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Post by YouTookMyName » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:27 am

A Comparison of Rollerball (1975) and Rollerball (2002)

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Commentaries

Two of the most illuminating lines ever heard in any DVD commentary:

1.-------->LL Cool J on the Rollerball (2002) commentary track: Here we go!

and of equal eminence

2.-------->Christoper Atkins on The Blue Lagoon (1980) commentary track: Well, there's my pecker.

Nothing reveals what's going on better than stating the obvious, right? Or taking off your clothes.

Atkins doesn't stay on that level for all of his commentary with director Randall Kleiser, but his patter is largely "we were there and we did this," rather than anything illuminating. The 2002 Rollerball commentary with LL Cool J (recorded separately from Rebecca Romijn and Chris Klein) is equally uninformative. Romijn and Klein do at least provide a few behind-the-scenes comments that are illuminating. But the commentary track is more or less on the brainless level of the film. LL Cool J's track was obviously just a bunch of comments someone had him make when he wasn't even watching the film.

The 1975 Rollerball DVD features a commentary by Norman Jewison, and that one provides much more interesting information. None of these would find a place in drei's commentary thread, though. Not interesting or informational enough (notwithstanding that they are also not about films noirs!)



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Murdering the classics: a look back (in anger) at Rollerball Posted by I Still Find It So Hard on April 23, 2012 "Previews for the film were so overwhelmingly negative that the release date was moved back no less than five times. Blood in the games was digitally cleaned up to an extent that hop, skips, and catapults itself over the line to absurd. One classic shot in which an anonymous player is smacked in the face with the ball was clearly altered so that blood would appear as sweat."
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RETRO WAVE: Surprisingly, THE BLUE LAGOON Is Not Just About Brooke Shields Naked Submitted by Caleb McCandless on Sat, 12/15/2012 - 20:50 on geek new wave. "While The Blue Lagoon is more focused on showing these two characters grow up together than telling a three-act story, it does sometimes get sidetracked into narratives that don’t always pay off."
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Post by YouTookMyName » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:01 pm

A Comparison of Rollerball (1975) and Rollerball (2002)

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Made Into a Sow's Ear

In Norman Jewison's version of this story James Caan plays Jonathan E. As far as I recall Caan was always stone-faced and didn't talk much. He handles the physical part of the role just fine. It's his inability to make you believe that Jonathan E is bright enough to care that is a weakness. Thus, all his rebellion seems like a teenager's misbehavior rather than a grown man's calculated response.
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James Caan and Chris Klein
In the McTiernan movie Chris Klein tries to have some range, but I can't be sure he succeeds. He's mostly either baffled or scared, or horny during the run of the movie. He doesn't really do anything. He is defs not a rebel. He's acted on by others throughout the show. He's supposed to be the star of the game, but his character in the screenplay does little besides watch and run along with others who are doing stuff, as if to give us a person to identify with. Doesn't work.

None of the women in the 1975 film, beautiful as they are, have any weight or any significance. Not even the spies. Not even Jonathan's supposed lovers. Apparently, though, these lovers are assigned to him by ENERGY, the corporation. If this is so, then why doesn't Jonny already realize that the ENERGY corporation owns him lock stock and libido? He thinks he is doing things for/because/in memory of Ella (played by the barely-present Maud Adams), his wife who was taken away. But we can see that he is simply immature.
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Women, including Maud Adams, and Rebecca Romijn-Stamos
Rebecca Romijn's character, Aurora, is a bit more "there" but even she drops into the background halfway through the film, only to reappear and then disappear again, before reappearing at the very end. In that sense one woman fulfills all the changing panoply of women in the 1975 version. Just as Ella is Jonathan E's motivation for doing all that he does, Aurora is Jonathan Cross's motivation for his actions beyond explanation. In the 2002 version she becomes Ella and Moon Pie rolled into one.

Cletus is Jonathan E's trainer and friend in the 1975 film. Moses Gunn plays the character with a fatherly streak that occasionally comes across as real. He almost single-handedly keeps the cast from being all light-skinned. The characters Cletus and Ella are in the short story. In the 1975 film Cletus' attentions to Jonathan's career have a totally lamer significance. In the short story there is truly murder, that is the point of the game, as if to say to all the fans, "Look, you, too, will die; and for nothing, just like this man did." But the game as presented in the first film is just a public sport, with the players' names used in the color commentary as if it were football. Yet, Jonathan E is the only star. Right.
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Moses Gunn and LL Todd Cool Smith J
At the beginning of the 2002 number Marcus Ridley rescues Jonathan Cross from his own stupidity, and takes him off to something not quite as smart. LL Cool J (sometimes known as Todd Smith) plays Ridley. He's at least interesting some of the time, but to borrow a cliche, he seems to be playing the part for a paycheck, and nothing more.

John Housman is Mr. Bartholomew, the head of ENERGY. The man was on a role roll as an actor following success in The Paper Chase (1973). But he is a personality more than an actor, here and in all his roles. He doesn't do threatening very well because his "friendly" is pretty threatening. He constantly seems like a movie producer (guess why) and the only thing going for him in the role is his apparent cold-blooded nature.
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John Houseman and Jean Reno
Jean Reno is present in the 2002 version in his first (for me) terrible role. I had no idea that Reno's presence would be incapable of rescuing any film at all. Usually, this isn't the case. But in this movie he is one of the mutilators. This is possibly only because everyone is merely present in this film. No one shines or rocks, or even seems to try to. Reno's hit man roles seem cold and calculating, and well-acted. Reno's Petrovich simply comes across as a petulantly wary, constantly drowsy man who is in over his head, and out of his league. In this film the bad guy is a cartoon.
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Ralph Richardson and Zero
Ralph Richardson, of course, shines in the 1975 movie as the Librarian at Geneva who is in charge of Zero, the master fluidics computer that is the repository of all human knowledge (except the history of the 13th Century). His role would be comedic in any other movie, but here the comedy is so out of place that it brings not even a smile. At least not to my face. For decades the only part of Rollerball (1975) that I had ever seen is from Richardson's entrance to the ending.

It is likely that all these actors and actresses would be capable of more, if given more to be doing.


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Post by YouTookMyName » Sun Jan 26, 2014 5:41 am

A Comparison of Rollerball (1975) and Rollerball (2002)

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Worth the Trouble?

In so many dystopian tales there is a rebellion. Sometimes large. Sometimes small. Sometimes effective. Most often not. Think of Soylent Green. The protagonist faces a personal human-scale crisis, and in the process of working through the personal crisis, manages to create a crisis for the overlords of society. So, is Soylent Green optimistic or pessimistic? That question can and has been debated. I guess that makes the movie good science fiction.

But Rollerball sputters out with a freeze frame. Jonathan has won! He has defeated the goons that run the world, and he is still alive! But...but wait...what about when he leaves the Rollerball rink? They know where he lives.

The 2002 film doesn't have anything to say, unless it's John McTiernan's professional suicide note.
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In the original short story there is no rebellion. At the end of it, nothing seems possible other than the demise of all the players in the game, including the star, Jonathan E. In the original film the rebellion must be intended to be symbolic of a belief that individuals do matter, no matter what con is concocted to make you think that they (you) don't. Furthermore, the 1975 film puts forth the notion that it is your duty, even when it flies in the face of all logic and personal safety, to fight, fight, fight for individual freedom. In fact, if you don't, who will?

So Jonny E takes on this challenge. Now, I wonder where he gets the notion that he can prove the corporate wonks to be shysters in the eyes of the public, since he is a product of this particular society. If he has that idea, then wouldn't a lot of other people, and wouldn't the corporations have their hands full putting down rebellions all over the world? But, in the fabric of the story, there is no violence except Rollerball, and thus, there are no uprisings.
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The film ultimately succeeds no better than the various screen adaptations of Nineteen Eighty-Four, and for the same reason. It's a cool idea, but it isn't a very visual idea. Even with the supposedly fast-paced game, Rollerball is nothing arresting to watch. If you pay attention it is literally paying attention, or giving it, because you have to force yourself to watch.

So what is Jonathan's rebellion symbolic of? Only of a thing that goes on in the modern world all the time. Someone decides to change things, and makes an attempt to do so. It is obviously a lesson not really in danger of being ignored by people. Maybe it seemed like in the future it could be ignored back in the 1970s. But by then the "conformity of the 1950s" had passed into "rebellion as the new conformity." There was no danger of corporations taking over government. Besides, when they do it will be much more subtly done than it has ever been in any sci-fi vehicle in print or on the screen. It will be sneaky. They'll have ads everywhere. Everywhere! :D

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Goddamn you all to hell: The revealing politics of dystopian movies from The Institute of Public Affairs, The Voice for Freedom 70 Years. "The obsessions of the left are reflected in the dystopian movie." & "Part of this is because utopias are inherently dull." And the clearest statement: "Devising a plausible non-market economy is much more challenging." "When A Clockwork Orange resonates, it does so because social breakdown and socialist decay are very real features of west European states today. The northern banlieues around Paris are just the sort of low-income ghettos which are inhabited by Alex. In these areas, the state is present but ineffective-delivering welfare but not order-and the inhabitants are both oppressed and independent. Indeed, when David Cameron describes England's ‘broken society', he raises the spectre of ultra-violent and truant adolescents."
The James Clayton Column: Pessimistic sci-fi films 23 Aug 2013 - 06:35 on Den of Geek "I discern a definite tendency to approach the future with fear and trepidation, for the future is frequently figured to be something that's terrifying." & "The zeitgeist is one of anxious anticipation. In fact, scratch that: the pervading feeling is that the world is going to hell and that the human race is screwed"
Controlled and Totalitarian: Sci-Fi’s Pessimistic View of the Future by Masaaki Kurosu Published in: June, 2013 in Science Fiction on User Experience, The Magazine of the User Experience Professionals Association. "As a movie lover who watches one or two movies a day, I have found it difficult to find sci-fi movies that describe a utopia. One reason for the imbalanced proportion between utopian and dystopian movies might be the historical facts of human civilization, in which there have been many totalitarian and autocratic societies." & "Regarding this aspect, ubiquitous technology will be one of the plausible means to achieve the controlled totalitarian society."
Sci-Fi Dystopia Theatre: Rollerball (1975) "At the peak of his fame, Jonathan E (James Caan), the greatest player of all time, is forced by the Houston Energy Corporation into an early retirement for reasons he doesn’t understand. Jonathan E is a standard jock-type, not an intellectual, but he’s savvy enough to know when he’s being played."
Writing Dystopian Fiction: Rollerball Is The Hunger Games Posted on May 10, 2012 by Kelly Gunzenhauser at pubmission.com. "There has been plenty of commentary about how The Hunger Games, the latest teen-focused dystopian book and film craze, isn’t necessarily a new idea, just a very good version of an old idea, and Rollerball is pretty solid proof. Again, you have a dystopian society, ruled by a capitol—which basically functions like a corporation and is governed by a few."
Film: Rollerball on tv tropes & idioms. "Rollerball is a 1975 Dystopia movie set Twenty Minutes into the Future, when everything is controlled by Mega Corps that keep the unwashed masses happy the best way they know how: full contact Blood Sport!"
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If you become rich and powerful, I hope that you will be cream rather than pond scum." --YTMN

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Post by YouTookMyName » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:03 am

A Comparison of Rollerball (1975) and Rollerball (2002)

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Story/Screenplay/Screenplay

The game of Rollerball is transformed from manifestation to manifestation. At first it is a gruesome, genuinely murderous game called Roller Ball Murder, or RBM in the short story. Players get killed in each game, that's part of the game -- in its name, see? Murder. And that idea from William Harrison is actually chilling. To think that a human life would be worth so little in terms of a culture's morality, that a game would be made of taking that life away is Roman in its scope, and probably in its inspiration.

It would be amazing for a player to survive long enough to become a star. That's why Jonathan E is such a phenomenon. And an uncomfortable phenomenon for the Executives. Harrison never says it in the short story, but this game is clearly conceived to do what John Houseman's Mr. Bartholomew says in the screenplay for Jewison's version. It shows the common man that individual effort is futile. Sure, because as I wrote in another essay, it tells the fan in the stands, "Look, this guy was playing well, but he died, just like you're going to die. And it was for nothing, just like your death will be. Your life is worthless. Your life as a worker doesn't matter the way executives' lives do."
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But the 1975 screenplay doesn't show that. Mr. Bartholemew says the line while he is talking to the heads of the other six corporations, but the film is too tame to back up his words. The reason the film is less gruesome is because it had to be rated so that people could come and watch. If there were actually fictional murders in every game we see, two things would happen. 1) The visual depictions of cold-hearted, point-enabling, crowd-pleasing killing would be like the hardness of a marble seat, and would eventually be ignored by our brains. And 2) the film would be rated X, which people of the day associated with pornography (and that's the reason NC-17 was eventually devised).
Wm Harrison wrote:The Tokyo skaters are either peering over their shoulders looking for approaching balls when I smash them, or, poor devils, they're looking for me when a ball takes them out of action.

One little bastard with a broken back flaps around a moment like a fish, then shudders and dies.

Balls jump at us as though they have brains.

But fate carries me as I somehow know it will; I'm a force field, a destroyer. I kick a biker into the path of a ball going at least 200 miles an hour. I swerve around a pileup of bikes and skaters, ride high on the track, zoom down and find a runner clubber who panics and misses with a roundhouse swing of his paddle; without much ado, I belt him out of play with the almost certain knowledge--I've felt it before--that he's dead before he hits the infield.
The game is a McGuffin in the short story, just a backdrop for the real story. To some extent Harrison retains that literary structure in his 1975 screenplay. But the game moves more to the center because this is an action film in part. The game cannot be as horrific as it is in the story without driving the film into X territory, so it is reformed. Only in the final sequence does the Rollerball game of the film become the original story's Roller Ball Murder. And it is chilling.
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John McTiernan's version makes the mistake of taking the action aspects of the 1975 screenplay and trying to make them the centerpoint of the film. Cliches are like snowballs, I guess, gathering up other cliches as they roll around the Rollerball rink, until everything about this film is covered in worthless ideas you've seen before and before. The film also shoots for a demographic that doesn't exist: the stupid teenager. No doubt these children exist in fiction, but rarely in movie theater seats. Especially if you have to pay to be there. Male teenagers are passingly interested in certain things, fast cars, racy lovers, and so forth. And there are two kinds of teenagers, which perhaps McTiernan neglected to factor into the film. Actors Klein and Romijn seemed to be under the impression that there was some social message to this film when they recorded the commentary, but it was a delusion.

It's clear that the original story had to be expanded and watered down, so to speak, to become a film. It didn't have to be as low-key as it was, but Jewison at least expected his viewers to be thinking people. McTiernan seems to think that the prospective viewers for his movie are as sheepish as the fictional viewers of Petrovich's Rollerball league. Guess they showed him by staying away in real life, eh?

The 1975 film was not a run-away hit, but the critics nearly all liked it. And it made its money back. The 2002 crashed and burned big time in every way.



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ROLLERBALL Fact Sheet and Rules of the Game [Transcribed by JP Trostle from a 1975 United Artist press release]
The Rules of the Game The Evolution of Rollerball By JP Trostle
Rollerball superstar, or Jesus Christ on skates by Richard Astle from Jump Cut, no. 10-11, 1976, pp. 23-24; copyright Jump Cut: A Review of Contemporary Media, 1976, 2004
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Post by YouTookMyName » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:14 am

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A Powerful Pawn

At the end of William Harrison's short story Roller Ball Murder, "Jonathan E, none other," is facing a Roller Ball Murder game in New York city which will be played without a time limit. There will be four of the new eccentric balls in play at all times. Jonathan tells his friend Cletus that "With those rules...it'll go no longer than an hour and we'll all be dead." In the final sentence of the story he is standing with his teammates and singing the corporate hymn for ENERGY just prior to the game. We are not told any more. Presumably, his prediction will come true. He's played RBM for 17 years. He knows it well.

As wealthy as Jonathan E has become, and it happened early in his career, he is nothing more than a pawn. He is the champion of RBM in the world, though. In the original story Harrison has the rules change constantly over the years. It is an odd short story that takes place over at least two years, and has flashbacks to when Jonathan was married to Ella at the beginning of his RBM career. The game is never called simply "Rollerball" but by its full name. In the course of the story Jonathan kills opposing players on purpose, and without either guilt or compassion. It's part of RBM, after all. The story seems to be his recollections as he sings the hymn, knowing that he will likely live less than one more hour.

Jonathan is powerful and rich, but the fans demand more carnage, and games that are played without time limits draw huge numbers of fans in other countries, so for the New York championship game "they" change the rules and remove the time limit. But Harrison doesn't tell us what happens. Could Jonathan actually survive this?
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For the 1975 screenplay Harrison had to give the germ ideas, that are the short story, more of a traditional structure. What he chose is rather hackneyed. Jonathan ticks off the powers that be, and they stage one game without rules or penalties, expecting that Jonathan E will be killed during the game. But he is not. Instead, he kills the leader, and foments a revolution. Yawn. The time frame of the movie is a few days. So in the screen version Jonathan becomes a powerful pawn who pushes back. For the screenplay Harrison adds the ridiculous idea that the game is meant to show the workers of the world that you cannot possibly win.

The 2002 screenplay makes Jonathan Cross
a Texas-cum-San Francisco boy who's good with some kind of street luge and who gets "rescued" by a person known to him. That person is a player in Rollerball, a startup professional game popular in the Middle East and Asia. People bet on it, and the players are basically the victims of human trafficking. There are no rules. At the time the movie came out there were rumors of Russian mobsters who would kidnap boys and girls from around the world and involve them in kiddie-porn and other things unsavory. A film about that would not have gone over well, so maybe the producers of Rollerball thought they could use RB as an analogy. But no one wanted to see that, either. I'm not sure of the connection between film and rumored crime lords, but I am sure of the failure of the movie.

In the more recent version Jonathan is merely part of an ensemble cast, while he is the star of both the game and the movie in the 1975 film. It is never made convincingly clear why Jonathan E won't just retire. It is one of those plot points that fridge logic tells you is stupid and ruins your memory of the movie, but such things are used all the time. Think of how many movies would be better if they just didn't bother with a life-and-death issue.
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Neither movie ever makes me feel as if Jonathan E (Jonathan Cross) is in any danger whatsoever. The killing of players during the game is never made clear. It seems that they are merely injured. Even bloody makeup cannot persuade me that Jonathan is near death or severe injury. I think that is the fault of the directors. Possibly of the writers. Maybe of the MPAA. The death aspect of the game is apparent only in the final game sequence of the 1975 film when players lie motionless on the track. It is presented as if it is a new, uncommon aspect of Rollerball.

Jonathan E is involved in a "life and death struggle" more or less of his own making. In other words, he flirts with committing suicide. At the end of the film he wins. But there is no victory. The six corporations are still in control of the world. It is "sound and fury signifying nothing" in its most transparent manifestation since the Bard put it on stage. Are we meant to wonder whether the corporations will find some way to kill Jonathan Pawn some other place, and then announce that he has died of an auto wreck, a sudden disease, or an otherwise concocted story? Why wouldn't they? They run the world.



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Jonathan Ends the Game from MovieClips.com
Reflections on "Rollerball" from stuartfernie.org
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Post by YouTookMyName » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:38 am

Aiiiiiiiiiight! :up: :up:

Another one finished.

A few days' break before I start the Blob Rematch, which will give me nearly 2 months to write and post only a few more items than the Quickmatches require.

Whew!

(Honestly, I'm starting to get tired of each rematch earlier and earlier into its run.)
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If you become rich and powerful, I hope that you will be cream rather than pond scum." --YTMN

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Post by Gort » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:56 am

Epistemophobia wrote:Paying for image hosting is an odd thing to do.
YouTookMyName wrote:It didn't occur to me that I could have made a new account with one of my other email addresses and have gotten an additional 10GB that way! Until after I'd paid for this. :D

Anyway, it will make it easier to keep track of where things are.

(I tell myself)
I just found this (how's that for an obvious lie?). What a goofy thing to write, YTMN. The amount of storage had nothing to do with the purchase. It was to get unlimited data transfer, remember?

Remember?

Because you know how you hate to get those emails saying that you're about to exceed 10 GB of data transfer in a month. Especially that one that said you'd transferred 10.1GB this month already and there were weeks left to go with no images available?

That's why.

You need a good night's rest, I think.
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This is the initial post for The Rematch between The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
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The movies are available in DVD format. The original is available in Blu-ray format.

1958 DVD: Amazon. -- DeepDiscount. -- CDUniverse.
1958 Blu-ray: DeepDiscount. -- Amazon. -- Walmart. -- CDUniverse.

1985 DVD: DeepDiscount. -- Amazon. -- CDUniverse.

Rumors have it that Twilight Time will release The Blob (1988) on Blu-ray during 2014, but that is not confirmed. Thus, a rumour.



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Netflix -- 1958 DVD & Blu-ray. -- 1988 DVD.

iTunes -- 1988. (No 1958 film at iTunes)

Amazon Instant Watch -- 1988. (No 1958 film on Instant)

A Google YouTube search -- the blob youtube 1958 1988




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Post by dreiser » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:23 am

Strangely, I've only seen the McQueen version w/in the last year. I don't quite understand the cult status, but it was okay.
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I just finished watching it about 5 minutes ago!
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Post by dreiser » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:22 am

I just meant that it's one of those films you hear about frequently. Again, it seems like a movie I would've enjoyed more as a kid.
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Post by YouTookMyName » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:36 am

The director was a religious guy, and wanted to keep the movie safe for the entire family to watch. My kids liked it. I didn't see it until I was a 40-something. But I've got an essay underway about blob films, one of which I did see as a kid, and I enjoyed it, although it frightened me a little. :D I suspect this one would have made me uneasy. My kids, on the other hand, had seen so many films with war scenes and the like, that they didn't seem to find it scary at all.

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Last night I watched the two blob movies back-to-back. My head is awash with ideas, and I keep typing them hastily into various files for the Rematch. Because of that, nothing is getting ready enough to post. But the Rematch for The Blob is officially underway.
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YouTookMyName wrote:I suspect this one would have made me uneasy.
Yeah, the 1958 would have brought about dreams that bordered on nightmares, but didn't make it there. The 1988 film on the other hand would have friggin' freaked me out when I was a boy!
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
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Year: 1988 Director: Chuck Russell -- Cast: Kevin Dillon, Shawnee Smith, Donovan Leitch Jr., Jeffrey DeMunn, Candy Clark, Joe Seneca, Beau Billingslea -- Length: 95 min. Color/Stereo -- estimated budget: $16,000,000; est. US gross (box office mojo): $8,247,943

On one of the two commentary tracks on the Criterion DVD release of The Blob (1958) Blob producer Jack H. Harris expresses his dismay over the 1988 production of the film. He says that the director went too far, whereas Irvin Yeaworth held back on a lot of the gore and killing aspects of the original film. Harris confesses that he wanted the original film to be scarier, and they even shot more explicit scenes of Dr. Hallam being consumed by the blob creature, but Yeaworth left them out. Harris recognized the wisdom of this eventually.

The odd thing is that Harris is also a producer for the 1988 remake. I guess he didn't have much to say when that Chuck Russell guy was in the middle of going too far. Only afterward. Now, it was a surprise to me when I finally read the full cast and crew list for the film (only when I was preparing this Rematch) and learned that Harris was producer for both versions of the story. That makes him similar to Lewis Allen, who produced both versions of Lord of the Flies.

I will agree that the 1988 film is not as elegant as the original in many respects, but it isn't a bad film. It fits into the style of 1980s sci-fi and horror films. It is not only the clothing styles and haircuts that are dated in this picture. I find more to like in this film than to dislike, but overall I'd have to say that I find it only slightly less likable than its predecessor. Of the two films I prefer much about the 1958 film. I saw both films within a week of each other, buying the Criterion release of the '58 and then finding the '88 at Best Buy, so I dragged it home with me. At the time they seemed almost equal but different.
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I still say they are different enough that you can't compare them directly. That's good, because it means you have to assess each on its merits as a movie. Both scripts have a lot of fridge logic that overtakes you after you watch. Why didn't this? and Why did that? And how the hell could? But while you watch they both only begin to fall apart, and neither ever quite makes it to disintegration.

A lot of people like the grosser style of the creature's people consumption that this film uses over the "tamer" style of the 1958 film.

Here are some aspects of the film and whether I like them or don't care for them:

Like: This script pulls two fast ones on you. At least it did on me the first time I saw it (2001, when the DVD came out). There are two characters, one of which seems to be major and they both get blobbed. Surprise! Of course, not any more.

Like: The film takes a few of the aspects of the original film and pushes them a bit farther. The attacks by the creature are much more gruesome. Many times a person under attack but not yet absorbed is represented by an animatronic puppet. Altogether the makeup special effects and creature effects are as well done and creepy as they could have been at the time.
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Like: Wherever Frank Darabont works the original plot gadgets into his script, he does it pretty slickly. Some of the additional plot points fall flat, but only because they are from other films. The original movie was not totally original either, but it seems more original because it mixes genres (juvenile delinquents and monsters). I also like that Darabont and Russell don't seem to feel obligated to copy the original film, merely to remake the basic idea.

Like: Shawnee Smith's character, Meg Penny, has a bit more moxy than Jane Martin is allowed to show in the original. When she is put into danger she doesn't merely attempt to flee; when cornered she roars and fights back. But the thing she is fighting is two-pronged, and in both cases much bigger than she is. To her credit, Meg Penny doesn't let that stop her. At the end she is transcendent.

Like: The film is good at building suspense, and where it doesn't build suspense, it is pretty decent at creating dread. That's good in a horror film.

Like: The non-teen "teenagers" are at least closer to their teen years than those in the 1958 film. And they look the part a bit more accurately than the earlier cast. I think that's a sign of the change in audience expectations, though, more than a conscious choice made by the casting director. By the 1980s it wasn't enough for the character to be a teenager because another cast member talked about him or her as if they were teens, they needed to look the part. Leitch and Dillon do for the most part, and Shawnee Smith was only 18 when the film was released in August, 1988.
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Like: Most of the time when your buttons are being pushed you won't mind.
Don't Like: Sometimes the button-pushing is so damned obvious and disgusting that you will consider turning the film off.
Like: But more often than not you are liable to find something redeeming enough in the next moment to keep you watching.


Don't Like: As low-budg as the first film was, it at least had characterization. These 1988 characters are one-dimensional people that we watch for an hour and a half. In this film the only thing with any development is the blob itself, and it only gets bigger and meaner.

Don't Like: The blob makes a slurping sound when it moves. How stupid. I'm kind of tired of everything in a film having to have an accompanying audio tag.

Don't Like: Everything in this film seems keyed to something in another film. Obviously, and forgivably, the 1958 version of The Blob. It's a remake, so that should be in here. But there are copycats of, or homages to (if you will), so many other films.

Don't Like: We have the trope, oops, cliche of government scientists carrying out a secret research project. The leader of these biologists largely has no respect for the townspeople. Dr. Meddows is a mad scientist, evil to the core. This aspect would all be well and good, but the entire production has a copy-Spielberg vibe to it that is a little disappointing.
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Don't Like: The film seems less original than it is because it looks like Close Encounters of the Third Kind and E.T. And it sounds like any number of 80s films. The writing style is cheeky, but not all that humorous, like a lot of 1980s films. Maybe it would have seemed more original if it hadn't been 13 years old when I first saw it.

Don't Like: The zeitgeist of the 1980s didn't care for innocence, and it lapped up cynicism. So, it's no surprise that cynicism reigns in this movie. But I prefer the more innocent ambiance of the original film simply because that's just one more counterpoint that it chalks up. For example, the 1958 movie doesn't have any jump scenes. This one does. Jump scenes existed in 1958, but the filmmakers didn't feel compelled to use them to get reflex responses. Instead, they went for the slow knife approach.

Don't Like: The conflict in this film is ramped way up compared to that in the 1958 version. There is possibly a point where it would have seemed to fit, but they blew right past that point and kept a-goin. Sgt. Bert in the Yeaworth version doesn't dislike Steve Andrews any more than he dislikes any teenager. He hates them all, and distrusts them all. But Deputy Briggs in this version has a specific and intense dislike of Brian Flagg.

Don't Like: A character gets pulled forward by a blob pseudopod so that his back breaks and his head and heels clank together. Come on, that's just stupid. And it's used in so many "cheep horra flicks." I think the guy going down the kitchen sink drain is more plausible. Ha ha.
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Overall I like the movie. Where it fails it has at least made an attempt. I didn't mind at all that I had to watch it another 3 times to prepare the Rematch, and have overall been looking forward to this comparison. Watching the character that the filmmakers and Shawnee Smith create be a genuine "strong woman" is fun. The only thing that nearly derails it is the over-reliance on tried and true generalities. It is well-shot, the characterizations are pretty good, and in general the production values are high. But I'd recommend watching the pair of films in release order.



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The Blob at The Monster Shack. "This installment of my 'Then and Now' series will focus on the well-known film entitled 'The Blob.' The original version of the film was released in 1958, starring a 27 year old Steve McQueen (billed for the first and only time as 'Steven McQueen'). The remake of the film was released 30 years later, in 1988, starring a young Kevin Dillon (and yes, he is Matt Dillon's brother). Both films feature the amorphous killer 'blob,' which rolls around and devours anything that it comes across, although the monster's origins are radically different in the two films."
The Blob (1958) Teens are people too! from Cinema de Merde; Submitted by CdMScott on Tue, 07/07/2009 - 2:00am. "THE BLOB [1988] is a loving remake that rightfully ups the horror and gore."
Remakes That Are Better Than Their Original: “The Blob” (1988) from Slasher Studios.com. This is another guest review from Thomas Parsons. "So where does this 1988 version of THE BLOB fit in? In short, it’s one of the best remakes out there! I can remember watching cartoons with my younger Brother on TV after school (THUNDERCATS to be precise) and while channel surfing, we caught a trailer for the latest remake film THE BLOB. In the preview, the audience watched as a man got sucked down a sink drain by the blob creature! It was a very effective movie trailer, always sticking around in the back of my mind for many years."
The Blob (1988) – A Retrospective from Cinefantastique By Steve Biodrowski • May 4, 2008. "Russell’s take on THE BLOB was also a departure from the original, though in a different way. He didn’t use the premise as a springboard to re-imagine the material in a totally new way; instead, he retained the basic elements and goosed them up to make them commercially viable for a contemporary audience."
Classic Horror Month: The Blob (1988) from Better With Popcorn Submitted by Caleb Pass on Fri, 10/05/2012 - 18:50. "Oh yeah, I keep mentioning this... the effects. Dream Quest Images worked on the effects in this film and it's what really makes the movie stand out. They utilized mattes, matte paintings, stop motion animation, and tons of other stuff that can hardly be explained, but who cares because it looks amazing."
The Blob (1988): Shawnee Smith DOES Have Feelings! from The Horror Digest... (Plus Other Stuff). Posted by Andre Dumas at 9:41 PM. "I wasn't surprised that The Blob was a special effects spectacular because I had been told so countless times. I also wasn't surprised that the 1988 remake would surpass in many ways its predecessor because again, I had been told this countless times. However, I WAS deeply surprised that no one bothered to mention the little fact that Shawnee Smith was in this."
The Blob (1988) from Dueling Zombies. Reviews and Rotting Flesh. October 29, 2013 by Michael Huffstutler. "You have the basic plot, teenagers, alien lifeform, government coverup, theater chow-fest for the monster, and even a freaking sewer scene! And for those real freaks out there, The Blob even has tentacles…Yeah, it panders to you freaks too."
The Blob (1988) *** from 1000 Misspent Hours. "In any case, it seems pretty obvious that the new, deadlier blob— which could not have been realized at all convincingly with the special effects technology of the late 1950’s— is the real reason why this movie was made. There are a few commendable attempts to give this version of The Blob a personality distinct from the original, and some of them actually work, but it’s hard to argue with the proposition that advances in special effects were the filmmakers’ primary inspiration."
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
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Year: 1958 Director: Irvin S. Yeaworth Jr. -- Cast: Steve McQueen, Aneta Corsaut, Stephen Chase, Olin Howland, Earl Rowe -- Length: 86 min. Color/Mono -- estimated budget: $240,000.00; est. gross: $24,000,000.00 and counting

This film cost about $240,000 (1.9 million adjusted for inflation) and some sources claim that it has made a hundred times that much. TCM.com says that Irvin Yeaworth claims (confirms) that the budget was only $120,000.00. Who knows? It is the result of one of those first time at bat experiences that turns out amazing, and you're never able to equal it again. But, you don't have to, because you did it once.

Jack Harris' desire to prove that he could make a film as good as or better than the low-budget fare that his company distributed, coupled with an idea that Irvine H. Millgate pitched to him (The Molten Meteor), and Harris' choice to use the religious production house, Pennsylvania's Valley Forge Film Studios, along with some other chance happenings created this long-lasting film. Yeaworth and Vally Forge were looking for some entertainment film that they could test their skills on. Maybe synergy would be a good term to toss in here.

A lot of totally rotten films have been produced on low budgets. This one didn't turn out to be a turkey. A lot of bad acting has been done in low budget films. The acting in this one turned out to be better than merely passable. The writing in low-budget pictures is often questionable, or downright clunky. The script for this movie is pretty smooth, all things considered.
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Irvin Yeaworth's Criterion commentary has the story of how the original title was thought to be uncool, so a chalkboard was set up in a room at the studio, and people would put up their ideas about possible titles. One day there was "The Glob that Circled the Globe" which struck the three producers' fancies. They shortened it to The Glob, and that was going to be the release title until they learned that the title had already been used. So they hunted for similar words. Harris started at "A" and went through the alphabet. Fortuitously the second letter gave them "The Blob" which made sense, and that's what they used as the title. It's a good thing they didn't reject that, because I think the next workable word they'd have come to would be "The Slob," and that likely wouldn't have worked, either.

Their aim, according to Yeaworth? To choose a title that comedians would make fun of in print and on television, which would give them free publicity. It worked.

Here are some aspects of the film and whether I like them or don't care for them:

Like: This is the only horror film I know of that seems to have an underlying current of "all will be okay." It seems to come from the kind of serendipity that stems from people who love what they're doing, all working together. Irvin Yeaworth's commentary on the Criterion DVD reveals that many of the people who worked on the film, crew and cast alike, were more or less working for room and board at the Valley Forge Film Studios. The current is something that isn't really meant to be part of the film, but seems to infuse it. The project probably shouldn't have worked, but it did. And it still does.
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Like: The story is straightforward, and out of bounds at the same time. If you're writing a tale, why create a monster that truly cannot be destroyed? It's like knowing that you can clear a one meter hurdle, and deciding to build some two-meter ones. But these writers came up with a clever work around, and the monster that cannot be destroyed is stopped...but not destroyed. All without going into complicated explanations, or calling on some rescue that's even more implausible than the shapeless alien creature. You have to admire that.

Like: The film is in color. So many movies with dirt cheap budgets during that era were made in black and white. That just would not have worked for The Blob. And color is what makes the blob work as a monster. It's red. Like gore. It would be a dark gray mass in black and white, which would drain all the emotional impact out of it.

Like: I love it when someone takes an idea that sounds dumb and finds the genius in it...even if they don't realize that they located the genius.

Like: Bart Sloane had never done special effects of this type before. No one had (shades of Gojira!), so he and his small team had to improvise. This was the first time a glob of silicone had been used as the monster in a film. Sloane had to invent a way to make it, and to make it seem to move on its own. Living blobs of silicone are incredibly rare. And what he does works. Mostly.
Don't Like: The producers were running out of money and even though some of their special effects turned out looking weird, they didn't have the money to go back and redo them. So we see their failures as well as their successes. Bart Sloane was the man who made the special effects work on a shoestring. And whose ideas sometimes didn't quite work out...on the same shoestring.
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Like: The resulting film is suitable for families. Yeaworth admits that very small children are frightened by the movie, but it's otherwise pretty much whole family fare. Perhaps this is what gives it that placid although tense ambiance.
Don't Like: Producer Jack Harris wanted at least one scene to be really scary and gruesome, and I agree that this might have added some goosebumps to the proceedings. On the other hand, that was done in the remake. Although just one shot like the gory death of a character in the hospital in the remake would have amped up the fright level of the 1958 film, it would also have seemed a bit out of place.

Don't Like: Actors beyond the teen years (by a lot) are hired to play teenagers, causing greater than ordinary amounts of willing suspension of disbelief. This taxes the movie-going public a little more than we want, and the result is that we simply cannot believe these men and women are high school age. That takes the edge off our ability to be drawn into the story to some extent, and ... well, it's a shame, is all. At least it's in color.

Don't Like: The conflict between characters seems to be at a realistic level, but sometimes the plot elements seem to fall into place too easily. We don't see a lot of struggle. Although I have to admit that the film works fine without it. And in the remake that conflict aspect is elevated, and seems, forced.


The Blob is an enjoyable entertainment. One of those things that comes together by effort but because of circumstances seems to be more the result of magic. Irvin Yeaworth confesses that they didn't shoot much more film than we see on screen. He was editing in the camera, a task which he believes they took to far. So in editing they often had to hang on a take for lack of reverse angle shots to quicken the pace. As a result he thinks the film has a slower pace than he initially imagined, but I think that works in its favor. All through the story it has you right along with it. There are no head-scratching moments until afterward, when you go to the fridge for a slice of pie.
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The Blob (1958) Turner Classic Movies "When Steve tries to warn the responsible adults in his town, he is dismissed as the boy who cried "blob." None of them believe his fantastic story about this ever-expanding alien mass that continues to consume the local residents one by one. So Steve and Jane have to come up with a solution on their own."
The Blob (1958) from Exclamation Mark Vintage SciFi/Horror Film Reviews September 2, 2006 – 10:01 pm. "As a preteen I was intrigued by the idea that the kids were the heroes. The adults (parents, police, etc) are well-meaning, but it’s the teenagers who convince the populace of the problem, and ultimately, the teenagers are the ones who arrive at a solution to defeat the monster. I wasn’t a teenager yet, but I soon would be, and this notion was something I could really sink my teeth into."
The Blob at The Monster Shack. "This installment of my 'Then and Now' series will focus on the well-known film entitled 'The Blob.' The original version of the film was released in 1958, starring a 27 year old Steve McQueen (billed for the first and only time as 'Steven McQueen'). The remake of the film was released 30 years later, in 1988, starring a young Kevin Dillon (and yes, he is Matt Dillon's brother). Both films feature the amorphous killer 'blob,' which rolls around and devours anything that it comes across, although the monster's origins are radically different in the two films."
The Blob Irvin S. Yeaworth Jr. from The Criterion Collection. "Strong performances and ingenious special effects help The Blob transcend the schlock sci-fi and youth delinquency genres from which it originates."
The Blob (1958) – A Retrospective from Cinefantastique By Steve Biodrowski • January 1, 1989. "Most of the classic movie monsters are derived from folklore (the Wolfman), literature (Frankenstein), or a combination of the two (Dracula). Only a very few are original products of Hollywood. Of these latter creatures, one of the most memorable ever to leave its indelible impression upon the popular psyche is the Blob."
The Blob (1958) Teens are people too! from Cinema de Merde; Submitted by CdMScott on Tue, 07/07/2009 - 2:00am. "It ends up being one-quarter pretty good blob rampage scenes, and three-quarters deadly dull teen melodrama [although I suppose drinks and friends could make these scenes amusing], making it still worth seeing, but less fun than one would hope. The special effects and the general looniness of the whole thing makes it fun, though, and it certainly delivers a lot more 50s monster movie fun than something like the unexpectedly dull Attack of the 50ft Woman."
THE BLOB from The Sci-Fi Movie Page. "It’s bad, but never painfully bad . . ."
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I'm getting four technical information posts out of the way at once, tonight. I'm not sure anyone reads them, but these are extremely short due to lack of much information about these peeps.
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
The Writers

1958
Irvine H. Millgate original idea. Millgate had the idea for The Molten Meteorite, which was written up and which later was re-titled The Glob, but that name was taken, so it became The Blob. Millgate's only writer credits are for the two films in this Rematch. He has a producer credit for a 1974 short film.

Theodore Simonson screenplay. This man's credits mostly center on Irvin Yeaworth's movies. The Blob (1958), (and he gets credit in the remake for the original screenplay), 4D Man (1959), and an episode of General Electric Theater on TV.

Kay Linaker screenplay. Linaker used to write as Kate Phillips (after marrying in 1945). She has five writer credits under that name, the middle and last of which are the original Blob film and the remake. But she has 56 credits as actress from 1936 to 1945. She received an estimated $150.00 for her touch-up work on The Blob. She had the distinction of being the oldest college professor in New England when, at age 90+ she retired from teaching screenwriting at Keene State College in New Hampshire. Mrs. Phillips died at 94 of heart failure.



1988
The three persons listed above, plus:
Chuck Russell screenplay. Russell is also the director of this film (and 7 others). His writing work includes only two other screenplays, for Dreamscape (1984) and A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987). He did double duty on the Elm Street picture just as he did a year later for The Blob. I can't comment on his writing style, as I haven't seen any of his scripts other than The Blob.

Frank Darabont screenplay. This man has been involved in many aspects of films, just as his co-writer. Darabont has also developed television series, and has 19 nominations (with 12 wins) for various awards. I'm not sure whether he would be best known on this board as the director of The Shawshank Redemption (1994) and The Green Mile (1999), or the developer of The Walking Dead (2010) TV series. Darabont has writing credit on 20 of the first 48 episodes of the show. He worked with Chuck Russell on the screen play for A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987) as well as the 1988 Blob movie. Another project that Darabont once had was writing 5 episodes for The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones, when it was a TV show (The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles 1992-1993). The shows have now been edited into 90-minute direct to video movies. Darabont has also acted a bit, for example, he played an airplane gunner in the 2005 remake of King Kong.


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At the Helm

1958
Irvin S. Yeaworth Jr.. On the Criterion DVD people call Yeaworth "Shorty" which I thought had to do with his height. But it seems that his middle name, "Shortess" was probably the source for that nickname. He has 6 directorial credits, and 5 producer credits at IMDb. The Blob was Yeaworth's first 35mm feature, but he had always worked in color for his religious short films. He made two more feature films with producer Jack H. Harris, 4D Man (1959) and Dinosaurus! (1960), and then felt called to do other things. He died at age 79 in Amman, Jordan in an auto accident. He was working on an entertainment complex that was under construction there. The complex has been described as being "like Disneyland."



1988
Chuck Russell. Russell is the director of this film (and 7 others). He is also a credited writer on The Blob (1988). He started in the movies in 1976 as a production supervisor and second assistant director on Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw. By 1987 he was a director per se, and The Blob (1988) was his second directorial effort. Russell is still directing films, with one due out this year. He has been more active as a producer since 1979, with 12 credits in that area. Russell accumulated 8 producer credits before he moved over to the Director's chair. He was producer for only two of his directorial gigs. His better-known directorial output might include The Mask (1994), Eraser (1996) and The Scorpion King (2002).



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Behind the Lens

1958
Thomas E. Spalding worked as a credited DP from 1958 with this film, until 1990. He has 16 screen credits at IMDb. He lived from 1926 to 1996, dying just short of his 70th birthday. Spalding worked with Irvin Yeaworth again in 1967 on a feature entitled Way Out which details the life of a drug addict who eventually finds Jesus. Apparently the heroin addict just decides to shoot up with a friend one day for kicks, and becomes hooked. Spalding worked across genres, including photography of one episode of the 1986 revival of Alfred Hitchcock Presents.



1988
In 1976 Mark Irwin was the cinematographer for Point of No Return, which was not nominated for either a BAFTA or an Oscar. You may recognize his name from an earlier Rematch, because he won an award for his direction of photography on The Fly (1986). But it was his fourth award from the Canadian Society of Cinematographers, of which Irwin is a member. Once he got the bug, he continued to ply his trade, and has accumulated 120 cinematographer credits to date. He imposed the on-screen look that you remember from Scanners (1981), Videodrome (1983) and Dumb & Dumber (1994). I probably first became acquainted with his visual style when I saw 10 Things I Hate About You (1999). He has worked in a range of genres, for both theatrical release and TV movies. IMDb bio says that Irwin "Was David Cronenberg's regular cinematographer until 1988, when he was unavailable to shoot Dead Ringers (1988) because he was already committed to The Blob (1988). Irwin has not worked with Cronenberg since then." So was this Rematch's 1988 movie the cause for a workplace divorce of sorts?



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In the Cutting Room

1958
Alfred Hillmann's only editorial credit is for the 1958 film. In 1964 he received a Producer credit for Thunder in Dixie.



1988
Tod Feuerman shares editorial credit on The Blob (1988) with Terry Stokes. Feuerman has 52 credits in this realm, from 1987 until the present. The Blob was his second credit as Editor. Most of these credits are for movies made for TV release. Most recently he has accumulated editorial credits for the television series House of Lies and Mistresses. His co-editor, Stokes, first worked with Chuck Russell on his 1987 film A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, followed in the next year by The Blob (1988). He has no credits listed at IMDb later than 2009. As with Feuerman, most of Stokes' credits are for television movies.


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There!

*brushes a light dusting of bbcode off his hands, and goes to watch a movie not The Blob.*
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Mmm, BBCode sauce.
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Quite-Gone Genie wrote:Mmm, BBCode sauce.
Yeah. Tastes slightly nutty, slightly piquant.
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)

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Dramatis Personae

Irvin S. Yeaworth wasn't directing stars when The Blob was shooting in the 1950s. The main player in the film went on to become a star, but The Blob made him one. Thirty years later the remake had no stars in its cast. Low-budget films can offer a chance to an actor or actress to be seen. It cannot guarantee that anyone will see them. Producers of films with marginal budgets rely on that factor to draw a bit better players to the roles. By 1988 the special effects were the stars of the remake. It didn't draw the exposure to its cast that the 1958 film drew to those who play its parts. Even with home video it took until 2001 for a DVD of the remake to be released. The movie made it to VHS in 1992, though.
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1958 Steve Andrews -- 1988 Brian Flagg: These are the JDs (juvenile delinquents) of the films, played by Steven McQueen (1958) and Kevin Dillon (1988). Andrews is the main character because Irvine H. Millgate and Jack Harris didn't distrust teenagers. Harris was tired of the bad boys who met bad ends in so many of the films he distributed. He wanted to show that the juvies could also be forces for good in the world, so in the 1958 film they not only have drag races in the street, but they rush to the school to bring CO2 extinguishers to George's diner to subdue the beastie. Despite appearing 10 years too old to be Steve Andrews, McQueen plays the part the best he can. He makes Andrews into a rebel without a cause who nonetheless tries to help people out and warn them when the chips are down. Similarly, Kevin Dillon's character Brian Flagg (the 1980s characters had to have "cool" names) is seemingly directionless, but his hard heart softens when he sees what is really going on. Especially when he sees it's not some ditzy cheerleader's hallucination. At best the two men play the boys they are supposed to be with a degree of believability. I guess that's enough for films of this type.

Both commenters on the Criterion DVD point out that they saw, or were told that Steve McQueen had only one thing hanging on the wall of the room where he died: a poster for The Blob.
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1958 Jane Martin -- 1988 Meg Penny: Jane has been taken out for the first time by Steve Andrews, although they seem to know one another from living in the same town for all their lives. This was Aneta Corsaut's first feature film. Her part seems destined to pull out Andrews' feminine side, although he had to already be big-hearted and socially concerned for him to respond to her cues in the way he does. She isn't given some archetypal role, such as cheerleader. In 1988 Meg Penny has to be a cheerleader. She is drawn into the events of the film because a football team member asks her out for their first date. It does not go well, especially for him. Meg Penny, played by Shawnee Smith in her twelfth credited screen outing is more active in the plot than her original was. She sees that an alliance between her and Brian Flagg is the town's only hope, but he isn't immediately convinced that her problem is real, or that her overtures toward him are anything other than baiting. She sticks it out, even when he quits (twice) and believes in his ability to do what needs to be done. Eventually he does, too. "Behind every good man..." the old saying goes. And Hollywood uses the saying here as if it is true. Except in this case, sometimes she's out front dragging him along behind her.


The leads were all unknowns in 1958, so Harris and Yeaworth wanted to people their town with old, familiar faces, and hired as many well-known character actors as their budget would support. Although I have no DVD commentary to tell me for sure, it looks like the casting for the 1988 film followed suit.
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1958 Lt. Dave -- 1988 Sheriff Herb Geller: These characters represent the authority figures who have a more reasonable attitude toward teenagers, especially teenage guys. Consequently, Lt. Dave and Sheriff Geller spend a lot of energy counteracting the vitriol of Sgt. Bert and Deputy Briggs. Earl Rowe brings Lt. Dave to life in the original film. He is contentious with Sgt. Bert over Bert's contempt for young Andrews. But he is mostly as patient with him as he is with the teenagers. He has to point out to Bert that being 17 is not a crime. Jeffrey DeMunn plays Geller with tired resolve. He is looking forward to a quiet weekend off, but now something's come up...as usual. He has a shine for Fran, owner of an eatery in town, but he finally gets up the nerve to ask her out too late. He has nothing against Brian Flagg specifically, and isn't sure that he's done anything wrong, a fact that he has to keep pointing out to Deputy Briggs, who is ready to string Flagg up immediately.
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1958 Sgt. Jim Bert -- 1988 Deputy Bill Briggs: Second-tier policemen who hate Andrews and Flagg with something akin to passion. Let's just say that if they loved a woman with the constancy and intensity with which they hate Andrews/Flagg, their ladies would be happy. Bert's dislike of Andrews is somewhat fallout from his general disdain of teenagers. But Briggs specifically detests Flagg for what seems like no reason. John Benson plays Sgt. Bert with a bit of balance, but he tends to jump to conclusions whenever youngsters are involved. He sees them as culprits without evidence. He needs no evidence. Benson makes Bert a pain in the side of the viewer as well as his fictional peers, which is sign of pretty good acting. Paul McCrane plays Deputy Briggs as more of an asshole. Sgt. Bert is given a reason for distrusting teenagers, but Deputy Briggs just hates Brian Flagg. He doesn't give or need a reason, except that Flagg is simply no good. It's the kind of character that makes real life (and movies) unbearable for a moment or two once in a while. But, of course, only when they are around. Creating that kind of guy is McCrane's job, and he does it well enough.
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1958 Old Man -- 1988 Can Man: Olin Howland played the Old Man in the first film. He figures in another Remake Rematch (The Maltese Falcon) where he played Dunhill in Satan Met a Lady (1936). The initial victim of the blob was his last role. He plays the old man with just the right mixture of curiosity and reluctance. The Can Man in the 1988 film results from the acting efforts of Billy Beck. He worked in films as a character actor until he was 89, often playing characters called Old Man or Old Timer toward the end of his career. Like Olin Howland, he has a very small part, but a very crucial one in the remake. He made 31 credited appearances after The Blob (1988).
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There are other parallels in minor support roles such as mechanics, nurses, restaurant owners. But this essay deals with only the ones who can be identified in both versions of the story. Meg Penny has a little brother, just as Jane Martin does. But Penny's little brother has a little friend with whom he sneaks out to a movie. That is a non-parallel, an addition to the 1988 film that complicates it and makes it more or less interesting, depending on how you feel about the sleekness of the 1958 movie.



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1958 Full Cast & Crew
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Post by YouTookMyName » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:09 pm

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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
Lines You Might Recall

Both these films are largely cinematic, in that the story is told by the action on the screen. This means the dialog is merely expositional or incidental, and that doesn't lend itself to quotability. These lines are taken from srt subtitles files available online.

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(Song lyrics, over opening credits)
Beware of the Blob
It creeps and leaps
And glides and slides across the floor
Right through the door and all around the wall
A splotch, a blotch
Be careful of the Blob

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(Steve Andrews and Jane Martin are sitting on his convertible car with the top down. It is night, and they are on top of a mountain.)
Steve: Jane, I've never brought anyone up here before.
Jane: Never?
Steve: Never.
Jane: Well, I may be crazy, but...I believe you.
Steve: Well, you're not crazy.
(A meteor streaks overhead and comes to ground)
Steve: Boy, that was close!
(Steve squirms down into the driver's seat and starts the engine.)
Steve: Come on. I want to see if I can find it.
(They drive away)

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Doctor Hallan: Let's take a look. Take it easy, old-timer. (to Steve Andrews) What is it he's got on his hand?
Steve: I don't know, Doc. It was kind of like... well, a big blister on his fingers, you know?

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Doctor Hallan (on the phone to his nurse who has already left for the day): Kate? Dr. Hallen.
I'm still at the office. Something's come up. I'll need your help right away. No, you've got to come back. There's a man here with some sort of a parasite on his arm. It's assimilating his flesh at a frightening speed. I may have to get ahead of it and amputate.
No, I... I don't know what it is or where it came from.

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Mooch (examining at a piece of the meteorite): You mean that this little pebble has been out there hot-roddin' around the universe?

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(Steve returns to his car after seeing Doc Hallan get attacked by the creature.)
Jane: Steve. Steve, what's the matter? (He is obviously shaken, and doesn't reply) Steve, tell me what happened.
Steve: I can't.
Jane: Well, what happened?
Steve: It was so...
Jane: Steve, what is it?
Steve: It's got the doc. It's got...
Jane: What's the matter with him?
Steve: Just like the thing on the old man's hand, only it was bigger. Then it was on his whole head, and then in just a second he disappeared.
Jane: He disappeared?
Steve: He was all gone. He was all gone.... You know, he just disappeared.
Jane: Steve, what are you talking about?
Steve: I'm sorry. Get in the car, Jane.

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Sgt. Jim Bert: Let me tell you what happened, kid. You and whoever else was in on this thought you'd put one over on the police. So you break in here, you mess the place up...
Lt. Dave: Wait a minute, Jim. The kids couldn't have done this. You saw for yourself. The window was locked from the inside,
and so was the door.
Sgt. Jim Bert: They rigged it with string. It's part of their plan to make us look silly.
Jane: I think you're doing that pretty well by yourself, Sergeant.

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Mrs. Porter: Can't I just dust around the fingerprints?

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Lt. Dave: I don't care what Bertie's ideas are! He acts like we're still fighting the war. Just because some kid smacks
into his wife on the turnpike doesn't make it a crime to be 17 years old!

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(Sgt. Jim Bert walks into the police station)
Sgt. Bert: I just saw a strange one.
Lt. Dave: What do you mean?
Sgt. Bert: On my way back here, I ran into Mr. Connors coming outta that bar...in the building he owns over on Second Street. He'd just stopped in, and there was nobody there. Queerest thing I've ever seen. TV was playin' away. The cash register was there with the money still in it. Nobody around. No bartender, nobody.

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(Dave is in the police car on a phone patch to the military.)
Lt. Dave: Our power's still out, so we can't do much in the way of refrigeration. We think we've got it under control,
but we won't rest easy until it's frozen solid. Now...
No, it's too big for that, and it's impossible to cut it.
No, sir, a bomb would spread it all over the country.
Look, this thing has killed probably 40 or 50 people since last night. In a few hours, we're gonna have the sun overhead. I think you should send us the biggest transport plane you have...and take this thing up to the Arctic or somewhere where it'll never thaw out.

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Scott: Paul, look at her, man. Look at her! I think she wants your body. You got to ask her out, Paul.
Paul: Isn't she dating Pulver?
Scott: Yeah, but that's going nowhere. Take a shot, for Christ's sake.
Paul: Hey, I'm going to ask her out.
Scott: Bullshit! When, when, when?
Paul: When the time is right.
Scott: Yeah, right.
Paul: Timing's everything.

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Herb Geller: You like country music?
Fran: Herb, are you asking me out?
Herb Geller: Yeah, well, I guess I am.
Fran: I don't know. I'm kind of stuck here. You know, I've got to earn a living.
Herb Geller: Yeah, it must be tough trying to get away.
Fran: Shoot!
(shouts to her cook)
George, here they come.
Herb Geller: Is that my check? (pulls out a business card) If you do get any free time to yourself...that's my number there down at the station.
Fran: Okay.
(When Herb looks as his ticket he sees that she has written "I'm off at 11:00" at the bottom.)

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(Sheriff Geller pulls up to an intersection where Brian Flagg is leaning against a building smoking a cigarette.)
Herb Geller: Flagg. Congratulations.
Brian: For what?
Herb Geller (with a fatherly tone of voice): I hear you have a birthday coming up. No more juvie hall, right?
Brian: Yeah, right.
Herb Geller: You mess up now and you're in the majors. I'll see you around, Flagg.

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(Kevin Penny and his friend Eddie are at the table in Kevin's kitchen. Kevin eats Jello directly off the plate with his mouth.)
Mrs. Penny: Kevin! Don't eat with your face.
Kevin: Mom, we're in a hurry. We're going bowling with Anthony.
Eddie: And then to the movies.
(Kevin kicks Eddie under the table and glares at him.)
Mrs. Penny: What movie?
Eddie: Garden Tool Massacre. It's your basic slice-and-dice.
Mrs. Penny: Your basic what?
Eddie: This guy in a hockey mask, he chops up a few teenagers. But don't worry, there's no sex or anything bad.
Mrs. Penny: They won't let you kids into a movie like that.
Eddie: No problem. My brother's an usher.
Mrs. Penny (to Kevin): No. Absolutely not.
Kevin: Mom, come on!
Mrs. Penny: Kevin! I will not have you seeing that kind of trash, and that's final. Do you understand?
Kevin: Yes, ma'am.

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(Brian has just met up with the Can Man and is chasing him through the woods. Paul and Meg are in Paul's car on a country road.)
Meg: I'm really sorry about my dad. I've never seen him like that before.
Paul: That's okay. It was just a misunderstanding. I've made better first impressions, though. That's for sure.
Meg: No harm done, I guess.
Paul: No, wrong. Scott Jeskey is gonna die.
(The Can Man runs across the road, and Paul's car hits him.)
Meg: Paul, watch out!
(Brian runs up behind the fallen Can Man. )
Paul (to Brian): Flagg! Jesus Christ. What did you do to him?
Brian: I'm not the one who bounced him off my car, pal!
Paul: You ran him in the middle of the road!
Meg: Stop it! Let's get him to a doctor.
Brian: Watch out. He's got some kind of corrosive shit on his hands.
(Paul picks up teh Can Man and walks him to the car.)
Paul: Come on. Take it easy, mister. We'll get you some help. All right?
Can Man: The sky. It fell from the sky.
Paul: What's he saying?
Meg: He's in shock. Let's just go.
Paul (to Brian, who is walking away): Hey! Get in the car.
Brian: What for?
Paul: There'll be a lot of explaining to do, and you're part of it....Are you going to get in the car, or am I going to make you get in?
Brian: What's the matter, Taylor? You worried about a little insurance claim on Daddy's car? Huh? Maybe I will come along...just to make sure you don't blame this whole thing on me.
Meg: Are you two finished?
(The boys bump shoulders as Brian gets into the car. Paul climbs behind the wheel, Brian puts his left arm on the seat behind Meg's shoulders.)
Brian: Whenever you're ready.

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(Brian helps an attendant put the Can Man into a wheelchair.)
Brian: Hey. Take it easy, old dude. These guys are going to fix you right up.
(Brian begins to leave the hospital.)
Paul: Where are you going?
Brian: These people don't give a shit about explanations. If you need me, you know where to find me.
(Paul sits down and fills out paperwork. Meg sits beside him, reading a magazine.)
Paul: I bet you've had better first dates, huh?.

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(Brian is being detained by Briggs. A clerk comes in to hang up a clipboard. Geller is also there, and indicates Brian as he speaks to her.)
Herb Geller: Any luck with his mama?
Clerk: I can't seem to find her.
Deputy Briggs: That's not unusual, is it? She takes vacations with Johnnie Walker Red and anyone else who happens to be around, huh Brian? Of course, we could call his dad, if anyone knew who he was.
Brian: Hey, uh, call a shrink. I'm a broken man.
Deputy Briggs: You think this is a joke?
(Geller leads Briggs off to the other side of the office.)
Herb Geller: Turn him loose.
Deputy Briggs: We got eyewitnesses placing him at the crime scene.
Herb Geller: We got no motive. No evidence. He hasn't got a drop of blood on him. Hell, Flagg's a punk. But he's no killer.
Deputy Briggs: I think it's a mistake.
Herb Geller: Your objection is duly noted. Now turn him loose. We got work to do.

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(Brian is eating a sandwich at Fran's cafe. Meg comes and sits at his table.)
Brian: You don't give up, do you?
Meg: I need your help.
Brian: For three years in school you haven't said shit to me. All of a sudden you need my help and we're best friends, right?
Meg: Nobody believes me about what happened tonight.
Brian: What did happen?
Meg: You were there. You saw.
Brian: All I saw was an old man with a funky hand. That's all I saw.

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(Meg and Brian have been put into a van and are being driven back into town by the Feds. Brian is trying to open the back door.)
Brian: I think this whole thing stinks.
Meg: Well, we can't just run out.
Brian: Let's just think of it as looking out for our best interests.
(Brian gets the door unlocked and it swings open.) You coming?
Meg: Brian, I have to go back. My family's there, people that I care about.
(Brian is clearly ready to jump out.)
Brian: I'm going. If you're smart, you'll come with me.
Meg: Then go. Take care of yourself. That's the only thing you're really good at.
Brian: No one else ever volunteered for the job.
(He jumps out of the truck and rolls on the grass.)

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(Meg, Kevin and Eddie are in the sewers beneath the city trying to escape the creature.)
Kevin: Is it still after us?
Meg: I don't think so.
Eddie (crying): I'll be good, I swear. I'll never see a movie, ever again.
Meg: It's going to be okay. Let's just find a way out of here.

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(Brian, carrying Meg with him, drives his bike along the curved sewer wall to get past the creature, but wrecks once they are safely past. He is trying to start the bike.)
Meg: Forget about it, Brian. Let's go. Forget about it!
(They begin to walk through the tunnel and suddenly a Biologist wearing a hazard suit bumps into Brian. Brian pushes the bleeding man against the wall.)
Biologist: It got them. Bigelow and Wilson.
Brian: How do we get out of here?
Biologist: They were trying to scream. -- Inside it. Trying to scream....
Brian (pushing the biologist harder against the sewer wall): Listen to me! How do we get out of here?
Meg: Brian, he's hurt!
(Brian backs off. There is spluttering and movement of the water in the tunnel.)
Biologist: I think...we'd better go now.

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Brian (shouts): It's a lie! All of it!

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(During a Mexican standoff with a dozen weapons raised and aimed.)
Brian: How do you think they got here so quick? How did they know when to come?
Dr. Meddows (who has ordered Brian to be shot): Shoot! Damn it, shoot!
Brian: I'll tell you how! That meteor is manmade! Some kind of a germ warfare test they fucked up!

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Boys in the crowd (after a satchel charge has detonated making a column of smoke and fire erupt from a manhole): Wow! Cool!

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(Meg fires an assault rifle at the beast to attract its attention from a truck that has Brian inside.)
Meg: Come on! You can do better than that! (more gunfire) Come on, you son of a bitch.

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Brian (coming to): What a rush!

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Post by YouTookMyName » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:18 pm

I've always wanted to put in little thumbnail images for each quoted line or set of dialog lines. But I new it would take a bit of extra time, and might not spiff up the look much at all.

Finally decided to take the time.

Added 1.5 hours to the amount of time it took to do this post.

Started working on it 9 hours ago, but I have also been doing laundery, eating meals, etc. :D
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Post by Gort » Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:57 pm

YouDoneGoneAndStoleMuhName is about to post another essay.

I think he's being lazy with his graphics this time. No drop shadows or anything. Just mouse-nibbles all around the outside.

I just thought I ought to point that out.
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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)

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Shapeless Enemies

It was a little frustrating to think that only two gelatinous globs have ever been featured as monsters in the world's cinema. You know, because I like them in movies. I guess amoebas are less frightening to people because they don't have eyes to watch you back. I knew of only two monsters that were shapeless and constantly growing, though. That was the extent of my knowledge. I knew of The Blob from the two movies in this Rematch. And I knew of one other.
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Caltiki: il mostro immortale (1959) was the first movie I ever saw that features an amorphous monster. It was on TV sometime between 1961 and 1967 (when we moved away from Little Rock to Memphis). I don't know how old I was when I saw it, but I remember being terrified by the gory (black & white) images on our TV set. The big bad is supposed to be a gigantic single-cell organism. To be honest, Caltiki looks more like a large mass of caca than gelatin but the idea was scary to me. It's radioactive (back in 1959 radioactive=scary) and dissolves away flesh. So there are shots of human skulls with the skin and muscle gone, but the eyeballs still peering out in fright! Instead of being susceptible to cold as the Blob is, this critter can be killed by flamethrowers. Back when I saw it flamethrowers=neato! This was shown on the local fright flick show Thriller, which aired from 3:30 to 5:00 p.m. each weekday on our CBS affiliate. And that was the only time I saw Caltiki until I found the DVD available (whimsical search while researching The Blob last winter) on 14 December 2013. It was posted on YouTube, so I downloaded a copy to watch.

For this Rematch I set out to educate myself.

TV Tropes shows a category for blob monsters. But aside from The Blob and Caltiki I can't think of any other blob monsters that headline. Maybe The Green Slime. But, no, when I look at pictures from the movie, the critters have some shape to them. Most of the lists I came across conflate slime monsters and the amorphous, so that they contain Blob, Caltiki, and slimy things (Slither is often in those lists, for example). Those lists weren't working for me.
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But then I found a post from May 10, 2013. "I was a Teenage Blob" at the monstermoviemusic blogspot, and it has a longer list. The Blob is the 7th movie listed, with 6 alleged predecessors between 1955 and 1958. There are two movies in the list that I haven't seen (and one I never heard of) that feature non-gelatinous, but mostly blobby critters. Still, the only ones in the list without fixed boundaries are the creatures in X The Unknown (1956), The H-Man (1958) and The Blob. The others have some kind of shape-providing outer membrane. Then again, the blobby creature in Space Children never moves, so the budget may have restricted the idea of what it would look like if it did move. Instead, it sits still and an inner light fluctuates with its mentally telepathic speech. I haven't seen X the Unknown (left, above). Among those I've seen (the rest of the list), Caltiki is the most formless of the bunch outside of those other two mentioned (meaning the Blob and H-Man). Great list, though. Use the link provide below to go read the article.
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I recently watched both the Japanese and English versions of The H-Man, an Ishiro Honda film from 1958. I learned of it from that Teenage Blob list. It was actually released in Japan several months before The Blob was released in the US. That means two people got similar ideas and worked on them at the same time on opposite sides of the globe. The monster in The H-Man doesn't attain great size. It doesn't grow in mass with each person it eats. It is gelatinous when it moves from place to place, but it can attain a glowing humanoid form. And there is more than one of the creatures. The body count in the film is pretty high. And, as such films go, for a B-budget film it's pretty well-made. The cast includes faces from Gojira, and Eiji Tsubaraya does the special effects in this one, too.

Like The Blob, The H-Man is in color. Caltiki is black and white.

What is interesting about this is that all three films were made within a year of one another. As far as I can determine there was never another outpouring of amorphous predators from the world's cinema capitals. The Mexican film that is listed in Teenage Blob came out solo, and so did The 1988 remake of The Blob.


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Post by YouTookMyName » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:03 pm

Gort wrote:YouDoneGoneAndStoleMuhName is about to post another essay.

I think he's being lazy with his graphics this time. No drop shadows or anything. Just mouse-nibbles all around the outside.

I just thought I ought to point that out.
I'm no lazier than you are.
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Post by YouTookMyName » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:06 pm

Am I going too fast for anyone? :D
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Post by Quite-Gone Genie » Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:09 pm

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Post by YouTookMyName » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:34 am

A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)

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Ironic Lines in the Remake

Frank Darabont uses the dramatico-literary technique of irony in ways that combine with foreshadowing in his screenplay for the 1988 film. I find no such devices in the original movie. I didn't notice these lines until I was combing through the subtitle files to get the sections to use in the Quotes technical post.

As if it matters in such a thread, to preserve some of the surprises that the film still holds I'll put the discussions behind spoiler tags.
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There are ironic lines put into the mouths of characters in the exposition section at the front. Both football players talking about Meg Penny have notable lines during the football game.
Paul Taylor: Hey, I'm going to ask her out.
Scott Jeskey: Bullshit! When, when, when?
Paul: When the time is right.
Scott: Yeah, right.
Paul: Timing's everything.
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Timing is everything, and Paul Taylor doesn't have it. Neither does Jeskey, apparently, because neither boy's date will go well on the night of that day. Paul will become the second victim of the blob, and Scott will be the fourth, right after his date becomes victim three. And that's just of the victims whose dissolutions we are shown.
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Sheriff Herb Geller attempts the timing thing with Fran who owns a local cafe, but he's almost too late because the post-football crowd shows up while he's trying to make his move.
Herb Geller: You like country music?
Fran: Herb, are you asking me out?
Herb Geller: Yeah, well, I guess I am.
Fran: I don't know. I'm kind of stuck here. You know, I've got to earn a living.
Herb Geller: Yeah, it must be tough trying to get away.
Fran: Shoot!
(shouts to her cook)
George, here they come.
Herb Geller: Is that my check? (pulls out a business card) If you do get any free time to yourself...that's my number there down at the station.
Fran: Okay.
(When Herb looks as his ticket he sees that she has written "I'm off at 11:00" at the bottom.)
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Herb will be making his way toward the cafe a little before 11:00 pm to meet Fran. But on his way to the cafe, he will meet the blob creature. Fran will have tangled with it when George tries to clean a clog out of the kitchen sink, only to find that the clog is the glob of predatory goo. While fleeing, Fran will be in a phone booth, using the business card Herb gave her, trying to warn Sheriff Geller of the danger she has just learned about. She won't see Geller, but will see his face and badge sliding by in the monster's gelatinous form as it envelopes the phone booth she is calling from. Herb's attempt to make a love connection leads to both their deaths. And Fran never gets off at 11:00 pm, because she's absorbed by the space goo before then.
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Later, Meg and Paul are driving innocently along a country road after her father has hit the ceiling, thinking that Paul is the person for whom some ribbed condoms have been bought (by Scott Jeskey) from Meg's father, a pharmacist who owns a drugstore in town.(Brian has just met up with the Can Man and is chasing him through the woods. Paul and Meg are in Paul's car on a country road.)
Meg: I'm really sorry about my dad. I've never seen him like that before.
Paul: That's okay. It was just a misunderstanding. I've made better first impressions, though. That's for sure.
Meg: No harm done, I guess.
Paul: No, wrong. Scott Jeskey is gonna die.
(The Can Man runs across the road, and Paul's car hits him.)
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"Scott Jeskey is going to die," is very true. But not in the figurative way Taylor means here. In a short while both he and Paul Taylor will be dead, absorbed by the blob.
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Meg and Brian have been captured by the Feds, and are being driven back into town in the rear of a van, but Brian has gotten the rear door open.
Brian: I'm going. If you're smart, you'll come with me.
Meg: Then go. Take care of yourself. That's the only thing you're really good at.
Brian: No one else ever volunteered for the job.
(He jumps out of the truck and rolls on the grass.)
This is more subtle irony. After turning to Brian for help, and after being protected by him already, Meg still doesn't trust him. When she says "Take care of yourself. That's the only thing you're good at," she thinks it's true, but he's already trying to take care of the entire town. His final line of that exchange is not meant to be sarcastic or ironic. It's just a fact of his life that he's learned to deal with.
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(Meg, Kevin and Eddie are in the sewers beneath the city trying to escape the creature.)
Kevin: Is it still after us?
Meg: I don't think so.
Eddie (crying): I'll be good, I swear. I'll never see a movie, ever again.
Meg: It's going to be okay. Let's just find a way out of here.
There is irony in this exchange as well.
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And foreshadowing. Kevin Penny, Meg's little brother, and his friend Eddie have sneaked out to see a teen slasher movie at midnight. Meg learns about this when she gets back into town and goes to the shelter set up by the marauding Feds. She takes off for the theater, where the blob has already begun to dine, and she saves the boys from becoming part of its goo. They get into the sewer, and are sloshing through the tunnels when Eddie suffers a bit of momentary traumatic stress over what just nearly happened. Eddie's frightened, plaintive promise to never see a movie again will come true only minutes later when the blob pulls him away from Meg's grip and devours him. The first time you see the film, if you haven't read about this, it's kind of a shock that one of the young boys becomes a blob meal!


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Post by YouTookMyName » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:31 pm

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A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)
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Bart Sloane did the creature effects for the original film. He had never done effects for a science fiction title, but he had experience with VFX for a number of the Valley Forge religious films. His only other effects credit is for 4D Man (1959). As with so many people involved with the 1958 production, there is virtually no information about him online.
Vin Kehoe was the only professional crew member hired for this film, in that he already had a lot of experience doing 35mm cinematic makeup. I learned this from one of the commentaries on the Criterion DVD. Even Kehoe had only three prior makeup department screen credits. He had apparently transitioned to being a full time photographer with publication in some pretty big-circulation magazines by the late 1950's according to his IMDb bio page. The only film Kehoe did makeup for after The Blob, was Charly (1968). This means that I have seen two films for which he did makeup out of his total of 5!
Ralph Carmichael is the credited composer for the 1958 film. The Blob was his 5th composition credit. He has a total of 25 credits between 1953 and 1985.
Burt Bacharach was the uncredited composer of the catchy title theme for the 1958 film. It was his 8th composition gig, of 343 credits as of the date of this post. So, it was fairly early in his career.


1988
Hoyt Yeatman gets the credit "visual effects supervisor" but if you look at the full cast and crew listing, you'll see that he had dozens of artists working with him to realize the various types of blob effects and other effects. He started as "project assistant" on Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977). He currently has amassed 51 visual effects credits through 2013, his latest being Jack the Giant Slayer. However that movie is overall, you have to admit that the visual effects are beyond merely competent. His list at IMDb shows that he has a broad working range across many genres of film, not just science fiction and fantasy titles. Yeatman won an Oscar for Best Visual Effects in The Abyss (1989). He was nominated along with three others for Best Special Effects BAFTA for The Fly (1986), which we've looked at in this thread. In 2000 he won a Technical Achievement Award from the Academy "For the identification and diagnosis leading to the elimination of the 'red fringe' artifact in traveling matte composite photography." according to the IMDb awards page. For a cinema tech freak like me that is his most impressive award!
Clyde E. Bryan is the sort of technical person I like to find when doing the tedious research for production crew posts. He has only one credit as "visual effects photographer", that being for The Blob (1988). But Bryan has 118 additional credits for camera and electrical department responsibilities.
There are a number of persons who held positions such as "blob sculptor," "blob fabricator," "blob technician" and the like in the full cast and crew listing. But I found only one "blob effects designer" on the blob effects crew, and that is Bill Corso who has special effects (12 titles) and makeup (60 titles) credits on many of the biggest horror, science fiction, and super hero films made between 1986 and 2014.
Michael Hoenig has 31 composer credits, many of which are video game music tracks, at IMDb. He also has 15 music department credits, many of which are music score producer. For Koyaanisqatsi Hoenig was the music score producer, as well as "composer: additional music", for when they ran out of Philip Glass music, I guess! He is also forever associated with Max Headroom, having composed the music for 5 episodes of the TV show that aired in 1987-1988. Hoenig also composed for the 1995 movie Above Suspicion (with Christopher Reeve as a paralyzed cop who decides to get rid of his wife. This is before Reeve was paralyzed in real life, but IMDb says that only six days after the film was released Reeve broke his neck in a fall).



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Post by YouTookMyName » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:41 pm

Tech information posts all done. Yay! Only five essays left to dust with graphics and slip into some waiting slot in the thread.

Then it will be on to Kingus Kongus.
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Post by YouTookMyName » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:51 am

A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)

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And it's in Color!

In 1958 a low budget 35mm color film was a rarity. There was still a premium in production and post-production costs for color, on both the raw stock price side, and on the processing side. Plus, with black and white the timing was merely for exposure compensation. With color stock you had color timing to pay for as well. Every additional post-production step adds film lab costs.

I got the idea for this essay from reflecting on how I really didn't notice that the film was in color, although I always notice when a 1950s film is in black and white. That's because black and white is no longer the norm! Audiences in 1958 would have noticed first thing that the film was made in color.
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I've known quite a number of people younger than I am who don't like black and white films at all. My brother is 57, and he still doesn't like black and white. It doesn't bother me, but I notice it. I don't notice that a film is in color.

Jack Harris got the idea that he could produce a low-budget film that would draw audiences, during a sales pitch by an independent producer of films for drive-in theaters (Harris was a film distributor) in the mid-50s. He was tired of Westerns and juvenile delinquent pictures. He didn't exactly set out to make The Blob, but in the process of trying to make a movie that would at least earn back its production budget, that's what he did. It's a lucky thing that he insisted on the budget for color. And he chose a director who had worked a lot in color, although in 16mm stock. In black and white the blob looks meh. Its blood red color is what creates a sense of dread. Without fangs or claws, or sharp teeth, this movie monster has to generate thrills from appearing to be a giant, rolling bloody ball. We see what it does to two people, and we are able to imagine the rest of its attacks.
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I recall reading in the 1960s that B-films across genres would usually make more money in those days if they were in color, whether it was Westerns, science-fiction, kaiju, or horror. Of course, producing in color was a gamble, as I pointed out above.

I'm glad Harris pulled together the money to shoot in color. So is he. It has made the 1958 film that he did; the one he made just to prove that he could make a movie as good as or better than the kind of thing his company was distributing. Made it in the sense that people still watch it nearly six decades later. Made it in the sense that modern kids who hate black and white movies can't use that as an excuse to give the film a miss. And, look, some nobody in the Hills of Arkansas is writing a few thousand words to compare it to its successor.
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Speaking of the successor, by the time Harris got around to co-producing a remake of the 1958 film, 30 years had passed. Nearly all films were made in color. Black and white had become an artistic choice, not a budgetary dictum. No one was impressed that the '88 Blob film was made in color. Nobody gave it any thought. It's just how films were done by then. So audiences of that day were probably impressed by the special effects, or the surround sound. And that's where they could put their budget by that time. And they did.




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Color motion picture film from Wikipedia. "The first color systems that appeared in motion pictures were additive color systems. Additive color was practical because no special color stock was necessary."
A Condensed History of Color from infoplease. "Photographers in the nineteenth century had been retouching their black-and-white portraits and landscapes to make them look more realistic. (Though the effect could actually be rather surreal.) So within a very short time after the invention of cinema, filmmakers started retouching their own film stock."
Timeline of Historical Film Colors a bibliography page.
How Color Changed the Movies from Indianapolis Museum of Art website. "Our guest blogger today is film historian Eric Grayson who writes about Technicolor, the theme for this year's Winter Nights film series."
Early Color Motion Pictures from Wide Screen Museum, one of my favorite movie tech sites. "The quest to produce motion pictures in realistic colors began the instant that that the first hand cranked cine camera turned. A variety of assorted methods achieved varying degrees of technical and commercial success prior to the introduction of three strip full color Technicolor® in 1934."
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Post by YouTookMyName » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:58 am

I guess ribz is so busy keeping Chicago in line that she hasn't had time to check in here.
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Post by YouTookMyName » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:08 am

A Comparison of The Blob (1958) and The Blob (1988)

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Teenagers Who are Not

It's a very common practice. They say it's because older folks don't notice, or can't tell the difference between a 20-something and a teenager. They say it's because real teenagers are still in school and producers have to hire tutors to come teach them on the set. They say it's because those who are under 18 are allowed to work only 4 hours a day.

Whatever the reasons production to production, there have always been older people playing teenagers in the movies. The most extreme example of this I know of is the 1936 George Cukor film of Romeo and Juliet where Romeo is played by Leslie Howard (43) and Juliet is played by Norma Shearer (34). We saw this film when I was a senior in high school. I checked right out at what seemed like octogenarians playing the roles. It was prejudiced and short-sighted of me, but that's what I did.
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As much as teenage me loved Star Trek in the 1960s, when the episode "Charlie X" aired all I could think is, "that guy isn't 17." He wasn't. Robert Walker Jr. was 26 when he played the human orphan on an alien world. I liked the episode, but I had an age problem similar to the gender problem I confessed to having with Mary Martin as Peter Pan. (To my surprise Robert Walker Jr. was the male lead in Beware! The Blob (1972), which I watched this past week.)

By the time I got around to watching The Blob I wasn't surprised that Steve McQueen is cast as a high school student. He is 27 as he appears in the film, and his co-star, Aneta Corsaut is 25. Neither of them looks like a teenager any more. The producer, Jack H. Harris reveals in the DVD commentary that McQueen was a little unsure that he could play a teenager, but Hollis told him, "Think young." The other actors who were supposed to be Steve's teenage friends don't look very much like teens, either.
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I think mostly the illusion is ruptured by the presence of heavier 5-o'clock shadows than teens would have, and more facial wrinkles. But the men's voices also break the illusion quite often. This isn't a problem with Corsaut or the other women playing high schoolers in the film. But a teenage man's voice is lighter in most cases than it will be five or ten years later. And that's a give-away. Many of the bit parts for high schoolers are clearly portrayed by real teenagers (the kids who raid the high school for CO2 extinguishers, for example), but not the main roles.
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The same situation arises in the remake. Kevin Dillon and Ricky Goldin were both 23 years old, Donovan Leitch Jr. was 21, and thus past their teen years when they played the high school boys in the 1988 revision of The Blob. Shawnee Smith, though, was 18 years old, so she is a teen playing a teen for once.

The disparity in actor versus character ages is more blatant in the original film. It doesn't obliterate enjoyment, but it's annoying to me. The annoyance is that I can't suspend disbelief as easily. For the 1988 film it's easier to pretend that the guys are actually only high-school age.

Now, this is not a wholly negative criticism. The films are about giant, flesh-absorbing globs of goo slithering about a town dissolving people, after all. If I can imagine that the monster is real, then I can pretend that we're watching teenagers, however difficult the casting might make it for me!



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10 Shakespearean Oscar contenders "George Cukor's version of "Romeo and Juliet" (1936) picked up two acting nominations and an art direction bid to go along with its Best Picture nomination. The young lovers were played by 43-year-old Leslie Howard, who was snubbed for Best Actor, and 34-year-old Norma Shearer, who became the first actress to be nominated for a Shakespearean role."
Charlie X (episode) - from memory-alpha-org. "The USS Enterprise makes a rendezvous with the Antares, a small cargo ship. While investigating the planet Thasus, the Antares discovered an adolescent boy named Charles Evans, the sole survivor of a ship crash who has lived on his own since age three."
Trek Caps page 10
Oldest Actors to Play Teenagers
Just How Old are the Actors Who Play High Schoolers? collegehumor.com. "At 26, I think I finally look like how I imagined I would at 18, when I was 13. A big part of that misconception comes from the glorified portrayal of High School life in movies and TV. We all know that actors playing teens aren't actual High School age, but exactly how much older are they? I set out to find just that."
11 Really Old Actors Who Played Teenagers on TV. "I was watching on Tuesday (because, yeah, I'm back on it) and noticed just how old Finn looked as he was being crowned prom king. Spoiler alert? I looked up the actor who plays him, Cory Monteith, and found there was a reason he looks old... he is. Like, almost my age. Monteith turns 30 today."
Dawson Casting @ tvtropes.org
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:54 am

Bye, bye, Blob! It was Fun!

While preparing to post the last four completed essays of The Blob Rematch last night, I eliminated essay #8, because who needs an essay entitled "Some Films in Which Kids Are Killed"? I posted what just now became essay #2, although it was essay #4 last night when I posted it.

Tonight as I was looking over the text for the remaining 2 essays, I decided that the Rematch also doesn't need "Scary Then. Scary Now?" or "Some Very Special Effects". As heartwarmingly original and incisive as these three essays are (right) they didn't seem to merit the time and effort necessary to illustrate them with graphics. Weeks ago I replaced another completed essay, "Does Acting Matter in an Indie Film?" simply because it doesn't seem to say much worth reading.

You will never miss any of those deleted essays. I delete essays all the time while preparing Rematches, but most of the time I don't say so. I did let you know that I dumped the final unpublished essay for 3:10 to Yuma once upon a time.

Canceling the essays means that The Rematch of The Blob films is now complete!

While not posting in December 2013 I was working away on three Rematches, and now I need to have time to get ready for Kong. So, It is, for the moment at least, still scheduled to begin March 22, 2014. Autograbs were pulled from all three of the King Kong films before 2013 rolled into history, but I don't have much written for essays at all. Haven't even begun the Find-It post.

Because I need to do other things, I'm going to finish the last four Rematches as quickly as I can get them done. As of now, I consider this thread completed when The Thing Multimatch concludes.

This doesn't mean there won't be future Rematches, only that I won't schedule two years' worth ahead of time. At least not publicly. :D

Still to come in Round Three:

15-- King Kong vs. King Kong vs. King Kong:
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16-- Death Race 2000 vs. Death Race:
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17-- The Champ vs. The Champ:
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18-- The Thing from Another World vs. The Thing vs. The Thing:
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Post by Gort » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:10 am

You're gettin post-partum blues over The Blob, already, aren't you?
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:10 am

Yep. :shifty:
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Post by Gort » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:11 am

'Magin what it'll be like when you post the completed sig for The Thing multimatch. :twisted:
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:11 am

Don't want to think about it.

I have other things to do. This takes up lots of time. :-/
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Post by Gort » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:13 am

Don't come whinin to me. You started it. :D
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:15 am

Could just cancel the rest of the scheduled Rematches. 8-)

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Post by Gort » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:15 am

Hank does. And he could send his four kids to beat you up.
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:16 am

Nah. He's too tired.
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Post by Gort » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:17 am

I'll bet he reads this. :)
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Post by YouTookMyName » Fri Feb 14, 2014 3:17 am

What!? And miss a much-needed nap?

You ever been in charge of four kids at once?


Wait.

Never mind.
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