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Post by Takoma1 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:06 am

Also, the low-budget Amazon curse strikes again.

The Night Before is about a woman and her teenage daughter who are taken hostage on Halloween night by a guy who wears a gas mask because . . . I don't know. Maybe by the time it was explained I'd stopped paying attention. There's a large monkey toy/thing. There's an ending that doesn't make much sense.

At one point a character is bound to a headboard by a rope that's tied to a metal cuff fastened with a padlock. The character gets hold of a pair of pliers and instead of untying the rope she tries to use the pliers to leverage the padlock off of the cuff. SIGH.

Now I'm on to a low budget comedy and yikes.
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Post by Rock » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:20 am

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I'm not sure that I agree that the ending is transphobic.

Yes, it comes in the wrapping of a transphobic moment: the realization that a woman is in fact biologically male. With the loaded way that our culture regards transwomen (and the despicable use of terms like "traps"), on the surface it could be seen as a hateful moment.

But I actually don't think that transphobia is what underpins that moment. Realizing that Angela is actually male (and I'm saying that because I don't believe from what we see of the character that Angela herself actually feels like she "belongs" as a woman. It is an identity that has been forced on her in the wake of a horrible trauma) is a moment that helps us to understand just how delicate Angela's mental state has been for probably the last ten years and why the camp setting pushed her over the edge.

There are a lot of little things that to me soften that final reveal in terms of it being transphobic. To begin with (and it's been a while since I've watched it, so feel free to disagree) I feel like the way that the final line is spoken ("Oh, my god. She's a boy.") sounds more like empathy than it does disgust. It's an "Oh my" moment, not a "Eww, gross!" moment.

Then there's the way that the gay relationship of the fathers is portrayed. They are shown as being loving, and we get that sweetly domestic scene of the two men cuddling and kissing while their children watch on and giggle. Coming from a loving home with gay parents isn't at all implicated in Angela's psychology, and it would have been VERY easy for a film at that time to imply untoward things happening in that context.

I actually think that the film does a great job of showing how Angela's identity crisis pushes her over the edge. The fascination with Judy, who rejects her. Confusion over the more socially acceptable (but in reality gay) relationship with a boy.

I guess that just playing the "she has a penis!!!!" card could read as transphobic. But I feel like it's a final act that manages to use that shocking reveal and still elicit a lot of sympathy for the killer.
It's a criticism I've seen brought up enough that I felt I had to address it, even if I ultimately kind of loved the movie. I don't think the movie is hateful towards trans people, but I do think it makes itself a target for such accusations with the penis reveal and the use of misgendering as a source of trauma. But like you, I find the movie far too compassionate to really hold those things against it. I think the ending works because it's deeply empathetic (and that sound *shivers*), not just because of the visual it ends on. I've also given a pass to movies that are way more objectionable and whose objectionable qualities don't come from the same place of empathy as this.
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Post by Takoma1 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:25 am

Rock wrote:
It's a criticism I've seen brought up enough that I felt I had to address it, even if I ultimately kind of loved the movie. I don't think the movie is hateful towards trans people, but I do think it makes itself a target for such accusations with the penis reveal and the use of misgendering as a source of trauma. But like you, I find the movie far too compassionate to really hold those things against it. I think the ending works because it's deeply empathetic (and that sound *shivers*), not just because of the visual it ends on. I've also given a pass to movies that are way more objectionable and whose objectionable qualities don't come from the same place of empathy as this.
Well, I would feel VERY different if
Angela was actually transgender. But I think it's pretty clear that she isn't. I mean, ironically the film is making an extreme version of the argument FOR respecting transgender people and their feelings, ie, Wouldn't it really mess you up to be forced into dressing/living/presenting as a gender that wasn't your true gender?

When you layer that with the trauma of losing parents and a sibling, I don't know, "regular" killers have murdered for less.
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Post by Wooley » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:49 am

Takoma1 wrote:
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I'm not sure that I agree that the ending is transphobic.

Yes, it comes in the wrapping of a transphobic moment: the realization that a woman is in fact biologically male. With the loaded way that our culture regards transwomen (and the despicable use of terms like "traps"), on the surface it could be seen as a hateful moment.

But I actually don't think that transphobia is what underpins that moment. Realizing that Angela is actually male (and I'm saying that because I don't believe from what we see of the character that Angela herself actually feels like she "belongs" as a woman. It is an identity that has been forced on her in the wake of a horrible trauma) is a moment that helps us to understand just how delicate Angela's mental state has been for probably the last ten years and why the camp setting pushed her over the edge.

There are a lot of little things that to me soften that final reveal in terms of it being transphobic. To begin with (and it's been a while since I've watched it, so feel free to disagree) I feel like the way that the final line is spoken ("Oh, my god. She's a boy.") sounds more like empathy than it does disgust. It's an "Oh my" moment, not a "Eww, gross!" moment.

Then there's the way that the gay relationship of the fathers is portrayed. They are shown as being loving, and we get that sweetly domestic scene of the two men cuddling and kissing while their children watch on and giggle. Coming from a loving home with gay parents isn't at all implicated in Angela's psychology, and it would have been VERY easy for a film at that time to imply untoward things happening in that context.

I actually think that the film does a great job of showing how Angela's identity crisis pushes her over the edge. The fascination with Judy, who rejects her. Confusion over the more socially acceptable (but in reality gay) relationship with a boy.

I guess that just playing the "she has a penis!!!!" card could read as transphobic. But I feel like it's a final act that manages to use that shocking reveal and still elicit a lot of sympathy for the killer.
That's pretty much exactly how I read it. As we know, I didn't love the movie, but I certainly felt that the shock was more related to sympathy than phobia. Honestly, the latter didn't cross my mind because of the way the moment and the whole film leading up to it is presented, and I'm struggling to superimpose that feeling on the actual content.
I think if you just straight up reverse the scene, imagine a transwoman is forced to live as a boy and finally snaps from it, it is a sympathetic moment even within the transgender community. The film is no different. Someone is forced to assume a gender-role that is not correct for them and it causes them incredible stress. If anything, as you've pointed out, the movie takes a broad and open-minded opinion on sexuality and gender-roles.
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Rock wrote:
It's a criticism I've seen brought up enough that I felt I had to address it, even if I ultimately kind of loved the movie. I don't think the movie is hateful towards trans people, but I do think it makes itself a target for such accusations with the penis reveal and the use of misgendering as a source of trauma. But like you, I find the movie far too compassionate to really hold those things against it. I think the ending works because it's deeply empathetic (and that sound *shivers*), not just because of the visual it ends on. I've also given a pass to movies that are way more objectionable and whose objectionable qualities don't come from the same place of empathy as this.
Isn't the notion that misgendering can be traumatic kind of a central point of the movement for equity for the transgender community?
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Post by Rock » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:58 am

Wooley wrote:
Isn't the notion that misgendering can be traumatic kind of a central point of the movement for equity for the transgender community?
Yes, but if the implication is that it will result in the traumatized person resorting to violence, I can understand why someone might object to that, even if I think the movie comes down on the right side of things.
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Post by Takoma1 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:14 pm

Just an FYI that Hellbent, a slightly low-budget horror centered on a gay group of friends, just got added to Amazon Prime. I think it's pretty good and I'd definitely recommend it. It's nice to see some queer representation in a horror film where gay characters are put at the forefront as protagonists and are shown as having a solid set of friendships and relationships.

They also added Experiment in Terror, which isn't a horror but is scary enough (and beautiful enough in its black and white stark shadows) to recommend to this crowd.
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Hereditary was pretty freaky and very intense. One of the year's best films.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:01 pm

I'm watching Pigs, and a man is literally romping through a field with is dog to a soundtrack of a jaunty mouth organ. How this film only has a 4.8 on the IMDb is beyond me!
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MadMan wrote:Hereditary was pretty freaky and very intense. One of the year's best films.
Er, well...

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Post by Takoma1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 2:06 am

Well, ultimately I actually quite enjoyed Pigs. I hadn't understood the way that the plot combined the two lead characters.

A man named Zambrini has a herd of pigs who have acquired a taste for human flesh. Zambrini routinely raids the local cemetery to meet the needs of his animals. Along comes Lynn, a woman clearly on the run. Lynn ends up working at Zambrini's cafe and staying in a room that he has to rent. Okay, the set up is very Eaten Alive and you'd think that we'd wait and watch for Zambrini to take a knife to his new tenant.

Nope.

Instead it turns out that Lynn is seriously disturbed, and she lashes out in ways that leave corpses behind. Zambrini, taking a liking to Lynn, feeds her victims to his pigs to cover up for her. But with locals growing more and more suspicious of Zambrini, and Lynn's past catching up to her, things are set to come to a head.

I think that what I appreciated the most about Pigs were the surprisingly developed dynamics of what tend to be pretty flat characters in horror films. Zambrini and Lynn both come across as pretty sympathetic in their own ways, and Zambrini in particular as he tries to help Lynn without there ever being creepy overtones to the way that he looks out for her. Yes, there are some local yahoos--boys in trucks behaving badly--but the local sheriff is pretty level-headed (if maybe a bit ineffectual) and also reasonably sympathetic.

I also liked the subplot of Zambrini's neighbors, two elderly women who are convinced that Zambrini is stealing the bodies of the dead and actually turning them into pigs.

A few months ago I went out into my backyard and one of my neighbor's large pigs had gotten out of the pen and unexpectedly, well, "charged" isn't quite the word. But having a large pig run toward you is kind of scary. So I know that pigs can be frightening. But in this film I thought the pigs were more adorable then menacing. In a way, though, that kind of fits with the idea that the "evils" committed by the characters in the film aren't really done out of malicious intent.

The kills do look super fake, especially one scene where a person is killed by having a fake knife gently laid along his back.

Generally, I really enjoyed this movie. Some of the staging and sequences might have been goofy, but I thought that the characters and their relationship dynamics turned it into something really engaging.
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Takoma1 wrote:Well, ultimately I actually quite enjoyed Pigs. I hadn't understood the way that the plot combined the two lead characters.

A man named Zambrini has a herd of pigs who have acquired a taste for human flesh. Zambrini routinely raids the local cemetery to meet the needs of his animals. Along comes Lynn, a woman clearly on the run. Lynn ends up working at Zambrini's cafe and staying in a room that he has to rent. Okay, the set up is very Eaten Alive and you'd think that we'd wait and watch for Zambrini to take a knife to his new tenant.

Nope.

Instead it turns out that Lynn is seriously disturbed, and she lashes out in ways that leave corpses behind. Zambrini, taking a liking to Lynn, feeds her victims to his pigs to cover up for her. But with locals growing more and more suspicious of Zambrini, and Lynn's past catching up to her, things are set to come to a head.

I think that what I appreciated the most about Pigs were the surprisingly developed dynamics of what tend to be pretty flat characters in horror films. Zambrini and Lynn both come across as pretty sympathetic in their own ways, and Zambrini in particular as he tries to help Lynn without there ever being creepy overtones to the way that he looks out for her. Yes, there are some local yahoos--boys in trucks behaving badly--but the local sheriff is pretty level-headed (if maybe a bit ineffectual) and also reasonably sympathetic.

I also liked the subplot of Zambrini's neighbors, two elderly women who are convinced that Zambrini is stealing the bodies of the dead and actually turning them into pigs.

A few months ago I went out into my backyard and one of my neighbor's large pigs had gotten out of the pen and unexpectedly, well, "charged" isn't quite the word. But having a large pig run toward you is kind of scary. So I know that pigs can be frightening. But in this film I thought the pigs were more adorable then menacing. In a way, though, that kind of fits with the idea that the "evils" committed by the characters in the film aren't really done out of malicious intent.

The kills do look super fake, especially one scene where a person is killed by having a fake knife gently laid along his back.

Generally, I really enjoyed this movie. Some of the staging and sequences might have been goofy, but I thought that the characters and their relationship dynamics turned it into something really engaging.
This has been on my 'maybe one day' list for about twenty years (along with Ray Milland's 'Frogs'). I will keep this approval in mind next time I'm considering it.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:57 am

crumbsroom wrote:
This has been on my 'maybe one day' list for about twenty years (along with Ray Milland's 'Frogs'). I will keep this approval in mind next time I'm considering it.
It's a pretty fast 80 minutes, and while it has that kind of vibe that I think of as "subdued", it never dragged. The film also resists overanalyzing its characters. We do, in the end, get an explanation for Lynn's behavior (which, frankly, I think is pretty easy to infer from her actions), but it's literally someone being like "So this happened in her past" and another person is like "Makes sense, anyway . . .".

Apparently this was the only feature film directed by Marc Lawrence (who plays the lead Zambrini), but he has over 200 acting credits, dating back to films like The Asphalt Jungle.

The more I think about it, the more I like the fact that so much of the runtime is taken up by the sheriff answering a phone and being like "Okay, hang on. Hey, Frank? Have you seen a guy in a yellow Mercedes? No? Alright. Sorry, sir, we haven't seen him." It's such an interesting mode for what is essentially the film's protagonist. He's not corrupt or lazy. But there just isn't actually much evidence of wrongdoing until the end of the film, so he's constantly saying common sense things like "Well, there isn't any evidence, so I can't just go over there and search his barn." He's a good dude (for example, he *MILD SPOILER*
saves Lynn from what's shaping up to be a sexual assault by a drunk local
) and not bad at his job, per se. There just isn't much for him to do. This isn't a complaint. The sort of casual "investigation" contrasted with the actual crimes was an interesting dynamic.

So, yeah. You all need to watch Pigs. Again: 80 minutes. Free on US Prime if you have it.
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Found footage film about a group investigating some cattle mutilations in the Alps in 1976. It's not a spoiler to announce that they encounter some unnamed werewolf things, because there they are in the poster.

I'm not against found-footage films on principle, but I am hip to their jive so they've gotta be exceptional for me to overlook their cliches. This one is not exceptional, and suffers from all the annoying habits that I've lost patience with. Characters repeatedly explaining why the camera is still on? Check. Final survivor filming a goodbye to loved ones? Check. One hour of walking followed by 30 minutes of running? Check. Shakey cam robbing the audience of a good view of the creatures? Check.

This was recommended to me by a usually-reliable source, so maybe somebody will like it but I'm advising against it.
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Post by Rock » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:04 am

The Devonsville Terror has a weird dissonance between its generally intelligent take on its premise (a witch movie where the real horror is the townspeople's backward-ass misogynistic ways) and the cheesy as hell special effects. (One amusing highlight: the dialogue refers to a character's "glistening skin", which the movie depicts with lightning effects on their hair! Nelson Muntz isn't the first person to confuse the two, apparently.) It's probably a little too light on incident
(until the finale, that pulls from Raiders of the Lost Ark of all things)
for me to give it more than a slight recommendation, but that approach actually allows you to appreciate the things the movie does well. The copy I watched looked barely better than a VHS tape, which actually added to the vibe.

I also gave The Boogeyman from the same director a rewatch. It has the same lead actress and is generally a better movie, although held back a bit with its slasher movie approach to supernatural material (unlike A Nightmare on Elm Street, the marriage of the two feels perfunctory rather than inspired). When I binged on video nasties a few years back, I found this one to be kind of a hidden gem if no lost classic, and my opinion remains roughly the same.
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Rock wrote:The Devonsville Terror has a weird dissonance between its generally intelligent take on its premise (a witch movie where the real horror is the townspeople's backward-ass misogynistic ways) and the cheesy as hell special effects. (One amusing highlight: the dialogue refers to a character's "glistening skin", which the movie depicts with lightning effects on their hair! Nelson Muntz isn't the first person to confuse the two, apparently.) It's probably a little too light on incident
(until the finale, that pulls from Raiders of the Lost Ark of all things)
for me to give it more than a slight recommendation, but that approach actually allows you to appreciate the things the movie does well. The copy I watched looked barely better than a VHS tape, which actually added to the vibe.

I also gave The Boogeyman from the same director a rewatch. It has the same lead actress and is generally a better movie, although held back a bit with its slasher movie approach to supernatural material (unlike A Nightmare on Elm Street, the marriage of the two feels perfunctory rather than inspired). When I binged on video nasties a few years back, I found this one to be kind of a hidden gem if no lost classic, and my opinion remains roughly the same.
Did you notice that both films were written by the lead actress (the director's wife)? I thought the depiction of the men in Devonsville Terror was unique enough to make it worth a recommendation.
Although I was a bit disappointed
to learn that the girl was actually a witch, because that only served to prove the men right all along. But I'm not one to complain about some sweet witchcraft effects either,
so it's fine.
Also, Donald Pleasence gave zero shits about his performance in that one. It appears that he spent all of 5 hours on set, tops. All of his screentime occurs in that same room. :P
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So I had a double feature of snow-bound horror films yesterday which included Cold Ground and Black Mountain Side and the latter was definitely the better of the two. A group of scientists in northernmost Canada find an ancient structure/monument of some kind and the situation at home base starts to deteriorate as some sort of virus appears to be spreading among the men. This one has some nice tension throughout and is very Lovecraft-y and may or may not include a talking deer.
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Captain Terror wrote: So I had a double feature of snow-bound horror films yesterday which included Cold Ground and Black Mountain Side and the latter was definitely the better of the two. A group of scientists in northernmost Canada find an ancient structure/monument of some kind and the situation at home base starts to deteriorate as some sort of virus appears to be spreading among the men. This one has some nice tension throughout and is very Lovecraft-y and may or may not include a talking deer.
Did you find the end killed the mood a little? It was so intriguing before that stuff in the forest happened.
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Charles wrote:
Did you find the end killed the mood a little? It was so intriguing before that stuff in the forest happened.
That stuff in the forest happens to be right up my personal alley so it didn't bother me but I will concede that it does change the tone a bit, so I'd understand if it was a dealbreaker for some. Also that final shot will probably annoy a few people, but the journey was interesting enough that I didn't mind it.
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Wooley wrote: That's pretty much exactly how I read it. As we know, I didn't love the movie, but I certainly felt that the shock was more related to sympathy than phobia. Honestly, the latter didn't cross my mind because of the way the moment and the whole film leading up to it is presented, and I'm struggling to superimpose that feeling on the actual content.
I think if you just straight up reverse the scene, imagine a transwoman is forced to live as a boy and finally snaps from it, it is a sympathetic moment even within the transgender community. The film is no different. Someone is forced to assume a gender-role that is not correct for them and it causes them incredible stress. If anything, as you've pointed out, the movie takes a broad and open-minded opinion on sexuality and gender-roles.
If we're being honest, the 80s were homophobic and no one even really knew that transgenderism was a thing.

Horror, like humor, involves finding that which is out of place (e.g., elegant kitty falls off the kitchen counter or innocent child falls off of a cliff).

We might say that a film like "Sleeping with the Enemy" is man-phobic or that Lord of the Rings is "Orc-phobic" - with regard to the latter, see below.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2018/11/ ... imination/

Film villains have tended to be English or German or Muslim, so there is question mark hanging there.

With regard to the film in question,
It is not like our character was born with a "trans-brain" as some people call it or a "subjective certainty of having been born in the wrong body." Rather, this was a cis-gender kid who was horrible abused by his mother. Our character is abused, made into something he is not, either by birth or by metrics of our modern sensibilities. He is not what he should be. He is not what he is expected to be. That's a big difference.
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One day I'll learn that a cool poster does not guarantee a quality film, but that day is not today.

So there's this old house where a crazy old lady used to live. Local legend claims that her spirit can be summoned by knocking twice on her front door, which seems way easy. You'd think conjuring the dead would take more effort. Anyway, turns out the legend is accurate which makes me wonder how many unsuspecting mailmen or meter-readers are walking around this town being haunted by the creepy old lady 24/7. So anyway, our heroine, who is aware of the legend, deliberately knocks on the door (natch) and is subsequently tormented by an admittedly creepy-looking wraith. After some research involving a table full of ancient woodcuts (natch) she somehow figures out this supernatural thing she's experiencing and to be honest I don't remember what comes of it.

This is from the director of The Machine, so I was hoping for a better film. Oh well.
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ACROSS THE RIVER is one of those "nothing happens" horror films that I'm so fond of. Guy is tracking wildlife in the woods and starts to see some weird goings-on through his trail camera footage and decides to investigate. Not much more to the plot than that, so potentially boring for some viewers, but it's got a nice sense of dread for the duration and it's got one of the creepiest moments I've seen in a film these past few years. After the movie ended I rewatched that one segment a good 5 times. On Amazon Prime.
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Post by Torgo » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:17 pm

I saw Creature from the Black Lagoon for the first time and I really enjoyed it. At 80 minutes, it's a very lean and efficient movie, but I felt as satiated as I would from a longer one. All of the scares got me, and while the expert editing and camerawork have a lot to do with it, they would have been for naught if the monster were badly designed, which it definitely is not. Even though the back of my mind told me it's a guy in a suit, the creature has such an alien look and presence that my nerves were on edge whenever he was on screen. Luckily, the movie is also efficient regarding when and how much to show the creature, which are decisions that likely influenced Spielberg when he made Jaws. The movie's not-so-subtle commentary about the contentious relationship between commerce and science undoubtedly influenced him as well. If you've already seen it, I recommend seeing it again in HD. It manages to look really good while retaining its '50s monster movie grit at the same time.
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Torgo wrote:I saw Creature from the Black Lagoon for the first time and I really enjoyed it. At 80 minutes, it's a very lean and efficient movie, but I felt as satiated as I would from a longer one. All of the scares got me, and while the expert editing and camerawork have a lot to do with it, they would have been for naught if the monster were badly designed, which it definitely is not. Even though the back of my mind told me it's a guy in a suit, the creature has such an alien look and presence that my nerves were on edge whenever he was on screen. Luckily, the movie is also efficient regarding when and how much to show the creature, which are decisions that likely influenced Spielberg when he made Jaws. The movie's not-so-subtle commentary about the contentious relationship between commerce and science undoubtedly influenced him as well. If you've already seen it, I recommend seeing it again in HD. It manages to look really good while retaining its '50s monster movie grit at the same time.
Yeah Creature is kind of the underrated Unviersal monster movie. It’s not as slow paced and most of it takes place on the boat where the creature could pop up at any second. I like it a lot.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:39 pm

Torgo wrote:I saw Creature from the Black Lagoon for the first time and I really enjoyed it. At 80 minutes, it's a very lean and efficient movie, but I felt as satiated as I would from a longer one. All of the scares got me, and while the expert editing and camerawork have a lot to do with it, they would have been for naught if the monster were badly designed, which it definitely is not. Even though the back of my mind told me it's a guy in a suit, the creature has such an alien look and presence that my nerves were on edge whenever he was on screen. Luckily, the movie is also efficient regarding when and how much to show the creature, which are decisions that likely influenced Spielberg when he made Jaws. The movie's not-so-subtle commentary about the contentious relationship between commerce and science undoubtedly influenced him as well. If you've already seen it, I recommend seeing it again in HD. It manages to look really good while retaining its '50s monster movie grit at the same time.
Agree with everything you've said here.
The proto-eco-horror movie, obviously. Really liked all the subtext going on, deeper movie than people give it credit for.
Of course the monster is aces, an absolute classic, although I like his underwater suit better than his land suit.
And I've read where Spielberg has said this movie influenced his work on Jaws a good bit, especially (obviously) the underwater scenes.
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Post by Death Proof » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:59 pm

Wooley wrote: Agree with everything you've said here.
The proto-eco-horror movie, obviously. Really liked all the subtext going on, deeper movie than people give it credit for.
Of course the monster is aces, an absolute classic, although I like his underwater suit better than his land suit.
And I've read where Spielberg has said this movie influenced his work on Jaws a good bit, especially (obviously) the underwater scenes.

I'll third Creature. Some really great costume design that rivals a lot of the crap we get these days. Sadly, Julia Adams just passed away a couple of weeks ago. She was a stunning damsel in distress.

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Post by Takoma1 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:49 pm

The Devil's Candy

Overall I liked this film and thought that it had pretty great atmosphere and good performances.

The film starts as a man plays electric guitar music loudly. When his elderly mother turns off the amp and threatens to send him "back", he pushes her down the stairs. Some time later, painter Jesse, his wife Astrid, and their daughter Zooey buy the house. Jesse is a struggling artist, and the house is priced right because of the two deaths that took place in the house.

Shortly after moving in, Jesse begins to hear ominous voices, and his paintings take on a dark turn. At the same time, the man from the beginning of the film, Ray, starts showing up around the house with an unsettling interest in Zooey.

This film was super short, and it really does get right to the point. Jesse begins to be tempted by the same voices that have clearly taken over Ray. As his paintings begin to turn into something that he can sell to an upscale dealer, Jesse must decide whether to focus on his own success or protect his family.

The performances are very good, especially Ethan Embry as the tormented father. Shiri Appleby is good as Astrid and Kiara Glasco does a nice job as Zooey, managing to make her more than just a series of screams.

The film builds atmosphere with its audio work and a heavy metal soundtrack that wisely stays away from "just loud".

There were only two real negatives and one minor eye-roll element that kept the film in "good" and not "great" territory. The eye-roll element, for me, was that I don't know. Maybe I blinked and missed it, but what was Astrid's job? I know that her work isn't as "important" as Jesse's, but what is the job she's doing that keeps her from picking up or dropping off her child? This isn't even necessarily a complaint about sexism (though the fact that she's just described as the "wife" in many summaries is . . . whatever), but the lack of detail about her makes her character feel less real and thus the whole story is slightly weakened.

Aside from that minor blip, maybe it was just the print I was watching on Netflix, but there were times when the image was dark. Like, REALLY dark. Like, "I can't see what's happening right now" dark. And not in a fun way. I sat there, trying to decide if it was worth adjusting the brightness on my TV, ultimately deciding no, and just being a little annoyed.

Finally, I hate it when films include an inexcusable element of stupid. I'll spoiler what I describe because it happens around the middle of the film, but I don't consider it a major spoiler. So about a third of the way into the movie, Ray
breaks into their house and tries to kidnap Zooey. Zooey is incredibly shaken up, but she insists that she wants to go to school because she'd feel safer there than at home. Okay, cool. HOWEVER!!!!!!! The parents apparently don't think that the near kidnapping of their child is worth mentioning to Zooey's school, despite the fact that Ray is still at large. If you were a parent, and your child had almost been kidnapped, don't you think you'd want to call your child's school and, I don't know, make sure that she was accounted for at all times? Give them a heads up and description of the man who tried to kidnap her? But based on what we've seen, neither they nor the police feel the need to warn the school. Can you guess what happens? I bet you can!
The film benefits from some good groundwork it lays in terms of the relationship between Jesse and Zoeey. On the whole I'd say it's definitely worth checking out, especially with it's ridiculously short runtime.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:15 pm

Takoma1 wrote:The Devil's Candy

Overall I liked this film and thought that it had pretty great atmosphere and good performances.

The film starts as a man plays electric guitar music loudly. When his elderly mother turns off the amp and threatens to send him "back", he pushes her down the stairs. Some time later, painter Jesse, his wife Astrid, and their daughter Zooey buy the house. Jesse is a struggling artist, and the house is priced right because of the two deaths that took place in the house.

Shortly after moving in, Jesse begins to hear ominous voices, and his paintings take on a dark turn. At the same time, the man from the beginning of the film, Ray, starts showing up around the house with an unsettling interest in Zooey.

This film was super short, and it really does get right to the point. Jesse begins to be tempted by the same voices that have clearly taken over Ray. As his paintings begin to turn into something that he can sell to an upscale dealer, Jesse must decide whether to focus on his own success or protect his family.

The performances are very good, especially Ethan Embry as the tormented father. Shiri Appleby is good as Astrid and Kiara Glasco does a nice job as Zooey, managing to make her more than just a series of screams.

The film builds atmosphere with its audio work and a heavy metal soundtrack that wisely stays away from "just loud".

There were only two real negatives and one minor eye-roll element that kept the film in "good" and not "great" territory. The eye-roll element, for me, was that I don't know. Maybe I blinked and missed it, but what was Astrid's job? I know that her work isn't as "important" as Jesse's, but what is the job she's doing that keeps her from picking up or dropping off her child? This isn't even necessarily a complaint about sexism (though the fact that she's just described as the "wife" in many summaries is . . . whatever), but the lack of detail about her makes her character feel less real and thus the whole story is slightly weakened.

Aside from that minor blip, maybe it was just the print I was watching on Netflix, but there were times when the image was dark. Like, REALLY dark. Like, "I can't see what's happening right now" dark. And not in a fun way. I sat there, trying to decide if it was worth adjusting the brightness on my TV, ultimately deciding no, and just being a little annoyed.

Finally, I hate it when films include an inexcusable element of stupid. I'll spoiler what I describe because it happens around the middle of the film, but I don't consider it a major spoiler. So about a third of the way into the movie, Ray
breaks into their house and tries to kidnap Zooey. Zooey is incredibly shaken up, but she insists that she wants to go to school because she'd feel safer there than at home. Okay, cool. HOWEVER!!!!!!! The parents apparently don't think that the near kidnapping of their child is worth mentioning to Zooey's school, despite the fact that Ray is still at large. If you were a parent, and your child had almost been kidnapped, don't you think you'd want to call your child's school and, I don't know, make sure that she was accounted for at all times? Give them a heads up and description of the man who tried to kidnap her? But based on what we've seen, neither they nor the police feel the need to warn the school. Can you guess what happens? I bet you can!
The film benefits from some good groundwork it lays in terms of the relationship between Jesse and Zoeey. On the whole I'd say it's definitely worth checking out, especially with it's ridiculously short runtime.
Most interesting, I have been considering this flick for a while but just couldn't decide. Definitely will spin it this year based on your review.

I actually don't use Netflix much if at all for movies anymore because of all the terrible prints I've gotten, in some case finding better prints on freakin' YouTube than Netflix has.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:16 pm

And this is for my Cap and my other old-fashioned Haunted House Ride friends around here:
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Post by Takoma1 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:39 pm

The Void

On a quiet night a deputy finds a bloody man on the side of the road. He transports the man to a local hospital that is closing and shortly after their arrival hideous transformations take over certain characters. Worse, the hospital is surrounded by mysterious figures in strange robes and hoods, so that escape is not possible. The deputy's wife is a nurse at the hospital, and the recent loss of their child is an emotional cloud that hangs over their attempts to survive the night.

First of all, yes, a big round of applause for the use of practical effects which, unlike Beyond the Gates, did give me genuine 80s horror vibes.

I do wish that the story and the character development had been a little better. At the very end of the film, the loss of the child comes into play with both the protagonists and the villains, and it's really moving and interesting. But I wish that they'd given the deputy and the nurse a few more interactions.

I know that a lot of people were disappointed with this one, but I thought it was good. Maybe a bit underwhelming given the premise. Still, I was never bored by it, I enjoyed the effects, and I thought that the last shot was memorable and nicely complicated/ambiguous.
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:07 pm

1/ Wooley, I enjoyed Devil's Candy and I predict that you will as well.

2/ Monster Ride looks awesome. Wish I could get a closeup on some of those graphics. Google, here I come.

3/ I watched The Unnameable and didn't hate it. This does not mean that it is "good", of course.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:16 pm

Captain Terror wrote:1/ Wooley, I enjoyed Devil's Candy and I predict that you will as well.

2/ Monster Ride looks awesome. Wish I could get a closeup on some of those graphics. Google, here I come.

3/ I watched The Unnameable and didn't hate it. This does not mean that it is "good", of course.
I feel like I need to give The Unnameable another spin, I think it's been 30 years since I watched it, although there may have been one rewatch in there somewhere.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:28 pm

Look at all of the fans here I could have offered to give my promotional Devil's Candy suckers to. Instead, I just threw them in the garbage.
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:33 pm

Wooley wrote: I feel like I need to give The Unnameable another spin, I think it's been 30 years since I watched it, although there may have been one rewatch in there somewhere.
I'd been warned (possibly by you, among others) that it did not live up to the promise of its Hall of Fame-worthy poster art, so I guess my expectations were right where they needed to be. The acting is subpar to say the least, the characters are mildly annoying (like the guy that keeps the sweater around his shoulders for the entire film), but by 1980s standards they were bearable. On the plus side, the old house was sufficiently spooky for my purposes and the creature design was WAY better than this movie deserved. Like I'm guessing the costume ate up a good 75% of the budget. In fact the creature on the poster is pretty much what they delivered, so well done there.

So it's one of those films that I'd never recommend to a normal person but some of you weirdos might appreciate it. :)
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:34 pm

Captain Terror wrote:...like the guy that keeps the sweater around his shoulders for the entire film
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:36 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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The captain of the rowing team has an image to uphold, you know. That doesn't change just 'cause he's being chased by a succubus.
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Post by Rock » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:21 am

I lost interest in The Devil's Candy once the movie decided against turning the hero's art into a source of horror and went whole hog with the bald dude in the tracksuit.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:46 am

Greta was comically bad. Huppert makes it watchable and Jordan classes it up more than it deserves but it's clearly a female centric film that has two young women protagonists, an older middle aged woman as the villain and two older white men writing it. I can't say I wasn't entertained but I can say it wasn't for the reasons they intended. Moretz was boring and Maika was wasted but their performances during the worst chase scene I've seen in a long while.
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Post by Rock » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:43 am

Is Moretz actually supposed to be a good actress? I swear I've seen people singing her praises, but the only performances I've seen from her were other inoffensive (Suspiria) or bad enough to write her off forever (Clouds of Sils Maria).
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:02 am

Rock wrote:Is Moretz actually supposed to be a good actress? I swear I've seen people singing her praises, but the only performances I've seen from her were other inoffensive (Suspiria) or bad enough to write her off forever (Clouds of Sils Maria).
People seem to think so but I'm wholly unimpressed.
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Post by Rock » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:26 am

Have you seen Elle? It sounds like it has the good parts of that movie while being good as a whole. Huppert is in fucking overdrive, while Verhoeven's direction fools you into thinking he's making a chilly arthouse drama even when he's pushing the material in the least PC directions possible.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:36 am

Rock wrote:Have you seen Elle? It sounds like it has the good parts of that movie while being good as a whole. Huppert is in fucking overdrive, while Verhoeven's direction fools you into thinking he's making a chilly arthouse drama even when he's pushing the material in the least PC directions possible.
I own it but haven't watched it. Greta inspired me to likely change that this week. Maybe even tomorrow.
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Post by Rumpled » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:10 pm

Help!!! What film is this from!!!

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It's from a film where someone is watching this film but it didn't say what the film was in the end titles.

Facists :(
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Post by Wooley » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:30 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote: People seem to think so but I'm wholly unimpressed.
Based on the work she's been getting, I'd say her 15 minutes are probably just about up.
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Post by Wooley » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:31 pm

Rumpled wrote:Help!!! What film is this from!!!

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It's from a film where someone is watching this film but it didn't say what the film was in the end titles.

Facists :(
I don't know, but I need to see it.
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Post by Takoma1 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:28 pm

Rumpled wrote:Help!!! What film is this from!!!

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It's from a film where someone is watching this film but it didn't say what the film was in the end titles.

Facists :(
Is it the 1944 The Uninvited? (Trailer)

If so, highly recommended!
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Post by Captain Terror » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:10 am

Arrgh, I don't know that one either. My gut says it's not Uninvited, but I haven't seen that in a while. Could be a comedy, like Ghost Breakers, etc.
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Post by Takoma1 » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:22 am

Rumpled wrote:Help!!! What film is this from!!!

It's from a film where someone is watching this film but it didn't say what the film was in the end titles.

Facists :(
Also, what film was it in?
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