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Post by crumbsroom » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:38 am

I haven't seen Goodbye to Language, and the only recent film of his I've seen was Film Socialisme. Not getting a foothold is a good way to put it. I didn't hate watching it, but I was frequently wondering if I was getting anything out of it. But I suppose I've felt that way towards most of what I've seen of Godard post 1970 (with maybe the exception of Hail Mary and, erg, Detective?)
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Post by Takoma1 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:53 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:38 am
I didn't hate watching it, but I was frequently wondering if I was getting anything out of it.
Right. And not to be melodramatic, but I'm anxious and isolated and so watching something that was actively resisting any kind of connection was frustrating and even a little anxiety-producing. Like, thank god for the dog.
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Post by crumbsroom » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:57 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:53 am
Right. And not to be melodramatic, but I'm anxious and isolated and so watching something that was actively resisting any kind of connection was frustrating and even a little anxiety-producing. Like, thank god for the dog.
Staying in a place with three cats and a dog (plus my cat) gives me all the emotional connections I need to plow through every late period Godard.

But I won't
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:08 am

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I liked Beast alright when I first watched it, but was underwhelmed. Liked it a lot more on this second viewing after your rec. A strong samurai outing.

I hold Samurai Rebellion high, though it's been a long time. In Kobayashi news, I rewatched Harakiri again recently (it was a samurai kick) which was just cemented as a masterpiece. I've shrugged off whatever nits I once picked and forgot.
I felt confident in my feeling and those memories to recommend it as they were great. But it could certainly use some dusting off.


Samurai Rebellion is probably my favorite chanbara film not directed by Kurosawa (Harakiri is its closest competition so Kobayashi is the man. After that... Sword of Doom?)

SR has a moment of quiet badassery that gets me pumped.

It's when...
The father and son are spreading hay on the floor and someone asks why, the father, perfectly played by Mifune, says "so we don't slip in the blood."
Those scenes of intimate detail in something as absurd as a violent, bloody showdown bring so much reality into the mix that it leaves an indelible impression on me.

Anyone else doing massive marathons to make the best of the current situation?
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Ergill » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:32 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:38 am
I haven't seen Goodbye to Language, and the only recent film of his I've seen was Film Socialisme. Not getting a foothold is a good way to put it. I didn't hate watching it, but I was frequently wondering if I was getting anything out of it. But I suppose I've felt that way towards most of what I've seen of Godard post 1970 (with maybe the exception of Hail Mary and, erg, Detective?)
This has been my experience as of late. I have vague flashbacks of digging on parts of Adieu, but then there was a lot of slog too. Am I forgetting or was there a poopy part where I was like, hoho, yesyes, popcornpopcorn, you really stuck it to the bourgeoisie, I am not malaised!
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Ergill » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:35 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:08 am
I felt confident in my feeling and those memories to recommend it as they were great. But it could certainly use some dusting off.


Samurai Rebellion is probably my favorite chanbara film not directed by Kurosawa (Harakiri is its closest competition so Kobayashi is the man. After that... Sword of Doom?)
I'll definitely have to give SR a rewatch too. Need some more Mifune in my life.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:42 am

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I'll definitely have to give SR a rewatch too. Need some more Mifune in my life.
Have you watched Incident at Blood Pass?

I'm starting to think I'll buy Criterion Channel once I binge my sets so that I can get more Mifune and Kurosawa in my life (only seen half his filmography and that's feeling unacceptable currently). I'd be buying up their films on disc right now but all the stores are closed and Amazon seems to not be sending me anything of that sort for a month, if previous Blu-ray orders are trusted.

Pandemics hate physical media.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Ergill » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:54 am

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Have you watched Incident at Blood Pass?
I have. I didn't like it all that much. Not bad, but I had a bleh response. I dunno if I might have a more generous response now, but I'm skeptical it would get a Sword of the Beat bump. Outside of the Kurosawas, the Sanjuro character didn't shine so much for me. Less a commentary on the character than the movies he showed up in. Not even the Zatoichi movie (from a series I love), though that's a washed-up, petulant Sanjuro, to be fair.
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I'm starting to think I'll buy Criterion Channel once I binge my sets so that I can get more Mifune and Kurosawa in my life (only seen half his filmography and that's feeling unacceptable currently). I'd be buying up their films on disc right now but all the stores are closed and Amazon seems to not be sending me anything of that sort for a month, if previous Blu-ray orders are trusted.

Pandemics hate physical media.
Do it.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:00 am

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Anyone else doing massive marathons to make the best of the current situation?
Would YouTube videos about housecleaning count? No?
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:32 am

Ergill wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:54 am
I have. I didn't like it all that much. Not bad, but I had a bleh response. I dunno if I might have a more generous response now, but I'm skeptical it would get a Sword of the Beat bump. Outside of the Kurosawas, the Sanjuro character didn't shine so much for me. Less a commentary on the character than the movies he showed up in. Not even the Zatoichi movie (from a series I love), though that's a washed-up, petulant Sanjuro, to be fair.


Do it.
I recalled us differing on Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, where I considered it a wonderful fusion of Okamoto, Katsu and Mifune doing what they do best. The touch of Sanjuro actually getting under Zatoichi's skin and pissing him off is a touch that really jibes with my appreciation of both characters.

I found Incident at Blood Pass to be the lesser Sanjuro flick but thought it was worth seeing for Mifune and Katsu's performances (with the latter really seeming to emulate his brother, Tomisaburo Wakayama). Plus, I just generally like "stranded in a desolate area flicks. It's certainly not in the league of Mifune's other Inagaki collaboration, the Samurai Trilogy, but I believe you've seen those, right?

Got any Mifune or Chanbara I may have skipped over? I know there's Red Lion that has a reputation and is a blind spot but the guy was in so many things, it's hard to know what's worth tracking down beyond his collaborations with the biggest directors.

Ya know what, if I think I will get Criterion Channel regardless. You've inspired me.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:34 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:00 am
Would YouTube videos about housecleaning count? No?
Gotta get a proper binge going, Tak. Aren't they forcing a bizarre teach from home on you too or are you far enough from cities that the lockdowns haven't effected you?
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Macrology » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:38 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:32 am
I recalled us differing on Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, where I considered it a wonderful fusion of Okamoto, Katsu and Mifune doing what they do best. The touch of Sanjuro actually getting under Zatoichi's skin and pissing him off is a touch that really jibes with my appreciation of both characters.

I found Incident at Blood Pass to be the lesser Sanjuro flick but thought it was worth seeing for Mifune and Katsu's performances (with the latter really seeming to emulate his brother, Tomisaburo Wakayama). Plus, I just generally like "stranded in a desolate area flicks. It's certainly not in the league of Mifune's other Inagaki collaboration, the Samurai Trilogy, but I believe you've seen those, right?

Got any Mifune or Chanbara I may have skipped over? I know there's Red Lion that has a reputation and is a blind spot but the guy was in so many things, it's hard to know what's worth tracking down beyond his collaborations with the biggest directors.

Ya know what, if I think I will get Criterion Channel regardless. You've inspired me.
Have you seen Bloody Spear at Mount Fuji? No Mifune, but a really great mid-50s chanbara.
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Post by Wooley » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:08 am

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My greatest insight from my Godard watching recently however: "maybe" in French sounds sort of like a Frenchy "potato".
Heh. Yeah, that's about right.
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Post by Slentert » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:41 am

I've recently been trying to get into Godard's work. Breathless was quite amusing, Pierrot Le Fou however was pretty great. "Because you speak to me in words and I look at you with feelings".
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Post by Takoma1 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:03 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:32 am
Ya know what, if I think I will get Criterion Channel regardless. You've inspired me.
At ~$10 per month, the Criterion Channel has been a great investment for me.
ThatDarnMKS wrote:
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Gotta get a proper binge going, Tak. Aren't they forcing a bizarre teach from home on you too or are you far enough from cities that the lockdowns haven't effected you?
Our state department of education is meeting today, then I imagine we'll learn what the deal is. We've been explicitly told NOT to lesson plan or do other formal work, so I'm just waiting.

My mood and attention are so up and down right now, it's hard to get any momentum going. I'm currently watching The Man Who Fell to Earth and really enjoying it.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:23 pm

Macrology wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:38 am
Have you seen Bloody Spear at Mount Fuji? No Mifune, but a really great mid-50s chanbara.
I own the Arrow Blu-ray but have been saving it to kickstart a chanbara binge. I've got a huge backlog of Chanbara and Yakuza flicks waiting in the wings. So much Fukasaku overlap between them that I'm thinking he'll be the best way to kick either off.

It's so crazy to me that even in our age of streaming and Blu-ray oddities, that a director like Uchida can be so renowned in Japan but virtually unknown everywhere else. I think this is the first major home video release of any of his films outside of Japan, right?
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Takoma1 wrote:
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At ~$10 per month, the Criterion Channel has been a great investment for me.



Our state department of education is meeting today, then I imagine we'll learn what the deal is. We've been explicitly told NOT to lesson plan or do other formal work, so I'm just waiting.

My mood and attention are so up and down right now, it's hard to get any momentum going. I'm currently watching The Man Who Fell to Earth and really enjoying it.
My problem is that I'm a relentless Blu-ray collector. Switching to streaming would save me hundreds if not thousands a year... But I feel like it's cheating on my collection.

I can abide Netflix and Amazon but Criterion is especially full of movies I want to own.

I need to see TMWFTE badly. As a huge Bowie fan, it's a glaring omission. Plus, Nicholas Roeg is a very interesting filmmaker.

I'm currently calling parents so they can sign up for an online program. It's tedious.
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Post by Macrology » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:09 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:23 pm
I own the Arrow Blu-ray but have been saving it to kickstart a chanbara binge. I've got a huge backlog of Chanbara and Yakuza flicks waiting in the wings. So much Fukasaku overlap between them that I'm thinking he'll be the best way to kick either off.

It's so crazy to me that even in our age of streaming and Blu-ray oddities, that a director like Uchida can be so renowned in Japan but virtually unknown everywhere else. I think this is the first major home video release of any of his films outside of Japan, right?
As far as I'm aware, yeah. The Arrow release is the only reason I even know about him, which is insane.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:05 pm

Macrology wrote:
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As far as I'm aware, yeah. The Arrow release is the only reason I even know about him, which is insane.
It reminds me of how John Woo remade Manhunt, a Ken Takakura film that was apparently HUGE in Asia, and it sent me on a minor quest to find it only to discover it's virtually impossible to find.

His remake is on Netflix and is a silly, enjoyable mess, but the fact that the original is all but nonexistent is so strange to me.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:28 pm

Which version of Killing of a Chinese Bookie should I watch? '76 or the shorter, tighter '78 cut? I lean towards brevity but want the superior, hopefully director preferred version. Getting mixed results looking it up so I'll trust y'all.
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Post by BL Sometimes » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:29 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:05 pm
It reminds me of how John Woo remade Manhunt, a Ken Takakura film that was apparently HUGE in Asia, and it sent me on a minor quest to find it only to discover it's virtually impossible to find.

His remake is on Netflix and is a silly, enjoyable mess, but the fact that the original is all but nonexistent is so strange to me.
Bootleg here, so I can't comment on the quality, but it's out there.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:34 pm

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Bootleg here, so I can't comment on the quality, but it's out there.
Thanks, BL! You ever bought from them before? I'm always reluctant to buy from a bootleg store (assuming that's what it is) but it seems like it may be the only option.
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Post by BL Sometimes » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:44 pm

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Thanks, BL! You ever bought from them before? I'm always reluctant to buy from a bootleg store (assuming that's what it is) but it seems like it may be the only option.
I haven't, but it's got an "excellent" customer satisfaction rating on Trustpilot, with the only complaints seeming to come from people who didn't realize they were getting bootlegs. Unfortunately, because China didn't start recognizing IP laws until the 1980s, and because Western demand isn't always strong for certain titles, there's a huge amount of pre-1980 Asian cinema that seems to exist only in bootlegs.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:48 pm

BL Sometimes wrote:
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I haven't, but it's got an "excellent" customer satisfaction rating on Trustpilot, with the only complaints seeming to come from people who didn't realize they were getting bootlegs. Unfortunately, because China didn't start recognizing IP laws until the 1980s, and because Western demand isn't always strong for certain titles, there's a huge amount of pre-1980 Asian cinema that seems to exist only in bootlegs.
Indeed. I've had to acquire several films through bootleg, most notably is Ah Kam, which I can't believe doesn't have enough fanbase to get a legitimate release. Just usually get them off eBay and not from a website specific to them, so I get squeamish about such dealings. I'll keep you informed of my findings should I take the plunge on it.


Also, decided to go with the '78 cut of TKOACB. I will probably end up watching both though.
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Indeed. I've had to acquire several films through bootleg, most notably is Ah Kam, which I can't believe doesn't have enough fanbase to get a legitimate release. Just usually get them off eBay and not from a website specific to them, so I get squeamish about such dealings. I'll keep you informed of my findings should I take the plunge on it.


Also, decided to go with the '78 cut of TKOACB. I will probably end up watching both though.
Is that the longer cut?

I've only seen the longer cut and it would prob be a challenge to the uninitiated, but no sweat for anyone who is familiar with him.

While there is technically a tonne of footage you could imagine cutting from the longer version, I wouldn't want to be without a second of it. I shudder to think what shortened versions of some of the more protracted scenes would look like?

Not as good, is my instinct.

It would be like the scene in Influence where Peter Falk drags his kids upstairs to keep them from witnessing what is happening downstairs not once, not twice, but three times. It might seem overkill to make an audience sit through all that due to narrative economy and all that horseshit, but it is in many ways essential. To understand the situation we have to be witness to every minute of it. A participant in it.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:48 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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Is that the longer cut?

I've only seen the longer cut and it would prob be a challenge to the uninitiated, but no sweat for anyone who is familiar with him.

While there is technically a tonne of footage you could imagine cutting from the longer version, I wouldn't want to be without a second of it. I shudder to think what shortened versions of some of the more protracted scenes would look like?

Not as good, is my instinct.

It would be like the scene in Influence where Peter Falk drags his kids upstairs to keep them from witnessing what is happening downstairs not once, not twice, but three times. It might seem overkill to make an audience sit through all that due to narrative economy and all that horseshit, but it is in many ways essential. To understand the situation we have to be witness to every minute of it. A participant in it.
The shorter cut, actually. Apparently, Cassavettes wasn't happy with the longer cut and re-cut it for himself and added in new scenes as well as changing the order and reshaping the film overall. He referred to this cut as his "director's cut" so it's similar to Tarkovsky and Andrei Rublev.

It still seems to retain those trademark protected moments, though there are some near Godardian hard-cuts that seem to evoke his upending of genre norms.

Huge fan of the '78 version. Will gladly check out the longer cut down the road. I won't be surprised if its better but also wouldn't be shocked if it's an Apocalypse Now situation, where I appreciate the longer cuts but prefer the shorter (theatrical) overall. Happy to find out.

But yeah. A great blend of neo-noir, neon lighting, and neo-realism.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:53 pm

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Aaaand...AND! During the wee hours of April 6th they'll be running Lone Wolf and Cub: Sword of Vengeance followed by Lone Wolf and Cub: Baby Cart at the River Styx. Having never seen any LWaC flicks I'm particularly jazzed about it and have already set my DVR.
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Patrick McGroin wrote:
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Having never seen any LWaC flicks I'm particularly jazzed about it and have already set my DVR.
With the expected caveat that some stuff from action films from the 70s can be *~*problematic*~*, I'm a big fan of the Lone Wolf and Cub films. Especially the weirder they get.
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I went through the entire series last year. 2 and 6 are my favourites but they've all got their share of good stuff. (If I can shamelessly link to the review I wrote on my blog...)
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:27 pm

Kid Blue - 7/10 - This is a 1973 Western starring Dennis Hopper that I stumbled across while looking through the channel guide's, "More like this", suggestions. But once I checked out the co-stars I had to see it. Warren Oates? Ben Johnson? Peter Boyle? Hell yeah. It being the 70's and all it's not your traditional western. Hopper plays an inept outlaw who, after his latest train robbing caper falls apart before it even starts, decides to go straight and find honest work. He ends up in the small Texas town of Dime Box where he takes on a series of menial and demeaning jobs. He's befriended by Reese Ford (Oates) and his wife Molly (Lee Purcell) while immediately running afoul of the local sheriff, "Mean John" Simpson (Johnson). He also finds a sympathetic ear in Preacher Bob (Boyle) who's a pill popper and a bit of an iconoclast. There's a lot of social commentary about the uptight and judgemental founding fathers and citizens and about the local novelty ceramic factory that employs the majority of the town.

I liked this. It's a shaggy and shambling sort of story but it's not sloppy. It makes it's points and the writing doesn't veer off into incomprehensible territory. At least not till the very end where it sort of peters out.
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Post by Ergill » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 am

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I recalled us differing on Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo, where I considered it a wonderful fusion of Okamoto, Katsu and Mifune doing what they do best. The touch of Sanjuro actually getting under Zatoichi's skin and pissing him off is a touch that really jibes with my appreciation of both characters.

I found Incident at Blood Pass to be the lesser Sanjuro flick but thought it was worth seeing for Mifune and Katsu's performances (with the latter really seeming to emulate his brother, Tomisaburo Wakayama). Plus, I just generally like "stranded in a desolate area flicks. It's certainly not in the league of Mifune's other Inagaki collaboration, the Samurai Trilogy, but I believe you've seen those, right?
I'm just fussier than you. Samurai Trilogy, for instance. Not a fan! Too gauzy and bloated and boring. It had some alright battles, but a lot of dross I wasn't having.
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Got any Mifune or Chanbara I may have skipped over? I know there's Red Lion that has a reputation and is a blind spot but the guy was in so many things, it's hard to know what's worth tracking down beyond his collaborations with the biggest directors.
I thought Samurai Assassin was OK (fussy boy!), but it comes with pedigree and other people have really talked it up, so you might be lucky rolling the dice there. I'd stumbled on this recently, which is one guy's patchy attempt to make a kind of jidaigeki IMDB:

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/jidaigeki/index.html

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/jidaigeki/mifune.html

I've liked browsing through it now and again for recs. The reviews are very plot-heavy, which I consider the least interesting part of a review, but you take what you can get.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:04 am

Don't know if I ever saw the final movie in the Samurai Trilogy, but I was not a fan. It is sadly one of my least favorite things on the entirity of the Criterion collection.

Has anyone watched Samurai Spy? It's a movie that I "have" but is damaged and have never been able to play it. Keep wondering if it is worth tracking down again.
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Post by Ergill » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:47 am

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Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:04 am
Don't know if I ever saw the final movie in the Samurai Trilogy, but I was not a fan. It is sadly one of my least favorite things on the entirity of the Criterion collection.

Has anyone watched Samurai Spy? It's a movie that I "have" but is damaged and have never been able to play it. Keep wondering if it is worth tracking down again.
My old impression is that it was more on the unintentionally goofy bauble end of samurai movies. Lotta sixties flash and dazzle with cut-out characters hopping hither and thither. That kind of thing.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:16 am

Ergill wrote:
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My old impression is that it was more on the unintentionally goofy bauble end of samurai movies. Lotta sixties flash and dazzle with cut-out characters hopping hither and thither. That kind of thing.
Oh, so my kinda thing. Noted.
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Post by Macrology » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:22 am

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Don't know if I ever saw the final movie in the Samurai Trilogy, but I was not a fan. It is sadly one of my least favorite things on the entirity of the Criterion collection.

Has anyone watched Samurai Spy? It's a movie that I "have" but is damaged and have never been able to play it. Keep wondering if it is worth tracking down again.
It's a shame you never watched the last film, which is easily the best. The climax is genuinely fantastic. But I agree that the trilogy as a whole is a bit staid, probably catering to a more traditional audience (that story being the hallmark of Japanese culture that it is).

It's been ages since I watched Samurai Spy; I recall enjoying it fine but it didn't make an indelible mark or anything.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by crumbsroom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:39 am

Macrology wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:22 am
It's a shame you never watched the last film, which is easily the best. The climax is genuinely fantastic. But I agree that the trilogy as a whole is a bit staid, probably catering to a more traditional audience (that story being the hallmark of Japanese culture that it is).

It's been ages since I watched Samurai Spy; I recall enjoying it fine but it didn't make an indelible mark or anything.
Shit, I knew the last one would be the clincher.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Rock » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:40 am

I remember the first movie in the Samurai trilogy being pretty blah and the second and third movies having some pretty swell action direction. Been a while since I've seen them though.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:21 am

Ergill wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:01 am
I'm just fussier than you. Samurai Trilogy, for instance. Not a fan! Too gauzy and bloated and boring. It had some alright battles, but a lot of dross I wasn't having.


I thought Samurai Assassin was OK (fussy boy!), but it comes with pedigree and other people have really talked it up, so you might be lucky rolling the dice there. I'd stumbled on this recently, which is one guy's patchy attempt to make a kind of jidaigeki IMDB:

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/jidaigeki/index.html

http://www.lardbiscuit.com/jidaigeki/mifune.html

I've liked browsing through it now and again for recs. The reviews are very plot-heavy, which I consider the least interesting part of a review, but you take what you can get.


Bonzai!

Bah! I'd only describe the first in the trilogy as such, but the titular duels of the sequels (at Ichioji Temple and Ganryu island respectively) are some of my favorite in Japanese cinema. The emphasis on Musashi's tactics over ability is something rarely given enough focus, usually in favor of preternatural skill.

That in addition to having a love triangle that felt fully, if a tad melodramatically formed, also make it feel like a rarity, with romance usually absent or truncated (the fledging and youthful romances in Seven Samurai and Samurai Rebellion come to mind). I think only the relationship between Zatoichi and Itane that fills the first four of his films can compare.

Samurai Assassin is currently at my local used book store but they've got it stupidly overpriced due to it being OOP so I'm waiting to grab it when they have a big sale (one such occurred but was clipped short by store closures due to a mild case of plague).

I'll check that site.

I wouldn't so much describe you as fussy but rather me as being of highly questionable taste. *looks at Saw franchise defense in the horrorcram*

And Crummy, definitely watch the third one. Mac is 100% right on that climax.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Ergill » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:00 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:21 am
Bah! I'd only describe the first in the trilogy as such, but the titular duels of the sequels (at Ichioji Temple and Ganryu island respectively) are some of my favorite in Japanese cinema. The emphasis on Musashi's tactics over ability is something rarely given enough focus, usually in favor of preternatural skill.

That in addition to having a love triangle that felt fully, if a tad melodramatically formed, also make it feel like a rarity, with romance usually absent or truncated (the fledging and youthful romances in Seven Samurai and Samurai Rebellion come to mind). I think only the relationship between Zatoichi and Itane that fills the first four of his films can compare.
That's fair. Like so many of these movies, it's been a long while, and I think the only flashes I have right now are of the first movie when it comes to the love interest, which, in that installment at least, I remember being trite and having a really laughable conclusion.
ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:21 am
Samurai Assassin is currently at my local used book store but they've got it stupidly overpriced due to it being OOP so I'm waiting to grab it when they have a big sale (one such occurred but was clipped short by store closures due to a mild case of plague).
Yeah, I dunno how much it would vibe with you, but it has a lot of good people involved. I was reaching. Our samaurai movie background probably isn't all that different.
ThatDarnMKS wrote:
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I wouldn't so much describe you as fussy but rather me as being of highly questionable taste. *looks at Saw franchise defense in the horrorcram*

And Crummy, definitely watch the third one. Mac is 100% right on that climax.
It's most definitely not a refined taste that separates us, my dude. I'm just pickier, which makes you the blessed one, as movie buffs go. I dig on shlockier stuff, but I feel the magic less often. That's a tragedy!
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:23 am

Ergill wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:00 am
That's fair. Like so many of these movies, it's been a long while, and I think the only flashes I have right now are of the first movie when it comes to the love interest, which, in that installment at least, I remember being trite and having a really laughable conclusion.


Yeah, I dunno how much it would vibe with you, but it has a lot of good people involved. I was reaching. Our samaurai movie background probably isn't all that different.


It's most definitely not a refined taste that separates us, my dude. I'm just pickier, which makes you the blessed one, as movie buffs go. I dig on shlockier stuff, but I feel the magic less often. That's a tragedy!
I'll admit that I'm not the biggest fan of the first. I marked it off as "okay." But 2 & 3 just pulled me in completely. They were also watched over a decade ago and this conversation is making me realize that I didn't fully watch my Blu-ray upgrade (merely the aforementioned climactic sequences) and may be getting to them sooner rather than later after this conversation.

I mean, Samurai Assassin is Okamoto and Mifune with Shimura somewhere in the mix. With that pedigree, it would have to botch things to a shocking degree to get a dislike from me. Speaking of Okamoto, have you seen Sword of Doom? I think it may have an accidentally perfect ending.

I think trying desperately to make movies has made me a magnanimous movie lover. The effort and coordination it takes to write, shoot, edit and complete something halfway watchable is gargantuan and usually if I can detect good will and effort behind the camera, I'm inclined to fight to see what's good in a film. Have you ever tried your hand at writing? Or at professionally writing analysis? I've recently delved into Film Twitter and so many of y'all write about movies on a level that dwarfs even the most popular critics that it makes me wonder why our corner of the internet has remained so unexploited.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Ergill » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:41 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:23 am
I'll admit that I'm not the biggest fan of the first. I marked it off as "okay." But 2 & 3 just pulled me in completely. They were also watched over a decade ago and this conversation is making me realize that I didn't fully watch my Blu-ray upgrade (merely the aforementioned climactic sequences) and may be getting to them sooner rather than later after this conversation.
Been the same timeframe for me. I'd be willing to give them a shot again.
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I mean, Samurai Assassin is Okamoto and Mifune with Shimura somewhere in the mix. With that pedigree, it would have to botch things to a shocking degree to get a dislike from me. Speaking of Okamoto, have you seen Sword of Doom? I think it may have an accidentally perfect ending.
Sword of Doom is dope.
ThatDarnMKS wrote:
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I think trying desperately to make movies has made me a magnanimous movie lover. The effort and coordination it takes to write, shoot, edit and complete something halfway watchable is gargantuan and usually if I can detect good will and effort behind the camera, I'm inclined to fight to see what's good in a film. Have you ever tried your hand at writing? Or at professionally writing analysis? I've recently delved into Film Twitter and so many of y'all write about movies on a level that dwarfs even the most popular critics that it makes me wonder why our corner of the internet has remained so unexploited.
I did some amateur hour stuff with friends back in the day, and would've liked to graduate to something more, but I always found myself blocked when trying to write anything. When it comes to film criticism, I'm definitely not as prolific as some of you all. I find it easier to unfurl my thoughts in the context of a back and forth.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:09 pm

Ergill wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:41 pm
Been the same timeframe for me. I'd be willing to give them a shot again.


Sword of Doom is dope.


I did some amateur hour stuff with friends back in the day, and would've liked to graduate to something more, but I always found myself blocked when trying to write anything. When it comes to film criticism, I'm definitely not as prolific as some of you all. I find it easier to unfurl my thoughts in the context of a back and forth.
I may pop them on while I work from home this week. Currently giving Joe Bob Briggs stuff a shot. Enjoyable thus far.

I think there's your podcast hook! Arguin' with Ergill!
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:54 pm

Dirty Harry was good, I think. It's fascist, backwards politics which came across as if the director doesn't understand why we have things such as the Miranda Rights were reactionary and wildly wrong in every context and its ridiculous portrait of San Francisco as a bunch of nude bars, hippies, and gay male hustlers stuck out as being laughably dated. However, there's no denying that Siegel's direction is really stylish, engaging, and suspenseful at numerous moments; so good, in fact, that it manages to save this film from being below average to mediocre. Or bad, even. Also, Robinson's over-the-top performance was quite a lot of fun, but the more I thought the film, the less of an achievement I thought it was.

6/10
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Patrick McGroin » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Pale Flower - 9/10 - This is a 1964 B&W Japanese crime noir. Muraki is a hard bitten Yakuza who has just been released from prison after murdering a rival clan member. During a visit to a gambling den he runs across Saeko, an upper class, jaded young woman who loses large amounts of money playing cards. Muraki is immediately drawn to her and she asks him to find higher stakes games for her to gamble on. He becomes obsessed with the self destructive Saeko and, seeking her approval, introduces her to a world she wouldn't otherwise have had access to. She in turn tries to both delve into and impress the hardened gangster with increasing acts of recklessness.

This type of international noir is of course different than the usual American noir. It's darker and bleaker and one of the most atmospheric movies I've ever seen. I could see different directors in specific shots that were obviously influenced by this. Director Masahiro Shinoda employs weird cuts and lighting that by now might seem familiar but were obviously groundbreaking. The final
murder
is set to an operatic score which again has been done many times since but to see the root source is gratifying. Almost like scratching an itch of sorts. I thought the scene cut off too quickly but maybe that's just my experience with latter day noir. Every other director would have probably milked it. And the final scene
with the truth of who Saeko actually was being left unspoken
was particularly brilliant.

But now I need to watch Odds Against Tomorrow.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:37 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:23 pm
Pale Flower - 9/10 - This is a 1964 B&W Japanese crime noir. Muraki is a hard bitten Yakuza who has just been released from prison after murdering a rival clan member. During a visit to a gambling den he runs across Saeko, an upper class, jaded young woman who loses large amounts of money playing cards. Muraki is immediately drawn to her and she asks him to find higher stakes games for her to gamble on. He becomes obsessed with the self destructive Saeko and, seeking her approval, introduces her to a world she wouldn't otherwise have had access to. She in turn tries to both delve into and impress the hardened gangster with increasing acts of recklessness.

This type of international noir is of course different than the usual American noir. It's darker and bleaker and one of the most atmospheric movies I've ever seen. I could see different directors in specific shots that were obviously influenced by this. Director Masahiro Shinoda employs weird cuts and lighting that by now might seem familiar but were obviously groundbreaking. The final
murder
is set to an operatic score which again has been done many times since but to see the root source is gratifying. Almost like scratching an itch of sorts. I thought the scene cut off too quickly but maybe that's just my experience with latter day noir. Every other director would have probably milked it. And the final scene
with the truth of who Saeko actually was being left unspoken
was particularly brilliant.

But now I need to watch Odds Against Tomorrow.
I really like that one. It definitely left a huge impact on me when I watched it, specifically in regards to the outcome of certain characters and the ending.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:41 am

Several false starts later (of films that seemed like they'd be fun but were too depressing), A Story of Floating Weeds seems to be just what I need right now.

Criterion Channel has the '34 version and the '59 version.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by crumbsroom » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:03 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:41 am
Several false starts later (of films that seemed like they'd be fun but were too depressing), A Story of Floating Weeds seems to be just what I need right now.

Criterion Channel has the '34 version and the '59 version.
34 Version
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by DaMU » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:24 am

Cross-posting from the horror thread just for more eyes.

If any of you are feeling the Stuart Gordon pain, the following flicks of his are free (w/ ads):

Castle Freak (Tubi)
Dagon (Tubi)
The Pit and the Pendulum (Tubi)

Dolls (Pluto TV)
From Beyond (Pluto TV)

Edmond (Vudu Free)
King of the Ants (PopcornFlix / Vudu Free)
The Dentist (co-writer) (Vudu Free / Tubi)

Stuck (IMDB TV)

(His two Masters of Horror episodes, "Dreams in the Witch-House" and "The Black Cat," are two bucks a pop on Redbox, and I think they're worth it.)
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Rock » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:30 am

Mile 22 is not very good. I think Mark Wahlberg's character is supposed to be a tough-talking dude who doesn't take shit from anybody, but making him an unmitigated asshole who yells at everybody all the time regardless of context is not the way to do it. He harasses Lauren Cohan when she's taking a shower, knocks Ronda Rousey's birthday cake off the table and when Cohan escapes from death's clutches, he gets mad at her for wasting ten minutes. This is not a very nice man, and I'm afraid I couldn't find it in my heart to root for him. Wahlberg can be engagingly douchey (I quite enjoyed his work in Pain & Gain and The Other Guys), but this is that turned to 11 and it's a bit much. The film also hints at political commentary with a shot of Obama and Trump bobbleheads, but never follows through on it interestingly, and the cutaways to Marky Mark talking really fast about some conspiracy or whatever (I dunno, the deep state or some shit, there are Russians) does not make the movie seem any smarter or deeper. On the plus side, having him talk really fast at other characters who talk at normal speeds makes for some decent unintentional comedy. Also, Iko Uwais gets to do a bit of fighting in this movie and is amusingly calm when talking to Wahberg, so casting him isn't a total waste. The movie is also around an hour and a half so I guess it's painless enough if you want to watch something with a lot of yelling.
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Re: Recently Seen

Post by Takoma1 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:53 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:03 am
34 Version
I'm about a third of the way into it and it is gorgeous.

Looking forward to the 50s version. I'm always really interested by remakes when both have a good reputation, and when it's the same director remaking his own film, well . . .
DaMU wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:24 am
Cross-posting from the horror thread just for more eyes.

If any of you are feeling the Stuart Gordon pain, the following flicks of his are free (w/ ads)
The Dolls is also on Amazon Prime.
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