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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:27 pm

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This is inspired by JediMoonShyne's World Championship of Film as well as MagicFister's 3X33 thread. I guess it's also my own mini version of the Directors' Cup on mubi. Mostly it's just a way for me to organize some of my ad hoc movie watching.

So here's the deal. I like exploring directors' filmographies in their entirety. But there're so many to choose from and it's hard prioritizing. So I'm hoping this thread serves as a way for me to start exploring a few filmmakers I'm not that familiar with. Who knows. Maybe I'll fall in love with a few (or many) and end up moving them up in my queue.

The first step then is to get a list of filmmakers going and this is where you come in. I am looking to find 16 directors that I'm mostly unfamiliar with. Once this list is ready, I'll randomly pair up these directors and watch one film from each director. The director of the film I enjoy more moves on to the next round.

So we start with 16 directors in round 1, 8 in round 2 and so on.
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Post by Wolfy » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:30 pm

Post them in here or PM?
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:35 pm

You said Masaki Kobayashi was a blind spot, so I'm throwing that one in the mix.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:37 pm

Badass.
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:47 pm

Wolfy wrote:Post them in here or PM?
Posting them here is fine.

Kurz, can you pls rec 4 films by Kobayashi and the order in which I should watch them? I'll onle get to all of them if he survives all four rounds but still.
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Post by Wolfy » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:53 pm

Vsevolod Pudovkin:
Storm Over Asia
The End of St. Petersburg
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Post by Mod Hip » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:54 pm

Wolfy wrote:Storm Over Asia
Mother
:fresh:

...haven't seen Deserter, though.

Mother would probably beat anything on the list I submitted (via PM).
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:56 pm

Well, it depens how you want to view The Human Condition trilogy, as one giant masterpiece or three smaller ones. I cannot not recommend this, so that would either one of four or three of four (in which case, I find it hard to imagine you'd stop after just one). In the former case, I'd recommend the trilogy, Seppuku/Harakiri, Kaidan/Kwaidan and Samurai Rebellion. In the latter case, it's The Human Condition I: No Greater Love, The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity, The Human Condition III: A Soldier's Prayer and Seppuku/Harakiri.
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Post by Trip » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:57 pm

I'll provide films after you eliminate directors from my list.

Albert Brooks, Charles Burnett, Douglas Sirk, Frank Borzage, Jacques Rivette, Jane Campion, Jerzy Skolimowski, Johnnie To, Josef von Sternberg, Kenji Mizoguchi, Louis Feuillade, Manoel de Oliveira, Ousmane Sembene, Roberto Rossellini, Terence Davies, Vincente Minnelli.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:57 pm

Nikos Nikolaidis:
Proini peripolos (1987)
Sweet Bunch (1983)
Euridice BA 2O37 (1975)
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It's always Jacques Demy with this girl.
The Young Girls of Rochefort
Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Donkey Skin
Lola


highly likely you've seen them all, though.
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Post by Mysterious F. » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:31 pm

You said that you don't explore classic Hollywood that much, so pick any one of these:

Vincente Minnelli:

Some Came Running
Meet Me in St. Louis
An American in Paris
The Band Wagon

Anthony Mann:

Man of the West
The Naked Spur
Winchester '73
Side Street

William Wyler:

Dodsworth
The Best Years of Our Lives
The Heiress
Wuthering Heights

Leo McCarey:

Make Way for Tomorrow
Duck Soup
Love Affair
The Awful Truth
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:32 pm

Let's give her interesting films from now on.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:43 pm

Him?
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Post by Wolfy » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:43 pm

I do love Wyler.
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Post by Mysterious F. » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:44 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote:Him?
Bear hates all things classic Hollywood that are not Alfred Hitchcock.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:46 pm

I certainly don't care for most Hitchcock.
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:56 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote:Well, it depens how you want to view The Human Condition trilogy, as one giant masterpiece or three smaller ones. I cannot not recommend this, so that would either one of four or three of four (in which case, I find it hard to imagine you'd stop after just one). In the former case, I'd recommend the trilogy, Seppuku/Harakiri, Kaidan/Kwaidan and Samurai Rebellion. In the latter case, it's The Human Condition I: No Greater Love, The Human Condition II: Road to Eternity, The Human Condition III: A Soldier's Prayer and Seppuku/Harakiri.
Ooh, tricky. I am happy to consider the trilogy as a whole but am also wondering if it's unfair to have a trilogy compete with a single film.
So how about I go with option 2 despite being certain that my completism won't let me stop at one regardless of the outcome of the first matchup?
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:00 pm

By keeping me/Kobayashi in the game. :P
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Post by dreiser » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:05 pm

Patrice Leconte:

The Girl on the Bridge (1999)
Ridicule (1996)
Intimate Strangers (2004)
The Hairdresser's Husband (1990)
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The Dark Past (Mate', 1948) 7/10
New Rose Hotel (Ferrara, 1998) 3/10
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:06 pm

Trip wrote:I'll provide films after you eliminate directors from my list.

Albert Brooks, Charles Burnett, Douglas Sirk, Frank Borzage, Jacques Rivette, Jane Campion, Jerzy Skolimowski, Johnnie To, Josef von Sternberg, Kenji Mizoguchi, Louis Feuillade, Manoel de Oliveira, Ousmane Sembene, Roberto Rossellini, Terence Davies, Vincente Minnelli.
Haven't watched anything by Brooks, Sternberg, Feuillade and Sembene.

This is what I've watched from the rest:
Only watched The Killer of Sheep by Burnett.
A few early shorts and Paris Belongs to Us, The Nun and The Duchess of Langeais by Rivette.
Campion: Watched The Piano, An Angel at My Table and Bright Star.
Skolimowsky : None except for Essential Killing
Mizoguchi: Only watched Oharu, Ugetsu and Sansho
Oliveira: Eccentricities and Aniki Bobo
Rossellini: Voyage to Italy
Davies: Of Time and the City
Minnelli: St. Louis, The Bad and the Beautiful and Some Came Running
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:07 pm

Epistemophobia wrote:Nikos Nikolaidis:
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Sweet Bunch (1983)
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The Loser Takes All (2002)
I watched Sweet Bunch very recently. Can you switch just that one out?
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Post by Mysterious F. » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Then I am making Mann my official recommendation/contender/whatever.
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:09 pm

Mysterious F. wrote:You said that you don't explore classic Hollywood that much, so pick any one of these:

Vincente Minnelli:

Some Came Running
Meet Me in St. Louis
An American in Paris
The Band Wagon

Anthony Mann:

Man of the West
The Naked Spur
Winchester '73
Side Street

William Wyler:

Dodsworth
The Best Years of Our Lives
The Heiress
Wuthering Heights

Leo McCarey:

Make Way for Tomorrow
Duck Soup
Love Affair
The Awful Truth
Of those, either Mann or McCarey. I've watched the Wyler films on your list.
I can keep both in till I end up with 16 if you like. If I get more than 16, you'll have to choose.

Edit: k, Mann it is.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:09 pm

charulata wrote: I watched Sweet Bunch very recently. Can you switch just that one out?
Sure, go with The Thrushes Are Still Singing (1979).
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Post by Wolfy » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:10 pm

I guess Pudovkin made it. woohoo
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Post by Blevo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:10 pm

How well versed are you in Oshima's work?
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:12 pm

Blevo wrote:How well versed are you in Oshima's work?
Not at all actually but am v. interested/curious. Only managed to catch Gohatto and Death by Hanging when there was a series playing here.
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Post by Blevo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:14 pm

Nagisa Oshima:

Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence
In the Realm of the Senses
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:15 pm

And for a backup spot.

Yoshishige Yoshida:
Rengoku eroica (1970)
Eros Plus Massacre (1969)
Confession, Theory, Actress (1971)
Joen (1967)
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:15 pm

getrhythm wrote:It's always Jacques Demy with this girl.
The Young Girls of Rochefort
Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Donkey Skin
Lola


highly likely you've seen them all, though.
Aww, I have seen 3 out of those (all but Donkey Skin) :( . I love Demy.
You seem so well-versed with musicals (whereas I am hardly at all). Someone else perhaps?
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:17 pm

Epistemophobia wrote:And for a backup spot.

Yoshishige Yoshida:
Rengoku eroica (1970)
Eros Plus Massacre (1969)
Confession, Theory, Actress (1971)
Joen (1967)
Oooohh... haven't seen two of those myself. Those I have seen were in the theatre though.
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Post by Blevo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:18 pm

charulata wrote:
Aww, I have seen 3 out of those (all but Donkey Skin) :( . I love Demy.
You seem so well-versed with musicals (whereas I am hardly at all). Someone else perhaps?
But she listed like all but one of the only good musicals that exist.
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Post by Immaculate » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:20 pm

In with Ruiz

Time Regained
Three Lives and Only One Death
City of Pirates
Three Crowns of the Sailor

Take that Brightside!
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Girlhood (Sciamma, 2015)
Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation (McQuarrie, 2015)
House of Tolerance (Bonello, 2011)
Tangerine (Baker, 2015)
Snake Eyes (De Palma, 1998)


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Post by Blevo » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:23 pm

Oh no he didn't!
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Post by Immaculate » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:33 pm

Blevo wrote:Oh no he didn't!
*snaps fingers sassily*
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House of Tolerance (Bonello, 2011)
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:33 pm

I've updated the list up top. Please say something if I've accidentally missed any of your recs.

Also, can one of you nice peeps help me make a banner please? My thread feels ugly next to all of your pretty ones and I got no skillz in that department :( .
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Post by Ekinflog » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:35 pm

Melville:

Army of Shadows
The Red Circle
Le Samourai
Le Doulos

Ozu:

There Was A Father
Tokyo Twilight
Late Autumn
Equinox Flower
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:38 pm

Seen 3 of the 4 Melville films. So Ozu it is.
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Post by Ekinflog » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:41 pm

charulata wrote:Seen 3 of the 4 Melville films. So Ozu it is.

:up:

Have you seen any of Ozu's films before?
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:44 pm

Ekinflog wrote:Have you seen any of Ozu's films before?
All of his early stuff that's available all the way upto I Flunked, But... + Tokyo Story and the two Floating Weeds.
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Post by Wolfy » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:45 pm

If you do sequels I'm rec'ing Rocha and Watkins.
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Post by Ekinflog » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:49 pm

charulata wrote:
All of his early stuff that's available all the way upto I Flunked, But... + Tokyo Story and the two Floating Weeds.
Cool, his silent stuff is something I haven't explored yet. If you enjoyed those films I think you will really like the ones I picked out.
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Post by Trip » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:51 pm

I can't tell if it's one director for each poster, but I'll throw out a few anyway.

Albert Brooks: Modern Romance, Lost in America, Defending Your Life, Mother.
Josef von Sternberg: Morocco, The Docks of New York, Dishonored, The Scarlet Empress.
Sembene: Black Girl, Xala, Ceddo, Guelwaar.
Skolimowski: Le départ, Walkower, Deep End (restored version coming very soon), Moonlighting.
Rossellini: The Flowers of St. Francis, Paisan, The Taking of Power by Louis XIV, Germany Year Zero.

If I can only have one...Rossellini.
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Post by charulata » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:00 pm

Wolfy wrote:If you do sequels I'm rec'ing Rocha and Watkins.
Done :). Let's see how this one goes.
Ekinflog wrote: Cool, his silent stuff is something I haven't explored yet. If you enjoyed those films I think you will really like the ones I picked out.
I've really liked or loved everything I've seen so far.
Trip wrote:I can't tell if it's one director for each poster, but I'll throw out a few anyway.
Albert Brooks: Modern Romance, Lost in America, Defending Your Life, Mother.
Josef von Sternberg: Morocco, The Docks of New York, Dishonored, The Scarlet Empress.
Sembene: Black Girl, Xala, Ceddo, Guelwaar.
Skolimowski: Le départ, Walkower, Deep End (restored version coming very soon), Moonlighting.
Rossellini: The Flowers of St. Francis, Paisan, The Taking of Power by Louis XIV, Germany Year Zero.

If I can only have one...Rossellini.
I didn't restrict it a priori since I wasn't sure how much participation I'd get. Looks like I can stick to one rec per poster though.
I have two listed there for Epi but I think he wants me to keep Nikolaidis over Yoshida if it's one rec.

I'll put down Rossellini for you and ask you to pick one more if I fall short.
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Post by Mysterious F. » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:20 pm

You should also watch Late Spring, charulata.
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charulata wrote:
Aww, I have seen 3 out of those (all but Donkey Skin) :( . I love Demy.
You seem so well-versed with musicals (whereas I am hardly at all). Someone else perhaps?
hehe, figured as much. :oops:

Well, hm, if you are looking for musicals & if co-directing counts, could go for Busby Berkeley:
Gold Diggers of 1933
42nd Street
Footlight Parade
Dames


Unfortunately, I have too many blind spots to even think there's a chance I can provide something interesting, but here's to hoping. :)
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:27 pm

Berkeley is not a director though.
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Post by ribbon » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:41 pm

Colonel Kurz wrote:Berkeley is not a director though.
Membs when I said 'if co-directing counts'? :P

It doesn't, surely. In which case, I probably have nothing even fairly decent to offer.
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Re: Charulata's Directors Throwdown

Post by BSB Soundsystem » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:54 pm

Samuel Fuller:
The Crimson Kimono
Pickup on South Street
Shock Corridor
White Dog
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