Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

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Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:12 am

Freeze, Die, Come to Life!
(Vitali Kanevsky, 1989)


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"Regarded as one of the finest films produced during the glasnost era, ‘Don’t Move, Die and Rise Again’ is a powerful
and part autobiographical but relentlessly grim account of post-war life in a remote mining community, as observed
through the eyes of two young children, Valerka and Galia. Films such as ‘Ivan’s Childhood’ and ‘Come and See’
demonstrated the horrors of war with children as their central protagonists, but Kanevsky uses this device to
show domestic horrors in the aftermath of war. From the opening shot, we’re made perfectly aware of the
hardship that’s about to unfold; a number of men emerging from a coal mine, whilst children play
excitedly, oblivious to their own desperate circumstances."


- Thirtyframesasecond

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Here is a Dropbox link where you can download the film. You can also get it from KG, PTP and a number of other
trackers. It's not available on Netflix, MUBI or anywhere else I'd typically check, but if anyone finds a legal
way to stream it, I'll add a link to that.

Watch the film (or else!) and post your thoughts on or around Saturday, March 2nd.
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Post by Das » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:14 am

Yes.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:15 am

I'm going to watch it, Bandy!

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Post by JediMoonShyne » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:17 am

Grabbin'.
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Post by Trip » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:25 am

Good presentation dude.
I would watch this.
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Post by B-Side » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:27 am

Picked the wrong film. I'm protesting this "class trip".
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Post by snapper » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:37 am

i'm in
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Post by elixir » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:02 pm

This was the first movie I ever downloaded. Ah, memories!
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Post by charulata » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:26 pm

I'm in.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:44 pm

Glad people are interested. Should be an interesting discussion.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:37 pm

Dropbox link added to the main post. You can get the subtitles here if they don't show up at that link.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:54 pm

Woo! Thank you. I'm in!
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Post by LEAVES » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:22 am

Seen it. Enjoyed the moving film strip. I haven't seen The 400 Blows, sorry.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:19 pm

That post is like a mystery inside of an enigma inside of a bee hive
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Post by elixir » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:38 pm

Not really.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:38 pm

Bees?
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Colonel Kurz wrote:Bees?
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Post by snapper » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:12 am

Watching this now. Exciting!
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:46 am

Planning on watching later today.
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Post by Trip » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:51 am

I might throw this on tonight, if I have it somewhere.
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Post by snapper » Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:43 am

Good choice, Bandy.

More tomorrow.
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Post by snapper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:18 am

This was great. Brutal and textured but compulsive viewing, like picking at a scab. I don't think I've seen or even heard of any other Soviet movies that take place this far east, and I enjoyed the specificities that brought to the table (as well as the Japanese music, which was gorgeous and incredibly moving in not too obvious of ways). I guess the key here is the everydayness of violence under the postwar socialist regime - I think every character interaction up until the meeting with the Japanese soldiers involves some kind of violence (even between friends, or parents and children). The tenor is almost hysterical because of this, especially in some scenes which just layer outburst over outburst until everything collapses inwards, like Valerka and his mother visiting the school to discuss disciplinary action over the sewer prank.

The kid's a great actor and the photography is outstanding, especially in its intuitive use of natural and unfixed light sources. I think it dips into miserablism in certain points (the crazy pancake guy comes to mind) and I wish some of the more outwardly political moments had been made more subtle because for the most part it functions as a document rather than a manifesto. I don't really understand the ending completely either, although I found the involvement of camera and director in the actual drama pretty fascinating. It's probably relevant in some huge way but I can't really process it right now.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:52 am

Good start! Going to go watch it now.
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Post by snapper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:03 am

LATE TO YOUR OWN PARTY
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* The Sun in a Net / Uher
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:36 am

I'm honestly not quite sure how I felt about this one, though I know I didn't dislike it. It's very well photographed, for sure, but some of the photography is also held back a bit by the inconsistent editing. I liked the choice of music, generally, but the sound design as a whole is hit or miss -- for instance, there were moments where the ADR was really rough, and mouths were moving for a good 2-3 seconds after the dialogue stopped.

The acting from the two child leads was solid. I guess I can say the overall weirdness and unpredictability of it all kept me intrigued throughout, but it wasn't until the scene snapper mentioned, where Valerka and his mother visit the school to discuss discipline, that I fully accepted the film's internal logic. The ending was the best part, I think, because it made me wonder about the theme of the rest of the film -- my assumption now is that the cameraman serves as the typical citizen, watching and accepting the violence of his culture, and only recognizing its seriousness (whether it's panning away on the train tracks, or observing two scared children rather than tracking the crazed, grieving, naked woman) when it affects someone he knows.

I don't know, though. Maybe we're not meant to grasp at meaning, as far as that's concerned. It could just be a touch that Kanevsky added to make people question prior events.
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Post by snapper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:21 am

I think keeping the camera on the kids (which the "director" tells the cameraman not to do) is just sort of a "see how this violence and madness will become a generational hand-me-down". We don't need to focus our attention on damaged goods but the goods that have yet to spoil. But then seeing crazylady take direction added another element and maybe became a commentary on the film's own somewhat miserablist outlook?

I like the film quite a bit, it is definitely a singular sensory experience.
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Post by snapper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:23 am

I hope Das Jedi Trip Charu Maiden are watching this.

I think only Trip, Maiden and Jedi are yet to do a class trip. These have been great.
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Post by snapper » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:11 pm

Hurry up everyone, or I get the next pick by default!
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The Tales of Beatrix Potter / Mills
* A Flood in Ba'ath Country / Amiralay
Times and Winds / Erdem
Most Beautiful Island / Asensio
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:46 pm

Don't let snapper win!
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:36 pm

I think I have about 20 minutes more to watch (real life intervened), so I'll weigh in this evening.
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Post by Trip » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:45 am

Don't move on without me because I will watch it.
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Gee, this was pretty (if you ignore all the screaming and squalor and mindless cruelty)! It made me think of My Friend Ivan Lapshin, but this one's much more harsh (brutal, to use snapper's word). The people in both films sing all the time, but here it feels like they're expressing defiance and anger, rather than Lapshin's hope and resiliency. Those child actors! Dinara Drukarova is completely adorable here (as always), and the boy is terrific, too. I especially like the way the camera caught the shadows of emotions passing over his face as he watched adult interactions. My favorite scene was his train escape to the city, with that amazing music and his terror of the owl. I'm not sure what to think about the cameraman and director at the end. It's not the only time they intruded, though, for what it's worth. They were also laughing loudly with the kids after the ice skates episode, which I found really disorienting!
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:26 am

Forgot to say, great pick, Bandy!
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:38 am

Shieldmaiden wrote:They were also laughing loudly with the kids after the ice skates episode, which I found really disorienting!
Yeah, I noticed that too. It has a really strange effect, suggesting that they're almost sanctioning the violence they're filming, but also that they have an emotional attachment to the two leads.
Shieldmaiden wrote:Forgot to say, great pick, Bandy!
I wish I could say I absolutely loved it, but it was an interesting watch and I'm glad that other people have enjoyed it.
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Post by charulata » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:09 pm

Am definitely going to watch this as well. I've had visitors all week+weekend but am definitely planning on getting to it this week.
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Post by Trip » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:46 pm

I have to say I don't care much for the fourth-wall breaking ending, it doesn't seem thematically instrumental as in Taste of Cherry for instance. I do however like the laughing of the earlier scene, but only because it struck me as an involuntary moment of genuine gaiety between the crew and the kids. Naturally it beckons the question of its making the edit, but I have no answers, it's just a nice moment.

Can't speak much of its visual qualities because it's appropriately fairly ordinary in general, not exactly making beauty out of grit either, with a couple of more powerful shots like the immolated guy (?), or more accurately the fire light reflected on the kid's awed face prior to the reveal, and the extreme close-up in snapper's "miserablist" sequence searching the depths of the insane man's black eyes.

I really liked this film, btw. I didn't find it miserable, and so I echo maiden's Aleksey German reference: the filmmaker's childhood experiences, a lack of story establishment over a scrappy collection of quotidian bits of business, most of it nasty on both casual and bombastic planes, a thread of a real plot that's hardly important, and a good deal of churning scenery (though German is brilliant and constantly dazzling at this, his comrades bounce off each other in well-orchestrated long-takes of lewd interaction).

Not much to say really. I don't ever wish to see kittens drowned so fuck that scene. Who attacked the kids at the end? Is that the point -some source, any source, will violently destroy them? Seems weird to knock off your central characters and make even littler kids some symbol of the future. I'm not sure I like the more conceited gestures in this movie on incongruity grounds, but I'm still not sure what "outwardly political moments" snapper refers to, apart from the ending.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:41 pm

Trip wrote:Who attacked the kids at the end? Is that the point -some source, any source, will violently destroy them?
It was the gang of thieves. We saw them on the train that went by just before that, but the kids were playing and didn't notice. Presumably they jumped off the train just out of sight and doubled back.
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Post by snapper » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:28 pm

Trip wrote: Not much to say really. I don't ever wish to see kittens drowned so fuck that scene. Who attacked the kids at the end? Is that the point -some source, any source, will violently destroy them? Seems weird to knock off your central characters and make even littler kids some symbol of the future. I'm not sure I like the more conceited gestures in this movie on incongruity grounds, but I'm still not sure what "outwardly political moments" snapper refers to, apart from the ending.
I was thinking of things like the tilt up to the poster of Stalin after the brawl at the dancehall where only the amputees are left on the floor.
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The Tales of Beatrix Potter / Mills
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Most Beautiful Island / Asensio
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Post by snapper » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:28 pm

Coin flip for Trip and Maiden?
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The Tales of Beatrix Potter / Mills
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Most Beautiful Island / Asensio
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:12 pm

Are those the only two eligible?
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Post by snapper » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:16 am

I think so, and if no one who hasn't already hosted a Class Trip takes part next time we'll just pick from that selection.
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The Tales of Beatrix Potter / Mills
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Most Beautiful Island / Asensio
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:33 am

Did 20 coin flips here.

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Trip wins.
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Post by Trip » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:16 am

What do I do?
Shieldmaiden wrote:It was the gang of thieves. We saw them on the train that went by just before that, but the kids were playing and didn't notice. Presumably they jumped off the train just out of sight and doubled back.
Oh, thanks. I wasn't paying great attention. In any other country I'd find it odd that such thieves would go to such lengths to ensure their not being caught, that is, killing obviously pretty innocent children. But then, the girl just showed up somehow, as always, which did them no favours.
snapper wrote:I was thinking of things like the tilt up to the poster of Stalin after the brawl at the dancehall where only the amputees are left on the floor.
Ah, of course. That wasn't too heavy-handed.
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Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:24 am

Trip wrote:What do I do?
Pick a film you want to see and that you think others might want to see, and make a Corrie Class Trip #5 thread this coming Saturday. That's about it.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Trip » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:25 am

That's simps huh. Also, of the other three Trips, which should I backtrack to watch/read the most?
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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Bandy Greensacks » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:27 am

A lot of people liked Nanami: The Inferno of First Love.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Trip » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:28 am

coolcool
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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by snapper » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:49 am

Nanami, definitely. I didn't like The Policewoman and Distant Journey was flawed but had its moments.

Pick a film you havent seen and that you think most othe rpeople here haven't seen, make a Class Trip thread about it next weekend detailing the film and collecting signups, and then see it by the following Saturday and start discussing it.
Latest notable first-time viewings:

* The Sun in a Net / Uher
** The Seashell and the Clergyman / Dulac
The Tales of Beatrix Potter / Mills
* A Flood in Ba'ath Country / Amiralay
Times and Winds / Erdem
Most Beautiful Island / Asensio
* Japanese Girls Never Die / Matsui
* Birth Certificate / Różewicz
Bush Mama / Gerima
** Paris Is Burning / Livingston


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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Trip » Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:35 am

Options:

The Longest Nite (1998)
The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974)
Felicia's Journey (1999)
The Wife (1995)
Models (1999)
Man of the Story (1996)
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Re: Corrie Class Trip #4: Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (Kanevsky)

Post by Trip » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:21 am

don't all chime in at once
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