thoughts of someone who hasn't explore his music that much.


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I don't know much about jazz. I did watch most of the PBS documentary series by Ken Burns.

Familiar with names like Bix Beiderbecke, Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, etc. I'll check in sporadically.

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I don't know much about jazz. I did watch most of the PBS documentary series by Ken Burns.

Familiar with names like Bix Beiderbecke, Coltrane, Thelonious Monk, etc. I'll check in sporadically.

I'm not sure Burns & friends like Coltrane beyond the 1950's. Not that it really matters.

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I'm going to listen to this album a second time then do a write-up tonight. I have no idea how to write about jazz. This will be interesting.


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http://www.avclub.com/articles/philadel ... use,57350/

1511 N 33rd street, Wolfy, promise me you'll make a stop sometime during this project.

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I would like to go there. I'd probably get shot but I'd like to. And that's not fair to say that about Philly not caring about landmarks, if it was in Center City everyone would look at it. West Philly is just a dump.


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Hmmm... well I'd turn this thread into a memorial if that happened. Don't worry.

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In West Philadelphia I was born and raised.

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At least West isn't as bad as North Philly.


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So... West is to North as North St. Louis is to East St. Louis?

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Colonel Kurz wrote:
So... West is to North as North St. Louis is to East St. Louis?

I don't know anything about St. Louis.

But Philly has West, South, North, Northeast, Center City and a bunch of other ones without direction names.


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Watching Woody's "Alice" just now convinced me I should probably pay attention to this thread at least a little.

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Prestige- 1957


Coltrane (or Prestige as it's also known) was his debut. I have been reading about hard bop, which I did not know was a style of jazz, but it seems to be music that tries to be more danceable jazz. You can certainly dance to this album. It makes me think of listening to a band in a lounge with smoke in the air and people having a good time. I loved the bass on every track, wasn't flashy or anything just knew what was needed to make the songs work. I was not expecting so much piano and sax interplay, it was a delightful surprise. No doubt that Trane was the master of the sax and was a great band leader to make this effort work so much. A very soothing debut that I could listen to on another hot night.

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Coltrane (1957)

Knowing a few later Coltrane recordings, I didn't expect this one to be so... easy to listen to. I can definitely imagine this in a club type setting where people are dancing or just enjoying a drink, like Wolfy says (regarding hard bop), instead of intensely listening to the music. Yet, when four minutes into the first song Dakai Coltrane tears into his first solo, the sound of his tenor sax is instantly recognizable and frankly, a level above his bandmates in terms of passion and agression that they do not match, at least not in this song. The ballads here, Violets for your Furs and While My Lady Sleeps, remind me of the stuff Coltrane did with Miles Davis 'round this time. Both are beautiful and pleasant and really conjure up that 'city by night' atmosphere. His own compositions, Straight No Chaser and Chronic Blues, are nothing to sneeze at either. The latter especially is a great showcase for the entire band, that finally seems to have caught up with him completely and are now on the exact same page. Which makes sense, I guess, since they're playing his material now. A nice and surprisingly pleasant introduction.

Next up:
Dakar ('57), which now that I know more about that probably should've been done before this one. Oh well... Wolfy, whaddya say, before the end of the week?

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Around the weekend is fine.

If only we were back in the 50's in a nightclub listening.


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I hadn't even heard of Coltrane till I saw The Royal Tenenbaums which in turn made me look up his name.

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I hadn't even heard of Coltrane till I saw The Royal Tenenbaums which in turn made me look up his name.

Have you heard Kind of Blue?


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Kind of Blue is my favorite Col.. heeeeey! :x

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Kind of Blue is my favorite Col.. heeeeey! :x

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Paul Chambers, Trane, Bill Evans, Miles Davis, Cannonball on one record. Good god!


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Wolfy wrote:
Have you heard Kind of Blue?


Don't think I have.

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In the listening-along-with-the-thread department, I'm 1/1. Byam.

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Mod Hip wrote:
Watching Woody's "Alice" just now convinced me I should probably pay attention to this thread at least a little.

That's the only Woody I haven't seen yet. What's the connection?

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Colonel Kurz wrote:
That's the only Woody I haven't seen yet. What's the connection?

Mia Farrow sultrily describing how hearing Coltrane switch to Soprano opened up a whole new world of harmonics for her.

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*looks to see when he changed*

Seems he kept switching between that and tenor sax during and after My Favorite Things.


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Dakar ('57)

This one was actually recorded before our first one, my bad. In fact, at the time of it's released the band was called a 'leaderless' unit, though in recent times that statement has been refuted. Some call it a Coltrane album, but say it's a Pepper Adams record. Arguments can be made for both, I suppose. Even for the leaderless argument, at least in the sense that some of this stuff seems aimless rather than exploratory. There are times Coltrane's style heavily contrasts with the other two saxofonists, yet sometimes he falls in step with the others more. The best example of all of them coming together is Route 4, which is probably the best track of the six, though I do like the title track that opens the album. All in all, his selftitled debut is better and more focused.

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Dakar

I am in full agreement with Kurz reactions. I can't really add much more comments. It was a good effort from the musicians. Nothing really Earth-shattering. I don't know anything about Art Pepper but Trane is still soothing with his sax.

3/5

I hope Blue Train will get Trane back to greatness, which is next for us.


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Blue Train is indeed awesome. Never listened to anything from him before that.

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The opening notes of Blue Train in a documentary is one of the things that got me into jazz, I think.

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Dakar is good, not great. Blue Train is the peak of classic Coltrane and one of the best jazz albums ever imo.


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By the way, my local library has most of his CD's, and I've got a full subscription which means I only pay one fixed amount per year and not have to pay anything per CD, so I've got the next five on CD right now instead of just on MP3. Yay, liner notes!

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Coltrane is the master. I will be reading fervently!


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I remember when jazz was this vague concept to me that I didn't really know, beyond thinking that Sinatra must be in that direction and knowing that the blues and jazz were the roots of all 20th century popular music. Musically, I was only just coming out of a three year period of almost only hip hop. I was in love with this goth girl and wanted some musical connection. She was mostly into Manson and Nine Inch Nails, but all that was way to alien and, well, white, for me to even attempt. Then she mentioned she also loved jazz, and I saw an in. There are various roads of discovery I took, but I'll limit myself to just one here: I found out that the BBC was broadcasting a documentary on jazz (the famed Ken Burns), but I only caught the next to last episode of it. It was a little bit too much for me at the time, I think, and at some point I either went to the bathroom or get something to drink. While away from the television, all of a sudden, I heard this music. It was just a few notes that caught my attention. Low tones, that at the time seemed to herald both ominous tidings and new hope. It sounded epic to me. I missed the caption that said which song it was and wasn't sure about the artist, so the next day, I went to a record store downtown called "The Jazz Store". I asked the guy behind the counter if he'd seen the documentary, but he hadn't. The costumer next to me had. I tried to imitate the sounds that had enraptured me so, and after a few minutes of discussion, the two men decided that I might've been talking about John Coltrane's Blue Train. So I was directed to a set of headphones and a CD was shoved into the player. That was it! That was it! And so, Blue Train became the first jazz record I ever bought.

It wasn't until this week though that I realized that the notes I always associated Coltrane with weren't even played by him. For those epic tones eminated from the trombone of Curtis Fuller. Since the albums release it has often been said that the other players on this album are embarrasing next to Coltrane, but I disagree, I feel especially on the first song they all go great together. The rest of the album is pretty good too. Moment's Notice picks up where the first track left off, albeit a little bit more mellow and then Locomotion does what a locomotive should do. After all that, the lush warmth of the ballad I'm Old Fashioned always surprises me, especially Coltrane himself. Lazy Bird is another great showcase for every band member. Alltogether it's the first great Coltrane record.

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I love that story, Kurz. The things people will do for a bit of romance! In high school, I loved a girl who was a big Beatles fan, so I bought a friend's acoustic guitar for ten dollars (he was a great guitarist and had about eight or ten of them lying around), and spent the next month memorizing the guitar tab to "Blackbird." I could play that song in its entirety before I could strum a G chord, heh. Anyway, I haven't listened to that album in a great long while...I'll see if it's lying around the abode when I get home and, if so, I'll spin it tonight.


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Did that work for the girl? :P Mine turned out to half have a boyfriend, a fact she kept from me a good half year, maintaining that she wasn't interested in a relationship of any kind but wanted to hang it. Haven't seen her in years, but I frequently meet her (long time ex) boyfriend to watch a movie or two. He showed me the merit of horror.

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It did, actually! Well, it wasn't just - "oh hey you can play 'Blackbird,' let's date," but the song definitely charmed her, and we ended up spending more time together and eventually were in a relationship for about a year. It ended tragically, as they so often do, with a broken heart. She was a great girl, though, and that kick-started my guitar playing endeavors, so it was the right move on my part.

Her ex sounds awesome, considering he showed you the merit of horror. Good man, good man.


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Oh, yes.

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Blue Train

I don't have a story like Kurz with this album. I can't believe this came out the same year as his debut. To come from that to a masterpiece in such a short time is insane. And I agree with Kurz's feeling that everyone played well on the record. Coltrane leadership sure brought out the best in everyone involved.

5/5


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Great! :)

Blue Train is all kinds of *superlative*.


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Some more praise of it with all kinds of adjectives!


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