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As I mentioned before in another thread, I have been able to retrieve about 45% of the pages from "Donner discusses and reviews every single STAR TREK" thread, which was one of the most long-lasting and popular threads in GD. For me, it was always an enjoyment reading his synopses and comments after I would see a particular episode. I am now watching Season 4 of DS9 and when the RT forums shut down last month, I was deeply saddened that I would no longer be able to read those great reviews.

But after watching The Visitor last week, I was amazed that the page containing that episode (Page 77) miraculously turned up in the cache as well as a few other pages. By digging deeper, and adding key words (such as specifically typing "Deep Space 9", i was able to find even more. Eventually, by manually typing each page number, I was able to recover 70 of the 151 Pages.

Here then are the cached pages that I found in Google, broken down by Series, starting with T.O.S. I hope you enjoy them. But I would save them as soon as possible. For I have a feeling it won't stay cached forever.

Edit: 12/28/2017. Five more pages found through Bing: 68, 100, 121, 149, 151


TOS


Page 1

Page 2

Page 3 Old Format

Page 4 Old Format

Page 5 Old Format

Page 6 Old Format

Page 7 Old Format

Page 8 Old Format

Page 8 Old Format

Page 9 Old Format

Page 10 Old Format


Page 11 - Not Needed. Overlapped by old format
Page 12 - Not Needed. Overlapped by old format
Page 13 - Not Needed. Overlapped by old format



Page 17


ANIMATED SERIES

Page 21

Page 22


THE MOVIES


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Page 26

Page 27


Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:17 am
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TNG

Page 27

Page 28

Page 29

Page 30

Page 31

Page 32

Page 35

Page 40

Page 41

Page 42

Page 44

Page 48

Page 50 Actually Page 36 of the old format. This is approx. where it would fall

Page 55

Page 56

Page 58 Actually Page 39 of the old format with some overlap with Page 59

Page 59


TNG/DS9

Page 63

Page 64

Page 66

Page 68 Cached from Bing. Slightly different layout with certain search words highlighted.

Page 69 Actually Page 46 of the old format. But this is where it would fall.

Page 70


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DS9/VOYAGER

Page 73

Page 74

Page 76

Page 77

Page 79 This shows up with a green triangle in Firefox but leads to a dead link. I posted it here anyway in hopes that it may be accessable later.

Page 80

Page 82

Page 84

Page 88

Page 91

Page 92

Page 93

Page 94

Page 96

Page 97

Page 98

Page 100 Cached from Bing

Page 102

Page 103

Page 105

Page 106

Page 109

Page 111 Includes Star Trek: Insurrection

Page 112

Page 113

Page 115


Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:52 am
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You're doing the Lord's work here, other Epi.

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You're doing the Lord's work here, other Epi.


Thanks, Stu. I just hope Donner sees this. Does anyone know if he's a member here? There doesn't seem a member directory.


Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:46 am
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VOYAGER

Page 117

Page 118

Page 119

Page 120

Page 121

Page 124

In addition, if you type the URL below for Page 116 into the Google search bar, a small paragraph shows up in the cache, but it doesn't have the upside down greentriangle like all the other cached pages so it appears to be lost. This is most unfortunate because this Page contains the last 6 episodes of DS9.

forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/819118?page=116


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Thanks, Stu. I just hope Donner sees this. Does anyone know if he's a member here? There doesn't seem a member directory.
There is, and he is; he's only posted in The Baker's Dozen thread so far, but he is indeed here.

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If I am lucky maybe my RT MST3K reviews are out there somewhere. Probably not.

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Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:32 pm
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If I am lucky maybe my RT MST3K reviews are out there somewhere. Probably not.



Would you happen to know the exact thread title and the approx. date you posted it? Nothing is coming up so far in the Google cache because "Madman" is also the name or part of a name of several movies.

Edit: Is this it?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aj-YfpP3h5AJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/1998131%3Fpage%3D1+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So far I can only find Page 1 of the 4 pages. Loved Manos, Hands of Fate.

Edit: Found Page 3 through Bing

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Next&d=4779316787741460&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=IsBOFFIdi699YZql1vgZvu0DIrUEfMRTT


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Could you maybe find my old RT MST3K review thread as well? My username at the time was Stu, I started it in 2010, and the name of it was "Stu (tries to) review every episode of MST3K", I believe.

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Could you maybe find my old RT MST3K review thread as well? My username at the time was Stu, I started it in 2010, and the name of it was "Stu (tries to) review every episode of MST3K", I believe.


Stu,

These were the only cached page I could find, Page 1 and 4. That's too bad, because it looks like it was originally 18 pages, and you would think that with the moderate success I had with Donner's thread that at least 5 or 6 pages would turn up. I don't know if more were once cached and they have since disappeared or they were just never cached in the first place. (For example, Page 12 and 16 were also was supposed to be cached, but when I clicked on the green triangle, it just went to a dead link.)

Page 1

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ncw1irxQuIoJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Page 4.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tvYtXLJVLpEJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096%3Fpage%3D4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Page 18

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KQumrEcEAv4J:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096%3Fpage%3D18+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Here is the search page that shows several other cached pages, but they either don't have the upside down triangle, or if they do, it just goes to a dead link. But who knows, maybe if you have a different browser, they may work for you.

https://www.google.com/search?q=forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096&filter=0&biw=1440&bih=794

Anyway, at least a couple are out there, but I would save the pages as soon as possible; they could it could disappear at any time.


Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:50 am
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Stu,

These were the only cached page I could find, Page 1 and 4. That's too bad, because it looks like it was originally 18 pages, and you would think that with the moderate success I had with Donner's thread that at least 5 or 6 pages would turn up. I don't know if more were once cached and they have since disappeared or they were just never cached in the first place. (For example, Page 12 and 16 were also was supposed to be cached, but when I clicked on the green triangle, it just went to a dead link.)

Page 1

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Ncw1irxQuIoJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Page 4.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tvYtXLJVLpEJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/584096%3Fpage%3D4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Here is the search page that shows several other cached pages, but they either don't have the upside down triangle, or if they do, it just goes to a dead link. But who knows, maybe if you have a different browser, they may work for you..
They don't, but thanks for the links that do, other Epi; I had forgotten about DaMU dissing Squirm at the time, grrr.

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They don't, but thanks for the links that do, other Epi; I had forgotten about DaMU dissing Squirm at the time, grrr.


Well, it looked like a good thread. I'm sorry I missed it at the time but I didn't post much in GD during that era. In reading Page 1, I see there is a reference to The Pod People. I remember seeing that about five years ago with my kids who were 14 and 12 at the time. It was one of our favorite episodes.

It was kind of cool that my kids were into the show so much, even though they were to young to understand a lot of the "in-joke" references to some of those awful films. Other episodes we saw were Teenagers From Outer Space, Phantom Planet, Manos - Hands of Fate and Attack of the Giant Leeches, as well as some of their shorts.


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Well, it looked like a good thread. I'm sorry I missed it at the time but I didn't post much in GD during that era. In reading Page 1, I see there is a reference to The Pod People. I remember seeing that about five years ago with my kids who were 14 and 12 at the time. It was one of our favorite episodes.

It was kind of cool that my kids were into the show so much, even though they were to young to understand a lot of the "in-joke" references to some of those awful films. Other episodes we saw were Teenagers From Outer Space, Phantom Planet, Manos - Hands of Fate and Attack of the Giant Leeches, as well as some of their shorts.
Thanks, other Epi. And I hate to say that I actually didn't laugh at the Pod People episode very much at the time, but that's sometimes how I feel about certain Joel-era episodes (I grew up watching the Sci-Fi Channel era of the show, so I prefer the Mike era), but, I did only watch it once, and it's been a long time since I saw it, so maybe I'm overdue for a revisiting. And out of the rest of the bunch you mentioned, Phantom Planet has to be my favorite of those; the movie's nothing special in providing entertainment just on its own (it's certainly no Space Mutiny, for example), but M&TBs did a great job of riffing it nonetheless: "Remember these people? They're in our movie!".

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Stu,

Page 18 just popped up. I posted the link above. I could have sworn it wasn't cached yesterday, but when I clicked on the index page a few minutes ago, it now showed the upside down green cache arrow for Page 18. So now we have three pages. It doesn't have any of your actual posts, but a couple of other posters quoted a couple of your reviews.

It may be worthwhile to click on that index page every once in a while. Who knows, maybe more will turn up.

Edit: It also may be worthwhile to look at Bing and other search engine sites other than Google. I wasn't able to turn up any more of your MST3K pages, but I did find five more of Donner's Start Trek pages and added them above. I now have 75 of the 151 pages of that thread cached .


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ENTERPRISE

Page 126
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xYXD-SdglqYJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/819118%3Fpage%253D84%26page%3D126+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Page 130
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Page 131

Green arrow shows up in Bing, but leads to a dead link. It states: "Could not find the requested document in the cache"

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Page 135
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Page 136
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Epitoooozy wrote:
Stu,

Page 18 just popped up. I posted the link above. I could have sworn it wasn't cached yesterday, but when I clicked on the index page a few minutes ago, it now showed the upside down green cache arrow for Page 18. So now we have three pages. It doesn't have any of your actual posts, but a couple of other posters quoted a couple of your reviews.

It may be worthwhile to click on that index page every once in a while. Who knows, maybe more will turn up.

Edit: It also may be worthwhile to look at Bing and other search engine sites other than Google. I wasn't able to turn up any more of your MST3K pages, but I did find five more of Donner's Start Trek pages and added them above. I now have 75 of the 151 pages of that thread cached .
Thanks again, man. And I don't think I noticed MadMan's final post in it when he put it in back in June; in response to that, I have to say thank you, and that I wished I had gotten all the way through the entirety of MST3K, but I just got tired of reviewing the show episode-by-episode, and I was fairly content with making it a good 2 & 1/2 seasons in, so it seemed like a good time to quit while I was ahead, y'know?

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Thanks again, man. And I don't think I noticed MadMan's final post in it when he put it in back in June; in response to that, I have to say thank you, and that I wished I had gotten all the way through the entirety of MST3K, but I just got tired of reviewing the show episode-by-episode, and I was fairly content with making it a good 2 & 1/2 seasons in, so it seemed like a good time to quit while I was ahead, y'know?


Ah, don't feel too bad, Stu. After all your thread states "Smalley (tries to) review every MST3K.." and that's exactly what you did.


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Ah, don't feel too bad, Stu. After all your thread states "Smalley (tries to) review every MST3K.." and that's exactly what you did.
Heh, it is, isn't? Well, it was nice while it lasted, at least.

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Yippie! I found the very first page :D

https://web.archive.org/web/20150216004336/http://forum.rottentomatoes.com:80/topic/show/819118

It was on archive.org of all places. I didn't think they archived beyond the RT Forum index page, but they did for Page 1 at least. And it actually shows the Tribbles as ratings.

And it looks like Page 2 and 3 are archived too. Just click on the actual Page #s in the archived page. Can't seem to get beyond Page 3 though.

I can't believe what an incredible find this is...hiding in plain sight all along.

It looks like it was archived in April, 2015. much earlier than the Google cache. Not only do the Tribbles show up, but older AVs may have as well..

So far, I have been able to find cached and archived pages for 78 of the 151 pages. Who knows, maybe we will get them all back.

Check out the link posted below for more possible archived pages. That is how the archive.org for Page 1 turned up. You may be able to find other lost pages yourself for not only Star Trek but other threads as well. If you find Star Trek pages that I haven't already posted, please post them here or PM me the link and I will add them to my pages.

http://timetravel.mementoweb.org/

Edit: Just found the first 9 Pages on Archive.org. Equivalent to Page 1-13 of Google cache. So we have de facto the first 13 pages cached.


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Post Enterprise comments and new movies

Page 138 Star Trek: The Motion Picture (2009)

Page 139 Star Trek: Of Gods and Men

Page 140

Page 142 Star Trek: Into Darkness

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Page 151 Last Page


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I am speechless. I'd archived the classic reviews, animated series reviews, and movie reviews at my website, but never got to TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise under the stupid idea that RT would be there forever. I've also started reviewing Discovery at my website too, so the tradition is continuing.

Thank you so much for bringing this back from the dead.

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Would you happen to know the exact thread title and the approx. date you posted it? Nothing is coming up so far in the Google cache because "Madman" is also the name or part of a name of several movies.

Edit: Is this it?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:aj-YfpP3h5AJ:forum.rottentomatoes.com/topic/show/1998131%3Fpage%3D1+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So far I can only find Page 1 of the 4 pages. Loved Manos, Hands of Fate.

Edit: Found Page 3 through Bing

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Next&d=4779316787741460&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=IsBOFFIdi699YZql1vgZvu0DIrUEfMRTT
Holy shit. Thanks!

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I am speechless. I'd archived the classic reviews, animated series reviews, and movie reviews at my website, but never got to TNG, DS9, Voyager, or Enterprise under the stupid idea that RT would be there forever. I've also started reviewing Discovery at my website too, so the tradition is continuing.

Thank you so much for bringing this back from the dead.



You are welcome, Donner, but I hope you had chance to copy the cached pages, because almost all of them have already disappeared and now only lead to dead links. The "old format" archive.org pages are safe, but the not the Google pages. (Cached pages only last about four months before they disappear, or, more accurately, "updated." And since the original RT forums and the threads therein are gone, so have the cached links when Google captures the latest - now dead - links.

I was afraid this was going to happen, so luckily I saved each of the above-posted pages. But even here, as I have just learned, because the caches are gone, only the text and a few pics and AVS remain. (The familiar RT forums layout in the post-downgrade period after 2014 has disappeared.) So if you didn't have chance to migrate your reviews to your other site, then I can try and get them to you. Also, I just found a bunch of new archive.org threads, that cover a good part of TNS and some DS9 so I will be updating those pages accordingly.


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Yeah, I didn't get a chance to copy them. I have the classic Trek and animated trek reviews archived, but the rest are lost the ether.

I'll probably just have to do them over again.

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When I went to see what page one had, to my utter surprise, the second post was by my RT alter-ego, YTMN!

But a lot of posters' true names display, rather than their usernames, so I'm not sure who I was having convos with.

The avatars do come through, Donner's with his ani-gif intact!

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When I went to see what page one had, to my utter surprise, the second post was by my RT alter-ego, YTMN!

But a lot of posters' true names display, rather than their usernames, so I'm not sure who I was having convos with.
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I'll probably just have to do them over again.

Just let your avatar hypnotize you into remembering exactly what you wrote before. Piece of cake.

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Yeah, I didn't get a chance to copy them. I have the classic Trek and animated trek reviews archived, but the rest are lost the ether.

I'll probably just have to do them over again.

Hi, Donner.

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Hi, Donner.



Madman, did you get the chance to save your cached pages before they disappeared? Unfortunately, I didn't save them like I did all of Donner's pages.


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