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for real though, I hope you at least find time for official Corrierino zeitgeist film Nashville. though I don't know if I would pick it as The Film of 1975 when we are more living in a post-Jaws Hollywood than a post-Nashville one.

I do love that film, as I do with all Altman movies. I badly need to watch it again.


Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:26 pm
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I'm pretty sure MASH is where he invents the overlapping dialogue, Im not the biggest Altman fan but some of his stuff is masterpiece level, he's fun to dig through, you should prioritize his stuff whenever you can

Im glad you went with this over Patton which really shouldnt be considered New Hollywood at all, it was very very establishment and bigbudget studio war movie ala Longest Day and in development before any New Hollywoods were hits (and Coppola was trying to be establishment at the time, eg Finian's Rainbow)

Oscars might be a bad way to choose New Hollywood ones, theres def crossover later as studios follow the hits and certain directors and producers and stars form a new establishment, but I think you'll find more interesting movies and a better sense of the history if you dont take Oscars into consideration

echoing others: great thread and glad to raed another entry, can't wait for next one!


Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:19 am
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I'd recommend it, but it may be a bit more off-putting. In its way, it's even more anarchic than MASH (although a bit more forgiving on Sally Kellerman), and the humor veers from very silly to disturbingly weird. It's also outdated in may ways, but I think it's a special film. (And a great double feature with Harold & Maude if you're still considering a 1971 entry.)


It's really much more than that though. It's been said that Easy Rider proved that Jack Nicholson was a star, but Five Easy Pieces proved he was a great actor. Pretty much everything Jack did between 1970-1975 is worthwhile, but 5EP is on the shortlist of his personal best.


Growing up with MASH being a staple of the TV week, to the point where the theme music is immediately relatable (like Taxi, Barney Miller, Kotter, Rockford Files), it was quite a revelation once we found out what the lyrics were about.
I made my choice for '71 some time ago, and I'm afraid it's not Harold And Maude, but I'll keep that double feature idea in mind! I'll also see about going back and finishing 5EP some time, since I really am interested in checking out some more early Nicholson performances. And regarding "Suicide Is Painless", I was very amused to discover this little tidbit in my research on M*A*S*H: "According to Johnny Mandel and Robert Altman, the film's famous theme song was intended to be the "stupidest song ever written". After attempting to write the lyrics himself, Altman said he found it too difficult to write "dumb enough", and instead gave to the task to his fourteen-year-old son, Mike, who allegedly wrote the lyrics in five minutes. Because of its inclusion in the subsequent television series, he continued to get residuals throughout its run and syndication. Robert was paid seventy-five thousand dollars for directing, but his son eventually made about two million dollars in song royalties."

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as a reward for being honest with your lack of exposure to Altman, I am now going to bully you mercilessly.

I do agree with M*A*S*H as the movie of 1970 though in tandem with Patton, the movie of choice for the other half of the country. remember a time when real men were allowed to fight the good fight without letting themselves be handcuffed by a bunch of bleeding hearts and moral relativists? (heck, it was apparently Nixon's favorite movie according to Woodward and Bernstein)
It's been a while since I last watched Patton, but I remember the infamous slapping-the-soldier scene being extremely drawn-out and uncomfortable to watch, which, along with the "Americans have never lost, and will never lose a war" line which might have been intended as some ironic commentary on the war we were losing at the time (a 1970's-era Coppola WAS one of the film's co-writers, after all) lead me to believe that the film isn't quite as pro-war as some think it is. But, like I said, it's been a while.
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Another one I haven't seen. Dang it. However, just wanted to chime in that I'm really enjoying this thread so far.
Thanks 8-)
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You better be talking about Skidoo, I won't tolerate your friendship if you don't
What the hell's Skidoo?
Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
for real though, I hope you at least find time for official Corrierino zeitgeist film Nashville. though I don't know if I would pick it as The Film of 1975 when we are more living in a post-Jaws Hollywood than a post-Nashville one.
Nashville's the Altman I want to watch the most next, along with McCabe And Mrs. Miller, when I can find the time.
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I'm pretty sure MASH is where he invents the overlapping dialogue, Im not the biggest Altman fan but some of his stuff is masterpiece level, he's fun to dig through, you should prioritize his stuff whenever you can

Im glad you went with this over Patton which really shouldnt be considered New Hollywood at all, it was very very establishment and bigbudget studio war movie ala Longest Day and in development before any New Hollywoods were hits (and Coppola was trying to be establishment at the time, eg Finian's Rainbow)

Oscars might be a bad way to choose New Hollywood ones, theres def crossover later as studios follow the hits and certain directors and producers and stars form a new establishment, but I think you'll find more interesting movies and a better sense of the history if you dont take Oscars into consideration

echoing others: great thread and glad to raed another entry, can't wait for next one!
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What the hell's Skidoo?

The supper-club generation in Hollywood (Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, Mickey Rooney, Frankie Avalon, Peter Lawford, at least three Batman villains, etc) discover LSD and have a swinging old time at sea.


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The supper-club generation in Hollywood (Jackie Gleason, Groucho Marx, Mickey Rooney, Frankie Avalon, Peter Lawford, at least three Batman villains, etc) discover LSD and have a swinging old time at sea.
Sounds amazing, really.

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Sounds amazing, really.

Oh, it's groovy, man. And happening.


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It's been a while since I last watched Patton, but I remember the infamous slapping-the-soldier scene being extremely drawn-out and uncomfortable to watch, which, along with the "Americans have never lost, and will never lose a war" line which might have been intended as some ironic commentary on the war we were losing at the time (a 1970's-era Coppola WAS one of the film's co-writers, after all) lead me to believe that the film isn't quite as pro-war as some think it is. But, like I said, it's been a while.


like Truffaut says about anti-war movies.... (yadda yadda yadda you know what I'm going to say)

also, here is some more on Skidoo. it's one unique cultural artifact for sure.
http://www.reverseshot.org/symposiums/entry/969/skidoo


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Nashville's the Altman I want to watch the most next, along with McCabe And Mrs. Miller, when I can find the time.

I really liked McCabe and Mrs. Miller. A lot.


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also, here is some more on Skidoo. it's one unique cultural artifact for sure.
http://www.reverseshot.org/symposiums/entry/969/skidoo

Why do people still shit on Popeye?


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Why do people still shit on Popeye?

Yeah, I thought that movie had long ago been vindicated.


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Late response here, but...
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Easy Rider is one of the best films I've ever seen. I think it's a great films BECAUSE it is scattered and aimless.
...I can respect that, but personally, I'm finding that the deeper I delve into the movement, the more I'm finding that certain films in it seemed to have a hard time finding the right balance between the freedom brought on by the narrative/stylistic experimentation of the new era, and the more focused storytelling and lower-key aesthetics of Classical Hollywood. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer New Hollywood to Classical, but I'm finding that the best films of the former are the ones that use the stylistic experimentations of the New in ways that actually contribute to the film as a whole (and without going too far in that aspect and just becoming mindlessly experimental for the sake of being mindlessly experimental), and marry that more free-wheeling style with the more tightly focused stories of the Classical Era (while still including moments that don't necessarily advance the story, but at the very least, say, still advance our understanding of the characters within or some other enriching understanding of the film), like what Mike Nichols did with The Graduate. That's just a personal preference, though.

Anyway, hopefully, either tomorrow or the next day, I'll be able to start and finish my rewatch of my 1971 movie, and finish my write-up for it soon after, so stay tuned everybody!

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Late response here, but......I can respect that, but personally, I'm finding that the deeper I delve into the movement, the more I'm finding that certain films in it seemed to have a hard time finding the right balance between the freedom brought on by the narrative/stylistic experimentation of the new era, and the more focused storytelling and lower-key aesthetics of Classical Hollywood. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer New Hollywood to Classical, but I'm finding that the best films of the former are the ones that use the stylistic experimentations of the New in ways that actually contribute to the film as a whole (and without going too far in that aspect and just becoming mindlessly experimental for the sake of being mindlessly experimental), and marry that more free-wheeling style with the more tightly focused stories of the Classical Era (while still including moments that don't necessarily advance the story, but at the very least, say, still advance our understanding of the characters within or some other enriching understanding of the film), like what Mike Nichols did with The Graduate. That's just a personal preference, though.

Anyway, hopefully, either tomorrow or the next day, I'll be able to start and finish my rewatch of my 1971 movie, and finish my write-up for it soon after, so stay tuned everybody!

Well, Easy Rider was definitely NOT about finding the right balance, it was about doing something new.


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Love that record, btw. Yes, that's me who wrote that review; I actually wrote album reviews for that site on-and-off from 2009-13, which was one of the formative experiences of my life. It was voluntarily discontinued and deleted back in 2014, unfortunately, but it was a good decade old by that point, and what a ride while it lasted, y'know?

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I can respect that, but personally, I'm finding that the deeper I delve into the movement, the more I'm finding that certain films in it seemed to have a hard time finding the right balance between the freedom brought on by the narrative/stylistic experimentation of the new era, and the more focused storytelling and lower-key aesthetics of Classical Hollywood. Don't get me wrong, I still prefer New Hollywood to Classical, but I'm finding that the best films of the former are the ones that use the stylistic experimentations of the New in ways that actually contribute to the film as a whole (and without going too far in that aspect and just becoming mindlessly experimental for the sake of being mindlessly experimental), and marry that more free-wheeling style with the more tightly focused stories of the Classical Era (while still including moments that don't necessarily advance the story, but at the very least, say, still advance our understanding of the characters within or some other enriching understanding of the film), like what Mike Nichols did with The Graduate. That's just a personal preference, though.


yeah anybody know of any movies that (in your opinion) represent the worst of American New Wave? and I'm not talking about the big expensive excessive Heaven's Gate-style busts but the ones that go overboard on the navel-gazing and meandering and self-pity. I watch too much canonized stuff so I don't have a good knowledge of crap.

I remember watching The King of Marvin Gardens and while I thought it was on the whole a decent piece, I could understand why most people would rather watch something like Star Wars. (or at least something like The Graduate or Easy Rider since those had some good tunes)


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yeah anybody know of any movies that (in your opinion) represent the worst of American New Wave? and I'm not talking about the big expensive excessive Heaven's Gate-style busts but the ones that go overboard on the navel-gazing and meandering and self-pity. I watch too much canonized stuff so I don't have a good knowledge of crap.

Love Story
A Wedding
Agatha
At Long Last Love
Interiors
A Star is Born
1941


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awww, I thought A Wedding was ok. not top-tier Altman but still pleasantly Altman-y.

I haven't seen At Long Last Love but imo it sorta, kinda looks like the movie Star Wars could have been: an earnest, cynicism-free, intentionally-square homage to a decades-old (and out of fashion) genre but with the sort of poor technical aspects (in this case, leads that were not passable singers/dancers) that broke the audience's immersion. unless that's too much of a stretch.


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How are you doing on your 1971 write-up?

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How are you doing on your 1971 write-up?
In order to report on my progress on that, I would've had to actually begin it :D Yeah, sorry, but a combination of me being busy on my days off work/not in the mood to rewatch my choice for '71 (since I've seen it multiple times before not too long ago, it's been harder for me to work up the motivation to watch it again) have ended up delaying my next entry. But, I'm not giving up on this thread yet, not by a long shot, and I'm happy to know you're still anticipating future entries; I'll see if I have the time/interest to rewatch/start writing about the '71 movie sometime this weekend, and if not, I'll just do it later, whenever I'm ready. I am sorry to delay this thread, but I'd rather do that then try to rush it when I'm not in the mood, and then that sloppiness shows up in my writing. At any rate, stay tuned, folks!

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In order to report on my progress on that, I would've had to actually begin it :D Yeah, sorry, but a combination of me being busy on my days off work/not in the mood to rewatch my choice for '71 (since I've seen it multiple times before not too long ago, it's been harder for me to work up the motivation to watch it again) have ended up delaying my next entry. But, I'm not giving up on this thread yet, not by a long shot, and I'm happy to know you're still anticipating future entries; I'll see if I have the time/interest to rewatch/start writing about the '71 movie sometime this weekend, and if not, I'll just do it later, whenever I'm ready. I am sorry to delay this thread, but I'd rather do that then try to rush it when I'm not in the mood, and then that sloppiness shows up in my writing. At any rate, stay tuned, folks!

Nice. I'm looking forward to it. As long as your write-up is as good as your previous entries, I don't a mind a delay if it means you'll produce more quality work as opposed to rushing and producing something not up to the standards you're hoping for.

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