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QUICK.

Never seen Bay of Blood or Death Bed: The Bed that Eats People.

Which should I stream?

I know the former is a classic, but also look at the second one's name. Look at that.

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I'm gonna tell you to watch Death Bed, not because I've seen it, but because Bay of Blood is my least favourite Bava from the handful I've seen. Well made but obnoxious in its contempt for its characters.

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It's either Night or Dawn for me. Been feeling more Night lately, just because going to bat for Dawn for two decades wears a guy out. Time to mix it up.


*steps up to bat*

Dawn for me.

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DONE.

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*steps up to bat*

Dawn for me.


Thanks, bud, I'll come back in a decade or so.

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QUICK.

Never seen Bay of Blood or Death Bed: The Bed that Eats People.

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Death Bed is a real trip. Watch it.


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QUICK.

Never seen Bay of Blood or Death Bed: The Bed that Eats People.

Which should I stream?

I know the former is a classic, but also look at the second one's name. Look at that.


The obvious answer is make a night for both of them.


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Thanks, bud, I'll come back in a decade or so.

I'll hole myself up in a mall in the meantime.

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It's Return of the Living Dead for me.

I don't know if that's number one for me, I'd have to think about it, but it's in the conversation for number one, for sure.
(With White Zombie, I Walked With A Zombie, Night of the Living Dead.)


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I'm gonna tell you to watch Death Bed, not because I've seen it, but because Bay of Blood is my least favourite Bava from the handful I've seen. Well made but obnoxious in its contempt for its characters.

You like BoB less than Five Dolls for an August Moon, Planet of the Vampires, Roy Colt, or Evil Eye? For shame!


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One of those has Edwige Fenech and one has cool spacesuits, so yes. Haven't seen three other two.

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One of those has Edwige Fenech and one has cool spacesuits, so yes. Haven't seen three other two.

A wasted Fenech and a misleading title is more like it. Bay of Blood is the best kind of giallo absurdity to the point that it feels like satire.


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A wasted Fenech and a misleading title is more like it. Bay of Blood is the best kind of giallo absurdity to the point that it feels like satire.

The problem is that "everyone is awful" is a pretty lazy punchline and the characters aren't remotely memorable otherwise and Bava has other movies with great craft and without BoB's unpleasantness.

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Thankfully, I live in a world where both Bay of Blood and Planet of Vampires are great.


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The problem is that "everyone is awful" is a pretty lazy punchline and the characters aren't remotely memorable otherwise and Bava has other movies with great craft and without BoB's unpleasantness.

It's a hilarious punchline and very relevant to the state of giallo when it released. The opening scene is a masterpiece in and of itself.

Crummy, I dig both but PotV was an amusing experiment more than a cohesive film. It's fascinating what Bava was able to pull off and the visuals are a sight to behold but the plot is less than serviceable and is severely undercut by a much cooler poster and title.


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I'm cross-posting this from Thief's thread because I know there are a few Frankenhooker fans in here.

An exploitation film: Frankenhooker

If you've read like, even two of my posts, you can guess that exploitation is not one of my favorite things. The frequent use of sexual violence as an excuse to show off female nudity is, even when done in a very campy way, off-putting to me. I had to shop around a bit for an exploitation film I thought I'd actually enjoy, and as I have quite liked other films by Hennenlotter, I decided to give Frankenhooker a go. It's also got good word of mouth over in the horror thread, so it seemed like a good choice.

I loved it.

One of the things that I appreciate about Hennenlotter's films (and especially Brain Damage, which is one of my favorite horror movies, period), is that despite the incredibly over the top elements of what he does, there is always an underlying sympathy for his characters.

There is a tradition in hollywood movies of "dead hooker" jokes and plots. There are several movies, comedies, whose entire plots revolve around "good guys" accidentally killing prostitutes or strippers and having to cover up the crime. Prostitutes are frequently treated in movies as more object than people, and often seen as being entirely deserving of their fates.

What sold me on Frankenhooker (aside from it's very funny script) is that it recognizes exactly who the gross people are in the film: namely, the pimp, those who cast moral judgement on prostitutes but have no desire to help or defend them, and, most importantly, the protagonist, Jeffrey.

The real strength of this movie, in my opinion, is recognizing that Jeffrey is not a hero, and he's not even that sympathetic. His actions claim to come from a place of guilt and benevolence, but in the end his motivations are selfish. Right from the get-go the movie shows Jeffrey's character--when he shows his fiance's decapitated head some mock-ups that he's made of bodies he could build for her, they are all cutouts from porn magazines. He's interested in giving his fiance a body that HE wants, not a body that she wants. When two prostitutes kiss each other, Jeffrey yells at them that what they're doing "isn't natural". Jeffrey doesn't hesitate to treat the prostitutes like a literal meat market, and his actions mirror all of the actions of the prostitutes' violent pimp, Zorro. I love that the movie had the guts to let Jeffrey be the bad guy, instead of taking the angle of him just being a confused good dude who lost his way.

If I'm making this movie sound like a potent social critique on sexism and prostitution, it really isn't. But Hennenlotter does give time to show a fake talk show where an advocate for prostitutes talks about the dangers they face in drug addition and violence. The movie shows that the prostitutes have been branded by their pimp. The prostitutes themselves are generally likable. They are fixated on money, but also . . . they will get hurt if they don't make money. The worst you can say about them is that they are overly enthusiastic about finding a stash of crack. The movie never implies that they deserve their grisly fate, and I really appreciated that.

I didn't like this movie quite as much as Brain Damage (which to me is just a perfect mix of horror and dark, dark comedy), but it had me laughing out loud at several points. It's also got a great cast of memorable secondary characters, like the uber butch lesbian bartender, or the adorably enthusiastic (and unfortunate) John picked up by the reanimated fiance. Highly recommended.


Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:31 am
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Nice write-up Tak. I saw it for the first time recently myself and quite enjoyed it as well.


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A second for both the love for Train of Busan (with its mix of what? sequences and touching moments) and Frankenhooker (pleasing b-movie thriller/horror...one of my friends had the VHS box that talked!)

Best zombie film? Probably Return of the Living Dead. A re-view of Night found some narrative flaws that took some of the shine of that film and I can't quite call Shaun of the Dead a zombie film as much as I can call it a film featuring zombies. Train to Busan would probably be second?


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I'm cross-posting this from Thief's thread because I know there are a few Frankenhooker fans in here.

An exploitation film: Frankenhooker

If you've read like, even two of my posts, you can guess that exploitation is not one of my favorite things. The frequent use of sexual violence as an excuse to show off female nudity is, even when done in a very campy way, off-putting to me. I had to shop around a bit for an exploitation film I thought I'd actually enjoy, and as I have quite liked other films by Hennenlotter, I decided to give Frankenhooker a go. It's also got good word of mouth over in the horror thread, so it seemed like a good choice.

I loved it.


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Cannibal Holocaust (1980) - 4/10

I was meaning to watch this one for a while. While it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, I still didn't like it that much. I didn't find its themes to be that interesting or compelling as they were of the "man is the real monster" variety. I think you can also read this film as a thesis for how the media and the journalists go way too far for insane sensationalism, but I found it hard to take this interpretation seriously as Deodato was doing the same thing. With this aside, all I was left with was an exploitation film which contains some of the most violent movie scenes I've seen since Irreversible (which I actually thought was pretty good). Anyways, I can respect Deodato for trying to add a couple layers to this film, but since I didn't find any of them to be interesting, I can't say I got much out of it.

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So did they just reduce Pacific Rim to the latest episode in the Transformers franchise?


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Cannibal Holocaust (1980) - 4/10

I was meaning to watch this one for a while. While it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, I still didn't like it that much. I didn't find its themes to be that interesting or compelling as they were of the "man is the real monster" variety. I think you can also read this film as a thesis for how the media and the journalists go way too far for insane sensationalism, but I found it hard to take this interpretation seriously as Deodato was doing the same thing. With this aside, all I was left with was an exploitation film which contains some of the most violent movie scenes I've seen since Irreversible (which I actually thought was pretty good). Anyways, I can respect Deodato for trying to add a couple layers to this film, but since I didn't find any of them to be interesting, I can't say I got much out of it.

Yeah, whatever arguments the movie tries to push fall apart because it isn't sincere about any of them. The only Deodato I've actually enjoyed is Live Like a Cop, Die Like a Man, mostly because its mean streak turns it into parody.

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So this looks right up my alley....

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The affair should have been purely told through visuals. Same with any of the flashbacks, really.
I liked Annihilation quite well as a creepy, Lovecraftian work of sci-fi/horror, but regarding the film's flashbacks, like the nightmare sequences in It Comes At Night, most of them added essentially nothing to the film, as they were either placed in an awkward, inopportune moment in the overall film, or contributed next to nothing to our essential understanding of the characters or their situation, and should've either been reworked or removed from the film entirely. We didn't need to see as many of the little moments that Lena shared with Kane as we did, as just one or two would've been enough to establish the strength of their relationship, and the revelation of
her affair
was needless, as, while that flashback played fine in a vacuum, in the context of the overall film, it didn't substantially inform anything in any thematic or character-building sense; in theory, it would've made her character feel guilty and explain why she entered The Shimmer in order to save Kane's life and make things up to him, but there's a very insufficient sense of that in the way she was characterized or portrayed before or after entering The Shimmer, and that aspect of her character went almost nowhere at all. It's nowhere near bad enough to make Annihilation not a good film in the end, of course, but it's still another missed opportunity on Garland's part as a writer/director.

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Yeah, agreed, I don't think we see enough of how that guilt informs her decision-making, because until we learn what we learn, her behavior is entirely compatible with someone who simply cares for her husband. Thematically, it very clearly ties into the whole "self-destruction" why-do-we-hurt-ourselves, but to what returns? It's part of the tapestry, which is nice, but by that point the movie operating on such a broad spectrum of "annihilation" and what that can mean that it's not really saying anything new, and it's not re-asserting a familiar thing in a terribly fresh (or even dramatically compelling) way.

All that said, still totally worth seeing.

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A re-view of Night found some narrative flaws that took some of the shine of that film...


Go on...

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This is because you are a smart person with good taste.


I'm going to update my resume and change all of my "relevant experience" to a list of Hennenlotter films.

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Go on...


Well to begin with, it turns out that there are dead people who come back to life. I mean . . . c'mon--there's suspension of disbelief and then there's just making stuff up!


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Agreed with Stu and DaMU on Annihilation. The movie would have worked just fine excising the flashbacks and developing Portman's relationship with her husband in just the opening scenes. I'm also not sure how much the interrogation scenes added or if they actually detracted from the sense of build-up, but they weren't as distracting. But yeah, the sense of atmosphere, the visuals and some of those set pieces have me kind of loving it or at the very least unable to stop thinking about it, so much so that I ran out and bought the book trilogy. Well actually, I ordered it online. And I didn't really run out of the theatre so much as walk out at a leisurely pace. I did buy a new pair of shoes though.

Annihilation: it will make you run out and buy shoes!

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Annihilation: it will make you run out and buy shoes!


Rock raves, "Annihilation is a soleful experience!"

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Rock raves, "Annihilation is a soleful experience!"

Shoe!

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Shoe!


Rock call Annihilation a shoe in for best picture.


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Dammit, you guys are kicking my ass at puns. Guess I gotta step up my game.

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Saw Thoroughbreds last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. Ahem.
Very funny dialogue and the two lead actresses were great. Not real profound or anything, but has something to say about the priveleged and just modern folks in general. Another reminder that Anton Yelchin shouldn't have died. Recommended.


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That movie looks deranged. I must see it.

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Dammit, you guys are kicking my ass at puns. Guess I gotta step up my game.


Step right up and see Annihilation, it kicks ass.


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Sat through Hide and Seek (2010) last night. It's an Indian horror that plays a bit like I Know What You Did Last Summer. They had a memorable Christmas party that involved a snow globe with the Taj Mahal, a Santa getting punched out, and a gun shot leading to tragedy.

A guy who spent time in an asylum for about 12 years, his girlfriend who he's been pining for and was on the verge of winning before the incident, a businessman with a drug problem (who happens to be the brother of the protagonist), an actor who lost weight and has taken up steroids, a Mumbai thug leader, and a former beauty queen all receive a mysterious message with the phrase Caught You. They're knocked out in various ways, kidnapped, and end up in a shopping mall that's shut down for the night.

Gradually, they wake up and learn from a demented Santa that they have to play hide and seek until 6 AM. There's to be no contact with the outside world, the doors are locked, and shockers are implanted in their stomachs so it's play or be shocked. But while they're playing, the six confront what they've done on that night 12 years ago.

I don't think I've spoiled all that much. Although there's several songs, nobody breaks out singing. It's more a straight up thriller than anything, although a couple of sequences involving the businessman getting high might be good for a laugh or two.

The problem here is that the melodrama that is a part of Indian film is a poor mix with the thriller/horror elements. Acting is wildly variable and the music, particularly its title song might break you out in laughter in the wrong time.

There is a second film that this reminded me of, but it's a spoiler so I'll keep quiet. I do not recommend seeking this out.


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Home early cause of snow and watching Angst.

This small dog is the best.


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Home early cause of snow and watching Angst.

This small dog is the best.
More home invasion movies would benefit from a curious dachshund being all, "Hey, what's up, buddy?" while the killer goes about his business. I'd totally watch that new Strangers movie if I knew a wiener dog might waddle into the frame at any moment, just to passively observe the goings-on.

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More shameless cross-posting!!

Strangler of the Swamp was even better than I expected it to be despite the high praise from this crowd!

The basic plot is that there is a town on a swamp, over which citizens are ferried. Ever since the old ferryman, Douglas, was hanged for a murder, the men who hung him (and their children) have been dying strange, strangling-related deaths. Joseph, the current ferryman, doesn't believe the stories until one night the spirit of the hanged man comes for him. Joseph's granddaughter, Maria, comes for a visit but ends up taking over her grandfather's home and job as operator of the ferry. She is wooed by Chris, the son of one of the men who hung Douglas.

This movie makes the most of its atmospheric swamp setting, and wisely establishes its paranormal presence very quickly. Maria is a really rare horror lead for this era, she is physically strong (hauling the ferry back and forth all day), enjoys living alone and having a physical job, smart, and brave. Most of the action in the film involves Maria trying to save Chris, and not the other way around as you might expect. Chris is a mostly engaging co-lead, despite bringing with him some lame gender politics (he proposes to her by being like "We should get married!" and when she says "What about my job?" he's like "Forget about it! Your new job is being my wife!" Meh.) Overall the cast/characters are engaging and I was genuinely surprised by how the resolution played out. Even the ghost of the hanged man is given some nuances in the final act that make him more than just a menacing shadow.

Great recommendation!


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More home invasion movies would benefit from a curious dachshund being all, "Hey, what's up, buddy?" while the killer goes about his business. I'd totally watch that new Strangers movie if I knew a wiener dog might waddle into the frame at any moment, just to passively observe the goings-on.

We definitely could use fewer close-up sausage eating scenes, though.

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So, Abel Ferrara's Body Snatchers... This is Ebert's favorite body snatching movie? Eh, it's alright, I guess. It's best when it plays up the pulpy B-horror tone (wish everybody was hamming it up like Forest Whitaker), but the movie doesn't make nearly enough of its military context and three build up doesn't match the paranoia of the Siegel and Kaufman versions.

Also, I respect their movie for throwing the kid out of the helicopter at the end, but was a 28 Weeks Later style human hedge trimming too much to ask for?

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Mark of the Witch (1970) is a micro-budget, made-in-Texas affair that is noteworthy for having been written by two women. RT members may recall that Rumpled and I are both fans. I'm mentioning it here because it's come to my attention that it's now available on Amazon streaming, in a WAY nicer print than the Youtube version I was forced to watch. Interested parties should be warned that its budget is very apparent and not all of the actors are "good", but it's a lot of fun, the script is actually intelligent, and the lead actress delivers a strong performance.

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It's either Night or Dawn for me. Been feeling more Night lately, just because going to bat for Dawn for two decades wears a guy out. Time to mix it up.


I’ll pick up the bat. Dawn all the way for me.


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Mark of the Witch (1970) is a micro-budget, made-in-Texas affair that is noteworthy for having been written by two women. RT members may recall that Rumpled and I are both fans. I'm mentioning it here because it's come to my attention that it's now available on Amazon streaming, in a WAY nicer print than the Youtube version I was forced to watch. Interested parties should be warned that its budget is very apparent and not all of the actors are "good", but it's a lot of fun, the script is actually intelligent, and the lead actress delivers a strong performance.

Eh, I thought this one was OK. In fact, I had to look it up to make sure I had actually seen it (I was confusing it with Virgin Witch, another fairly forgettable film I've streamed on Prime over the last couple of months).

Anitra Walsh was pretty good though. I'm curious now for why she died so young.


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Eh, I thought this one was OK. In fact, I had to look it up to make sure I had actually seen it (I was confusing it with Virgin Witch, another fairly forgettable film I've streamed on Prime over the last couple of months).

Anitra Walsh was pretty good though. I'm curious now for why she died so young.

There are a few moments that have stuck with me since I watched it months ago, enough that I'm looking forward to rewatching this better print, so I wouldn't call it "forgettable". "It was OK" is pretty accurate, though.

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Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:54 am
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As much as I love both Night and Dawn, I like to go to bat for Day of the Dead sometimes, mostly because someone needs to.

Btw Blood Feast is cheesy gore splatter goodness. I found a used Arrow Video blu of it at Half-Price Books for only 20 a few weeks back.

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Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:53 pm
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As much as I love both Night and Dawn, I like to go to bat for Day of the Dead sometimes, mostly because someone needs to.
You might enjoy watching this, then:


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MadMan wrote:
As much as I love both Night and Dawn, I like to go to bat for Day of the Dead sometimes, mostly because someone needs to.

Btw Blood Feast is cheesy gore splatter goodness. I found a used Arrow Video blu of it at Half-Price Books for only 20 a few weeks back.

They had it on Amazon for $13 for a long stretch but apparently that was a good enough deal to drive the Blu OOP so solid buy. I got a Lewis three pack that had BF, 2k Maniacs and Color Me Blood Red a long time ago so I didn't see the need but that Arrow treatment sure was tempting. I have Gore Gore Girls and Wizard of Gore laying around but have waited for the proper mood


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Stu wrote:
You might enjoy watching this, then:


I need to watch this cuz I love Night and Dawn and have never understood how Day wasn't a MASSIVE step down.


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OK guys... what are we most excited about... apart from me being here of course :P

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or something else...


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