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 Corrie Class Trip #6: Weddings and Babies (1958, Engel) 
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Join me for my second hosting gig of the Corrie Class Trip, with...

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Part of the late-50s wave of American indies that included works by emerging directors John Cassavetes, John Newland and Joseph Strick, Engel's film won the Pasinetti Award at the 1958 Venice Film Festival and tells the story of a New York City couple who have differing ideas on where to take their relationship and whose own drama is intruded upon by those of the boyfriend's septuagenarian mother.

Watch this at some point before the 30th of March when we will all get together and discuss. I want this to be the biggest Class Trip yet, so get the word out and buzz in here if you're interested in signing up.

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Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:19 pm
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I've seen this. So I'll participate.

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Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:23 pm
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I might participate.

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Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:27 pm
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I've seen this. So I'll participate.


This does disqualify you from contention for the next host unfortunately! But weigh in anyway :) Hope I'm making a good choice?

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Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:31 pm
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Yeah.

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Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:06 pm
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This does disqualify you from contention for the next host unfortunately! But weigh in anyway :) Hope I'm making a good choice?

That's alright esp. given how badly I did last time :D And yeah, good choice.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:15 am
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I'm in, even if that's the worst title ever

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:11 am
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I can't stop laughing at that title. Bandy knows what's up!


Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:21 am
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I'm in, even if that's the worst title ever


Hey, he also made a film called Lollipops and Lovers.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:43 am
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I can't stop laughing at that title.



Might watch the film.


Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:39 am
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Everyone should watch it by next weekend. Also, where's Shield? I think she's the only one whose been in for the majority of Class Trips who hasn't hosted one yet. Unless we get tons of new blood this time maybe we should give it to her as courtesy if she watches this one.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:43 am
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shield died

hated that shield anyway

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might participate in this one

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:24 pm
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B-Side wrote:
might participate in this one


I THOUGHT IT DIDN'T INTEREST YOU

how about now:

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Like his two previous films, "The Little Fugitive" and "Lovers and Lollipops," this one is done in a highly distinctive and often impressive off-the-cuff photographic style. It is so seemingly casual and impromptu, so evidently uncontrived, both in story development and in the manner in which the shots are made and arranged, that it might be seriously labeled the "method" way of making a film.

This accounts for some suddenly exquisite and isolatedly eloquent little bits in Mr. Engel's picture, for which we understand he conceived the story and served as producer, director and camera man.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:34 pm
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Hey, he also made a film called Lollipops and Lovers.

At least that one is alliterative.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:46 pm
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apparently the lead actor is a wedding and baby photographer so

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:59 pm
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I mentioned featuring something that interested me before I saw the new choice. This one does interest me, so I'll watch it.

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Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:46 pm
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Godard's letter to Engel: http://www.filmcomment.com/entry/godard ... his-camera


Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:11 am
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Engel should have written back in butchered French

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Don't forget to watch before Saturday!

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Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:52 am
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Someone put it on YouTube or Dropbox so I don't have to spend more KG ratio

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Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:31 pm
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Someone put it on YouTube or Dropbox so I don't have to spend more KG ratio

I echo this sentiment.

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Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:45 pm
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I'm putting it on Dropbox, says it'll take 6 hours but who knows

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Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:09 pm
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I left it running overnight and it still says "19 hours left" so you might want to KG it unless someone else can dropbox it for me?

It's Saturday here but I guess II'll wait until tomorrow to post

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:05 am
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnsyrapgshk7f ... 20Copy.avi

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:29 pm
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snapper wrote:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vnsyrapgshk7f8v/%5B1958%5D%20Morris%20Engel%20-%20Weddings%20and%20Babies%20-%20Copy.avi

Thank you. :heart:

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:51 pm
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Should have been called "Lots of Luck"

I wasn't all that impressed, overall. It worked best when Engel actually directed (what were essentially montage segments) and the actors weren't improvising dramatic dialogue, although the silly birthday party stuff seemed a lot more natural, like that was more scripted and/or reliant on the actors' strengths.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:25 pm
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I enjoyed it but I feel like it was crying out for an extra half-hour. Just a bit more time to let the drama develop and the characters to reveal some layers because as it is I think it speaks as if it had more to say than it does. The women are captivating presences, either when they're acting in Lindfors' case or just being themselves in Barile's. I wish he'd wrung some heftier emotional returns out of Barile's journey to her gravesite.

It looks gorgeous and you can really feel Engel's particular essence du NY, especially in the deep focus scenes at the festival where you can see the Manhattan skyline in the distance. And it is put together in a refreshingly loose style which unfortunately does short circuit a bit when it's made to link together mundane exchange after mundane exchange. I think its biggest crime is that it hasn't given me more to say about it.

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Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:35 pm
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There are definitely moments where it impresses with its imagery, yeah. I don't feel like going through the file to take caps right now, but I'm reminded of several moments where light streams in from the top of the frame and backlights characters.

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So who else did this

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Haha

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Sorry, I was gonna watch this, but the past few days have been rough and I haven't really been in the mood for a movie.

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Sorry, I was gonna watch this, but the past few days have been rough and I haven't really been in the mood for a movie.


Watch it through your tears

Sorry that your days have been shitty

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It's like 78 minutes long.

Movies are escapism membs

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Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:24 pm
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I guess Bandy gets this by default? Or should I wrap the Trip series for lack of interest?

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:35 am
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I'll do it if we know no one else is going to contribute to this one.

People should say something if they're not interested in continuing this, though. It might be pointless if only 2-3 see each film.

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I'm sure charu would have taken part had she not already seen the film, Das had seen last round's film, The Butcher's at boot camp and Shieldmaiden would probably be in but she's been AWOL lately. We might have been unlucky just for the past few rounds, I'm keen to keep this up.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:55 am
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Let's give it a vacation and come back to it in a month or so.

I'll be watching the film today probably.


Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:03 am
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We should continue it, then. Maybe we can get others to join in eventually.

(Or not, since I just saw Das' post)

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I should be watching this today.

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I thought it was okay. The film was mostly at its best when nobody was opening their mouths; chunks of the 'emotional' dialogue were distractingly shoddy. "I feel like I'm crawling..." "What happened to us?" "Don't you love me?" and all that shit about midway through was the particular low point. But then they followed it up with the wandering old-lady montage - social security, praying in the church etc. - which was really good stuff. (Most of the old-lady and festival stuff was good.) Favourite stray observation: "I wonder what Freud would say about all this?" closely followed by this shot:

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That was nice. There was a lot of intentionally Freudian stuff in there (inevitable with mother/marriage), but I don't really have much else to say on it.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:12 pm
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Maybe we can disregard Das and just give the next one to Notes

you're familiar with the rules?

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Maybe we can disregard Das and just give the next one to Notes

you're familiar with the rules?

I'm happy to wait for Das. And not really.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:33 pm
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You pick an interesting-looking film that you haven't seen and that you doubt many if any other Corrie posters have seen, post about it on a Saturday and then we all watch it and discuss it the next Saturday.

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Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:49 pm
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Okay, sounds good.

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I watched it and I can't think of much to say about it. My primary reaction was to find the characters extremely irritating, but I decided that this was intentional since it was amusing enough watching them prattle on about nothing. Until about 50 minutes into the film, that is, when I lost interest.

The inclusion of the mother was an intriguing idea, but it felt as if the film was relying on the mere presence of this element to induce gravitas and forgot to really do anything with it. This is me trying to justify how disengaged I felt by the film's end when I could have just quoted snapper's line concerning "heftier emotional returns" and responded with an "I agree".


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The focus on improvisation held it back quite a bit, really.

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