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Since we were on the subject, I wrote up The Nun in my "Pre-Horrorthon" thread, fwiw.


Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:39 am
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Reposting this from the Recently Seen thread. I got one other viewing and it's a horror movie as well (Peter Strickland's In Fabric) so I'll probably chime in with thoughts about that tomorrow.



Emma Tammi's The Wind will probably be marketed as "Meek's Cutoff meets Rosemary's Baby" (the director owned up to these influences during the Q&A), but the success of the movie is how hard it leans into the first half of that comparison. The movie goes to painstaking lengths to evoke the toil and mundanity of frontier life, so that when the horror elements emerge, they unsettle through how they disrupt those pre-established rhythms and not just as mere jump scares. (There's a fairly disturbing opening, but it felt almost halfway into the movie when we get our first real scare.) I saw this on a screen normally used for IMAX viewings, and that really emphasized the vastness of the frontier environment and the isolation of the protagonists. This was part of the Midnight Madness program which tends to feature showier stuff, but this movie is underplayed and confidently directed and all the better for it (surprisingly, this is the director's first narrative feature). I'm not sure the movie sticks the landing (the ending is one big explanatory dump), but if you're able to look past that, the creeping dread of the rest of the movie makes it well worth a watch.

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Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:26 pm
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(Also reposted from the Recently Seen thread.)

So...Peter Strickland still can't do a proper a three act structure for shit, but almost finds a way around it with In Fabric, which is split roughly into two segments (the first one longer than the second) and an apocalyptic ending it stumbles into sideways, but feels somewhat like a condensed sitcom season. It's a horror comedy about a sinister, possibly deadly dress, and works in part as consumerist satire, with montages that feel like avant garde parodies of commercials and Fatma Mohamed's excessively florid dialogue working as a joke on pushy salespeople. (She's the best part of the movie - I read a critic describe her performance as similar to a Simpsons guest appearance, which is a good description.) But there's stuff like a comically bad date, over-the-top workplace performance reviews, graphically sexual artwork, hypnotic descriptions of washing machine repairs and basically anything else incidental to the premise that Strickland can milk for laughs by channeling what's essentially sitcom material through an exacting giallo-influenced style. In that sense, it reminded me of Steven Soderbergh's Schizopolis, a comedy with satirical ideas governed more by an overarching sensibility than a coherent point. (This is significantly less anarchic, however.) I heard one critic accuse it of misogyny, which I don't think is fair (the most empathetic character is female and the movie takes shots at plenty of men as well), but unlike Berberian Sound Studio and The Duke of Burgundy we're not asked to really invest in the fates of the characters. Yet through this detachment and the corresponding looser structure, the movie feels much more cohesive than Strickland's previous films. Where Berberian Sound Studio ended by pulling out a rug you only had one foot on and The Duke of Burgundy montaged its way through a crucial emotional arc, the inane squabble that sets off the ending feels consistent with the hijinks that came before and results in an ending that's probably as close as Strickland has gotten to sticking the landing.

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So...Peter Strickland still can't do a proper a three act structure for shit


I don't know if what Strickland was ever going for in BSS was a conventional 3 act structure, but what I'll definitely never understand is how it's not a film that ends almost perfectly for the world and tone it creates.

I can't remember how Burgundy ended, but I don't remember any issues with it either. I only saw that once a number of years ago, though, so maybe I just am struggling to recall criticisms.


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Who needs three acts when you have Peter Strickland?

I had no idea he made a new movie. First thing I watch when I find how to get my hands on it. The guy is so good at atmosphere.

I have no idea what the exact point of BSS was about or what the Moths meant in Duke, but everything goes so well together.


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To be perfectly honest, I'm not super interested in plot usually and Strickland is strong enough formally to make his movies worthwhile regardless of any plot deficiencies. However, I do think with Berberian and Duke he's working with fairly traditional structures (and indeed, one of the reasons I like him is that his reworkings of giallo and avant garde style work within a narrative context to generate actual tension, humour or eroticism, rather than just being exercises in style), and the particular gaps of those movies leave them feeling incomplete. I don't know if Berberian could have ended satisfyingly with anything other than a dive off the deep end, but I needed the movie to actually climb up to the diving board and take the plunge, when I feel it just gets knocked over the edge of the pool. Duke is a bit more fleshed out, but my problem with the montage is that after doing all the legwork of establishing the dynamics of that relationship and the factors leading to the conflict, it rushes over all that's involved in the reconciliation and arrives neatly at the happy ending. In Fabric is actually probably less rigid overall, but the steps it takes to its conclusion feel like a continuation of the path taken by the movie previously.

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I don't know if what Strickland was ever going for in BSS was a conventional 3 act structure, but what I'll definitely never understand is how it's not a film that ends almost perfectly for the world and tone it creates.

I can't remember how Burgundy ended, but I don't remember any issues with it either. I only saw that once a number of years ago, though, so maybe I just am struggling to recall criticisms.

I actually did think BSS ended well, but unfortunately, for me, it was also just kind of merciful.
Part of this was due to expectations, in the sense that I actually thought I was going to watch some sort of horror movie, but then also brought in the crazy expectation that I was going to watch a movie that had any story at all. Any.
And if you go in with that expectation, you're really going to struggle with Berberian Sound Studio.


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So I saw Mandy the other day and, ummm, well, it was a thing. A weird, acid trip, color saturated, slow-burn, gory revenge thing. I'm not currently sure if I'd say I like it, though I certainly don't regret watching it. Saw it with a group of people which was good for weird side commentary on what was going on but not always for actually hearing all of the dialogue so I'm going to need to rewatch it at some point to try and process it fully.


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How does it compare to Beyond the Black Rainbow? I enjoyed that one at a distance on the strength of its visuals, but didn't feel it really built any momentum.

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Touch of Death is...not bad. Late period Fulci probably requires lowered expectations, and the kill scenes (which also appear in Cat in the Brain), while definitely as gory as his earlier stuff, is shot and staged less elegantly. But there's a pretty good black comic streak that makes the movie quite a bit more enjoyable. It's about a serial killer who seduces and kills rich widows to try to pay his gambling debts, and a lot of the humour is at the expense of his victims, which might be a bit mean-spirited for some people, but periodically it works as a lower rent mixture of A New Leaf and Frenzy, like in the scene where he's trying to poison someone who simply won't drink it or when he's struggling to fit a corpse in his trunk because of rigor mortis. Probably not for all tastes, but this was quite a bit better than I expected.

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Finally finished Deep Red last night. It was something.

So a British piano composer (David Hemmings) is the only witness to see a murderer leave an apartment building where a Hungarian/German psychic is murdered. So he and a nosy but intelligent Italian reporter (Daria Nicolodi) set out to find the culprit responsible, a process that takes several turns.

Dug the jazzy guitar score by Goblin (these the same people that did Suspiria? Shocking.) which reminded me of an iconic song in a Quentin Tarantino film. There may be less visual woo than in Suspiria, but it makes up for it in creepy atmosphere and a more coherent plot.

But the misogyny in this one kinda marred things at times. Such as the lead's whining over being bested in arm wrestling and a little girl that gets slapped for no other reason than kinda creeping out her father. Also, why take the time to build up a strong female character if you only planned to leave her out for multiple reels?

Overall, I'd say it's a hair less better than Suspiria, but I'm glad that I've seen it.

What other Argentos might be worth my time?


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But the misogyny in this one kinda marred things at times. Such as the lead's whining over being bested in arm wrestling and a little girl that gets slapped for no other reason than kinda creeping out her father.



I think that might depend on the version you've seen. There's three and not all of them include the scene where the girl impaled a lizard with a needle. It's a bit more than just creeping out the dad in the full version.


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What other Argentos might be worth my time?


Bird With the Crystal Plumage
Phenomena
Opera
Sleepless
Tenebre
Inferno

I also like Four Flies, but no one else ever seems to.


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Bird With the Crystal Plumage
Phenomena
Opera
Sleepless
Tenebre
Inferno

I also like Four Flies, but no one else ever seems to.


I like Four Flies too. I just didn't love it. I also enjoyed Cat O'Nine Tails and would add Phantom of the Opera and Dracula 3D as fun bad movies.


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I also enjoyed The Stendhal Syndrome, although that might be a queasy viewing now.

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How does it compare to Beyond the Black Rainbow? I enjoyed that one at a distance on the strength of its visuals, but didn't feel it really built any momentum.


I have unfortunately not seen Beyond the Black Rainbow so I can't compare. I would say that there is some momentum to Mandy, while hardly a breakneck pace it definitely follows a bit of the revenge story arc standard and therefore things pick up a bit in the second half of the film.


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Anyone else looking forward to seeing The House with a Cock in Its Walls?

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Anyone else looking forward to seeing The House with a Cock in Its Walls?

Ha!
I was gonna do this movie for my September thread but I moved it to November.
Porky's I mean, not the movie that has either Jack Black or Cate Blanchett in it for no good reason. (I mean, seriously, either it's the kind of movie you have Jack Black in or it's the kind of movie you have Cate Blanchett in, but there is no overlap between the two).


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I also enjoyed The Stendhal Syndrome, although that might be a queasy viewing now.


Now, as opposed to when it was just a dude filming his daughter
being repeatedly, sadistically raped
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It probably always was, but I watched it during a period when I was watching a lot of sleazy, mean-spirited stuff so I probably shrugged it off at the time.

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Watch Mandy, folks.

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So, Winchester. It turns out that the ghost is

Jared Kushner with a southern accent.


Anyway, it's not as good as crumbsroom's favourite movie The Conjuring, but if you're looking for that kind of jump-scare heavy horror done reasonably well, you could do worse than this. It looks nice, has stronger characters and better acting than it probably needs thanks to Mirren, Clarke and Snook, and has one doozy of a haunted house.

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I'm seeing a bizarre amount of marketing on my Facebook for Puppet Master: The Littlest Reich. That's not any good, right? Has anybody here seen it? Will anybody vouch for Puppet Master: The Littlest Reich, now available to own on 4K, Blu-ray and DVD?

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I'm seeing a bizarre amount of marketing on my Facebook for Puppet Master: The Littlest Reich. That's not any good, right? Has anybody here seen it? Will anybody vouch for Puppet Master: The Littlest Reich, now available to own on 4K, Blu-ray and DVD?


I shall take one for the team ;)


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Guess that Horror movie will be delayed all my harddrives are in spain at the moment, when i get my own place i'll go get them... should be around christmas time hopefully ;)


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"Spain"


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"Spain"


I stayed out there hoping to live last christmas


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Guess that Horror movie will be delayed all my harddrives are in spain at the moment, when i get my own place i'll go get them... should be around christmas time hopefully ;)

Hey, that's completely fine. I mean, I have a life so I probably won't even notice there's no contest this year. I'll be too busy doing all that stuff I do. SERIOUSLY, I'M FINE OK??

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I guess I can delete all of those Victory gifs I was gonna send to Takoma when I won.

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Maybe I'll have time to do a Horror screen-cap contest.


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It sounds like you need to re-watch that third segment of AHE, cause he's an absolutely horrifying bastard in that.

So I finally got around to this today and...oh boy do I remember it now. Jeezus, how did I forget it?

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The original Piranha is some very successful schlock. I'd never seen it before this weekend, and now I'm a better man for it.

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Anyone seen this yet? Heard good things, but sadly it was only given a limited theatrical release. Need to track down a copy for Halloween.

Currently watching some RotD on Amazon prime, love me some O'bannon.


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The original Piranha is some very successful schlock. I'd never seen it before this weekend, and now I'm a better man for it.

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Piranha didn't thrill me the way I'd hoped it would. There were definitely some choice moments, but just not quite what I was looking for.

I do suspect that I might enjoy it more on a rewatch, now knowing what I'd be getting.


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THE LOST BOYS

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(First time watch)
So my theme for this October is horror films from the 80s that I've either not seen, or haven't seen in ages. I decided to start with The Lost Boys because there was absolutely no indication that I would like this one, so I wanted to get it out of the way early. A vampire film featuring Brat Packers, the Cory's, and multiple INXS songs seems like my worst nightmare on paper, so I admittedly approached this one with some skepticism.

Then at the 10-minute mark this happens, confirming my worst fears:
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this is not the kind of horror I had in mind

But then...some cool stuff happened. And then I realized that neither of the Cory's are being obnoxious. And then it starts to occur to me that Cory Feldman might be my favorite character here. (WTF?) Anyone that remembers my Stand By Me review will know what a shock this was. By the end I had to admit I was sort of enjoying it. My favorite element was the Vampire POV shots where they're flying around and tearing up cars and stuff. I thought that was an ingenious way of having them do epic vampire moves without having to film them actually performing them.
Don't get me wrong, it's a cheesy movie and it suffers from the mid-80s need to insert music videos every 15 minutes. But my only previous experience with Schumacher was Batman Forever and 8MM so this was surprisingly well-done.
So yeah, I'm off to a good start here. Turns out I actually liked The Lost Boys. Who knew?

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http://theyshootzombies.com/ghf1000/hidden-horrors/

I think somebody shared this a while back on RT, but it's a good source in case anyone is looking for more obscure recommendations for the coming month.

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Lost Boys is one of my favorite vampire movies. Surprised you haven’t seen it til now and thought you wouldn’t like it. It’s so much damn fun.

And people not named Michael don’t know the struggle of having to listen to Kiefer Sutherland saying your name 500 times.


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She-Wolf of London was a disappointing, in name only sequel that plays out as more of a Leopard Man than Cat People, only without the atmosphere, tension or quality. Characters speak in pure exposition of the "Oh hello fiance. As a lawyer, I want to make sure the rules of our wager are clear!" The plot is transparent and plodding. I just don't see any reason to watch this and even at an hour, it seemed like there was little to justify this length, especially as most of the "horror" takes place off screen. I'm glad this was a pre-Halloween watch as this would be a terrible start to my horrorfest.


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Piranha didn't thrill me the way I'd hoped it would. There were definitely some choice moments, but just not quite what I was looking for.

I do suspect that I might enjoy it more on a rewatch, now knowing what I'd be getting.

Amusing because my expectations were so LOW that I ended up really thinking well of it.


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THE LOST BOYS

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(First time watch)
So my theme for this October is horror films from the 80s that I've either not seen, or haven't seen in ages. I decided to start with The Lost Boys because there was absolutely no indication that I would like this one, so I wanted to get it out of the way early. A vampire film featuring Brat Packers, the Cory's, and multiple INXS songs seems like my worst nightmare on paper, so I admittedly approached this one with some skepticism.

Then at the 10-minute mark this happens, confirming my worst fears:
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this is not the kind of horror I had in mind

But then...some cool stuff happened. And then I realized that neither of the Cory's are being obnoxious. And then it starts to occur to me that Cory Feldman might be my favorite character here. (WTF?) Anyone that remembers my Stand By Me review will know what a shock this was. By the end I had to admit I was sort of enjoying it. My favorite element was the Vampire POV shots where they're flying around and tearing up cars and stuff. I thought that was an ingenious way of having them do epic vampire moves without having to film them actually performing them.
Don't get me wrong, it's a cheesy movie and it suffers from the mid-80s need to insert music videos every 15 minutes. But my only previous experience with Schumacher was Batman Forever and 8MM so this was surprisingly well-done.
So yeah, I'm off to a good start here. Turns out I actually liked The Lost Boys. Who knew?

I'm happy for you.
I too went into this film, recently, with the kind of expectations and specific hangups you mentioned.
But for me, the film lived up to them and then some. I thought it was just terrible and that everything I thought would suck, did.
I will probably never watch it again as long as I live.
I am glad you had a better experience.


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She-Wolf of London was a disappointing, in name only sequel that plays out as more of a Leopard Man than Cat People, only without the atmosphere, tension or quality. Characters speak in pure exposition of the "Oh hello fiance. As a lawyer, I want to make sure the rules of our wager are clear!" The plot is transparent and plodding. I just don't see any reason to watch this and even at an hour, it seemed like there was little to justify this length, especially as most of the "horror" takes place off screen. I'm glad this was a pre-Halloween watch as this would be a terrible start to my horrorfest.

Gasp! You startle me, sir!
I felt it had atmosphere, tension, and quality to spare. I felt it failed to plod at any point. It's one of my favorite "surprise" movies I've watched in the last few years and was an injection of unexpected macabery to my Horrorthon a couple years ago.


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Rock wrote:
http://theyshootzombies.com/ghf1000/hidden-horrors/

I think somebody shared this a while back on RT, but it's a good source in case anyone is looking for more obscure recommendations for the coming month.

Nice, there's actually a lot of stuff on here I haven't seen (unlike most of the "osbscure" lists), plus the Australian Thirst, which I dug.


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Couple of things I will try to make sure I watch again this year:

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Lost Boys is one of my favorite vampire movies.

Ok, let's not get carried away here!
It was fun, but I'm not ready to go that far. :P

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I'm happy for you.
I too went into this film, recently, with the kind of expectations and specific hangups you mentioned.
But for me, the film lived up to them and then some. I thought it was just terrible and that everything I thought would suck, did.
I will probably never watch it again as long as I live.
I am glad you had a better experience.

Ha, maybe I was just in a good mood. No one is more surprised than I, believe me. I don't know, it was undoubtedly cheesy and the chances of me rewatching it any time soon are slim, I'm just having a hard time finding reasons to hate it. I think Epic Sax Guy actually helped. Once he showed up I made the decision that I wasn't going to take anything seriously, so that might have been a good approach in hindsight.
I will say that if any Lost Boys fans ever talked trash about Twilight, then those people are hypocrites because this was just the 80s equivalent. Making vampires cool for that year's teens, complete with tortured Jami Gertz romance.

And one more for the Capt Terror Is Clueless file: Didn't realize till this morning that the vampire with the horrid curls was Bill and/or Ted.

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Ok, let's not get carried away here!
It was fun, but I'm not ready to go that far. :P

There’s A LOT of the beloved vampire movies I don’t like so the ones I usually return to are Lost Boys and Dusk Til Dawn.


Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:58 pm
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Ha, maybe I was just in a good mood. No one is more surprised than I, believe me. I don't know, it was undoubtedly cheesy and the chances of me rewatching it any time soon are slim, I'm just having a hard time finding reasons to hate it. I think Epic Sax Guy actually helped. Once he showed up I made the decision that I wasn't going to take anything seriously, so that might have been a good approach in hindsight.
I will say that if any Lost Boys fans ever talked trash about Twilight, then those people are hypocrites because this was just the 80s equivalent. Making vampires cool for that year's teens, complete with tortured Jami Gertz romance.

And one more for the Capt Terror Is Clueless file: Didn't realize till this morning that the vampire with the horrid curls was Bill and/or Ted.


Lost Boys has considerably better characters, both main and side, than Twilight even attempts. Diane Wiest and Barnard Hughes put in quite good performances, Corey Haim always had legit talent until he flamed out, and many of the other principal characters (Feldman, Patrick, Sutherland) are enjoyably B movie level. Lost Boys also has some legitimately funny moments.

All that being said, I've got no issue with a couple of the Twilight movies since, yes, it is also essentially b movie material. I'm actually a legit fan of the third one.


Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:22 am
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Anyone seen this yet? Heard good things, but sadly it was only given a limited theatrical release. Need to track down a copy for Halloween.

Currently watching some RotD on Amazon prime, love me some O'bannon.


About a 6.5/10 not that great as i hoped :(


Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:23 am
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I think the sense of humor really helped washed The Lost Boys down.

The epic sax guy used to work for Tina Turner in the 1980s, so there's that.

If you found something useful in the Twilights, more power to you. The first one just put me to sleep in the middle of the afternoon. So there was no need to go on.


Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:39 am
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