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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:16 pm

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Look at all of that hilarity he inspires.
Hashtag real quick, you're being a NARC right now, dude, straight up. You're like ignoring me and eating Chipotle in my face and you know I'm on a hunger strike.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:28 pm

Andre is a lot like Green in a bunch of ways, both good and bad. They are both pretty hit and miss with me. But the Pauly D doppelganger shit on the Eric Andre Show is perfectly insane.

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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 pm

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the Eric Andre Show is perfectly insane.
This is all you needed to say to be correct, crummy.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by crumbsroom » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:44 pm

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Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:34 pm
This is all you needed to say to be correct, crummy.
When it's good it's pretty great, but some times I feel it just veers to close to a kind of dull obnoxiousness. Just like Green would do.

Green didn't have Hannibal Buress standing without a chair every episode though so...Andre gets the edge there.

Andre's field pieces aren't nearly as good as Greens were though.

They're really two sides of the same coin, and I'm happy that we have both of them.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Jinnistan » Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 pm

I love comedians whose fans demand obedience.

I wish I could laugh about it.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:52 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:49 pm
I love comedians whose fans demand obedience.

I wish I could laugh about it.
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Post by Stu » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:51 am

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Ad Astra - 9/10

James Gray has assembled a mighty sci-fi amalgamation here: with some luscious Kubrick-worthy compositions, the kind of existential dread that I hope makes Christopher Nolan cry, and, slight spoiler
a more intelligent and mature rendition of Lucas' Freudian mythos.
Obviously this film is no 2001, nor does it try to be (although it could be confused for a Villenueve attempt), so I'll focus on how much more successful this film is than Interstellar because there are some superficial similarities: both involve a world-threatening crisis, a massive and morally ambiguous government (or corporate - I haven't quite gotten a full understanding of this "space corps") secret mission, and a protagonist who is right at the end of his hopeful rope. In order, Astra's crisis (and the government's response to it) is far more believably portrayed, and our protagonist's dilemma more emotionally resonant and developed. To top it off (again, effective enough to make Nolan cry, one hopes), the film's action scenes are sharper and more tense, if a little silly at times.
(Moon pirates?)
And instead of retreating into pseudo-spiritual woo, the film offers a more implicit message of love which in addition to being less corny is done in a way that has dramatic implications that transcend banal family ties.
"We're all we've got" proves a more powerful statement of human will in the face of potential extinction in an era when so many have chosen to look to external gods like aliens and A.I. to solve our problems for us and pretending that they won't make them worse.
It seems like it's been such a long time in our cynical era of apocalyptic porn that an intelligent science fiction film dared to care about human purpose.
I just got back from Ad Astra myself, and I can't say that I felt it lived to 100% of its full potential, due to a number of medium-sized flaws such as an unnecessary amount of tonal whiplash between the film's stately, "majesty of space" astral vistas, and the more visceral, blockbuster-style thrills it tries to cram in (such as a jarring detour the film takes into eco-horror halfway through), or the character development and emotional dynamics between Roy and his father/wife feeling vague and underdeveloped, and almost as detached as the literal distances between the people themselves (the slim scraps of Colonel Kurtz-meets-Doctor Manhattan characterization for the elder McBride in particular felt kind of half-hearted, and somewhat undermined a final moral thesis that the film attempts to deliver at the end), which ties into the film's biggest problem, which is its over-reliance on telling versus showing, with a bit too much unnecessary exposition which felt written more for our enlightment than the characters', and way too much of Pitt's constant, boilerplate, wannabe-philosophical voice-overed ramblings, which felt like they were to try to force the film into having an illusion of a greater depth that it could've earned with a softer narrative touch (you'd think that for all of the film's similarities to/influences from First Man/2001, that it could've resembled those superior films a bit more in this regard, and maybe not have Pitt tell us how crass the commercialization of the Moon is when we can so easily see that for ourselves with the replication of the Vegas Vic billboard visible on the lunar surface).

However, all that being said, I still liked Astra on the whole, seeing as how Sci-Fi is my favorite genre, so I couldn't help but enjoy the film's vivid conceptualizations of the look/technology of a potential "near future", I appreciated the film's basic existence in a sea of Hollywood franchises as a wholly original, mid-budget production aimed squarely at adults, and taken purely on a sensory level, it was an all-immersive experience, with its incredibly moody, shifting, saturated lighting, rich, full-bore, worlds-building production design and effects, and its elegant, ethereal cinematography displaying the inherent beauty of the zero-G balletics, while also capturing the immense, cold terror of lying within the endless void called space. So, even though it was a somewhat problematic film, it was still a undeniably memorable one, and a worthwhile trip to the stars (and the cinema) in the end.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Wooley » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:05 pm

Stu wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:51 am
I just got back from Ad Astra myself, and I can't say that I felt it lived to 100% of its full potential, due to a number of medium-sized flaws such as an unnecessary amount of tonal whiplash between the film's stately, "majesty of space" astral vistas, and the more visceral, blockbuster-style thrills it tries to cram in...
This was my biggest concern going into the film and the reason I haven't dragged my carcass out there to see it.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Patrick McGroin » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:34 pm

Bone Tomahawk - 8/10 - This started out a little rough and looking like the low ($1.8 million) budgeter that it was. But then the top shelf cast (Kurt Russell and Richard Jenkins among others) wins you over despite all the direct-to-video trappings of modest sets, incongruous wardrobe and somewhat clunky and arty dialogue. A Coen bros. western this is not. But by the end you're fully invested in the film. And it did manage to attract all sorts of talent with Patrick Wilson and Matthew Fox also starring along with David Arquette and Sid Haig in smaller roles and Michael Pare and Sean Young in blink-and-you'll-miss-them cameos. Jim Broadbent was also willing to replace Jenkins so the script couldn't have been all bad.
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Post by Takoma1 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:21 pm

Midnight Special was pretty good. I did feel like it saved too much of its emotional heft for its final third. In those last 30 or so minutes the character connections and the acting prowess of Shannon, Dunst, and Edgerton was really able to shine in a wonderfully subdued way. I think it's a shame that the film didn't quite seem to use Adam Driver to his full potential.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Patrick McGroin » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm

How would you rate or categorize these movies?
I have a list of movies I really want to see on Netflix, Amazon Prime plus a miscellaneous few that I never got around to watching but are available on an HD streaming site I stumbled across. My actual playlists are much bigger of course but these are the ones I heard a lot of great things or am curious about. Which one would you watch first? (and so on) I've already seen You Were Never Really Here and Bone Tomahawk but the rest (in no particular order) are:
Netflix

The Witch
Green Room
Ex Machina
Moonlight
Room
Roma

Amazon Prime

Good Time
The Florida Project
Paterson
The Big Sick
Lady Bird
A Quiet Place
Hereditary

Miscellaneous

Hunt for the Wilder People
Colossal
Overlord
Brightburn
Free Fire
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by crumbsroom » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:44 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm
How would you rate or categorize these movies?
I have a list of movies I really want to see on Netflix, Amazon Prime plus a miscellaneous few that I never got around to watching but are available on an HD streaming site I stumbled across. My actual playlists are much bigger of course but these are the ones I heard a lot of great things or am curious about. Which one would you watch first? (and so on) I've already seen You Were Never Really Here and Bone Tomahawk but the rest (in no particular order) are:
Netflix

The Witch
Green Room
Ex Machina
Moonlight
Room
Roma

Amazon Prime

Good Time
The Florida Project
Paterson
The Big Sick
Lady Bird
A Quiet Place
Hereditary

Miscellaneous

Hunt for the Wilder People
Colossal
Overlord
Brightburn
Free Fire
Florida Project and Moonlight are the two best on this list (haven't seen Roma)

Hereditary and Witch are rightfully listed as two of the best horror films of the last decade.

Lady Bird lives up to critical hype and Hunt for Wilder People should not be ignored.
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Post by Macrology » Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:46 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:44 am
Florida Project and Moonlight are the two best on this list (haven't seen Roma)

Hereditary and Witch are rightfully listed as two of the best horror films of the last decade.

Lady Bird lives up to critical hype and Hunt for Wilder People should not be ignored.
Agreed (at least about the first four, haven't seen the other two). I also think Roma is pretty fantastic. Easily the best thing Cuarón has done.
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Post by Takoma1 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:37 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm

Netflix

The Witch-- Pretty good horror, but a touch divisive in terms of love it/hate it.
Green Room --Haven't seen (still really sad about Yelchin), but I've heard really good things.
Ex Machina--Good (but not great) thriller. Performances are amazing, though.
Moonlight --A must-see.
Room--Also a must-see
Roma--Haven't seen but want to.

Amazon Prime

Good Time-- Haven't seen, but have heard good stuff.
The Florida Project--Also a must-see.
Paterson-- Started and it didn't grip me, but I want to give it another shot
The Big Sick -- Haven't seen, but heard it's okay/good.
Lady Bird--Really good.
A Quiet Place --I didn't love it, but worth watching.
Hereditary--Really solid horror.

Miscellaneous

Hunt for the Wilder People--On my to-see list
Colossal--Heard mixed things.
Overlord -- Haven't heard of it.
Brightburn -- I'm kind of burned out on new takes on hero stories, but I think it got decent reviews?
Free Fire--I really liked it, but I know others didn't. I'd still recommend it, though!
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Post by Macrology » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:51 am

I'm assuming this is the new Overlord (which I haven't seen) and not the 1975 film Overlord (which is interesting).
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Post by DaMU » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:58 am

The Witch - Worth it.
Green Room - ESSENTIAL.
Room - Not bad.
Roma - Worth it.

The Florida Project - ESSENTIAL.
The Big Sick - Not bad.
A Quiet Place - Not bad.
Hereditary - Worth it.

Hunt for the Wilder People - Really worth it.
Colossal - ESSENTIAL
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Post by Takoma1 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:03 am

DaMU wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:58 am
Colossal - ESSENTIAL
Really?! 'Splain!
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Post by DaMU » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:36 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:03 am
Really?! 'Splain!
I love it? Like, I love its sensibility of putting together a low human-size drama with a seemingly incongruent monster movie and finding what unifies them, I think Hathaway gives a great performance as a total hot mess of a human being who (very slowly and plausibly) tries to get her life together, while Jason Sudeikis does the best work of his career as a multidimensional "nice guy."

Did you see it? I feel like we've discussed before.

EDIT: Damn it, we discussed this in May of last year. That's over a year Colossal hasn't been in your life!

[I'll modulate now: it's a good flick. Worth watching.]
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Post by Wooley » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:03 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm
How would you rate or categorize these movies?
I have a list of movies I really want to see on Netflix, Amazon Prime plus a miscellaneous few that I never got around to watching but are available on an HD streaming site I stumbled across. My actual playlists are much bigger of course but these are the ones I heard a lot of great things or am curious about. Which one would you watch first? (and so on) I've already seen You Were Never Really Here and Bone Tomahawk but the rest (in no particular order) are:
Netflix

The Witch

Ex Machina

Amazon Prime

Lady Bird
A Quiet Place
Hereditary
The Witch and Ex Machina were maybe my favorite (non-Marvel) films of their respective years (full disclosure, I have not seen Moonlight).
I was a little underwhelmed by Lady Bird, but I think it was because expectations were too high. People were describing it as like generationally good. It's good.
I was disappointed by what I thought was a somewhat dumb script in A Quiet Place, just more than one major plot-point that I found too clumsy to give a pass.
Hereditary was very, very good but I had to take at least a point, if not two off for things I can't tell you about. One of the best performances in recent memory by Toni Collette, I thought they should have actually driven the Oscar to her house and hand-delivered it, but instead she was not even nominated.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:03 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm
How would you rate or categorize these movies?
I have a list of movies I really want to see on Netflix, Amazon Prime plus a miscellaneous few that I never got around to watching but are available on an HD streaming site I stumbled across. My actual playlists are much bigger of course but these are the ones I heard a lot of great things or am curious about. Which one would you watch first? (and so on) I've already seen You Were Never Really Here and Bone Tomahawk but the rest (in no particular order) are:
Netflix

The Witch
Moonlight
Room
Roma

Amazon Prime

Good Time
The Florida Project
Paterson
A Quiet Place
Hereditary
I'd say that all the films on there are really good/great. Moonlight and The Florida Project are my favorites from that bunch. Also, Roma and Hereditary are fantastic. I'd watch all of those though.
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Post by LEAVES » Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:28 am

Room is absolute bottom-of-the-barrel misery porn
Roma is great looking, occasionally hilariously contrived, insulting misery porn
Moonlight is amazing, despite a little bit of contrived hilarity

Those three should never be listed together!

Oh, wait, I did it, too? Damn!

Lady Bird is a film that exists to remind you to watch less cliche films about young women, like Our Little Sister or Goodybe, First Love or The Holy Girl or Margaret or...

Ex Machina is fun, if dumb
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Post by Slentert » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:36 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm
Netflix

The Witch
Really good, interesting but slow horror movie. Can't promise you will love it, but it worth giving a chance.
Green Room
Fucking awesome. One of the most tense thrillers of the last 15 years or so.
Ex Machina
Good, but not the "genre-defining masterpiece" a lot of people make it out to be.
Moonlight
The best Best Picture Winner of the decade. That might not be saying much, but it's great.
Room
I like it, but I remember having some problems with it (don't ask me what kind tho, too long ago). Great performances.
Roma
Not the masterpiece everyone else sees in it, but I was really impressed by it.

Amazon Prime

Good Time
Haven't seen this one yet but only heard good things.
The Florida Project
Love this movie.
Paterson
And I love this movie as well.
The Big Sick
Funny, emotional, somewhat cliché. It's a Judd Appatow production, so it runs about 20 minutes too long.
Lady Bird
I like it, but I think Gerwig has written better things, like Mistress America which is one of funniest movies of the decade.
A Quiet Place
It was a fun watch in the theater, but the story doesn't have much meat on its bones.
Hereditary
Not a fan, but at least it is trying to do something interesting, so it is still worth seeing I think.

Miscellaneous

Hunt for the Wilder People
So fucking funny. An enormous amount of fun.
Colossal
Not seen it.
Overlord
Not seen it.
Brightburn
Not seen it.
Free Fire
One of those action movies where the action is the least interesting part of it. But man, it is so much fun to see these actors and their characters play of eachother.
So I guess my top 5 would be:

1. Green Room
2. Paterson
3. Moonlight
4. Hunt for the Wilder People
5. The Florida Project
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Post by Thief » Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:00 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:40 pm
Netflix

The Witch
Green Room
Ex Machina
Moonlight
Room
Roma

Amazon Prime

The Big Sick
Lady Bird
A Quiet Place
Those are the ones I've seen and I would recommend them all to varying degrees. Moonlight is the best of the bunch, followed closely by Roma and Room.

The Witch and Green Room are two of the best recent horror/suspense/thriller films out there. A Quiet Place is not as good as those, but it's pretty good and worth a watch.

Ex Machina is a really smart sci-fi with some great performances (particularly Isaac and Vikander).

The Big Sick was really touching and funny. Probably one of the best rom-coms of the last years.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:10 pm

I think I'm the most vocal critic of The Witch here, so I want to point out that I really enjoy the film for its sensual, evocative qualities, and I still recommend watching it.

I would only advise against overreading a lot of our contemporary politics into it.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:16 pm

Takoma wrote:Paterson-- Started and it didn't grip me, but I want to give it another shot
It's as dry as one should expect from Jarmusch, and without the quirky humor that helps temper that dryness in his other films.

Still, the film does wrap up very nicely, and the banality of the character (and the pace of the plot) becomes an important aspect of its theme. It's a better film once you finish and it and can stand back from it to see the larger picture.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:20 pm

And everyone should see Good Time. Not the best film on the list, but the one that appears to be the least seen.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:11 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:10 pm
I think I'm the most vocal critic of The Witch here, so I want to point out that I really enjoy the film for its sensual, evocative qualities, and I still recommend watching it.

I would only advise against overreading a lot of our contemporary politics into it.
Would you say your issues with the patriarchal reading of the film (and, just for the record, I agree that this reading doesn't hold up) is more on the critics reading too deep into the film's themes or do you think the film is also at fault for this?
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:28 pm

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Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:11 pm
Would you say your issues with the patriarchal reading of the film (and, just for the record, I agree that this reading doesn't hold up) is more on the critics reading too deep into the film's themes or do you think the film is also at fault for this?
No, I don't see any explicit evidence for this reading in the film itself. Eggers, in interviews, has not weighed in one way or another, or rather has shied away from the question, so I'm not sure what his intention was. But this reading was ubiquitous in reviews and discussion after the film to a degree where it's almost taken as a point of fact.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:39 pm

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No, I don't see any explicit evidence for this reading in the film itself. Eggers, in interviews, has not weighed in one way or another, or rather has shied away from the question, so I'm not sure what his intention was. But this reading was ubiquitous in reviews and discussion after the film to a degree where it's almost taken as a point of fact.
Okay, that's fair. When I revisited the film over the summer, I wasn't paying attention to a political message of any kind and instead just treated it as an atmospheric, creepy horror film. I'm fine with that as I feel like the film is much more enjoyable that way.
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Post by DaMU » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:33 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:10 pm
I think I'm the most vocal critic of The Witch here, so I want to point out that I really enjoy the film for its sensual, evocative qualities, and I still recommend watching it.

I would only advise against overreading a lot of our contemporary politics into it.
We're on about the same level regarding the film. Worth a watch, but not without some issues beneath the surface.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:36 pm

The Witch is probably tied as my favorite horror film of the decade with It Follows and MAYBE Green Room, though I’m more inclined to slide that bad boy into the thriller genre.
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Post by Thief » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:46 pm

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The Witch is probably tied as my favorite horror film of the decade with It Follows and MAYBE Green Room, though I’m more inclined to slide that bad boy into the thriller genre.
I haven't seen It Follows, but I agree with the sentiment, more or less. Easily on my Top 5 horror films of the decade.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:25 pm

Haven't seen Green Room yet. I don't know what my favorite horror film of this decade is. It's either Under the Skin, The Witch, The Babadook, or Hereditary.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:03 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:16 pm
It's as dry as one should expect from Jarmusch, and without the quirky humor that helps temper that dryness in his other films.

Still, the film does wrap up very nicely, and the banality of the character (and the pace of the plot) becomes an important aspect of its theme. It's a better film once you finish and it and can stand back from it to see the larger picture.
I just made the mistake of starting it on a night when I was tired and needed something more stimulating than a nuanced character study. Nothing against nuanced character studies. They just aren't maybe the best choice for me late on a Friday.
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Okay, that's fair. When I revisited the film over the summer, I wasn't paying attention to a political message of any kind and instead just treated it as an atmospheric, creepy horror film. I'm fine with that as I feel like the film is much more enjoyable that way.
Acknowledging that patriarchy plays a big role in what happens to the family isn't political, though. The film takes place at a time where the father of the family makes a decision and the rest of the family has zero say in it, and also in which female sexuality and autonomy were seen as being gross and suspicious. That historical context is important to the film. I don't think that the film is explicitly a critique of patriarchy, but clearly several elements of patriarchy are to blame for the family's misfortunes.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:30 pm

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Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:03 pm
Acknowledging that patriarchy plays a big role in what happens to the family isn't political, though. The film takes place at a time where the father of the family makes a decision and the rest of the family has zero say in it, and also in which female sexuality and autonomy were seen as being gross and suspicious. That historical context is important to the film. I don't think that the film is explicitly a critique of patriarchy, but clearly several elements of patriarchy are to blame for the family's misfortunes.
The question then becomes
whether this witch would have been less inclined to prey on this family had it happened to have not been a patriarchy. Would a more egalitarian unit - for the time period, let's say Quakers - have better defended themselves from this evil? Doesn't this witch represent the manifestation of these "gross and suspicious" superstitions, which are less to blame for their misfortunes so much as literally the misfortune itself?
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:20 am

What’s the opinion on Hagazussa? I definitely admired it and it falls under the increasing number of very slow burns that use horror to explore psychologically damaged women (Blackcoat’s Daughter and Eyes of My Mother jump to mind as other recent ruminations on the Repulsion archetype) but I feel I was much too tired to properly appreciate it. I found the ending provocative but possibly damaging to the film overall.

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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:21 am

Thief wrote:
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I haven't seen It Follows, but I agree with the sentiment, more or less. Easily on my Top 5 horror films of the decade.
Man, you gotta check out It Follows. Of all the 80’s throwback nostalgia going on, it’s by far the greatest and, I feel, could go toe to toe with just about any classic from that era.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Thief » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:32 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:21 am
Man, you gotta check out It Follows. Of all the 80’s throwback nostalgia going on, it’s by far the greatest and, I feel, could go toe to toe with just about any classic from that era.
Yeah, I've read good things about it. Maybe I can make space for it in October.
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Re: Recently Seen

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ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:20 am
What’s the opinion on Hagazussa? I definitely admired it and it falls under the increasing number of very slow burns that use horror to explore psychologically damaged women (Blackcoat’s Daughter and Eyes of My Mother jump to mind as other recent ruminations on the Repulsion archetype) but I feel I was much too tired to properly appreciate it. I found the ending provocative but possibly damaging to the film overall.

I need opinions.
Pretty much my reaction. Enjoyed the overall vibe but I didn't really take much from it, in terms of theme or plot. I also felt like I slept-watched through some of it, so maybe that's the movie and not us. I intend to give it another shot some day.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:13 am

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The question then becomes
whether this witch would have been less inclined to prey on this family had it happened to have not been a patriarchy. Would a more egalitarian unit - for the time period, let's say Quakers - have better defended themselves from this evil? Doesn't this witch represent the manifestation of these "gross and suspicious" superstitions, which are less to blame for their misfortunes so much as literally the misfortune itself?

Not at all.
But the historical context of the patriarchy outlines the particular set of vulnerabilities that this family encounters. Dad decides he's upset, so the whole family has to go live in isolation in the woods. Cool. Sexual repression (driven by a male-centric church system) also makes the family--and especially the son--vulnerable. The female body is seen as a temptation and a weakness. A "good" wife/daughter does not question the man of the house.

In the end, the main character has a choice: her soul will belong to a man, but in one version of that she gets to be powerful. This is a conflict born of having lived and suffered under a male-centric society.

I also happen to think that one possible explanation for what happens to the family is a sort of mass delusion. The things that happen are such crude exaggerations of their own fears and desires.

The fallacies of the patriarchy aren't necessarily the film's thesis, but I would argue that it's a critical part of its structure. A witch could certainly still prey on a group of democratic hippie-people, but I'd imagine that it would look very different. There would be a whole other set of insecurities to exploit.
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Post by Wooley » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:30 am

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I think I'm the most vocal critic of The Witch here, so I want to point out that I really enjoy the film for its sensual, evocative qualities, and I still recommend watching it.

I would only advise against overreading a lot of our contemporary politics into it.
Ya know, I never read any politics into it.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:32 am

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Acknowledging that patriarchy plays a big role in what happens to the family isn't political, though. The film takes place at a time where the father of the family makes a decision and the rest of the family has zero say in it, and also in which female sexuality and autonomy were seen as being gross and suspicious. That historical context is important to the film. I don't think that the film is explicitly a critique of patriarchy, but clearly several elements of patriarchy are to blame for the family's misfortunes.
I don't mean to imply that patriarchy doesn't influence anything which happens to the family. Sorry if my wording was unclear. By "political", what I meant was that I didn't follow the
liberation from patriarchy reading when I rewatched it. I agree with you that certain actions which the characters take play a part in their demise.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:51 am

A sincere thank you to everyone who took the time to provide input. I will eventually watch all of the movies I listed but I just wanted a rough outline idea of which one or ones to start with. As near as I can tell that would probably be The Florida Project. Not that I'm saying it's the best of the lot but the aggregate favors it. I tried using my own algorithm but it kept coming up with The Emoji Movie.

Oh and I'd also like to add Take Shelter under miscellaneous. I've seen Nichols' Loving and Midnight Special and really liked his Shotgun Stories and will watch anything with Michael Shannon so...yeah.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:00 am

Take Shelter is also really good.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:04 am

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I'm assuming this is the new Overlord (which I haven't seen) and not the 1975 film Overlord (which is interesting).
Yes. I watched about a half hour of it and was interrupted and I haven't had the time to get back to it. From the trailers it supposed to be a World War II/horror hybrid and what I did watch did a decent enough job of covering the WWII part (but only if incongruities don't bother you). Anyway I'm a big fan of Lodge 49 on AMC and the movie does star Wyatt Russell so I do plan on finishing it.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:52 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:32 am
I don't mean to imply that patriarchy doesn't influence anything which happens to the family. Sorry if my wording was unclear. By "political", what I meant was that I didn't follow the
liberation from patriarchy reading when I rewatched it. I agree with you that certain actions which the characters take play a part in their demise.
I don't think that reading the ending as
"freedom from the patriarchy" is that much of a stretch. Actually, I think that it's more akin to ideas like women who become strippers or sex workers where they are still working within the patriarchy but have some degree of power within that structure.

Choosing to sign up with Satan might be, ironically, the lesser of two evils for the main character. After all, if someone's basically going to own you and your destiny, why not pick the version where you get to have power? The seduction staging of the whole final scene, the language use, the signing of a book all harken pretty explicitly to marriage. When women got married back then (and to a degree still now), their was a lot of erasure--their names, their money, their ability to make autonomous decisions were all absorbed into the male authority of their husbands. We see this in multiple ways in the film, such as the husband's decision to sell his wife's family heirloom to buy more hunting supplies--even allowing his own daughter to be punished by the mother for it.

Now, that said, I do think that the film can serve just fine as a spooky story about Satan just destroying a family from the inside out. The narrative/visual element of it functions perfectly well on its own. So if you aren't think about gender politics while you watch, it's not like "Oh, they didn't get it". But I also think that the film lends itself REALLY easily to interpretations that do focus on the gender elements at play. I also think that you could focus on it in terms of a theme of repression and what it means to have people living under a religion/way of life that they follow without their heart really being in it.

I'm fine with however people want to watch it. But if you say "What does GENDER have to do with anything?! It's just a movie!!" then I think you're ignoring some really important and obvious elements in the story.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:25 pm

The Witch also works as...
a bunch of paranoid, scared Puritans suffering from ergot poisoning sharing a psychosis, which is why the "Witch" is a manifestation of their specific beliefs, repressions and fears.
It's a very satisfying film to pick at from various lenses.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:56 pm

Takoma1 wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:52 am
I don't think that reading the ending as
"freedom from the patriarchy" is that much of a stretch. Actually, I think that it's more akin to ideas like women who become strippers or sex workers where they are still working within the patriarchy but have some degree of power within that structure.

Choosing to sign up with Satan might be, ironically, the lesser of two evils for the main character. After all, if someone's basically going to own you and your destiny, why not pick the version where you get to have power? The seduction staging of the whole final scene, the language use, the signing of a book all harken pretty explicitly to marriage. When women got married back then (and to a degree still now), their was a lot of erasure--their names, their money, their ability to make autonomous decisions were all absorbed into the male authority of their husbands. We see this in multiple ways in the film, such as the husband's decision to sell his wife's family heirloom to buy more hunting supplies--even allowing his own daughter to be punished by the mother for it.

Now, that said, I do think that the film can serve just fine as a spooky story about Satan just destroying a family from the inside out. The narrative/visual element of it functions perfectly well on its own. So if you aren't think about gender politics while you watch, it's not like "Oh, they didn't get it". But I also think that the film lends itself REALLY easily to interpretations that do focus on the gender elements at play. I also think that you could focus on it in terms of a theme of repression and what it means to have people living under a religion/way of life that they follow without their heart really being in it.

I'm fine with however people want to watch it. But if you say "What does GENDER have to do with anything?! It's just a movie!!" then I think you're ignoring some really important and obvious elements in the story.
That's a fair point.
Initially, I was a bit skeptical on the idea of liberation through being a witch since Thomasin would've had to resort to killing children and babies herself, but I suppose if you're pushed down enough and treated the way Thomasin is in the film, things like that probably wouldn't bother you as much. Maybe I'll revisit this one before watching The Lighthouse, or maybe not, but if I do, I'll consider this reading to see how it effects my viewing.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by LEAVES » Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:14 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:51 am
A sincere thank you to everyone who took the time to provide input. I will eventually watch all of the movies I listed but I just wanted a rough outline idea of which one or ones to start with. As near as I can tell that would probably be The Florida Project. Not that I'm saying it's the best of the lot but the aggregate favors it. I tried using my own algorithm but it coming up with The Emoji Movie.

Oh and I'd also like to add Take Shelter under miscellaneous. I've seen Nichols' Loving and Midnight Special and really liked his Shotgun Stories and will watch anything with Michael Shannon so...yeah.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by crumbsroom » Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:38 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:51 am
Not that I'm saying it's the best of the lot
It's okay to say this even before you see it because it is truth.

Rewatched it two nights ago and I've been reduced to a state of telling everyone I run into they must watch it immediately. I'm sure its incredibly annoying, but I'm doing it out of concern for their best interests.
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