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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist

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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist
9. Clerks

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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist
9. Clerks
10. Werckmeister Harmonies

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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist
9. Clerks
10. Werckmeister Harmonies
11. Schindler's List

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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist
9. Clerks
10. Werckmeister Harmonies
11. Schindler's List
12. The Turin Horse

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13 Black and White Movies After 1970

1. The Man Who Wasn't There
2. Manhattan
3. Ida
4. Man Bites Dog
5. The Elephant Man
6. Satantango
7. Down By Law
8. The Artist
9. Clerks
10. Werckmeister Harmonies
11. Schindler's List
12. The Turin Horse
13. Pi

13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run

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Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:52 am
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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets


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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto


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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock
9. Che


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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock
9. Che
10. Finding Dory


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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock
9. Che
10. Finding Dory
11. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock
9. Che
10. Finding Dory
11. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation
12. Alien

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13 films where you liked the 1st half better than the 2nd half

1. Logan's Run
2. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
3. The Lobster
4. The Apostle
5. Wall-E
6. Popeye
7. Apocalypto
8. Hancock
9. Che
10. Finding Dory
11. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation
12. Alien
13. Logan Lucky

13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)

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Popcorn Reviews wrote:
13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)



Kill Bill Vol. 1 is a masterwork.


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Kill Bill Vol. 1 is a masterwork.

To you, it is, but not to me.

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[quote="Popcorn Reviews"]13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)

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This is what we need: more threads without pictures.

13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)

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Interestingly, I like movies numbers 1, 2 and 4 in this list. ;) Have them all on Blu-ray, and one in 3D.

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I own all those movies...digitally. :p


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You are so up-to-the-moment, Ace. I'm proud of you!

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)


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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)[/quote]
9. A History of Violence (featuring Ed Harris/William Hurt, directed by Cronenberg)

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)[/quote]
9. A History of Violence (featuring Ed Harris/William Hurt, directed by Cronenberg)
10. The Shining (directed by Stanley Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson)

Probably a controversial opinion.

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees[/b]

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)
9. A History of Violence (featuring Ed Harris/William Hurt, directed by Cronenberg)
10. The Shining (directed by Stanley Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson)
11. Men in Black II (Directed by Barry Sonnefeld, Starrint Will Smith, Tommy Lee Jones, Laura Flynn Boyle)


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10. The Shining (directed by Stanley Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson)

Probably a controversial opinion.

It's your opinion. What's controversial about that?

It took me four attempts to actually watch the film. It's one that doesn't seem all that good until you see the entire thing, I think. It's designed that tightly. At first I couldn't stand the characters or the acting (except for the kid and the old man). But when I watched the entire movie, it all made sense. Or, at least much more sense.

I can easily understand your disappointment. Part of it may be from the simple fact that you and I probably don't think James Cagney was all that good an actor--and Stanley Kubrick did. Learned that from the Blu-ray commentary track.

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It's your opinion. What's controversial about that?

It took me four attempts to actually watch the film. It's one that doesn't seem all that good until you see the entire thing, I think. It's designed that tightly. At first I couldn't stand the characters or the acting (except for the kid and the old man). But when I watched the entire movie, it all made sense. Or, at least much more sense.

I can easily understand your disappointment. Part of it may be from the simple fact that you and I probably don't think James Cagney was all that good an actor--and Stanley Kubrick did. Learned that from the Blu-ray commentary track.

The Shining is widely regarded as a masterpiece, so that's why it's controversial. On a side note, James Cagney didn't star in The Shining. Acting is one of the film's strengths though in my opinion.

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Gort wrote:
It's your opinion. What's controversial about that?

It took me four attempts to actually watch the film. It's one that doesn't seem all that good until you see the entire thing, I think. It's designed that tightly. At first I couldn't stand the characters or the acting (except for the kid and the old man). But when I watched the entire movie, it all made sense. Or, at least much more sense.

I can easily understand your disappointment. Part of it may be from the simple fact that you and I probably don't think James Cagney was all that good an actor--and Stanley Kubrick did. Learned that from the Blu-ray commentary track.
I actually never found The Shining to be that tight an experience, rather, kind of overlong and unfocused (a flaw that Kubrick struggled with more and more later in his career, IMO), but I still enjoy it just for how fundamentally fucked-up and disturbing so much of the imagery and atmosphere in it is.
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The Shining is widely regarded as a masterpiece, so that's why it's controversial. On a side note, James Cagney didn't star in The Shining. Acting is one of the film's strengths though in my opinion.
And, its weaknesses?

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And, its weaknesses?

My issue with it is with Jack's character arc. The second Wendy mentioned how Jack injured their son while he was drunk, my anticipation quickly faded into disappointment, because at that point, I had a feeling where Jack's character was going to head right at the start. As he slowly dwelled into insanity, my prediction seemed more and more accurate. By the end of the film, there was nothing surprising about how he ended up. The changes he underwent were predictable. I wished that his character would have started out softer. I felt like it had numerous scary moments and great acting, but I didn't care for it that much.

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)
9. A History of Violence (featuring Ed Harris/William Hurt, directed by Cronenberg)
10. The Shining (directed by Stanley Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson)
11. Men in Black II (Directed by Barry Sonnefeld, Starrint Will Smith, Tommy Lee Jones, Laura Flynn Boyle)
12. The Life of David Gale (Directed by Alan Parker, starring Kate Winslet, Kevin Spacey, Laura Linney)


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My issue with it is with Jack's character arc. The second Wendy mentioned how Jack injured their son while he was drunk, my anticipation quickly faded into disappointment, because at that point, I had a feeling where Jack's character was going to head right at the start. As he slowly dwelled into insanity, my prediction seemed more and more accurate. By the end of the film, there was nothing surprising about how he ended up. The changes he underwent were predictable. I wished that his character would have started out softer. I felt like it had numerous scary moments and great acting, but I didn't care for it that much.

I'm not so sure that predictability precludes value. Certainly, we can't just value every film by how much it "shocks" us at the end, or with the trajectory of a character arch, for that matter. Further, it would be easy for me to "predict" the ending of many films, especially ones where I'm highly familiar with the director's work, since a general group of themes hovers over just about any great artist. When idiosytriciity is at work, expository thinking is not. Perhaps Kubrick intended for his arch to be mythical, and thus predictable? Perhaps Kubrick is so good at storytelling that it's easy for his audience to anticipate what comes next? Or, maybe he is just a hack?


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I'm not so sure that predictability precludes value. Certainly, we can't just value every film by how much it "shocks" us at the end, or with the trajectory of a character arch, for that matter. Further, it would be easy for me to "predict" the ending of many films, especially ones where I'm highly familiar with the director's work, since a general group of themes hovers over just about any great artist. When idiosytriciity is at work, expository thinking is not. Perhaps Kubrick intended for his arch to be mythical, and thus predictable? Perhaps Kubrick is so good at storytelling that it's easy for his audience to anticipate what comes next? Or, maybe he is just a hack?

Kubrick is definitely not a hack. I've loved most of his films. As for Jack's character arc, however, I still think it doesn't work. Movies don't need to be shocking to be good. However, characters arcs shouldn't leave glaring hints near the start as to how that character is going to end up, because for me, that makes movies much less interesting as opposed to character arcs I don't predict. Of course, every director has a set of themes you can expect to find. For instance, if I watch a Lynch film, I can expect it to be absurd. If I watch a Tarkovsky film, I can expect it to have a grand story. I could argue that there's some level of predictability in their work. However, there are still numerous things that I wouldn't be able to predict such as the specific absurd scenes Lynch would put into one of his films or the grand story Tarkovsky decides to write. Because of that, I wouldn't say those director's suffer from predictability. As for predictable character arcs, however, there's nothing I find surprising about them as they diminish a movie's impact for me. Finally, a mythical character arc doesn't have to be predictable. If Kubrick removed Wendy's monologue near the beginning, the mythical aspect of Jack's arc wouldn't be lessened in any way.

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13 Disappointing Movies With Impressive Pedigrees

1. The Last Action Hero (written by Shane Black, directed by John McTiernan, starring Schwarzenegger)
2. Kill Bill Vol. 1 (directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman and David Carradine)
3. Suicide Squad (big, impressive ensemble cast, directed by superhero movie newbie David Ayer)
4. Jurassic World (directed by Colin Trevorrow, starring Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard)
5. Sunshine (directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, starring Cillian Murphy, Chris Evans, Rose Byrne, Michelle Yeoh, Cliff Curtis, Troy Garity, Hiroyuki Sanada, Benedict Wong, and Chipo Chung)
6. The Help (directed by Tate Taylor, starring Emma Stone, Viola Davis, Bryce Dallas Howard, Octavia Spencer, and Jessica Chastain)
7. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger tides (directed by Rob Marshall, starring Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Penelope Cruz, and Ian McShane)
8. The Elephant Man (directed by David Lynch, starring Anthony Hopkins and John Hurt)
9. A History of Violence (featuring Ed Harris/William Hurt, directed by Cronenberg)
10. The Shining (directed by Stanley Kubrick, starring Jack Nicholson)
11. Men in Black II (Directed by Barry Sonnefeld, Starrint Will Smith, Tommy Lee Jones, Laura Flynn Boyle)
12. The Life of David Gale (Directed by Alan Parker, starring Kate Winslet, Kevin Spacey, Laura Linney)
13. La La Land (directed by Damien Chazelle, starring Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone)

13 films with a shocking scene

1. Misery (hobbling)

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As for predictable character arcs, however, there's nothing I find surprising about them as they diminish a movie's impact for me.

Yes, I understand that they diminish the impact of the film for you. However, that says nothing to the value of the film as a whole. Films are fluid objects, and neither the means nor the ends are the total value of the film. What you are stating is that a particular mean is leading to a particular end. What of the rest of the film?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the matter, however... who cares? If idiosyncrasy is all you have to offer a film (perhaps even a bad one!) then all you're doing is watching a projection of yourself on the screen--not cinema. Of course, it's really good to know your biases in relation to film, and that is simply what you're saying. A critical reading of yourself is a proper first step, but it's not the last. Knowing where we stand, understanding why we stand there, and putting those reasons aside is looking at an object a bit more clearly.


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Yes, I understand that they diminish the impact of the film for you. However, that says nothing to the value of the film as a whole. Films are fluid objects, and neither the means nor the ends are the total value of the film. What you are stating is that a particular mean is leading to a particular end. What of the rest of the film?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the matter, however... who cares? If idiosyncrasy is all you have to offer a film (perhaps even a bad one!) then all you're doing is watching a projection of yourself on the screen--not cinema. Of course, it's really good to know your biases in relation to film, and that is simply what you're saying. A critical reading of yourself is a proper first step, but it's not the last. Knowing where we stand, understanding why we stand there, and putting those reasons aside is looking at an object a bit more clearly.

I'm not completely sure what you're getting at. However, if you're asking what I thought of the rest of the film, I thought it was average. Despite the character arc, there were a number of things I liked about it such as the claustrophobic atmosphere, many of the scary moments, and Nicholson's acting (I'm pretty sure I mentioned that here a few posts up). In relation to this film, I know where I stand, why I stand there, and I'm able to put my criticisms aside to look at the film clearer.

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On a side note, James Cagney didn't star in The Shining. Acting is one of the film's strengths though in my opinion.

An anecdote from the commentary: Someone, a movie critic I think, who was on the set told Kubrick that he didn't like Jack Nicholson's overacting. Kubrick asked him to name some actors who he thought were good actors. He did. When he got finished with his list, Kubrick said to him, "You didn't name James Cagney." And the man telling the story said, "I don't think Cagney is a good actor." Kubrick looked him in the eye and said, "I do."

That's the story I would have written out if I didn't think you already knew it. Sorry for assuming that you had run across it.

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if you're asking what I thought of the rest of the film, I thought it was average.

And Stephen King thought it sucked pond water!

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As for predictable character arcs, however, there's nothing I find surprising about them as they diminish a movie's impact for me.

And have I asked you yet what you think of Alfred Hitchcock's films? He traded in suspense, not surprise. Do you like his works? Any of them? Some? None?

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And have I asked you yet what you think of Alfred Hitchcock's films? He traded in suspense, not surprise. Do you like his works? Any of them? Some? None?

Of his films I've seen, I've liked all of them to varying levels, Vertigo being my favorite. I have yet to dislike a film from him.

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And Stephen King thought it sucked pond water!
It's true, for similar reasons to Popcorn's, according to Wiki: "King also viewed the casting of Nicholson as a mistake, arguing it would result in a rapid realization among audiences that Jack would ultimately go mad, due to Nicholson's famous identification with the character of McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975). King had suggested that a more “everyman”-like actor such as Jon Voight, Christopher Reeve, or Michael Moriarty play the role, so that Jack's subsequent descent into madness would be more unnerving."

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It's true, for similar reasons to Popcorn's, according to Wiki: "King also viewed the casting of Nicholson as a mistake, arguing it would result in a rapid realization among audiences that Jack would ultimately go mad, due to Nicholson's famous identification with the character of McMurphy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975). King had suggested that a more “everyman”-like actor such as Jon Voight, Christopher Reeve, or Michael Moriarty play the role, so that Jack's subsequent descent into madness would be more unnerving."

I get his criticisms and they are valid since it was an adaptation of his work. I think Kubrick's vision managed to be a completely better version than what King could have imagined. It's horror without all the cheap effects and tricks that plagues modern horror.


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I get his criticisms and they are valid since it was an adaptation of his work. I think Kubrick's vision managed to be a completely better version than what King could have imagined. It's horror without all the cheap effects and tricks that plagues modern horror.
For what it's worth, I prefer the movie to the book; King's critiques of Kubrick's adaptation ARE legitimate, but the film still had this creeping, deeply unnerving atmosphere onscreen that I just didn't get from the book. Either version was still good, though.

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