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Post by kiddo in space » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:50 pm

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An personal exploration of a genre that had been neglected for far too long by me. The noirs I've seen are very few, a lot of those were watched a long, long time ago, so long in fact that my memory fails to remember the events on them. I had to do something, so, this thread was born.

Everyone is, of course, welcome to participate. For reference, I'll be following this list: 250 Quintessential Noir Films. Not in order, but the films will be announced, for those interested in watching them or for those who like to know what's up ahead.

There will be a series of screenshots for each film, accompanied by a short (mostly badly written) opinion on it. Like that one thread by Bandy. Sort of.


The films

The Big Heat / In a Lonely Place / Shadow of a Doubt / Out of the Past / Touch of Evil / Scarlet Street / The Asphalt Jungle / Killer's Kiss / The Naked City / Berlin Express / The Crimson Kimono / Detour / Laura / Experiment in Terror / The Naked Kiss / Secret Beyond the Door / Brute Force


Bonus entries

Collateral / Cloak and Dagger
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It's the right time given PTP's freeleech :P
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:55 pm

Trip wrote:It's the right time given PTP's freeleech :P
Yes, good timing!
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I thought the drug cartels had gotten to you.
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Trip wrote:It's the right time given PTP's freeleech :P
But I have no invite :(
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B-Side wrote:I thought the drug cartels had gotten to you.
Oh no, I was just enjoying the free health care provided by the government.
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kiddo in space wrote:Oh no, I was just enjoying the free health care provided by the government.
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kiddo in space wrote:Oh no, I was just enjoying the free health care provided by the government.
Please share :(
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Post by kiddo in space » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:13 am

The Big Heat / Fritz Lang / 1953

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The Big Heat is a film built on intensity. A protagonist full of anger and revenge, the bad guys
using any means of violence to achieve their goals. Then it takes the "femme fatale" concept
and turns it upside down. I really enjoyed this great film.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:16 am

One of Lang's best.
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Post by charulata » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:21 am

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Post by kiddo in space » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:24 am

charulata wrote:Grahame <3
Love her. Even if she slept with Nicholas Ray's son while still married to the director.
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Post by wigwam » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:26 am

great thread! i will be following closely - thnks for the link, more numbers to crunch and titles to watchlist!!!
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:34 am

Epistemophobia wrote:One of Lang's best.
My favorite.
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Post by dreiser » Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:12 am

kiddo in space wrote:
The Big Heat / Fritz Lang / 1953
You hit me right out of the gate with my favorite noir. I'll be watching with much interest as this thread progresses.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:10 am

Ooh, a beautiful new thread! I'll be reading (and hopefully watching). I've never seen that Lang.
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Post by Derninan » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:35 am

Awesome, kiddo, I'll be reading.

I've also never seen that Lang.

And you should use Jedi's thread as an equally valuable source!
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Post by Fist » Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:50 am

Hey, I never knew The Big Heat was a Lang film for some reason. I guess I'll watch it now.
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In a Lonely Place / Nicholas Ray / 1950

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This film is driven by powerful emotions. The cynic and impulsive Dixon Steele falls in love with the
beautiful and mysterious Laurel Gray, starting a relationship that drives the film right to the end, a
relationship doomed from the beginning (Steele tries to straighten a crooked knife to eat a grapefruit,
Laurel seeing this simply responds "It's supposed to be curved"). It's heartbreaking, it's tragic. It's a
commentary on the state of Hollywood: Dixon tries to free himself from the restraints brought up by
the big, oppressive producers while trying to retain his creative freedom. In a Lonely Place is dramatic,
suspenseful, clever. The more I think about it, the more I like it.
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Post by wigwam » Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:45 pm

one of the greats! i hope Big Knife is also on their list!
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:24 pm

wigwam wrote:one of the greats! i hope Big Knife is also on their list!
But you want to keep the suspense instead of clicking on the link in Kiddo's post?
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Post by wigwam » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:26 pm

and clicking and clicking and clicking til i find it amongst their annoying pic/poster anit-text lists, yes
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Post by ribbon » Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:28 pm

Trip wrote:It's the right time given PTP's freeleech :P
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but yes, thread, yay
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Colonel Kurz wrote: But you want to keep the suspense instead of clicking on the link in Kiddo's post?
This thread is built upon suspense!
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Post by kiddo in space » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:57 am

Derninan wrote:Awesome, kiddo, I'll be reading.

I've also never seen that Lang.

And you should use Jedi's thread as an equally valuable source!
Oh, I didn't know about that thread. Will check it out. Thanks.
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Post by Wolfy » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:57 am

Happy Joy Joy this thread.
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Post by shakker » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:01 am

kiddo in space wrote: This thread is built upon suspense!
Excellent thread, kiddo!

I'm looking forward to the suspense, I just love film noir. :)
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Post by dreiser » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:03 am

Will this thread start with a Gloria Grahame hat trick?
"I hate the dark, the sharks liars. And the stems of cherry..."

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The suspense is everywhere shakker, because you don't know what's coming next.
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Post by Trip » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:05 am

shoulda called the thread Noir's Ark
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Post by kiddo in space » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:25 pm

Shadow of a Doubt / Alfred Hitchcock / 1943
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This is such a sinister film. The suspense is built upon a very simple premise: is the uncle
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does a wonderful work, and Cotten is perfect as the uncle. It's a masterful work.
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Post by charulata » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:27 pm

Cotten is so great.
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Post by kiddo in space » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:31 pm

He is. I've discovered some great actors watching noirs.
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Post by The Last Baron » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:44 pm

I hope it's in my Hitchcock set, that looks good.
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Post by kiddo in space » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:33 pm

It is good. Very.

I should watch more Hitchcock.
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Post by Hank » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:40 pm

Good stuff, kiddo. I haven't seen In a Lonely Place, but should. The other two I enjoyed greatly.
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Post by charulata » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:43 pm

In a Lonely Place is my favorite Bogie, my fav. Ray and one of my fav. films ever.
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Post by kiddo in space » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:32 am

charulata wrote:In a Lonely Place is my favorite Bogie, my fav. Ray and one of my fav. films ever.
In a Lovely Place is charulata's favorite everything! :P

Jokes aside, it's the first film I see by him. Such a great introduction to his work.
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Post by snapper » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:43 am

In a Lonely Place might be my favourite Ray behind Bigger Than Life. I love it. The acting is tremendous by Bogie of course, Grahame and by Jeff Donnell in a small role. I just wish the end didn't feel as pat as it does.

I didn't get into The Big Heat when I saw it (on VHS two years ago) so I may give it another try at some point.

Shadow of a Doubt is one of my favourite Hitchcocks, although the ending is abrupt like a lot of his others. It's like the proto-Blue Velvet and almost as good.
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charulata wrote:In a Lonely Place is my favorite Bogie, my fav. Ray and one of my fav. films ever.
All of this.
"I hate the dark, the sharks liars. And the stems of cherry..."

Like Someone in Love (Kiarostami, 2012) 4/10
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Post by kiddo in space » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:47 am

snapper wrote:I didn't get into The Big Heat when I saw it (on VHS two years ago) so I may give it another try at some point.
Was there anything specific that prevented you from getting into the film?
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Post by snapper » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:05 am

I mean, I watched it, but I found it kind of boring. Can't remember the exact reasons though. Pan and scan probably hurt the dynamism of the image.
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Post by dreiser » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:13 am

snapper wrote:I mean, I watched it, but I found it kind of boring.
...
The first frame of the film has a police detective blowing his brains out?!
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Post by kiddo in space » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:17 am

dreiser wrote:
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The first frame of the film has a police detective blowing his brains out?!
It sounds more violent when you say it like that.
Also, let's not forget the famous coffee scene
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Post by dreiser » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:22 am

kiddo in space wrote:
It sounds more violent when you say it like that.
Also, let's not forget the famous coffee scene
Yeah, I was trying to find out how snaps found a picture boring when it has that opening scene.
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Like Someone in Love (Kiarostami, 2012) 4/10
Killing Them Softly (Dominik, 2012) 2/10
The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm (Pal/Levin, 1962) 6/10
The Dark Past (Mate', 1948) 7/10
New Rose Hotel (Ferrara, 1998) 3/10
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Post by snapper » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:25 am

Tbh I don't remember it very well, and I don't remember that scene.
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