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I doing the best at this.
You have to figure out what Torgo does before you come out here.
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Big Mouth = the best
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crumbsroom wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:52 am
Big Mouth = the best
It really is fantastic.
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crumbsroom wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 2:52 am
Big Mouth = the best
That show is fucking hilarious.
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Post by Takoma1 » Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:18 am

Torgo wrote:
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I'm late to the party, but I'm halfway into I Think You Should Leave on Netflix, and so far, it's hilarious. It's so nice to have a decent sketch show available now that Key & Peele is off the air. Not all of the sketches hit the mark - the ones that are too scatalogical aren't my favorite - but when it's good, it's very good.
The sketch where they're pitching the car ideas had me howling with laughter. I was expecting mostly intentionally awkward, cringe comedy, but was delighted at how much goofiness there also was (like the motorcycle people come down to Earth--that was this show, right?).
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Post by Torgo » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Takoma1 wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:18 am
The sketch where they're pitching the car ideas had me howling with laughter. I was expecting mostly intentionally awkward, cringe comedy, but was delighted at how much goofiness there also was (like the motorcycle people come down to Earth--that was this show, right?).
Yes!
Those sketches, the "honk if you're horny" sketch and the YouTube sketch (which I can relate to because I'm usually the only one who finds the videos I suggest funny) were my favorites. It's definitely a sketch show that has its pulse on current trends, but thankfully without feeling like it's pandering.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:27 pm

Finally finished up Ken Burns' eight part, sixteen and a half hour docuseries Country Music. This being Burns it's exhaustively and meticulously researched and I suppose targeted at either hardcore fans of the country music genre or of Burns himself. It starts out a little slow but hits it's stride around episode three and then loses a little steam around episode seven before closing out on a wistful and ultimately uplifting conclusion. If you grew up listening to old school country then you'll find this an eloquent and at times moving acclamation of an art form that can truly claim to be a quintessential American creation.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:00 am

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:27 pm
Finally finished up Ken Burns' eight part, sixteen and a half hour docuseries Country Music. This being Burns it's exhaustively and meticulously researched and I suppose targeted at either hardcore fans of the country music genre or of Burns himself. It starts out a little slow but hits it's stride around episode three and then loses a little steam around episode seven before closing out on a wistful and ultimately uplifting conclusion. If you grew up listening to old school country then you'll find this an eloquent and at times moving acclamation of an art form that can truly claim to be a quintessential American creation.
Would you say it's good for someone who doesn't know much about country music?
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:43 am

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Would you say it's good for someone who doesn't know much about country music?
Yes actually. It helps if you're into history though. At the very beginning it breaks down all the influences and events that shaped and helped bring what would eventually become country music into being. So they just don't jump into it. They take their time setting it up. Some might find that part dry but it was an integral part of the whole.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:27 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
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Yes actually. It helps if you're into history though. At the very beginning it breaks down all the influences and events that shaped and helped bring what would eventually become country music into being. So they just don't jump into it. They take their time setting it up. Some might find that part dry but it was an integral part of the whole.
Okay, thanks. I do really like history and learning how it percolates into the culture of the time. I'm so far behind on new television that I wasn't even aware that Ken Burns Country Music was a thing.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:21 pm

Takoma1 wrote:
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Okay, thanks. I do really like history and learning how it percolates into the culture of the time. I'm so far behind on new television that I wasn't even aware that Ken Burns Country Music was a thing.
I wouldn't blame anyone for being hesitant about starting this. It is a major undertaking. I watched part 1 and then took a long, long break before getting back into it. And I totally got it wrong when I said it was targeted specifically at hardcore CM fans. That was a simpleminded take on my part. Like all of Burns' projects it's primarily instructional so it's also tailor made for people who might be unfamiliar with the subject. I learned a lot and now I'd really like to screen his docs on WWII and the Vietnam war.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:57 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:21 pm
I wouldn't blame anyone for being hesitant about starting this. It is a major undertaking. I watched part 1 and then took a long, long break before getting back into it. And I totally got it wrong when I said it was targeted specifically at hardcore CM fans. That was a simpleminded take on my part. Like all of Burns' projects it's primarily instructional so it's also tailor made for people who might be unfamiliar with the subject. I learned a lot and now I'd really like to screen his docs on WWII and the Vietnam war.
I know what you mean, though. His work is often both a vast primer AND a deep dive into whatever topic he tackles.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:42 pm

The Boba Fett Show is well-made and all that but it is still basically well-made comfort food. which is probably why so many Star Wars fans are eating it up.

if I were <13 years old I'm sure I'd love the hell out of it.
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Post by Thief » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm

During the last 2-3 weeks, Twitter has been brimming with praise towards Watchmen, so I'm wondering if I should check it out. I've never been a huge comic-book fan nor have I seen the Snyder film, but someone suggested I should see that film first (even though they are not related). Any thoughts here?
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:26 pm

Thief wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
During the last 2-3 weeks, Twitter has been brimming with praise towards Watchmen, so I'm wondering if I should check it out. I've never been a huge comic-book fan nor have I seen the Snyder film, but someone suggested I should see that film first (even though they are not related). Any thoughts here?
I kvetched about it but have still been watching. You should check it out. I may not be as enraptured as some of the critics but it's still more interesting than most of what passes as watchable TV these days. But then *gratuitous spoiler alert*
(and depending on how they proceed from it) last night's major reveal
could turn out to be more of the same from Lindelof. The show's worth checking out though.
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Post by Thief » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:46 pm

Patrick McGroin wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:26 pm
I kvetched about it but have still been watching. You should check it out. I may not be as enraptured as some of the critics but it's still more interesting than most of what passes as watchable TV these days. But then *gratuitous spoiler alert*
(and depending on how they proceed from it) last night's major reveal
could turn out to be more of the same from Lindelof. The show's worth checking out though.
Oh, the show is from Lindelof? :-|

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I will probably check it out anyway, but I might check the Snyder film first.
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Post by The Nameless One » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:05 pm

Please please PLEASE do not watch Snyder's Watchman without reading the comic first. It's not a matter of being a comic fan or not
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The Nameless One wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:05 pm
Please please PLEASE do not watch Snyder's Watchman without reading the comic first. It's not a matter of being a comic fan or not
Is it accessible online? How long is it?

EDIT: Is this the one?
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Thief wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:25 pm
Is it accessible online? How long is it?

EDIT: Is this the one?
That's the one, I believe it's available for free via Kindle Unlimited as well. It's 416 pages long so quite the commitment
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Post by Thief » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:00 pm

The Nameless One wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 pm
That's the one, I believe it's available for free via Kindle Unlimited as well. It's 416 pages long so quite the commitment
Ahh, then I'll check it up on my Kindle when I get home. It should be easier to read.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:05 am

I hated the first episode of Watchmen (read a page or two back), but it's significantly improved since then. It's actually managed to win me over.
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Post by The Nameless One » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:47 am

Bandy Greensacks wrote:
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I hated the first episode of Watchmen (read a page or two back), but it's significantly improved since then. It's actually managed to win me over.
Hmmmm
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Post by Thief » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:04 pm

The Nameless One wrote:
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That's the one, I believe it's available for free via Kindle Unlimited as well. It's 416 pages long so quite the commitment
Just wanted to let you know... I've read the first two chapters and I'm enjoying it so far. I love how it takes some jabs at the comic-book/superhero tropes while also reveling in the genre at the same time. One thing's for sure, this comic book and how the plot unfolds, it's begging for an adaptation. It's pretty much a script and storyboard already done.
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Post by The Nameless One » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:43 pm

Thief wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:04 pm
One thing's for sure, this comic book and how the plot unfolds, it's begging for an adaptation. It's pretty much a script and storyboard already done.
Alan Moore would disagree, and while I think Snyder did an admirable job at times you can easily see Moore's arguments unfold as to why his work is un-adaptable. It's a matter of how much information is embedded in each panel. Moore scripts his work more thoroughly than any other comic writer, often spanning a half page in description for a single panel for his artists to work with. That information is lost when his work is adapted, the symbiotic relationship between author and artist which is often lost on most readers because samples of Moore's scripting is hard to come by. That secret world of subtext makes his comics spring to life, they are all so dense with information and without that information at hand, as it belongs between Moore and Gibbons, adaptation becomes a matter of skimming what's entirely on the surface... the images, the dialog, the structure... it's not enough, so it leaves that information to the adapting artist's subjectivity. Snyder's Watchmen is Snyder's Watchmen, his being manifests the subtext and becomes an entirely different story based on his interpretation. It's one which reveals some troubling elements about Snyder himself, as if the act of adapting Watchmen is a trap meant to ensnare those who dare temper with it's immaculate thread
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Post by Stu » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:07 pm

Haven't seen the Watchmen show yet, and I've said this before regarding Snyder's movie, but it bears repeating that, if it wasn't already obvious up to that point (though it was), it was clear that he was the wrong person for the job, and that he missed the comic's whole point of de-glamorizing the Superhero genre as a whole, when he somehow turned one panel worth of this...

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...into two whole minutes of this:

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The Nameless One wrote:
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Alan Moore would disagree, and while I think Snyder did an admirable job at times you can easily see Moore's arguments unfold as to why his work is un-adaptable. It's a matter of how much information is embedded in each panel. Moore scripts his work more thoroughly than any other comic writer, often spanning a half page in description for a single panel for his artists to work with. That information is lost when his work is adapted, the symbiotic relationship between author and artist which is often lost on most readers because samples of Moore's scripting is hard to come by. That secret world of subtext makes his comics spring to life, they are all so dense with information and without that information at hand, as it belongs between Moore and Gibbons, adaptation becomes a matter of skimming what's entirely on the surface... the images, the dialog, the structure... it's not enough, so it leaves that information to the adapting artist's subjectivity. Snyder's Watchmen is Snyder's Watchmen, his being manifests the subtext and becomes an entirely different story based on his interpretation. It's one which reveals some troubling elements about Snyder himself, as if the act of adapting Watchmen is a trap meant to ensnare those who dare temper with it's immaculate thread
Well, I still haven't seen the Snyder film, but I suppose that it's expected that the filmmakers' feelings, opinions, beliefs, etc. will come through. To what extent, is perhaps what makes or breaks the film (or TV show) for some, I guess.

But anyway, speaking solely from the perspective of the comic book/graphic novel, I was referring more to the way the story cuts back and forth from present to past, to how one panel "fades" into the other as the story jumps from time to time, or how the "narration" carries the story while other things happen in the panels. IMO, this just *feels* like it was made for a medium like film or TV. If anything, the "Hollis Mason autobiography" excerpts between chapters seem to me would be the hardest to integrate into a film/TV story, without breaking the pace. Then again, I'm not a filmmaker, screenwriter, director :D or maybe it's my cinephile mind that's shaping how I see it, but well.
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Stu wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:07 pm
Haven't seen the Watchmen show yet, and I've said this before regarding Snyder's movie, but it bears repeating that, if it wasn't already obvious up to that point (though it was), it was clear that he was the wrong person for the job, and that he missed the comic's whole point of de-glamorizing the Superhero genre as a whole...
If that's the case with the film, it's a shame, cause that's one of the aspects I find more interesting and entertaining from the comic book so far. How it manages to *exist* in this "superhero world" and feed from it while also taking jabs at the whole genre.
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Post by Thief » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:39 pm

I finally finished the first season of The Terror this weekend and I have to say I really, really liked it. Very eerie and atmospheric, with some great performances. I mentioned on Twitter how, after this and Chernobyl, Jared Harris had gotten my attention, but Adam Nagaitis is also really, really good.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:09 pm

I'm assuming that Watchmen was a one season and done thing because I don't see where and why they would go from here. But if your gut was telling you that Lindelof would end up disappointing then your gut was right.
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Patrick McGroin wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:09 pm
I'm assuming that Watchmen was a one season and done thing because I don't see where and why they would go from here. But if your gut was telling you that Lindelof would end up disappointing then your gut was right.
Aside from some shaky bits, I thought he stuck the landing overall. And I say that as perhaps the biggest Lindleof hater on this site.
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Thief wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:39 pm
I finally finished the first season of The Terror this weekend and I have to say I really, really liked it. Very eerie and atmospheric, with some great performances. I mentioned on Twitter how, after this and Chernobyl, Jared Harris had gotten my attention, but Adam Nagaitis is also really, really good.
I loved it as well. I read Dan Simmons' book on which it was based and it was a better adaptation than I could have hoped for. I was also impressed by Tobias Menzies and Paul Ready's performances.
I do not recommend season 2. It's a big step down in almost every respect.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:56 pm

I loved Dan Simmons' novel but I still haven't watched the series. I'm waiting for it to show up on Netflix or Prime without the commercials.
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Patrick McGroin wrote:
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I loved Dan Simmons' novel but I still haven't watched the series. I'm waiting for it to show up on Netflix or Prime without the commercials.
It's currently on Hulu, if you have it.
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Torgo wrote:
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I loved it as well. I read Dan Simmons' book on which it was based and it was a better adaptation than I could have hoped for. I was also impressed by Tobias Menzies and Paul Ready's performances.
I do not recommend season 2. It's a big step down in almost every respect.
Most of the cast was pretty good, but yeah, Menzies was another highlight.

Re: season 2, that's disappointing. I was looking forward to it because of the source material. Maybe I'll still check it out, but I'll deprioritize it a bit.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:27 pm

Thief wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:08 pm
It's currently on Hulu, if you have it.
Nuts. I don't have it. I'm holding off on getting a Roku or Amazon Fire stick in case someone gets it for me for Christmas. I'll probably sign up for the free Hulu trial. That way I can watch all three on a 55 inch screen instead of my laptop or tablet.

Anyway I'm glad to hear that The Terror is a fairly faithful adaptation. Simmons' novel is massive but also an easy read and I hope they didn't completely jettison the
supernatural elements. Especially during the conclusion.
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I haven't read the novel, but browsing the Wikipedia plot description, it seems to me the show was a pretty faithful adaptation, for the most part.
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Thief wrote:
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Well, I still haven't seen the Snyder film, but I suppose that it's expected that the filmmakers' feelings, opinions, beliefs, etc. will come through. To what extent, is perhaps what makes or breaks the film (or TV show) for some, I guess.

But anyway, speaking solely from the perspective of the comic book/graphic novel, I was referring more to the way the story cuts back and forth from present to past, to how one panel "fades" into the other as the story jumps from time to time, or how the "narration" carries the story while other things happen in the panels. IMO, this just *feels* like it was made for a medium like film or TV. If anything, the "Hollis Mason autobiography" excerpts between chapters seem to me would be the hardest to integrate into a film/TV story, without breaking the pace. Then again, I'm not a filmmaker, screenwriter, director :D or maybe it's my cinephile mind that's shaping how I see it, but well.
I know this is not a comic book thread, but since it was brought up here, I just wanted to continue my praise for the Watchmen comic book. Just finished Chapter V and I'm loving it. Not just the depth and richness of the story, but the quality of the artwork and, like I said before, how the story flows from one panel to the other. I'm not much of a comic book fan, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything like this in what little I've read. Plus, the way they manage to insert more information, be it via the fake Hollis Mason autobiography, or the Dr. Manhattan book... and how about the way they integrate that pirate novel and how that story serves as a subtext to the bigger story. It's really impressive.
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I know this is not a comic book thread, but since it was brought up here, I just wanted to continue my praise for the Watchmen comic book. Just finished Chapter V and I'm loving it. Not just the depth and richness of the story, but the quality of the artwork and, like I said before, how the story flows from one panel to the other. I'm not much of a comic book fan, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything like this in what little I've read. Plus, the way they manage to insert more information, be it via the fake Hollis Mason autobiography, or the Dr. Manhattan book... and how about the way they integrate that pirate novel and how that story serves as a subtext to the bigger story. It's really impressive.
Love Chapter V! Did you notice all the fearful symmetry in, well, "Fearful Symmetry", btw?
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Excellent.

Now, once you're done with that, read From Hell. It's even better.

IT'S SO GODDAMN GOOD.
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Stu wrote:
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Love Chapter V! Did you notice all the fearful symmetry in, well, "Fearful Symmetry", btw?
That's a really cool link. I noticed the obvious "symmetry" in several motifs (i.e. Rorschach's symbol, the neon sign outside Moloch's apartment, the pirate character looking at the decomposing body under the water) or in the flow from panel to panel primarily when the plot shifts (i.e. Rorschach's steps splash in the water puddle, to poster of Buddha on the wall of murdered family, to splash of water from gutter by the magazine delivery truck twice... from pirate eating raw sea gull to Dan eating chicken leg... from Rorschach opening Gunga Diner menu to newsstand guy opening newspaper to pirate embracing mast... from Dan lying alone in bed with his arm extended to the dead bodies being ripped from raft by sharks to pirate holding to the raft to the newsstand guy putting tarp for the rain, etc.)... but I hadn't noticed the "symmetry" laid out in this butterfly-like pattern among all panels. That's quite brilliant.
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DaMU wrote:
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Excellent.

Now, once you're done with that, read From Hell. It's even better.

IT'S SO GODDAMN GOOD.
Is this the one the Johnny Depp film was based on? I don't remember much about that film.
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Post by Torgo » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:32 pm

Check out Saga of the Swamp Thing volumes one through six as well.
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Is this the one the Johnny Depp film was based on? I don't remember much about that film.
Yep, but so much better that the flick might as well be an unrelated piece of work.
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Post by Takoma1 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:02 pm

We put on the first two episodes of Undone today, and I'm catching so many things I didn't notice the first time around.

I'll just reiterate that I think it's really worth checking out--and also it's a pretty minimal time investment for a TV show.
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Post by The Nameless One » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:52 am

Glad you are enjoying Watchmen, Thief :). Worth listening to DaMU and Torgo, any Alan Moore is worthy of consumption. I'd offer a side recommendation, Promethea, which is my favorite of his, kinda an all encompassing primer on "magick"
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Re: The Television Thread

Post by Torgo » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:29 pm

Has anyone watched The Dragon Prince on Netflix? The animators who made Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra are behind it, but I've heard next to nothing about it.
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Re: The Television Thread

Post by Torgo » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:21 pm

The trailer for HBO's adaptation of Stephen King's The Outsider. Looks nice and True Detective-y.

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Re: The Television Thread

Post by Thief » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:44 pm

Finished season 2 of Mindhunter a couple of days ago. Really good show that relies on great performances and a lot of dread, even though there's not a lot of "flashes and bangs", so to speak.

I also started season 4 of Rick and Morty. Just two episodes in but it's as bonkers as previous seasons.

I also got back to season 3 of The Handmaid's Tale. I'm halfway through but I stick by my previous assessment on how much of a struggle it has become. The show is gorgeously directed, with some impressive production values, but so fuckin' tedious. Not sure if I will get through this season, although I've read there might be some good payoff in the finale. Meh.
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Re: The Television Thread

Post by DaMU » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:35 pm

We're fixing a few stray episodes of Designing Women at work, and, uh... I'm gettin' a big crush on Annie Potts.
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