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Let's not forget that Alec Guinness elevated every vehicle he was in.

Even his cameo turn in Mute Witness


Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:27 am
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Let's not forget that Alec Guinness elevated every vehicle he was in.


there's a James Dean joke in here somewhere


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And yes Best of the Worst is amazing. One of the most consistently funny shows on the Internet. I personally love the Wheel of the Worst episodes the best.
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Ya know, I think I'm gonna try to go into this latest A Nightmare On Elm Street reboot with a positive attitude.


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I regret to inform this forum that Demons 2 is sadly no Demons. It's a good enough time if you're looking for a dumb, violent horror movie, but I found the original consistently more inspired and able to top itself from scene-to-scene, while this one feels more like a series of goofy happenings without the same kind of rhythm holding it together. Also, I found the apartment building setting in this one much less visually interesting than the theatre in the original, and the best moment of the movie feels partially cribbed from the original and I guess Gremlins.

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I regret to inform this forum that Demons 2 is sadly no Demons. It's a good enough time if you're looking for a dumb, violent horror movie, but I found the original consistently more inspired and able to top itself from scene-to-scene, while this one feels more like a series of goofy happenings without the same kind of rhythm holding it together. Also, I found the apartment building setting in this one much less visually interesting than the theatre in the original, and the best moment of the movie feels partially cribbed from the original and I guess Gremlins.

I feel like Demons 2 is all the insane ideas they didn't get to use in the first Demons tied into one of the loosest narratives of all. I don't think it not being on par is too much of a problem as I still found it to be a very good time.


Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:07 pm
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Is there a sort of Horror heyday going on?


Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:55 am
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Also, did The Witches need to be remade. I feel like that movie pretty much delivered..


Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:59 am
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Ditto, Arachnophobia?


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Also, did The Witches need to be remade. I feel like that movie pretty much delivered..


There's some stuff in the book that could be interesting to see on screen, but I feel like the original is really good and I'm not sure a remake is necessary.

The Witches has one of my favorite scary/sad sequences ever, which is the part about the little girl who gets kidnapped and then shows up in the painting, ages into an old woman in the painting, then disappears when she dies. Then later in the film when the Grand High Witch checks into the hotel, she sees a little girl in her painting, taps it with her finger, and we see the little girl vanish. There's something about the casual, unemotional cruelty that's captured in those sequences that always spooked me as a kid and makes me really sad as an adult.


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Cross-posted from Recently Seen:

Saw Hereditary - 7.5/10
It did a lot well, a good chunk of it really well. It probably took 10-15% longer than it should have to build the tension throughout the film. Some things that could have been developed narratively were done by exposition instead. Some parts probably weren't as well developed as they needed to be to contribute in the way they were intended. Some major moments seemed important but, in the end, seem like a Chekov gun. Some red-herrings aren't developed properly to give the intended impact. There is at least one WTF moment. And finally, the ending is provided by expository dialogue, which is a shame.
So, despite it's craft, it's fairly good journey, it's strong performances, and it's eerie tone throughout, and I don't wanna sell it short, some real scares, the movie falls a little flat by the time the screen goes black.
I can be more specific in a spoilerific discussion of the film.


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Oh, I meant to say earlier that, while I did not think they pulled off Hereditary flawlessly, it is still such a well-made film with so much going for it and is certainly a memorable horror, it does fit into my recent notion that this is a really good time for horror. Just looking at the top-tier, will be remembered going forward stuff:
The VVitch
It Follows
The Babadook
Hereditary
Get Out
It Comes At Night
What We Do In The Shadows
A Girl Walks Home Alone At Night
Only Lovers Left Alive

... then a whole buncha stuff in a tier right below this, and mainstreamers like,

Shape of Water
It
Conjuring 1/2
A Quiet Place
Ouija: Origin Of Evil

... that we're doing pretty well right now.


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that this is a really good time for horror.

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good about things too. Now that the torture porn & teen-scream subgenres seem to have run their course, things have been more in line with my particular tastes. There's also a few on the horizon I'm looking forward to, so let's hope it lasts a while.

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Folks with Amazon Prime....do yourselves a solid and watch Brain Dead, which is not the Peter Jackson film but a perfectly fine but underseen 1990 low-budget psychological thriller with a demented script from Twilight Zone regular Charles Beaumont and that marks the sole occasion to feature both of the frequently confused Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton on the same screen. Also, it's one of the first films I saw on LSD so I'm a little nostalgic. Of course it has a horrible rotten tomatoscore because of the stupidity of philistines, but don't let that be you. This movie will make you a better person. Do it for Bill.


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Folks with Amazon Prime....do yourselves a solid and watch Brain Dead, which is not the Peter Jackson film but a perfectly fine but underseen 1990 low-budget psychological thriller with a demented script from Twilight Zone regular Charles Beaumont and that marks the sole occasion to feature both of the frequently confused Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton on the same screen. Also, it's one of the first films I saw on LSD so I'm a little nostalgic. Of course it has a horrible rotten tomatoscore because of the stupidity of philistines, but don't let that be you. This movie will make you a better person. Do it for Bill.


I'll vouch for this too. LSD is probably a preferred state to partake though. But isn't that always the case?


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As I continue to check off whatever latter-day Fulci remains to be seen, I came upon this one about paranormal happenings being caused by an ugly girl in a coma. Unfortunately, nothing nearly as creepy as whatever that is in the poster ever shows up on screen, so instead it's pretty typical private girl school bitch-biting and scab-stabbing. Probably a good contender for Fulci's worst, without the vicious humor of Voices From Beyond, and with only the stunning beauty of the actresses and a handful of dependably bizarre shots to recommend it.


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But isn't that always the case?

I have to admit, I had to turn off Billy Madison once.


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I have to admit, I had to turn off Billy Madison once.


Kick Ass 2 wasn't improved much either. But I had the option of going into another room and disappearing into a wall sized map of Europe, so the night was not all lost.


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Folks with Amazon Prime....do yourselves a solid and watch Brain Dead, which is not the Peter Jackson film but a perfectly fine but underseen 1990 low-budget psychological thriller with a demented script from Twilight Zone regular Charles Beaumont and that marks the sole occasion to feature both of the frequently confused Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton on the same screen. Also, it's one of the first films I saw on LSD so I'm a little nostalgic. Of course it has a horrible rotten tomatoscore because of the stupidity of philistines, but don't let that be you. This movie will make you a better person. Do it for Bill.

I was asking about this movie last year and I feel like Tak said she was into it. Maybe even mentioned it again recently?
I'm definitely down for it.


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As I continue to check off whatever latter-day Fulci remains to be seen, I came upon this one about paranormal happenings being caused by an ugly girl in a coma. Unfortunately, nothing nearly as creepy as whatever that is in the poster ever shows up on screen, so instead it's pretty typical private girl school bitch-biting and scab-stabbing. Probably a good contender for Fulci's worst, without the vicious humor of Voices From Beyond, and with only the stunning beauty of the actresses and a handful of dependably bizarre shots to recommend it.

I used to use that poster as my avatar. Many moons ago.


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But isn't that always the case?

The kinds of movies I watched on LSD were 200 Motels, Aria, and Conan The Barbarian (which was awesome).


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I was asking about this movie last year and I feel like Tak said she was into it. Maybe even mentioned it again recently?

Hm, quite possibly, but I think Tak was talking about Henenlotter's Brain Damage. Which is also must-see material.


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The kinds of movies I watched on LSD were 200 Motels, Aria, and Conan The Barbarian (which was awesome).


Not LSD, but watching The Dark Crystal on mushrooms is just about the best thing anyone could ever do in their life.


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Hm, quite possibly, but I think Tak was talking about Henenlotter's Brain Damage. Which is also must-see material.

you're right


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Not LSD, but watching The Dark Crystal on mushrooms is just about the best thing anyone could ever do in their life.

Not a bad idea. Got some around here somewhere. And of course, the best thing is the duration. LSD just lasts too damn long.


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As I continue to check off whatever latter-day Fulci remains to be seen, I came upon this one about paranormal happenings being caused by an ugly girl in a coma. Unfortunately, nothing nearly as creepy as whatever that is in the poster ever shows up on screen, so instead it's pretty typical private girl school bitch-biting and scab-stabbing. Probably a good contender for Fulci's worst, without the vicious humor of Voices From Beyond, and with only the stunning beauty of the actresses and a handful of dependably bizarre shots to recommend it.

The poster is much better than the movie, but I didn't mind it. It's paced well enough (I find Fulci on an off day can feel interminable), looks reasonably nice and has at least one pretty memorable scare (death by snails).

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I'll vouch for this too. LSD is probably a preferred state to partake though. But isn't that always the case?


The only movie I ever saw on LSD was The Wall with a room full of people. I'd probably have to be in a room full of people to watch a horror movie because I'd get a little frightened. Yes I just admitted that.


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Yeah, Brain Damage is awesome. I've yet to see the 90s Brain Dead.

This weekend I rewatched The Unknown (1927). If you've seen it, I have to say that I laughed so hard when (MAJOR SPOILERS!!!)
Alonzo comes back from having his arms removed, and Nanon is like "I have great news for you!" and the strong man comes downstairs and she wraps himself in his arms and she's like "SO I LOVE ARMS NOW! LOVE 'EM!!!!" and Alonzo puts that horrible fake smile on his face and is like "That's greeeeeeat."


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one pretty memorable scare (death by snails).

Snails are not scary, man.


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LSD just lasts too damn long.

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Not LSD, but watching The Dark Crystal on mushrooms is just about the best thing anyone could ever do in their life.

We can probably do a whole thread on twisted flick experiences, and this is top ten material for sure. But it's also bound to get boring when someone inevitably chimes in with, I dunno, The Wall or something.

For the record, I'm pretty sure Evil Dead II was the very first film I saw under such conditions, but I don't think it should count as I'd seeen it several times by that point.


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Snails are not scary, man.

I don't know about scary, but I think the sheer volume of snails in that scene pushed it into legitimately uncomfortable territory for me.

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Ha! Awesome. Pretty much how I've felt on a lot of acid trips.


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Snails are not scary, man.


Snails on their own aren't all that scary. Snails in Uzumaki are some fucking nightmare fuel.

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Murder Rock is the worst Fulci I've seen yet. It's not aggressively terrible in any way, but other than its premise (murder in a dance studio, no doubt cashing in on the success of Saturday Night Fever, Flashdance and the like,) it lacks any distinguishing qualities. Fulci's usual strong visual style is totally absent (aside from a few ominously shot interiors), the actors breathe no life into the generic characters, and Keith Emerson's bland keyboard work does little to punch up the proceedings. There's little to recommend in this one, although one of the actors looks like a blond Udo Kier and another looks like a young Jodie Foster.

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I don't know about scary, but I think the sheer volume of snails in that scene pushed it into legitimately uncomfortable territory for me.

Boredom always makes me uncomfortable :P

I did like how the film used posters in the girls' rooms to allow for some very funny pseudo-cameos from Sly Stallone and Tom Cruise.

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Snails on their own aren't all that scary. Snails in Uzumaki are some fucking nightmare fuel.

Oof. Touche.


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I did like how the film used posters in the girls' rooms to allow for some very funny pseudo-cameos from Sly Stallone and Tom Cruise.

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He loves a good window fall.


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While It Follows, The Witch and The Babadook have been some of the more visible movies that are a part of the glut quality horror films of the past few years, Hereditary is the only one of these three which entirely embraces hysteria, absurdity and pushes the form to almost become too much to take seriously. Which may make it more effective in being legitimately disturbing than any of the other three. One can criticize how desperately it is willing to go for broke in the final stretch, but we need more of this. It is the closest I can think of any recent film coming to reach the high water marks of Possession's no apologies mania.


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While It Follows, The Witch and The Babadook have been some of the more visible movies that are a part of the glut quality horror films of the past few years, Hereditary is the only one of these three which entirely embraces hysteria, absurdity and pushes the form to almost become too much to take seriously. Which may make it more effective in being legitimately disturbing than any of the other three. One can criticize how desperately it is willing to go for broke in the final stretch, but we need more of this. It is the closest I can think of any recent film coming to reach the high water marks of Possession's no apologies mania.

Oh, I had no issue with that at all, I thought all of that went well, it was just the heavy exposition as the denouement that messed up the final act for me. And that one thing we talked about.


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After a rough day and the emotional intensity of Mommy, murder-by-frog-mask and elaborate traps involving time-release acid was just what I needed. Thank you, Abominable Dr. Phibes, thank you.


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After a rough day and the emotional intensity of Mommy, murder-by-frog-mask and elaborate traps involving time-release acid was just what I needed. Thank you, Abominable Dr. Phibes, thank you.

Man, I loved that movie.


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While It Follows, The Witch and The Babadook have been some of the more visible movies that are a part of the glut quality horror films of the past few years, Hereditary is the only one of these three which entirely embraces hysteria, absurdity and pushes the form to almost become too much to take seriously. Which may make it more effective in being legitimately disturbing than any of the other three. One can criticize how desperately it is willing to go for broke in the final stretch, but we need more of this. It is the closest I can think of any recent film coming to reach the high water marks of Possession's no apologies mania.

This was a disagreement I had with my brother. He liked the film but
would have preferred a less explicit ending, one that left open the possibility that the family or Collette was delusional. I on the other hand liked the fact that the movie fully committed and "went there".

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This was a disagreement I had with my brother. He liked the film but
would have preferred a less explicit ending, one that left open the possibility that the family or Collette was delusional. I on the other hand liked the fact that the movie fully committed and "went there".


I think it is a movie where you can have it both ways

By the end the movie is obviously manifesting its terrors into a physical reality. It plays as straight horror in the last twenty minutes, where the previous hour and a half was as much dysfunctional family thriller as a horror. But where is our reliable witness to prove that the levitating Toni Collettes and naked Satanists and combusting fathers is not all still a result of delusions caused by mental illness? The son? In a film with the title Hereditary, what it is that is passed down through generations can be taken two ways. He has either received the birthright of being crowned a demon prince through a family lineage that was waiting for a male to be 'honored' this way. Or the crown is more an example of the long history of mental illness now being bestowed upon him. Considering the sons behavior in the movie from the moment he experiences the trauma of killing his sister, he has begun withdrawing from family, is possibly suffering from delusions and has engaged in self harm. Once the movie shifts to his vantage point, should we be trusting what we are seeing as reality? I'm find with it going either way, but you can have your cake and eat it too here


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Oh, I had no issue with that at all, I thought all of that went well, it was just the heavy exposition as the denouement that messed up the final act for me. And that one thing we talked about.


I sometimes feel that there is a knee jerk reaction to any sort of dialogue that functions in an expository way as being lazy or sloppy writing, when I don't think it always is that way. It definitely can be, but for me the tipping point of expository dialogue becoming a burden in the film, is if it isn't ingratiated into either the action or the characters of the film. While, sure, there is some 'explaining' that happens in the final scene, it makes sense for that character to be explaining these things to the person it is all happening to. It doesn't drag on, the film doesn't pause from what is happening to have someone step out of the shadows and monologue. It is likely how dialogue would go if such an impossibly ludicroius moment happened in real life. Exposition in this moment feels acceptable to me. It doesn't belabor the momentum of the films climax for me in any way, even though it is technically the dreaded 'exposition'

I also don't really know what thing was talked about before. I have been avoiding all Hereditary talk until I saw it.


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Speaking of exposition, when I saw Hereditary in the theater, at the very opening written prologue, about 30 or 40 words long, a woman let out a very sad "Aw, maaan".

Luckily the rest of the film went along without such distraction, but let this be a lesson. Reading is terrifying.


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I think it is a movie where you can have it both ways

By the end the movie is obviously manifesting its terrors into a physical reality. It plays as straight horror in the last twenty minutes, where the previous hour and a half was as much dysfunctional family thriller as a horror. But where is our reliable witness to prove that the levitating Toni Collettes and naked Satanists and combusting fathers is not all still a result of delusions caused by mental illness? The son? In a film with the title Hereditary, what it is that is passed down through generations can be taken two ways. He has either received the birthright of being crowned a demon prince through a family lineage that was waiting for a male to be 'honored' this way. Or the crown is more an example of the long history of mental illness now being bestowed upon him. Considering the sons behavior in the movie from the moment he experiences the trauma of killing his sister, he has begun withdrawing from family, is possibly suffering from delusions and has engaged in self harm. Once the movie shifts to his vantage point, should we be trusting what we are seeing as reality? I'm find with it going either way, but you can have your cake and eat it too here

Yeah that's a good point. I, personally, had a mouth full of cake at the end. :D

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This was a disagreement I had with my brother. He liked the film but
would have preferred a less explicit ending, one that left open the possibility that the family or Collette was delusional. I on the other hand liked the fact that the movie fully committed and "went there".

I hear what he's saying, but that's simply not what the movie is about. I'm VERY glad they didn't go that route. We need good horror movies, not more movies that don't commit to their horror.


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I sometimes feel that there is a knee jerk reaction to any sort of dialogue that functions in an expository way as being lazy or sloppy writing, when I don't think it always is that way. It definitely can be, but for me the tipping point of expository dialogue becoming a burden in the film, is if it isn't ingratiated into either the action or the characters of the film. While, sure, there is some 'explaining' that happens in the final scene, it makes sense for that character to be explaining these things to the person it is all happening to. It doesn't drag on, the film doesn't pause from what is happening to have someone step out of the shadows and monologue. It is likely how dialogue would go if such an impossibly ludicroius moment happened in real life. Exposition in this moment feels acceptable to me. It doesn't belabor the momentum of the films climax for me in any way, even though it is technically the dreaded 'exposition'

I also don't really know what thing was talked about before. I have been avoiding all Hereditary talk until I saw it.

Well, I hear what you're saying and some appropriate exposition is always ok. But this movie simply would have been a better film had their been no dialogue other than the chanting during the final scene. We all fucking KNOW what's going on and if you don't, this movie is simply not for you. There's no harm if the ending of a movie goes over some peoples' heads, some of the greatest movies ever are this way, hell, I often think it's a hallmark of truly great movies (not all). But that's not the case here. What has happened is utterly apparent, and it is well-executed. Until someone comes in and says, in a silly dramatic voice, "THESE ARE THE EVENTS OF THE FILM... THIS IS WHAT IT ALL HAS COME TO... HERE IS A VERBAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS ALREADY ON-SCREEN, IN CASE YOU WENT TO THE BATHROOM SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE MOVIE..." It treats the audience like they're stupid, which is one of the hallmarks of poor execution of a film, to me. Makes me wonder, does the writer/director think they're smarter than their whole audience and must explain the film to them? (Looking at you, Mr. Spielberg/Minority Report.)
So it really does detract from the film, IMO.


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I sometimes feel that there is a knee jerk reaction to any sort of dialogue that functions in an expository way as being lazy or sloppy writing, when I don't think it always is that way. It definitely can be, but for me the tipping point of expository dialogue becoming a burden in the film, is if it isn't ingratiated into either the action or the characters of the film. While, sure, there is some 'explaining' that happens in the final scene, it makes sense for that character to be explaining these things to the person it is all happening to. It doesn't drag on, the film doesn't pause from what is happening to have someone step out of the shadows and monologue. It is likely how dialogue would go if such an impossibly ludicroius moment happened in real life. Exposition in this moment feels acceptable to me. It doesn't belabor the momentum of the films climax for me in any way, even though it is technically the dreaded 'exposition'

I also don't really know what thing was talked about before. I have been avoiding all Hereditary talk until I saw it.

The bit about
the book surprisingly combusting the father instead of the mother
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