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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:13 am

I rewatched Deep Red. I still love it but I may love it a little less than Tenebrae and Suspiria at this point in my life.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:16 am

Sahara - 7/10 - Hadn't seen this one in awhile but since TMC is running all sorts of WWII flicks because of the 75th anniversary of D-Day and since I remember enjoying it last time I thought I'd give it a re-watch. Humphrey Bogart stars as an American tank commander in Libya. He and his crew have been cut off from his unit during a rout by German forces and he keeps coming across soldiers in the same boat. It's a regular UN with British, French, Sudanese (with his Italian prisoner) and a German fighter pilot they also capture along the way. They end up fighting their own personal war over the last water in the region against desperate German troops. This was made at the height of the war so there's plenty of jingoism of course with the requisite number of breaks in the action so that characters can soliloquize about the gallant war effort. If you can get past the conventional storytelling it's an enjoyable enough movie.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:24 am

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Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:33 pm
Baby of Macon really upsets me. One of the rare times where the henious nature of an act overwhelms its message, and me too much that I break away from a film completely,
I mean, it’s the most disturbing scene I’ve seen in any film - and you don’t even see it. Yet I’ve certainly seen far more “heinous acts” in films, but it’s much easier to maintain a “distance”. That is the point, really - IF you are going to represent such a heinous act and it is less disturbing to the audience than The Baby of Macon, THEN you are watering the act down and misrepresenting its seriousness. That this is the case for virtually every film, and many, many films show things that are in fact more heinous, is the point of the film. It’s a damning, damning condemnation of so many films, and calls into question the ability to adequately show anything of the sort in a way that is not inescapably and overwhelmingly upsetting.

If The Baby of Macon says anything, it says that there can be no entertainment that adequately represents such heinous acts, there is only disgust at best, a mournful resignation - and all others settle for deceit and dishonesty.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:53 pm

Wooley wrote:
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I was lucky.
I'm not so sure I wasn't. As others have said, this film is more of a goof (although in terms of establishing a sense of dread, it's a better strictly horror film than Lovers) and probably won't be considered among his stronger efforts. I've also seen reviews which point out that his attempt to tack on Dawn's theme of consumerism is clumsy and, well, tacked on, but it was greatly helped by having so many zombies in the theater as examples (and a lot of F-150s in the parking lot, I might add). I would have been amused either way, but I'm grateful for the living scorn.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Jinnistan » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:28 pm

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm
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Broken Flowers... Only Lovers Left Alive and Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai are all great.
Death Proof wrote:
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I liked Stranger Than Paradise. It's sort of all over the place.
Takoma1 wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:44 pm
I think that Down By Law would be a fine place to start.
Macrology wrote:
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Mystery Train and Dead Man are both full on masterpieces. But almost all of his stuff is enjoyable.
These are all wonderful suggestions. Also his Stooges doc, Gimme Danger (also on Prime, I believe) is also strongly recommended.

I don't see why Dead Man isn't a decent intro. It's probably my favorite of his films, and you might as well get right into the deep end of things.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:36 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:28 pm
I don't see why Dead Man isn't a decent intro. It's probably my favorite of his films, and you might as well get right into the deep end of things.
I usually find it beneficial to get a taste of someone's style before jumping into the deep end, but I understand why some would prefer it the other way.
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Post by Wooley » Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:18 pm

Thief wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:31 pm
Now I'm intrigued :D I have to admit I haven't seen a single Jarmusch film. I consider myself fairly open and tolerant to different styles, but is there any of his films you would recommend as an entry point?
Honestly, I'd be surprised if any cinephile struggled with Dead Don't Die (not that every one will love it), I think it'd be just a fine first Jarmusch.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:42 pm

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:36 pm
I usually find it beneficial to get a taste of someone's style before jumping into the deep end, but I understand why some would prefer it the other way.
It was the first movie of his I ever watched and it immediately converted me. I think it's an ideal introduction. It's not Eraserhead. It's more of a Pilgrim's Progress with a cross dressing Iggy Pop.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:54 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 5:42 pm
It was the first movie of his I ever watched and it immediately converted me. I think it's an ideal introduction. It's not Eraserhead. It's more of a Pilgrim's Progress with a cross dressing Iggy Pop.
Dead Man more or less flew over my head when I first saw it as I was pretty new to Jarmusch. Since then, I've slowly been warming up to it though.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:40 pm

For me Down By Law is Jarmusch being Jarmusch at his best. It's the one I return to the most.

Dead Man for me, while still being very much him, transcends his style and is probably his best film.
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Post by Death Proof » Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:33 pm

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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jun 29, 2019 9:06 pm

If Jarmusch were German I’m guessing nobody here would have ever seen any of his films. God bless America!
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:46 pm

LEAVES wrote:
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If Jarmusch were German I’m guessing nobody here would have ever seen any of his films. God bless America!
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:49 pm

lol as if Jarmusch ever had 1/100th the exposure of Fassbinder

Quick, name your top 5 contemporary German filmmakers, and how many fewer films of theirs you have seen than Jarmusch.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:55 pm

LEAVES wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:49 pm
lol as if Jarmusch ever had 1/100th the exposure of Fassbinder

Quick, name your top 5 contemporary German filmmakers, and how many fewer films of theirs you have seen than Jarmusch.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:23 pm

The point is so obvious as to not even worth being discussed. Jarmusch is like the 50th most watched American indie filmmaker. He defines “inessential”. What a shame that Jarmusch has name recognition and Schanelec only head scratches.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:21 am

LEAVES wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:23 pm
The point is so obvious as to not even worth being discussed. Jarmusch is like the 50th most watched American indie filmmaker. He defines “inessential”. What a shame that Jarmusch has name recognition and Schanelec only head scratches.
This post is self parody, right?
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:38 am

LEAVES wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:23 pm
The point is so obvious as to not even worth being discussed. Jarmusch is like the 50th most watched American indie filmmaker. He defines “inessential”. What a shame that Jarmusch has name recognition and Schanelec only head scratches.
I'm more than happy to learn about Schanelec. Unless talking about Jarmusch is a disqualifier.
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Post by The Nameless One » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:45 am

What's even the point of this discussion? Obviously American films generate more exposure in America, so congratulations I guess for breaking out of that box and spending your time pirating foreign films. Very cool. Every LEAVES post deserves a golf clap
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Post by The Nameless One » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:51 am

Lovesexy did the same thing allll the time. "OMG why are you all talking about *American film* when you can be discussing *Armenian film*", it was very trying.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:30 am

The Nameless One wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:51 am
Lovesexy did the same thing allll the time. "OMG why are you all talking about *American film* when you can be discussing *Armenian film*", it was very trying.
Jesus, this. I couldn't put my finger on why it was so comically obnoxious but you just introduced the hammer to that nail's head.
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Post by LEAVES » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:44 am

The Nameless One wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:51 am
Lovesexy did the same thing allll the time. "OMG why are you all talking about *American film* when you can be discussing *Armenian film*", it was very trying.
I agree that it’s silly.

It’s just not as silly as treating Jarmusch like he’s worth your time.
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Post by LEAVES » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:05 am

Excellent point: even a bad parody of a foreign cinema is more interesting than Jarmusch!
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Post by DaMU » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:29 am

More like Jim Jar-douche.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:33 am

LEAVES wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 10:49 pm
lol as if Jarmusch ever had 1/100th the exposure of Fassbinder

Quick, name your top 5 contemporary German filmmakers, and how many fewer films of theirs you have seen than Jarmusch.
What are you on about?
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Post by Torgo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:54 pm

Schanelec's Places in Cities is an exquisite film that I found to be very moving. Its themes really resonated with me and the acting was uniformly great. It is a deeply philosophical movie that is bound to stay with me for a very long time.

There. Now, back to Jarmusch...
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Post by The Nameless One » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:03 pm

Yeesh, this "Places in Cities" sounds tremendously real... I just can't be arsed with grounded cinema, like, why would I want to spend two hours experiencing a sliver of my reality? That sounds like Hell. Now, I'm not some Jarmusch worshiper but I'd take his heightened sense of reality over "Lonely girl struggles in Paris" any day of the week. Why would you want to subject yourself to that? Of all the precious minutes we have on this planet and you choose to spend it with reality and not exploring the depths of imagination which film is so very capable of plumbing
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:07 pm

I'm not sure I know what's going on here. I'm okay with talking about Schanelec. Just not if that prevents me from discussing Jarmusch.

As for lovesexy, I remember a while ago on RT when we were discussing Fury Road, he said we should discuss Tarkovsky and Hitchcock instead. It was quite random.
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Post by LEAVES » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:57 pm

The Nameless One wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:03 pm
Yeesh, this "Places in Cities" sounds tremendously real... I just can't be arsed with grounded cinema, like, why would I want to spend two hours experiencing a sliver of my reality? That sounds like Hell. Now, I'm not some Jarmusch worshiper but I'd take his heightened sense of reality over "Lonely girl struggles in Paris" any day of the week. Why would you want to subject yourself to that? Of all the precious minutes we have on this planet and you choose to spend it with reality and not exploring the depths of imagination which film is so very capable of plumbing
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Post by LEAVES » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:07 pm
I'm not sure I know what's going on here. I'm okay with talking about Schanelec. Just not if that prevents me from discussing Jarmusch.
Don’t worry, you won’t. You’ll spend it talking about 6th and 7th tier American filmmakers. But it’s nice that in theory you’re OK with it.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:29 pm

DaMU wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:29 am
More like Jim Jar-douche.
Sounds like some kind of homosexual. Americans and their homosexuals.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:33 pm

You know why Macrology has the best threads here? Because instead of shaming us all into talking about photography and lagniappe, Macrology posts about them.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Jun 30, 2019 7:38 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
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You know why Macrology has the best threads here? Because instead of shaming us all into talking about photography and lagniappe, Macrology posts about them.
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Post by Macrology » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:21 pm

Aw shucks, y'all.
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Post by LEAVES » Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
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You know why Macrology has the best threads here? Because instead of shaming us all into talking about photography and lagniappe, Macrology posts about them.
lol funny thing is I have a thread talking about Schanelec.

I don’t see any shaming, other than people calling my post self-parody. It’s possible to comment on people choosing to spend time on things they will probably enjoy far less than other things without it being shaming. Now, sure, I could have said it in a way that didn’t emphasize the absurdity of America-centrism, but that would be boring, and I’m not being paid, so I chose the lulz. lulz are not the same as shaming. There’s nuance in the world. Just not in a Jarmusch film lulz.

You can all try shaming me if you want, though. Probably not gonna work.
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Post by topherH » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:51 pm

So Leaves doesn't like Jarmusch......?
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LEAVES wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 pm
lol funny thing is I have a thread talking about Schanelec.

I don’t see any shaming, other than people calling my post self-parody. It’s possible to comment on people choosing to spend time on things they will probably enjoy far less than other things without it being shaming. Now, sure, I could have said it in a way that didn’t emphasize the absurdity of America-centrism, but that would be boring, and I’m not being paid, so I chose the lulz. lulz are not the same as shaming. There’s nuance in the world. Just not in a Jarmusch film lulz.

You can all try shaming me if you want, though. Probably not gonna work.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:23 am

topherH wrote:
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So Leaves doesn't like Jarmusch......?
If he were German and we didn't watch him, I suspect he'd like him a great deal.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:36 am

I would've given an indication of what you were going for a while ago since it was clear that none of us were picking up on what you were giving us.

What we said was a normal reaction to your posts.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:41 am

LEAVES wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:44 pm
lol funny thing is I have a thread talking about Schanelec.

I don’t see any shaming, other than people calling my post self-parody. It’s possible to comment on people choosing to spend time on things they will probably enjoy far less than other things without it being shaming. Now, sure, I could have said it in a way that didn’t emphasize the absurdity of America-centrism, but that would be boring, and I’m not being paid, so I chose the lulz. lulz are not the same as shaming. There’s nuance in the world. Just not in a Jarmusch film lulz.

You can all try shaming me if you want, though. Probably not gonna work.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:41 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
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What kind of lulz were you hoping you were achieving?
I think the kind where he gets attention.
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Wooley wrote:
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I think the kind where he gets attention.
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Post by Torgo » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:15 am

I could sure use a good lagniappe right now. Mmm, lagniappe.
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Post by The Nameless One » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:17 am

LEAVES wrote:
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Glad we’re all serving up self parody now!
I was hoping for a sincere argument. Seriously, what do you get out of that shit?
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Post by DaMU » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:43 am

Unsure why this forum is descending into satire when you could all instead be watching Vera Chytilova's seminal 1966 Czech satire Daisies.
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Post by Takoma1 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:43 am

The Spy Who Dumped Me

I really enjoyed this one, though I do love Kate McKinnon so my score might be a bit higher than everyone else's.

The plot follows friends Morgan and Audrey. Audrey's boyfriend, Drew, has disappeared and through various complications the women discover that Drew is a spy. When they are all attacked and Drew is shot, Audrey and Morgan go to Europe in order to complete Drew's mission.

This movie was, in many parts, the kind of humor that I really enjoy. There were a few places where the writing was a little weak, or where a punchline didn't quite land, but overall I thought it was really funny. Kunis and McKinnon have really good friend chemistry. It was nice to see a film where the two women were buddies and nothing really came between them. I especially appreciated that there was no "fighting over a man" dynamic.

I also really enjoyed the secondary cast, which included Hassan Minhaj, Gillian Anderson, Jane Curtin, Paul Reiser, Fred Melamed, Olafur Olafsson (the latter two I mainly know from Lady Dynamite).

The vibe of the film made me think of the recent 21 Jump Street films. It's goofy, mildly crude fun. There are some great odd touches to the characters, such as Morgan's compulsive need to phone her parents, or the disgraced gymnast-turned-assassin who stalks them.

I would say that the one piece that didn't work for me was the film's odd approach to the character of Morgan when it comes to romance. As the film goes on, we see a lot of Audrey's love life. We get flashbacks of her relationship with Drew, and in the present we see her developing affection for a British spy, Sebastian, who helps the women in their mission. Morgan is shown to have brought a man home to the apartment and it is . . . not believable. McKinnon is unabashedly queer, and this comes through pretty authentically in Morgan's instant crush on Gillian Anderson's spy director. Why not . . . just let her character be gay? A quick google search turns up an interview in which the director confirms that "it's sort of obvious to most people", but there's this weird sense that her sexuality is deliberately being left unspoken. It's that classic dynamic where the gay character is sort of neutered and it's frustrating.

I went into this one with low expectations and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:08 am

DaMU wrote:
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Unsure why this forum is descending into satire when you could all instead be watching Vera Chytilova's seminal 1966 Czech satire Daisies.
I was too busy getting that one in crummy's screen cap contest.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:18 am

Takoma1 wrote:
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The Spy Who Dumped Me

I really enjoyed this one, though I do love Kate McKinnon so my score might be a bit higher than everyone else's.

The plot follows friends Morgan and Audrey. Audrey's boyfriend, Drew, has disappeared and through various complications the women discover that Drew is a spy. When they are all attacked and Drew is shot, Audrey and Morgan go to Europe in order to complete Drew's mission.

This movie was, in many parts, the kind of humor that I really enjoy. There were a few places where the writing was a little weak, or where a punchline didn't quite land, but overall I thought it was really funny. Kunis and McKinnon have really good friend chemistry. It was nice to see a film where the two women were buddies and nothing really came between them. I especially appreciated that there was no "fighting over a man" dynamic.

I also really enjoyed the secondary cast, which included Hassan Minhaj, Gillian Anderson, Jane Curtin, Paul Reiser, Fred Melamed, Olafur Olafsson (the latter two I mainly know from Lady Dynamite).

The vibe of the film made me think of the recent 21 Jump Street films. It's goofy, mildly crude fun. There are some great odd touches to the characters, such as Morgan's compulsive need to phone her parents, or the disgraced gymnast-turned-assassin who stalks them.

I would say that the one piece that didn't work for me was the film's odd approach to the character of Morgan when it comes to romance. As the film goes on, we see a lot of Audrey's love life. We get flashbacks of her relationship with Drew, and in the present we see her developing affection for a British spy, Sebastian, who helps the women in their mission. Morgan is shown to have brought a man home to the apartment and it is . . . not believable. McKinnon is unabashedly queer, and this comes through pretty authentically in Morgan's instant crush on Gillian Anderson's spy director. Why not . . . just let her character be gay? A quick google search turns up an interview in which the director confirms that "it's sort of obvious to most people", but there's this weird sense that her sexuality is deliberately being left unspoken. It's that classic dynamic where the gay character is sort of neutered and it's frustrating.

I went into this one with low expectations and I was pleasantly surprised.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by LEAVES » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:08 am

The Nameless One wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:17 am
I was hoping for a sincere argument. Seriously, what do you get out of that shit?
lol I don’t argue my opinions, I share them.

I’m also waaaaaaaaaaaay more drawn to expressionism than realism. Hence, Zulawski, Greenaway, Sokurov being my favorites. Schanelec is not to my most prominent tastes. She just happens to be too good to ignore. And there are many more like her - Germany was a random selection.

Schanelec is perhaps the best filmmaker in the world at using ellipsis, narrative schisms, and opaquely parallel narratives. She’s far more of an experimental formalist than a realist - she was called the “poetess of emptiness”, after all, not the “realest realist”. She also happens to be the best realist filmmaker I know of at the same time, but that’s just a side element. Girl’s got skills.

As for what there is to like about that sort of thing, I’ll direct you to “the internet”. Lots of people have written a lot of fascinating things. I see absolutely no hope of having an interesting conversation with you on the topic given your statements, and since you’re not paying me you’ll just have to settle for that. Or use the search, since I have written about her work several times...
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