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 Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #1: La maternelle (Sat 8/12) 
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Corrie Class Trip is a project where we rotate the selection of a title for group watches on an appointed day/date to then discuss [previous iterations linked below]. We welcome all to participate and share their thoughts and feelings! The inaugural viewing for Round 3 is scheduled for Saturday August 12th. Please post about the film itself and your experience with it in this thread, and any off-topic posts about the series itself in the Class Trip Discussion Thread.

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Saturday, August 12th 2017


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La Maternelle AKA Children of Montmartre (Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein, 1933)





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Educated young Rose (Madeleine Renaud) finds herself in a tough position when her father files for bankruptcy. She takes a job as a maid at a center for children, most of whom come from tragic circumstances. Sensitive and kind, Rose is quickly a favorite, especially with young Marie (Paulette Elambert), whose prostitute mother has all but abandoned her. Discovering Rose is overqualified, the school head insists she give up her job, to the dismay of Dr. Libois (Henri Debain) and the children.


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Benoît-Lévy and Epstein's films also depart from typical Poetic Realist films in their treatment of social issues. As film scholar Ginette Vincendeau says in her obituary for Epstein, La Maternelle offers a "useful corrective" to Jean Vigo's Zéro de conduite.[3] Whereas Vigo's film portrays the French education system as cruel and ineffectual, La Maternelle depicts "school as an instrument of social liberation rather than repression."[3] Vincendeau and Gwendolyn Audrey Foster also note that Benoît-Lévy and Epstein's films place particular importance on the challenges confronting women and feature a number of strong female characters, both unusual in French films of the period


Past Trips, Sophomore Year:

#1 - The Worthless (1982, Mika Kaurismäki, Finland) | snapper
#2 - Shopping for Fangs (1997, Quentin Lee and Justin Lin, USA) | takeshi
#3 - The Heart of the Wise Lives in the House of Sorrow (2009, Marin Malešević, Serbia) | Shieldmaiden
#4 - The Forbidden Quest (1993, Peter Delpeut, Netherlands) | kopello
#5 - São Bernardo (1972, Leon Hirszman, Brazil) | Bandy Greensacks
#6 - Evdokia (1971, Alexis Damianos, Greece) | Epistemophobia
#7 - The Ball at the Anjō House (1947, Kōzaburō Yoshimura, Japan) | snapper
#8 - Sérail (1976, Eduardo de Gregorio, France) | takeshi
#9 - Passport for a Corpse (1962, Mario Gariazzo, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#10 - Aksuat (1997, Serik Aprimov, Kazakhstan) | Shieldmaiden
#11 - Dangerously Excited (2011, Koo, South Korea) | wigwam
#12 - Himala (1982, Ishmael Bernal, Philippines) | snapper

Past Trips, Freshman Year:

#1 - Distant Journey (1949, Alfréd Radok, Czechoslovakia) | snapper
#2 - Nanami: The Inferno of First Love (1968, Susumu Hani, Japan) | Das
#3 - The Policewoman (2003, Joaquim Sapinho, Portugal) | charulata
#4 - Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (1989, Vitali Kanevsky, USSR) | Bandy Greensacks
#5 - The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974, Francesco Barilli, Italy) | Trip
#6 - Weddings and Babies (1958, Morris Engel, USA) | snapper
#7 - The Man with Three Coffins (1987, Lee Jang-ho, South Korea) | Notes from Underground
#8 - Malina (1991, Werner Schroeter, Germany) | Shieldmaiden
#9 - Bad Luck (1960, Andrzej Munk, Poland) | B-Side
#10 - The Girl with the Suitcase (1961, Valerio Zurlini, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#11 - The Engagement of Anna (1972, Pantelis Voulgaris, Greece) | BandyGreensacks
#12 - Our Neighbor, Miss Yae (1934. Yasujirō Shimazu, Japan) | snapper[/quote]


Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:02 pm
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Yee, looking forward to getting these back on the road.

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Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:09 pm
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Won't be able to see this by this weekend so count me out from doing Round 2 unless no one else wants to, but I will watch it within the next week and report back here

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Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
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Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:55 am
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Post Re: Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #1: La maternelle (Sat 8/12)

ok cool thx for the heads up! might just be me and Oxnard then but thats ok

anyone needing the movie PM me

sincerestly your bestest pal,
wig


Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:18 am
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I liked it

The teacher's story kept losing me but the main little girl's performance was incredible I thought, very evocative and heartbreaking. Same for some of the other kids, and I usually dont like kids in movies (or elsewhere?)

Also there was a lot of cool edits and purely filmic qualities that were probably the film's greatest strength. Long passages played out as they would in a silent film and just kinda effortlessly drew me in, whereas the dialogue parts around character and plot were pretty stilted

Anyone else see it yet? What did you think?

PM me if you want a copy


Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:16 pm
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yeah I agree about the little girl's story and maybe it would have been a stronger movie had it centered on her from the get-go. I'm not opposed to any inspirational teacher stories but the maid character was too saintly to be all that interesting (even if she wasn't Bing Crosby in The Bells of St. Mary's level saintly). like, that was one huge cut from the opening sequence to the scene where she has already lost her fiance. I was sorta hoping her character would have been illuminated in her interactions with the kids a bit more. especially when you're dealing with someone who lets a man embrace her to prevent further child abuse.

it's too short to overstay any welcome so I remained charmed. but I still wondered if it couldn't have benefited from either a longer running time or a more centered story e.g. have it just be about that little girl.


Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:41 pm
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I agree, the little girl would've made a better lead character. I mean, look at her eyes!

I liked it. The more standard issue material between the adults felt a bit dull, to be honest, but whenever the movie focuses on the kids it just finds a lovely way to portray these characters and their (limited) world. These children are shown as genuine (and fragile) human beings, not just a cheap trick to make your audience care.

There are several great scenes, but one that stood out to me specifically, is the moment Rose learns one of the children how to smile. Something about that just felt so, i don't know, gentle.


Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:43 am
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yeah I loved the smiling scene too!

good pt abt her saintliness maybe that was why her character felt so sorta shapeless to me


Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:36 am
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yeah score is still Zero for Conduct > La maternelle

but! I'm always glad to see stuff outside of the usual canon.


Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:06 am
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tbh samesies my dude :up:

anyone else watch it? or want to? PM me


Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:52 am
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I saw it. Quite good. Incredibly alive and real in parts (those that seemed still stuck in the silent era), and great kids as far as kids in movies go


Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:30 pm
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Sorry I haven't made this yet. I'll watch it today and report back!

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Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
Edward Hopper / Peck
Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:27 am
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wig you don't still have this hosted do you? I'd snatched the smaller KG rip which is a bad taped-tv transfer and has a massive juddering problem

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* Birth Certificate / Różewicz
Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
Edward Hopper / Peck
Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
* Chickens / Amiralay


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Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:20 pm
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Nevermind, I suffered through the rip - but loved this, honestly. It's got that trademark impressionistic, loose style of the embryonic poetic realist movement, with a lot in common to Epstein's brother, Grémillon, Vigo, Kirsanoff and early Renoir, including some flashes of invigorating montage that give it structural sophistication and dynamism and keep it from feeling too homespun or saccharine. I appreciated the child-friendly storytelling - it's a film that could be enjoyed by the same kids it's about - and the naturalistic, location-based shooting style that owes as much to the filmmakers I mentioned earlier as to the basic logistic and creative challenges of working with so many very young children. There's a proto-feminist thread here that I wish had been given more weight - there were some blatant visual associations comparing the fiancé who abandoned Rose at the film's outset and Dr Libois after his marriage proposal, though of course in the end the latter is redeemed and, presumably, Rose leaves the kindergarten for life as a homemaker (hopefully with Marie if so?). I wish the film were clearer on this front as to leave that story thread without real closure seems almost like a betrayal of its ideals - I can sense Marie Epstein gunning for a more unequivocally feminist conclusion, but I wonder what the reasons for leaving the story as it was were. That being said, there's a lot to love here, it's moving and easy to watch, and there's even a rudimentary class analysis here, using Rose as a symbolic bridge between classes (witness how she pulls others, like Libois and Paulin, into her sphere of class-blindness) and a figure of reform, especially in its refreshingly issue-focused lens on early childcare and education, in which the film advocates for a move towards less rigid, more individual-focused learning. Madeleine Renaud is the perfect actor for this part, simply but powerfully expressive with a beautiful, wide-open face and a clear way with the child actors, who are very good - especially Paulette Elambert who played Marie. I also enjoyed Mady Berry's contribution as the jovial fellow maid. Liked it a lot.

I didn't mind Rose's saintliness so much - she's definitely a tropey figure, especially for this era, but Renaud gives her an unforced humanity and I think her weakness for kindness and loving attention is rendered subtly - from the ellipsis between her fiancé's proposal and her job interview, to the way she clings to Marie as if for support and the way she forgets about Marie other than to defer authority to Mme Paulin as she leaves the school to hang with Libois after he courts her. I think it gives a sense of the flaws and insecurities that shape, for better and for worse respectively, her relationships with the children and with the romantic interests - you leave feeling that there's something more valid to Marie's concerns than pure childish jealousy or fear of abandonment. But at the same time it does give Rose a sense of innate decency that gives you hope that she can work through this for the sake of the kid/s in her care.

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Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
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Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
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Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:03 pm
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yeah I feel too bad it never grabbed a hold of me but you're right about it not being too saccharine, which I definitely appreciated. especially with an ending that was more "a hope for something better" than "everything is okay!".

also I remember feeling the whiplash when it went from the fiance scene to the interview scene; I don't know if I had assumed some missing information from that time would be revealed down the line but you're probably right that it was meant to sandwich two big scenes of her reaching out for some kind of human connection. I just rewatched the beginning and noticed that one scene ends with her fiance's hand on hers while the second begins with one of her own hands stroking the other. which ought to have said it all without some big speech about her "motivation for seeking this job because etc etc etc".

and since you brought it up, what would suggest as a good start for anyone who hasn't seen any of Jean Epstein or Jean Gremillon's work?


Wed Aug 23, 2017 5:09 pm
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I took the second image as one of her sliding her ring off. The scene with her fiance's hands on hers is mirrored later with a shot of Libois' hands on hers, which is why I was surprised that the film betrayed the connotations of that shot by ending their story on a 'hopeful' note (if you take her leaving the job she loves to be a housewife to be a hopeful thing).

Epstein's Coeur fidèle is a classic, I'm mixed on Grémillon but I really like La petite Lise.

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* Birth Certificate / Różewicz
Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
Edward Hopper / Peck
Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
* Chickens / Amiralay


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Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:40 am
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snapper wrote:
I took the second image as one of her sliding her ring off.


a-whoops. to be fair, the picture quality wasn't super.


Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:14 am
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Ox, do you want to do the next round? Just pick a film that you doubt most of us have seen (pref. from a director whose work you doubt we're familiar with), etc etc.

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* Birth Certificate / Różewicz
Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
Edward Hopper / Peck
Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
* Chickens / Amiralay


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Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:29 am
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I mean I can, but it's gonna be really, really, really, really mainstream compared to the stuff from the last class trips. and I'll probably need someone else to find a copy online.

or I can always find something that I also haven't seen but again I'll need you guys to find it online for me.

like, I recently saw Lubitsch's Cluny Brown on TV but I'm sure you are all very familiar with him.


Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:54 am
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I don't have any KG bonus at the moment - if it's something Asian I can check Avistaz because my ratio is fine there (thank god you can pay for ratio lol). Chuck some ideas out and we can see what we can get together. With luck it'll be something I have on my hard drive already. 'Mainstream' isn't an issue, corrierinos are probably less likely to have seen mainstream stuff haha (except for Lubitsch, yeah we're all familiar haha). The goal is for everyone, including you, to see it for the first time together essentially so think of something you haven't seen that you'd like to.

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Latest notable first-time viewings:

* Birth Certificate / Różewicz
Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston
The Love Witch / Biller
Edward Hopper / Peck
Les signes / Green
Time and Tide / Hutton
* Ordinary Matter / Frampton
Vertical Features Remake / Greenaway
* Chickens / Amiralay


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Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:08 am
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alright, lemme PM you later


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