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That Red Beard piece is kinda great.
Thanks! I was afraid it was sort of pointless, since no one here seems to feel about that one like I do.

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As a Kurosawa fan, I'm always glad to see you supporting this one, since no-one else seems to. Another one I must see.
What?! As a Kurosawa fan? Of course I would never advise you to neglect your studies to watch more movies, but... maybe you should neglect your friends and family. Just a little bit! :P

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 2:16 pm
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I like how you navigate the film around your taste, if that makes sense.

I think I've told you this before, but Red Beard was one of the Kurosawas I admired. I saw most of his stuff like a decade ago so it's all kinda up in the air now.

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Sure, it makes sense. That's how I know how great it is, since it had to work on me against my will, so to speak.

You admired it, but you were still shocked by how I high I rated it, I think. I love it unreservedly.

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    The instant I entered the sheep house, all two hundred sheep turned in my direction. Half the sheep stood, the other half lay on the hay spread over their pen floors. Their eyes were an unnatural blue, looking like tiny wellsprings flowing from the sides of their faces. They shone like glass eyes which reflected light from straight on. They all stared at me. Not one budged. A few continued munching away on the grass in their mouths, but there was no other sound. A few, their heads protruding from their pens, had stopped drinking water and had frozen in place, fixing their eyes on me. They seemed to think as a group. Had my standing in the entrance momentarily interrupted their unified thinking?

It should come as no surprise that I like Haruki Murakami. Every book he’s written is filled with regret and longing and loss. Does he write about anything else? But while I’ve enjoyed many of them, I really love only A Wild Sheep Chase. The story of a man with untold regrets, a writer who doesn’t write, who has in one way or another lost everyone important to him; it's also a strange thriller involving gangsters, telepathy, and one very ominous sheep.

When I’ve had problems with Murakami before, it’s been because of the feeling that his oddball surrealism is spinning out of control. But this time, it’s balanced by an affecting and believable depiction of an old and very deep friendship. Likewise, the crazy plot right out of The Testament of Dr. Mabuse works surprisingly well when anchored by the weight of that relationship. The climax has a double logic, serving the thriller and providing catharsis. Though still all about loss and regret, it’s curiously satisfying on every level.




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Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:15 pm
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What?! As a Kurosawa fan? Of course I would never advise you to neglect your studies to watch more movies, but... maybe you should neglect your friends and family. Just a little bit! :P

I used to be great at being an anti-social cinephile, but now I've lost that skill :(
Also, 'loss and regret' is a great unifying theme, I must say. I forget whether you've seen Once Upon a Time in America, but from my top list of films, this is the highest which fits into that category.


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Also, 'loss and regret' is a great unifying theme, I must say. I forget whether you've seen Once Upon a Time in America, but from my top list of films, this is the highest which fits into that category.
I haven't seen that! Soon.

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I haven't seen that! Soon.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.


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I have a new candidate for the most beautiful film I’ve ever seen! The Sacrifice took my breath away many
times: that pale sunlight, the wooden floors, the color changes, the reflections, the dream sequences, the fire. I’m
raving, I know... and of course it’s far more than just pretty pictures. It’s a film that seems tailor-made for my
preoccupations. Not that I sit around talking about Nietzsche or worrying about the end of the world, haha. But this
mix of despair and hope, sacrifice and gain, love and madness, faith and doubt is as mysteriously satisfying as the
mournfullest mournful nostalgia. In addition, I’m a huge fan of Chekhov, so I loved the echoes I picked up from this
crazy family. But, primarily, I think I fell in love with the ambiguity. Mystical miracle or tragic insanity – for once, I
feel no need to choose a side; both interpretations can coexist peacefully in my head. Either way, Alexander has
sacrificed everything for love of his son, and I’m filled with awe.

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Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:02 pm
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I agree a.k.a. I should post something but have nothing to say.


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I haven't seen The Sacrifice yet, but I read a beautiful little thing on Tarkovsky from Michel Chion's Audio-Visual (17).

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So sound temporalized the image: not only by the effect of added value but also quite simply by normalizing and stabilizing film projection speed. A silent film by Tarkovsky, who called his cinema "the art of sculpting in time," would not be conceivable. His long takes are animated with rhythmic quiverings, convulsions, and fleeting apparitions that, in combination with vast controlled visual rhythms and movements, form a kind of hypersensitive temporal structure. The sound cinema can therefore be called "chronographic": written in time as well as in movement.

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:20 am
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I agree a.k.a. I should post something but have nothing to say.
I'm glad you're reading.

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I haven't seen The Sacrifice yet, but I read a beautiful little thing on Tarkovsky from Michel Chion's Audio-Visual (17).
That's awesome, thanks! Sound is so important in films as it is. I never thought about the effect it had on film projection speed.

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:23 am
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I haven't seen that! Soon.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I'm glad I'm still able to recommend films to you people :P Don't let the length discourage you, BTW, it's one of these films where it only makes the experience better. Still waiting for the 6 hour version...


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I'm glad I'm still able to recommend films to you people :P
You seem to be confusing me with some other people around here. I haven't seen much at all! Books, now, are another story. :)

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Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:37 am
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I used to be well-read once, now I've fallen way behind. I've got enough movie knowledge to coast on for a while, but wanna see so much more...


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Despite a healthy dose of hopeless longing and regret, Effi Briest is not quite up there with my favorite Fassbinders. Still I’m full of admiration for its beautiful, Brechtian approach to the costume drama; we’re given just enough historically accurate dress and scenery to set the tone, just enough dialogue and plot detail to set the stage, and the rest is left to our imagination. We cooperate in building climactic scenes barely sketched in through passionless narration, and, in a very literary way, our participation increases the emotional resonance. I love the layering effect of the techniques here: narration on top of dialogue; symbolism and contradiction in the sets and statuary; blinding fades to white; caustic intertitles. And, always, our expectations are thwarted, our attention caught by what we don’t see, our interpretations challenged as we go. The story skips and lunges forward, as if it were a book read many times and only picked up again to savor favorite passages.

But while I'm impressed by the literary nature of the film, I don’t mean to imply that it isn’t visually stunning. The pictures do more than their fair share of the work. I don’t think it’s exaggerating to say that every single shot is meticulously arranged to squeeze in the greatest possible amount information about the characters and their relationships. In other words, those mirror shots aren’t just fun, they’re fundamental.

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I thought that one was excellent but now I'm not sure why. But look at it!

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I thought that one was excellent but now I'm not sure why. But look at it!
Yeah, it's gorgeous. Maybe this is silly to say when I haven't read the book, but I think it's a remarkable literary adaptation.

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One can make such a remark when it's clear we register it all cinematically, I suppose!

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Looks beautiful.

The cinematography too.

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One can make such a remark when it's clear we register it all cinematically, I suppose!
Well, there's that, yes. And, what I love about Fassbinder – one of the many things I love, I mean – is how clear it is that he loves these books (Effie Briest and Berlin Alexanderplatz) deep down. And from the little time I've spent with those books, I'd say that Effi is the truer translation of the author's tone. And that's not a criticism of his Berlin. I think that particular book shaped him and became interchangeable with him in a way that makes such criticism irrelevant, if that makes sense.

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The cinematography too.
Haha. She's stunning in this.

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Haha. She's stunning in this.


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dreiser bone

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The Weeping Meadow (Angelopoulos, 2004) 8/10
I just noticed this! :heart:

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I just noticed this! :heart:


It's my favorite Angelopoulus thus far. Supposed to be part of a trilogy, right?

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It's my favorite Angelopoulus thus far. Supposed to be part of a trilogy, right?
Mine, too, by far. He only got two of them made. :(

I have The Dust of Time here to watch. I should get on that.

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Mine, too, by far. He only got two of them made. :(

I have Dust of Time here to watch. I should get on that.


Bummer. The other one is in my Netflix queue.

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Hey, if anyone wants to check out the way I reorganized the link section in the original post, I'd appreciate feedback.

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Practical and aesthetically appealing. Looking at that list of directors...truly awesome. Makes me want to reread everything. :D


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Thanks! :heart:

Would anything be gained by adding dates to the chronological lists?

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I love the list layout. Personally don't see myself using the dates and I like how clean it is right now. Going to be easier now for me to find all your Fassbinder posts as I watch more of them :).

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Thanks! :heart:

Would anything be gained by adding dates to the chronological lists?

Nah, what you've done is plenty, I'd say.


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Hey, if anyone wants to check out the way I reorganized the link section in the original post, I'd appreciate feedback.


Very cool. Also reminds me I could stand to organize the OP in my journal thread as well.

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I love the list layout. Personally don't see myself using the dates and I like how clean it is right now. Going to be easier now for me to find all your Fassbinder posts as I watch more of them :).
Thanks. And, ooh, Fassbinder. I can't wait till you get to Berlin Alexanderplatz!

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Very cool. Also reminds me I could stand to organize the OP in my journal thread as well.
I think you just need to update it. :P

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I think you just need to update it. :P


I totally plan to review every film in my little competition. You know, the one you didn't even participate in. :x

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I totally plan to review every film in my little competition. You know, the one you didn't even participate in. :x
Aw. I wasn't around, and didn't even see it till you had your 10. But you have a really interesting list, and I can't wait to see what you think of The Gold Diggers. :P

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Aw. I wasn't around, and didn't even see it till you had your 10. But you have a really interesting list, and I can't wait to see what you think of The Gold Diggers. :P


I'd be more than happy to throw your rec on top of the rest. It was an arbitrary number. :P

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The list made me realise that I had really lost track of how much stuff this thread has in it.


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It's a lot of movies, but not much writing about each one. I seem to be stuck in "book-jacket blurb" mode. Probably why LEAVES doesn't like me anymore. :(

But, hey, look! Pretty pictures!

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Maybe this is silly to say when I haven't read the book, but I think it's a remarkable literary adaptation.
Just realized I'm going about this all wrong. This is a message board, after all! Has anyone read the book and seen the movie? I'd love to hear an informed opinion. (Talking about Effie Briest here, by the way.)

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I've heard bad things about Effi Briest the book from both people on the Internet and 'in real life', but I really wanna see the film, along with 25000 other Fassbinders.
I really like that first post.
Anyway, since I'm pretty sure I expressed my embarrassment about not having seen Otto e mezzo in here, it's pertinent to say I was recently swept away by La dolce vita, despite the gargantuan expectations I brought to the table.


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So many Fassbinders! I'll be truly sad when I run out of them.

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Thanks.

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Anyway, since I'm pretty sure I expressed my embarrassment about not having seen Otto e mezzo in here, it's pertinent to say I was recently swept away by La dolce vita, despite the gargantuan expectations I brought to the table.
I watched La dolce vita right after being swept away by , and maybe that was part of the problem, but it didn't have the same effect at all. Great ending, though.

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La Dolce Vita is my favorite Fellini.

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Ha, I know. I'll give it another try someday.

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Ha, I know. I'll give it another try someday.


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Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:28 am
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and La dolce vita are the same film to me, one that I know I've seen but remember so little of that my brain can't even separate it into its constituent parts.


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and La dolce vita are the same film to me, one that I know I've seen but remember so little of that my brain can't even separate it into its constituent parts.
Hmm. Obviously, I found them quite different, primarily in the type of humor and Fellini's affection for his characters. La dolce vita is much more cynical about humanity than .

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La dolce vita is indeed very cynical (it's hard to accuse it of misogyny since the characters are uniformly vacuous) but it's cynical in a poignant, even heartbreaking way, so I don't mind. And the interlude on the beach provides a wonderful respite from the vitriol spewed towards religion, media, aristocracy, and so on.


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And the interlude on the beach provides a wonderful respite from the vitriol spewed towards religion, media, aristocracy, and so on.
A respite, maybe, but it's more evidence of failure and hopelessness.

I hope you come back here after you watch , because I'd really like to talk to someone about the ending of that one.

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Can you please convince me to buy this?


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