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Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has ro be one of the worst sequels Ive seen in a long time.


Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:25 pm
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Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has ro be one of the worst sequels Ive seen in a long time.

Huh. I actually preferred it to the first one.


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Huh. I actually preferred it to the first one.

Me too. Watched it again when I got my screener and it holds up surprisingly well.


Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:19 am
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Huh. I actually preferred it to the first one.
While I still have to prefer the original Guardians if, for nothing else, the greater freshness that naturally comes with an original that a sequel can't usually hope to replicate, I still enjoyed Vol. 2 plenty; it was quite emotional, extremely impressive visually, and the villain was far, FAR more interesting this time around. I have no idea why it got a full 7 points lower an average score back at The Other Place, since it seems, to me, to be generally what you'd want in a good sequel, but whatever, right? At least I liked it.

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Plus Mantis!


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There was a villain upgrade in Guardians 2, for sure - it's hard to cast better than Kurt Russell. I wish we saw more of him and less of blue shimmer man in the climax. You need Kurt! You need that beautiful sweet grizzled man in the flesh. But yes, improvement on Shout Boy from the first one.

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There was a villain upgrade in Guardians 2, for sure - it's hard to cast better than Kurt Russell. I wish we saw more of him and less of blue shimmer man in the climax. You need Kurt! You need that beautiful sweet grizzled man in the flesh. But yes, improvement on Shout Boy from the first one.

It's a terrific performance. Rare to see him in a villain role. It's not a series I like that much, but he was great.


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There was a villain upgrade in Guardians 2, for sure - it's hard to cast better than Kurt Russell. I wish we saw more of him and less of blue shimmer man in the climax. You need Kurt! You need that beautiful sweet grizzled man in the flesh. But yes, improvement on Shout Boy from the first one.
Yes, Ronan was a rather generic, one-dimensional baddie in the original, but I've always felt he's a rare cinematic example (maybe the only one, actually) of a bland antagonist done right, as his basic forgettableness helps the more offbeat elements stand out even more than they would have otherwise, like when his big, evil monologue at the end about how all hope is lost was interrupted by a dance off challenge to the sound of "O-o-h Child", the thing that essentially defeats him, of all things. Such a glorious moment, and I'd hate to see Ronan done any other way, to be honest with you.

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Is it too soon for Solo hot takes?

It's hard not to be tickled at the news of New Han needing an acting couch to nail Ford's drawl.

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Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:53 am
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Is it too soon for Solo hot takes?

It's hard not to be tickled at the news of New Han needing an acting couch to nail Ford's drawl.
Yeah; combine that with certain poor pre-release buzz I've been hearing about it lately, and I can't help but wonder if Disney already has their first bonafide Star Wars flop on hand with Solo:


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also in regards to Rose: I understand how "love trumps hate" is a good message for these times although maybe such sentiment can be hard to portray in a war movie. especially when it is in a franchise that has heretofore been largely Manichean. and when it is represented by crashing one's spaceship into another person's spaceship in order to save their life. not sure if the EU ever went into the same bleeding heart territory as TLJ e.g. war profiteering, class division, animal cruelty, mourning the fallen, defeating the enemy at the cost of one's own humanity, etc. so for me, it's definitely new stuff for Star Wars to take on.
I know Fury Road has kind of the same theme where Nux learns to Fight for the Right Reasons. but Nux does also sacrifice himself in order to defeat the last of he bad guys 'cause sometimes you gotta kill 'em all!


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also in regards to Rose: I understand how "love trumps hate" is a good message for these times although maybe such sentiment can be hard to portray in a war movie. especially when it is in a franchise that has heretofore been largely Manichean. and when it is represented by crashing one's spaceship into another person's spaceship in order to save their life. not sure if the EU ever went into the same bleeding heart territory as TLJ e.g. war profiteering, class division, animal cruelty, mourning the fallen, defeating the enemy at the cost of one's own humanity, etc. so for me, it's definitely new stuff for Star Wars to take on.
Yeah, but that message wasn't delivered very well in TLJ; saving what you love instead of fighting what you hate is a pretty sentiment and all (even though Rose's all-of-sudden "romance" with Finn was incredibly half-hearted and obligatory), but it doesn't do the galaxy far, far away a long time ago much good if her sacrifice lets the remnants of The New Republic get completely wiped out by The First Order, does it? I mean, I get them not wanting to kill of the only major black character in this trilogy, but there are other things they could've done with that scene that would've been much less forced; what I would've done would be, have POE be the one who has to go on a suicide run into the big ol' lazer canon, since he's their lead pilot anyway, but have it fail this time by the thing going off just before he can crash into it, making his attempted sacrifice all for nought. That would've been much ballsier and dark, actually kill off a character (who doesn't have a lot to contribute anyway) in a way that makes sense.

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That part on the casino planet was pretty cool.

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That part on the casino planet was pretty cool.
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Yeah, but that message wasn't delivered very well in TLJ; saving what you love instead of fighting what you hate is a pretty sentiment and all (even though Rose's all-of-sudden "romance" with Finn was incredibly half-hearted and obligatory), but it doesn't do the galaxy far, far away a long time ago much good if her sacrifice lets the remnants of The New Republic get completely wiped out by The First Order, does it? I mean, I get them not wanting to kill of the only major black character in this trilogy, but there are other things they could've done with that scene that would've been much less forced; what I would've done would be, have POE be the one who has to go on a suicide run into the big ol' lazer canon, since he's their lead pilot anyway, but have it fail this time by the thing going off just before he can crash into it, making his attempted sacrifice all for nought. That would've been much ballsier and dark, actually kill off a character (who doesn't have a lot to contribute anyway) in a way that makes sense.


SPOILERS and all that we've all seen it come on.

I really can't see the climactic action going any other way. If Poe went instead, that would neuter his arc from being a hotshot pilot who leaps at the opportunity to charge at the enemy* (he says "this is our chance" to take out a Dreadnought, essentially admitting it's not a necessity) into someone who learns that sometimes the best move is to stop, assess, and save the lives of the Rebels for another fight.

By the end of the film, they're very deliberately re-creating the opening scene dynamic, with Finn/Poe/Lil Baby Death Star replacing Poe/Leia/Dreadnaught. And this ties in super-neat with Finn, because he's finally made the decision to go all-in with the Rebels (announcing himself as "Rebel scum" to Phasma), so he's just started to be heroic - but in the same sorta-dumb way that Poe was at the start, where heroism seems to consist purely of aggressive forward-charges.*

Which is why it's super-important that Rose knocks him out of the way, because it's a payoff to when they were freeing the animals, and he said, "It was worth it just to see them hurt" (paraphrase), and Rose sends the animals off and says, "Now it's worth it." The exact same sentiment is being fortified when she saves his life.

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I've seen the movie twice. The more I think about it, the more I enjoy everything that's happening on Canto Bight.

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I took Rose's love for Finn as less "sexual love" than "love for how you represent the spirit of The Resistance aka The Good Cause I've Been Fighting Most of My Life".

although it can be two things.


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SPOILERS and all that we've all seen it come on.

I really can't see the climactic action going any other way. If Poe went instead, that would neuter his arc from being a hotshot pilot who leaps at the opportunity to charge at the enemy* (he says "this is our chance" to take out a Dreadnought, essentially admitting it's not a necessity) into someone who learns that sometimes the best move is to stop, assess, and save the lives of the Rebels for another fight.

By the end of the film, they're very deliberately re-creating the opening scene dynamic, with Finn/Poe/Lil Baby Death Star replacing Poe/Leia/Dreadnaught. And this ties in super-neat with Finn, because he's finally made the decision to go all-in with the Rebels (announcing himself as "Rebel scum" to Phasma), so he's just started to be heroic - but in the same sorta-dumb way that Poe was at the start, where heroism seems to consist purely of aggressive forward-charges.*

Which is why it's super-important that Rose knocks him out of the way, because it's a payoff to when they were freeing the animals, and he said, "It was worth it just to see them hurt" (paraphrase), and Rose sends the animals off and says, "Now it's worth it." The exact same sentiment is being fortified when she saves his life.
Yeah, except the best move in that moment, as far as we know as audience members, was for one of them (Poe, Finn, Rose, just someone at all) to sacrifice themselves by charging at the enemy, because, going off everything the film conveyed to us, such a singular sacrifice would have been enough to destroy the ram-cannon thing and bought the Rebels more precious time, if Rose just hadn't interfered because of some half-assed love she now apparently has for Finn. If the film had established at all that Finn was on a futile suicide run that would fail to destroy the cannon, but he insisted on going through with it anyway out of desperation, and then Rose saved him, okay, but that's not what was going on in that particular scene at all. While it essentially makes perfect thematic sense for Poe/Finn/Roses's various arcs, it makes almost no logical sense based off of their situation at that moment, which is what ultimately prevents it from working as a storytelling choice on Johnson's part as a writer.

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...going off everything the film conveyed to us, such a singular sacrifice would have been enough to destroy the ram-cannon...


When and how is this conveyed?

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When and how is this conveyed?
By the film never conveying the opposite. To be fair, no one ever said "if we fly one of these things into the cannon, it WILL blow up, no ifs ands or buts", but the reason why Rose saved Finn was because she suddenly loved him, not because she or anyone else there knew that his suicide run would prove to be futile, because the movie never even hinted at that. The impression the film gives is that there is a chance that Finn's (who obviously knows more about the cannon than anyone else there, it must be noted) suicide run could've destroyed the thing, which makes it all the more frustrating that Rose interfered for such a BS reason. I get that she's somehow in love now or whatever, but if she's not going to let Finn sacrifice himself to save the Rebellion when they're facing almost sure annihilation, then what's the point of being a fighter for 'em anyway? Again, I liked TLJ a lot, but that part was just so unnecessarily stupid when taken on its own.

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To be fair, no one ever said "if we fly one of these things into the cannon, it WILL blow up, no ifs ands or buts"...


I think this is what's key for me: all previous "small fighter vs. big ship" climaxes in Star Wars had clear and deliberate plans that did not rely on kamikaze attacks.* The last film lampshaded this by Han quipping "There's always a way," and then we learn the specific way that Starkiller Base can be destroyed. We get chalk talks. We know martyrdom is possible but certainly not the goal. So my perspective was that, if this is something that someone's theorizing might work, then there's actual nuance to this choice. It's not inherently valuable. It may be noble - or it might be a short-sighted non-solution. Finn might have good intentions, but he may also be not thinking clearly or in terms of what's truly useful to his friends. Especially in this film:

The movie in general values martyrdom only when no other options for helping are available (Luke stuck on Ach-To, Holdo piloting her already-doomed distraction cruiser, Rose's sister at the base of her dying bomber). I don't see that no-other-options choice with Finn's. I'm glad he's stopped.


* Phantom Menace had a plan that relied on contrivance and accident, but that's its own separate issue.

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Holdo piloting her already-doomed distraction cruiser

It's been pointed out that a droid left behind could have conceivably executed this plan without the need for human sacrifice, but whatever. I don't like to put too much thought into these films anymore.


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It's been pointed out that a droid left behind could have conceivably executed this plan without the need for human sacrifice, but whatever. I don't like to put too much thought into these films anymore.


When I was home for Christmas, my brother pointed this out, which almost made me want to shout, "Why not have droids piloting every ship?! Fewer Rebels would've died that way, right?! In fact, why even bother with people fighting these wars at all?! They had drone warfare in the Prequels! Why did we lose that technology?! Why not just make this saga about droids? Droids all the time! Droid Wars? We'll all love it! We finally made a movie that is 100% consistent in terms of plot logic, and the only consequence is that it's completely non-functional dramatically!! We did it! WE LOGICKED ART UNTIL WE FINALLY KILLED THE FUCKER ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!"

It was at this point that I realized it was midnight and all I'd had for dinner was red wine and cheese.

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It was at this point that I realized it was midnight and all I'd had for dinner was red wine and cheese.

Exactly my point. Never try to digest Star Wars on an empty stomach.


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I think this is what's key for me: all previous "small fighter vs. big ship" climaxes in Star Wars had clear and deliberate plans that did not rely on kamikaze attacks.* The last film lampshaded this by Han quipping "There's always a way," and then we learn the specific way that Starkiller Base can be destroyed. We get chalk talks. We know martyrdom is possible but certainly not the goal. So my perspective was that, if this is something that someone's theorizing might work, then there's actual nuance to this choice. It's not inherently valuable. It may be noble - or it might be a short-sighted non-solution. Finn might have good intentions, but he may also be not thinking clearly or in terms of what's truly useful to his friends. Especially in this film:

The movie in general values martyrdom only when no other options for helping are available (Luke stuck on Ach-To, Holdo piloting her already-doomed distraction cruiser, Rose's sister at the base of her dying bomber). I don't see that no-other-options choice with Finn's. I'm glad he's stopped.


* Phantom Menace had a plan that relied on contrivance and accident, but that's its own separate issue.
That's all fine and well, but Johnson never established any clear game plan in Jedi for them destroying the cannon; they just started flying towards it in their speeders, with no mentions of using any onboard weapons or anything else to defeat it with. I don't need Finn or anyone else to have to sacrifice themselves in a suicide run, I just don't want them to be pointlessly prevented from doing it "cuz luv" when, from everything the film's shown us, that appears to be the only way they have of stopping the thing and saving what's left of the Rebellion in that moment. Think these things through next time, filmmakers!

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I’m still confused about how Luke’s legend spread across the galaxy at the end. It’s established that no Resistance sympathizers showed up to witness that show-down, and the Resistance is winnowed to about 20 people aboard the Millennium Falcon at the end, so who the fuck is credibly passing this story around about Luke facing down the First Order and how is it it in any way compelling without the visual element that nobody was there to witness? “Oh, so Luke Skywalker just showed up out of nowhere? Right. And he stared down all their weapons? Uh huh. They all blasted him, but he survived? So this invincible fellow just killed them all then, right? No? You all had to flee in defeat. Oh, that’s a likely story.”

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Guardians of the Galaxy 2 has ro be one of the worst sequels Ive seen in a long time.


Are you kidding me? It was hilarious. Watch it again.


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The Last Jedi came thrillingly close to upending Star Wars — but lost its nerve

While, as you all know, I enjoyed TLJ a lot, this writer does make some good points about how it could've been even better than it already was.

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A new, alternate death scene for Captain Phasma was just released!:


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