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Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:33 pm
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Any others I should see before forming a more conclusive opinion?
I'm really fond of Stray Dog, too.

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Seen. It's not bad.

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I'm really fond of Stray Dog, too.

I'll give the three a shot, possibly re-watch a few too. Usually don't like to write directors off completely, especially those held in as high regard as Kurosawa, so it's worth the shot either way. Thanks!

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Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:48 pm
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Sound films are dull.

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I'll give the three a shot, possibly re-watch a few too.
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Sound films are dull.

Maybe this is why I can't seem to get interested in any films I tried to watch today or the end of yesterday. Sound!

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I'm really fond of Stray Dog, too.

probably my favorite kurosawa i've seen, but that's admittedly not pulling from a large pool

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I probably wasn't quite in the mood to watch a film like this yesterday. The most vital details seemed to graze by me & what I was left with was a film with such brutality that didn't seem, at the time, to offer much more than a grisly, purposeless view of human nature. In retrospect, that is much of what the film was but I was seeing it from a skewed perspective. As what is easily Kieslowski's least refined film, A Short Film About Killing displays a hideous excuse for a world that is also persistently real. We witness two deaths - one of a violently strangled & crushed taxi driver & one of the murderer as he is sentenced to hang - neither of which are mulled over at much length but both linger long after the credits roll. It's repugnant & unforgivable, yet we almost feel a sense of guilt having judged either act. The murderer's environment is hued by tarnished filters, setting a bedeviled nightmarish atmosphere for our central character which in turn menaces the audience. The film is both unsightly & fascinating, mirroring the repercussion the content has on us. Hardly Kieslowski's piece of premium cinema, but one I feel is vital to his oeuvre.

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dont apologize, i love seeing what screencaps jump out at people

i have No End rented, i should get around to watching it, Kieslowski's one of the first foreign/arthouse folks that meant something to me but I feel like I outgrew him quickly evne tho im sure Dbl Life is as great as i remember, but maybe not these and Decalogue


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The screenshots are lovely and hence never excessive! It's no Veronique or Red but it's still good imo. I really like these extended versions of the Dekalog episodes.

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dont apologize, i love seeing what screencaps jump out at people

i have No End rented, i should get around to watching it, Kieslowski's one of the first foreign/arthouse folks that meant something to me but I feel like I outgrew him quickly evne tho im sure Dbl Life is as great as i remember, but maybe not these and Decalogue

I should start spoilering them, at least.
Double Life remains one of my most adored films, I can't imagine it not holding up for anyone who appreciated it a first time. If anything, it's only gotten better for me. Still need to get around to finishing Decalogue. We watched two or three, I believe.

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spoilers are classy

yeah Dbl Life i watched over and over (and this was VHS :shifty: why i havent revisited the Criterion is idiocy)


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We own it on Criterion DVD & Criterion Blu :D.

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screenshots spoilered for the no clutter.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:37 am
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I'll give the three a shot, possibly re-watch a few too. Usually don't like to write directors off completely, especially those held in as high regard as Kurosawa, so it's worth the shot either way. Thanks!

I'm a really big fan of Dreams, but I think I might be alone on that one.

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Screenshots from that one have always caught my eye, though I know next to nothing about it. I'll add that to the list, :).

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You're not watching the right ones.

Hmm. How many silents do you watch that have absolutely no soundtrack? No musical accompaniment, no nothing? That's what I meant. :D

Silent films are not dull in general, I simply meant to say that they were never presented silently at all. You know, back in the good old days when our parents were still glimmers in our grandparents' eyes?

I should see if there's a Downhill DVD or stream at teh Frix.

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Passion of Joan of Arc has no sound whatsoever & though I've not seen it, I hear it's excellent.

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Nah, maybe Downhill is dull! :P Haven't seen yet, maybe tomorrow.

Think it could be? A Hitchcock film dull!?!?!1?

I'm willing to give it a fourth try if I can find a copy with a soundtrack. ;)

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Passion of Joan of Arc has no sound whatsoever & though I've not seen it, I hear it's excellent.

Best with the Voices of Light soundtrack.


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Think it could be? A Hitchcock film dull!?!?!1?

I'm willing to give it a fourth try if I can find a copy with a soundtrack. ;)

I'm probably going to watch it today so I can let you know :P.

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I'm probably going to watch it today so I can let you know :P.

Cool. Where'd ya get your copy?

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Cool. Where'd ya get your copy?

KG, I believe.

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KG, I believe.

Shucks. I don't Karagargle. :)

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Hmm. How many silents do you watch that have absolutely no soundtrack? No musical accompaniment, no nothing? That's what I meant. :D


I've never seen any silent film without musical accompaniment of some kind.

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I've seen some Naruse and Ozu silents without music, saw Berlin, Passion of Joan of Arc, Lonesome and Man with a Movie Camera with no available soundtracks

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I've never seen any silent film without musical accompaniment of some kind.

Well, download this. You're in for a freakin' treat.
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Better yet, save your time for some other kind of treat. :D

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Tih Minh is totally silent, and for a long time.

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I find I like Ozu's silents without music, since they jar so much with his own internal rhythm of images.

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more like ribbon's crapsody

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rude.
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a cinematic dreckoning

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universal ribbon: day of.... yeah

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5eva

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whateva, i loved him first & you were all "uh i guess i could see that" & i'm all :-/

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/bry

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I HADN'T SEEN ANYTHING WITH HIM IN IT EXCEPT STREET FIGHTER AS A KID OK

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THEN I SAW THE LIGHT

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jcvd's legs are bigger than mine so you're a hypocrite

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El sur is great, what there is of it. But the incompleteness of it really annoys me

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El sur is great, what there is of it. But the incompleteness of it really annoys me

I was bummed because really wanted more, but was still fulfilled by the end. Somehow.

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I can't believe Erice took his producer's advice there. I esp. wanted a resolution to the old woman's story, she was such a unique mix of warm and menacing presence

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I esp. wanted a resolution to the old woman's story, she was such a unique mix of warm and menacing presence

Yessss, this was what I kept thinking about as it was ending.

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Alfredo Leone only has to do with the terrible cut version of Lisa and the Devil - has nothing to do with the proper version of the film, which is one of Bava's best, and purest films.


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Oof, my bad.
I grabbed The Whip & the Flesh on KG today, which I'm really looking forward to. Enjoying this little Bava binge. Which others are essential & which to avoid? I've seen Black Sunday, Lisa & the Devil, Kill Baby Kill, Blood & Black Lace, & Black Sabbath (which deserves another watch).

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Essential: Bay of Blood, Rabid Dogs - the rest depend on your level of interest, you've hit most of his 'essential' stuff already.

As far as what to avoid, some of his pulp adventure films are quite bad, mostly the early ones.


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Will keep that in mind, thank you :).

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