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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:16 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:51 pm
Halloween (2018) - 3/10

Danny McBride, this script was straight garbage.
Wonderful film.
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Post by Takoma1 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:17 pm

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:58 pm
I think that this is a fair issue with the film. I'm also disappointed in the lack of background information that we receive about her upbringing, and fleshing out what we only see in fleeting flashback images. I don't have as much issue with the archetypical issues. I think that there's considerable interest between the doppleganger link between the two young women. But this too is stymied by a lack of further background information.
I mean, ambiguity in films like this really can go either way. Sometimes it gives you shivers and gets your brain turning about what might really be going on. Other times it's annoying and makes you wonder if you've just been strung along by someone who didn't know how to end their own movie. In this case I felt more like the latter. And the strength of the first 2/3 of the film made my lack of enjoyment of the final third all the worse.
I'm sorry, or else I would have mentioned it. I suppose that the issue is with the bird embryo?
Yes, and having hatched birds--what a cruel thing to do to an animal. There's a similar scene in the original Long Weekend that left me equally repulsed.
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Post by DaMU » Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:09 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:51 pm
Halloween (2018) - 3/10

Danny McBride, this script was straight garbage.
I had so many issues with this one.
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Post by Apex Predator » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:55 pm

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I'm probably the last person on this forum who has seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers (the 1978 version), but I'll sing its praises anyway. It masterfully exploits the fear of waking up to the person you love the most behaving in a completely different manner as well as the fear of having your lifestyle taken away from you without ever coming across as convoluted and/or two movies in one. It's set in the most liberal city in the U.S. at a time when Carter's approval rating was on the decline, and while that setting is not far removed from the one in today's America, it expertly presents these fears in a way that's abstract enough to apply to any situation. You also have to give credit to the special effect department and the production designers for making the body snatchers seem ordinary at first and as gross and alien as you can possibly imagine as the movie progresses (I'm also glad to finally understand the zucchini throw pillow joke in the parody of this movie from MST3K episode The Giant Spider Invasion). All of this and the most frightening ending to a movie I can remember make it the best movie I've seen so far this year.
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Post by Slentert » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:49 am

I have not seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers either, but I'm a philistine, so that comes to no surprise.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:30 pm

me three, none of you are special.
seen The Right Stuff and The Unbearable Lightness of Being though
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Post by Torgo » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:38 pm

Body Snatchers still on Amazon Prime, so in the immortal words of Samwise Gamgee, what are you waiting for?
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 pm

DaMU wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:09 pm
I had so many issues with this one.
So much yuck. I have no idea what the allegedly groundbreaking concept was that was supposed to have inspired Carpenter into getting involved. There doesn't appear to be anything remotely novel about the approaches to the story from the other sequels, and arguably the remakes were far more bold in recontextualizing the character.

Even setting aside the plodding, by-the-numbers slasher cliches, the dialogue was groaningly atrocious. I can see some of this as it relates to, say, the documentary couple, basically
making them far less sympathetic as fodder
, but uniformly none of the characters, including Laurie, are developed in anything resembling three dimensions, and most often barely two. The film isn't particularly funny (I say as an ardent defender of Vice Principles), so I can't see anything to redeem even it's half-assedness for camp's sake. And of course
boy am I happy to be back on the supernaturally desperate train of sequel set-ups
which, again, has become exactly the kind of bane to the series that we were expecting to move beyond.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:35 pm

Takoma1 wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:17 pm
Yes, and having hatched birds--what a cruel thing to do to an animal. There's a similar scene in the original Long Weekend that left me equally repulsed.
It's not an appetizing sight, to be sure, but I didn't find it to be "cruel" in the sense that it wasn't the result of the character's behavior (she passively witnessed the egg dropping from a tree), and I have no information regarding whether the egg was deliberately cracked for the shot (indeed, I can't be sure if it was actual or a prop).
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:47 am

I watched the perfection thinking it would be low rent Black Swan but it was actually low rent the Handmaiden. Still enjoyed it. Lesbian thrillers have a shockingly high success rate.
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Post by Wooley » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:20 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 pm
So much yuck. I have no idea what the allegedly groundbreaking concept was that was supposed to have inspired Carpenter into getting involved. There doesn't appear to be anything remotely novel about the approaches to the story from the other sequels, and arguably the remakes were far more bold in recontextualizing the character.

Even setting aside the plodding, by-the-numbers slasher cliches, the dialogue was groaningly atrocious. I can see some of this as it relates to, say, the documentary couple, basically
making them far less sympathetic as fodder
, but uniformly none of the characters, including Laurie, are developed in anything resembling three dimensions, and most often barely two. The film isn't particularly funny (I say as an ardent defender of Vice Principles), so I can't see anything to redeem even it's half-assedness for camp's sake. And of course
boy am I happy to be back on the supernaturally desperate train of sequel set-ups
which, again, has become exactly the kind of bane to the series that we were expecting to move beyond.
I agree there was a lot of clunk and a lot of scenes/set-pieces that seemed pointless, existing merely because set-pieces and we need the thrillz.
The whole bit with the documentarians was super-dumb, but nothing was dumber than the Doctor: ill-conceived and ill-executed, it made me feel like I was in Halloween 6.
It was a good-looking movie, but that's almost all it had going for it. The more I think about it, the more points I wanna go back and take off my original review (which was, I think, a 6/10).
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:43 am

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I'm a pretty loyal fan generally, but it's been 17 years now since Lucky McKee's May so it's becoming clear to me he will likely not make anything that good again.

In this one, John Cusack (who is inexplicably sporting guyliner for the duration of the film) parachutes into the forest DB Cooper-style, along with 8 million stolen dollars in duffel bags. But before he can retrieve said bags they are discovered by three young and attractive campers who then bicker among themselves about how to handle their situation. When Cusack discovers what has happened, a cat-and-mouse chase ensues.

This one is streaming on Netflix and while it's certainly not a great film, it does go down pretty easy and I had fun watching Cusack collect a paycheck while seemingly giving very few f--ks. The campers and their love triangle are mostly tiresome to spend time with but again, it's clear from the beginning that this is not going to be a classic so if you're willing to roll with some trashy fun this should do nicely. I've heard this called "a modern retelling of Treasure of the Sierra Madre, which I'm ashamed to admit I haven't seen, so I can't confirm this claim.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:50 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:47 am
I watched the perfection thinking it would be low rent Black Swan but it was actually low rent the Handmaiden. Still enjoyed it. Lesbian thrillers have a shockingly high success rate.
I was intrigued by your (admittedly tepid) endorsement, because two of my movie friends wanted to talk about it and had generally negative reactions to it.

Anyway, I thought it was one of the worst things I've seen in a while. Not worst in terms of acting, because the acting is . . . fine. And not worst in terms of directing, because the direction is . . . fine.

But the structure of the film, which is basically two different thrillers back-to-back is insufferable. Every "twist" is completely predictable, something that's only rubbed in when the film repeatedly "rewinds" to show us information that only a true idiot could have failed to infer the first time around.

The first half is dumb, but at least it's kind of interesting. Could it have been done ten times better? Yes. And quite easily, too. But I will give the film props for portraying the true horror of having to poop urgently on a bus with no bathroom. It was the only moment in the film that was genuinely frightening.

But the second half of the film is not only as dumb as the first half (and maybe dumber), it's also utterly depressing in the way that it takes a very sensitive topic with a ton of contemporary echoes and does nothing except use it for cheap shock value.

Did you get through the first half of the film without figuring out that
Anton was a sexual abuser grooming young women? Did you fail to notice that he only seems to be into adolescent girls who play the cello? Well, welcome to the Grooming School for Girls, run by the Head Pedophile, two other Super Obvious Pedophiles, and the Woman Who Enables Them to Show It's Not Just Men. Don't worry--if you haven't figured it out yet, please enjoy this literally heavy handed shot of Anton's hand coming down on the shoulder of a cherubic 12 year old girl.
I kept waiting for the movie to surprise me. I kept waiting for it to have some good reason for trotting out repeated sleek and stylized shots of
child abuse and rape.
. Nope.

What's grueling is that the film is so formulaic, so predictable that it's not a question of whether or not
the women will avenge themselves on their rapist. In a different, edgier film, I might have been in doubt. But here there's just no question how it will all end. The only question is how much MORE child abuse, threat of rape, rape, and porn-y shots of a woman being pulled spread-eagle in fancy chains we have to endure before the tables turn.
Also, the lesbian element felt completely forced and didn't meaningfully add to the film in any way. And in the case of this film, and where it chooses to take its plot, that feels more harmful than just a lame excuse for some soft-core girl on girl action. This movie shows us two women who
were raped by the same group of rapists engaging in a sexual relationship and just . . . doesn't think there's anything to unpack there?! To not acknowledge this dynamic of their relationship feels like a huge slap in the face to victims of sexual assault. This specific dynamic goes beyond more than just "We both went through some stuff and now we bonded!!". I think it speaks to just how superficial the use of the rape plot was in this film.
There are so many avenues of plot, so many ways to dig into a lead character who is a QPOC, and yet the movie can't think any further than the same
rape revenge--complete with drawn out disturbing flashbacks--plot that horror/thriller films have saddled women with since forever.
At least the final shot was cool.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:21 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:50 am
I was intrigued by your (admittedly tepid) endorsement, because two of my movie friends wanted to talk about it and had generally negative reactions to it.

Anyway, I thought it was one of the worst things I've seen in a while. Not worst in terms of acting, because the acting is . . . fine. And not worst in terms of directing, because the direction is . . . fine.

But the structure of the film, which is basically two different thrillers back-to-back is insufferable. Every "twist" is completely predictable, something that's only rubbed in when the film repeatedly "rewinds" to show us information that only a true idiot could have failed to infer the first time around.

The first half is dumb, but at least it's kind of interesting. Could it have been done ten times better? Yes. And quite easily, too. But I will give the film props for portraying the true horror of having to poop urgently on a bus with no bathroom. It was the only moment in the film that was genuinely frightening.

But the second half of the film is not only as dumb as the first half (and maybe dumber), it's also utterly depressing in the way that it takes a very sensitive topic with a ton of contemporary echoes and does nothing except use it for cheap shock value.

Did you get through the first half of the film without figuring out that
Anton was a sexual abuser grooming young women? Did you fail to notice that he only seems to be into adolescent girls who play the cello? Well, welcome to the Grooming School for Girls, run by the Head Pedophile, two other Super Obvious Pedophiles, and the Woman Who Enables Them to Show It's Not Just Men. Don't worry--if you haven't figured it out yet, please enjoy this literally heavy handed shot of Anton's hand coming down on the shoulder of a cherubic 12 year old girl.
I kept waiting for the movie to surprise me. I kept waiting for it to have some good reason for trotting out repeated sleek and stylized shots of
child abuse and rape.
. Nope.

What's grueling is that the film is so formulaic, so predictable that it's not a question of whether or not
the women will avenge themselves on their rapist. In a different, edgier film, I might have been in doubt. But here there's just no question how it will all end. The only question is how much MORE child abuse, threat of rape, rape, and porn-y shots of a woman being pulled spread-eagle in fancy chains we have to endure before the tables turn.
Also, the lesbian element felt completely forced and didn't meaningfully add to the film in any way. And in the case of this film, and where it chooses to take its plot, that feels more harmful than just a lame excuse for some soft-core girl on girl action. This movie shows us two women who
were raped by the same group of rapists engaging in a sexual relationship and just . . . doesn't think there's anything to unpack there?! To not acknowledge this dynamic of their relationship feels like a huge slap in the face to victims of sexual assault. This specific dynamic goes beyond more than just "We both went through some stuff and now we bonded!!". I think it speaks to just how superficial the use of the rape plot was in this film.
There are so many avenues of plot, so many ways to dig into a lead character who is a QPOC, and yet the movie can't think any further than the same
rape revenge--complete with drawn out disturbing flashbacks--plot that horror/thriller films have saddled women with since forever.
At least the final shot was cool.
You're not going to find much in the way of a rebuttal or even a disagreement on the matter as those weaknesses are absolutely there and prevalent. The structure was far more effectively used in the Handmaiden, if you haven't seen that, please don't let the comparison dissuade you.

The positive feelings I have towards the film deal with sensational audacity and the willingness to embrace absurdity and stupidity. This places the film in the same spectrum of exploitative cinema as the schlockiest Italian Giallo, a genre I embrace whole heartedly despite my awareness of all the narrative, thematic and social deficiencies.

It's a matter of dramatic propulsion and sensationalism that kept me engaged. Is it superficial enjoyment? Absolutely. But things like the editing in the sex scene which juxtaposes it with them playing the cello which echoes in that final scene are things that I find engaging enough to enjoyably pass the brisket 90 min runtime.

The direction IS fine and that's the type of thing I'm often looking for far more than narrative when it comes to "genre" works.

It scratched the well-made schlock itch that few modern films even attempt to scratch.
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Post by Slentert » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:50 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:50 am
I was intrigued by your (admittedly tepid) endorsement, because two of my movie friends wanted to talk about it and had generally negative reactions to it.

Anyway, I thought it was one of the worst things I've seen in a while. Not worst in terms of acting, because the acting is . . . fine. And not worst in terms of directing, because the direction is . . . fine.

But the structure of the film, which is basically two different thrillers back-to-back is insufferable. Every "twist" is completely predictable, something that's only rubbed in when the film repeatedly "rewinds" to show us information that only a true idiot could have failed to infer the first time around.

The first half is dumb, but at least it's kind of interesting. Could it have been done ten times better? Yes. And quite easily, too. But I will give the film props for portraying the true horror of having to poop urgently on a bus with no bathroom. It was the only moment in the film that was genuinely frightening.

But the second half of the film is not only as dumb as the first half (and maybe dumber), it's also utterly depressing in the way that it takes a very sensitive topic with a ton of contemporary echoes and does nothing except use it for cheap shock value.

Did you get through the first half of the film without figuring out that
Anton was a sexual abuser grooming young women? Did you fail to notice that he only seems to be into adolescent girls who play the cello? Well, welcome to the Grooming School for Girls, run by the Head Pedophile, two other Super Obvious Pedophiles, and the Woman Who Enables Them to Show It's Not Just Men. Don't worry--if you haven't figured it out yet, please enjoy this literally heavy handed shot of Anton's hand coming down on the shoulder of a cherubic 12 year old girl.
I kept waiting for the movie to surprise me. I kept waiting for it to have some good reason for trotting out repeated sleek and stylized shots of
child abuse and rape.
. Nope.

What's grueling is that the film is so formulaic, so predictable that it's not a question of whether or not
the women will avenge themselves on their rapist. In a different, edgier film, I might have been in doubt. But here there's just no question how it will all end. The only question is how much MORE child abuse, threat of rape, rape, and porn-y shots of a woman being pulled spread-eagle in fancy chains we have to endure before the tables turn.
Also, the lesbian element felt completely forced and didn't meaningfully add to the film in any way. And in the case of this film, and where it chooses to take its plot, that feels more harmful than just a lame excuse for some soft-core girl on girl action. This movie shows us two women who
were raped by the same group of rapists engaging in a sexual relationship and just . . . doesn't think there's anything to unpack there?! To not acknowledge this dynamic of their relationship feels like a huge slap in the face to victims of sexual assault. This specific dynamic goes beyond more than just "We both went through some stuff and now we bonded!!". I think it speaks to just how superficial the use of the rape plot was in this film.
There are so many avenues of plot, so many ways to dig into a lead character who is a QPOC, and yet the movie can't think any further than the same
rape revenge--complete with drawn out disturbing flashbacks--plot that horror/thriller films have saddled women with since forever.
At least the final shot was cool.
1000% agreed
I think I would've liked the movie more if it was just about two women stuck in the middle of nowhere, without them able to speak the local language, while one of them is dying of an unknown virus. Those 15 minutes on the bus were the best part of the entire movie, while still not particularly great.
The dialogue is in this movie was also absolutely terrible at times.
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Post by Takoma1 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:46 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:21 am
You're not going to find much in the way of a rebuttal or even a disagreement on the matter as those weaknesses are absolutely there and prevalent. The structure was far more effectively used in the Handmaiden, if you haven't seen that, please don't let the comparison dissuade you.
I have seen The Handmaiden which was ten times better and actually took the time to develop its characters and earn their various traumas.
The positive feelings I have towards the film deal with sensational audacity and the willingness to embrace absurdity and stupidity.
But what was audacious about it? I felt like it was a barely gussied up version of the same "stylish"
rape revenge
plot that I've seen a million times.

Like Slentert says above, there's a promising 10-15 minute run there but then the movie completely gives up on that element of suspense.

This makes me think so much of how I felt after watching American Mary. You feel like you're finally seeing something different with a female protagonist in a horror movie, and then it's like the writers panic and go "Um, wait! This is actually about
how she was raped! That's literally the only thing that can be used to build the backstory/motivation of a female character!"
For me, it took away any joy I could have had in the direction and a few neat shots.
It's a matter of dramatic propulsion and sensationalism that kept me engaged.


I felt like it was just the wrong kind of stupid. There's fun stupid, and there's hurtful stupid, and this landed in the latter category for me. I mean,
"Play this cello piece perfectly or I'll rape this little girl"?
Like what even is that? Plus it's obvious that the
little girl is not going to be raped, so really you're just getting us all to THINK about child rape for 12 minutes.
It's cheap provocation with no real stakes and the final kicker is that there's a faux-feminist veneer to this kind of story that begins with a really powerful dynamic between to women and then makes a
male rapist the star for the last 30 minutes.
Boo.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:53 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:46 pm
I have seen The Handmaiden which was ten times better and actually took the time to develop its characters and earn their various traumas.



But what was audacious about it? I felt like it was a barely gussied up version of the same "stylish"
rape revenge
plot that I've seen a million times.

Like Slentert says above, there's a promising 10-15 minute run there but then the movie completely gives up on that element of suspense.

This makes me think so much of how I felt after watching American Mary. You feel like you're finally seeing something different with a female protagonist in a horror movie, and then it's like the writers panic and go "Um, wait! This is actually about
how she was raped! That's literally the only thing that can be used to build the backstory/motivation of a female character!"
For me, it took away any joy I could have had in the direction and a few neat shots.



I felt like it was just the wrong kind of stupid. There's fun stupid, and there's hurtful stupid, and this landed in the latter category for me. I mean,
"Play this cello piece perfectly or I'll rape this little girl"?
Like what even is that? Plus it's obvious that the
little girl is not going to be raped, so really you're just getting us all to THINK about child rape for 12 minutes.
It's cheap provocation with no real stakes and the final kicker is that there's a faux-feminist veneer to this kind of story that begins with a really powerful dynamic between to women and then makes a
male rapist the star for the last 30 minutes.
Boo.
The bombast of the style, violence and sex is audacious for an American film. It goes to extremes that usually reserved for Italy or South Korea.

Maybe it's because I never once felt like I was seeing something new that I never had that disappointment.

I think the film avoids being a "mean" film or tasteless because it doesn't revel in explicit depiction of abuse. That's frequently what these types of films do, usually as an excuse for an easy in for showing boobs (not a one in this film, despite it's erotic underpinnings).

It's vapid, pulpy thrills that delivers on what those types of films do well. It never reaches the high art level of The Handmaiden, despite clearly owing it a great debt for inspiration. It's by that same relative quality that Strait Jacket would suck if I popped it on expecting Psycho.
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Post by DaMU » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 pm
So much yuck. I have no idea what the allegedly groundbreaking concept was that was supposed to have inspired Carpenter into getting involved.
Yeah, it didn't seem groundbreaking to me either. Mostly seemed like a combination of the original Halloween 2 and Halloween: H2O in terms of plot ideas. Maybe Carpenter just saw that there was money to be made, and that he could do the score, which - his score worked really well and elevated quite a few scenes.
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I could easily parse and nit pick a hundred silly things from this film, an admirably independent and low-budget slow-burn psychological horror film with a number of amateur nicks around the edges, but ultimately, I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt for sheer gall. - 8/10
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Post by Takoma1 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:51 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:53 am
I think the film avoids being a "mean" film or tasteless because it doesn't revel in explicit depiction of abuse. That's frequently what these types of films do, usually as an excuse for an easy in for showing boobs (not a one in this film, despite it's erotic underpinnings).
I noticed the lack of direct shots of breasts, but mainly because the choreography used to block them was so clunky. And the movie basically shows us their whole bodies anyway, so it gets a thousandth of a point for being "non exploitative" in that way. You don't get to cover up a few nipples and then be smug about it when you literally have an extended shot of a woman's rear end in a barely-there thong.

And I would argue that the film repeatedly revels in depictions of abuse. No, we don't actually
watch someone have sex with a child. But we do watch a young woman in agony for like 10 minutes knowing that she's about to be raped by a group of men. We spend several minutes watching a woman being held down and chained up so that she can be raped. (Like, the one girl could have just given a long, threatening speech while waiting for the poison to kick in instead of having her friend's underwear removed and legs spread, but, okay, sure.)
It's vapid, pulpy thrills that delivers on what those types of films do well.
I don't know. I had two friends tell me that they didn't like it, so despite your earlier "Yeah, it's okay" review, I went in with relatively low expectations. It had craft, like I said earlier, but this is not the kind of story where I can praise style over substance. We are awash right now in real stories of
young people experiencing institutional abuse--the gymnastics girls, the Nvxium cult people, the Michael Jackson and R Kelly stories--and to grab that structure as a "fun" premise feels like a blunder. It's crass. And, again, not in a way that feels mischievous or enjoyable.
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This is the kind of movie that, to me, commits one of the worst cinematic crimes, namely that it totally wastes some real talent.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:04 pm

Takoma1 wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:51 pm
I noticed the lack of direct shots of breasts, but mainly because the choreography used to block them was so clunky. And the movie basically shows us their whole bodies anyway, so it gets a thousandth of a point for being "non exploitative" in that way. You don't get to cover up a few nipples and then be smug about it when you literally have an extended shot of a woman's rear end in a barely-there thong.

And I would argue that the film repeatedly revels in depictions of abuse. No, we don't actually
watch someone have sex with a child. But we do watch a young woman in agony for like 10 minutes knowing that she's about to be raped by a group of men. We spend several minutes watching a woman being held down and chained up so that she can be raped. (Like, the one girl could have just given a long, threatening speech while waiting for the poison to kick in instead of having her friend's underwear removed and legs spread, but, okay, sure.)


I don't know. I had two friends tell me that they didn't like it, so despite your earlier "Yeah, it's okay" review, I went in with relatively low expectations. It had craft, like I said earlier, but this is not the kind of story where I can praise style over substance. We are awash right now in real stories of
young people experiencing institutional abuse--the gymnastics girls, the Nvxium cult people, the Michael Jackson and R Kelly stories--and to grab that structure as a "fun" premise feels like a blunder. It's crass. And, again, not in a way that feels mischievous or enjoyable.
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This is the kind of movie that, to me, commits one of the worst cinematic crimes, namely that it totally wastes some real talent.
I don't think you're giving it nearly enough credit on that front. Using the premise to generate tension is far different than graphic, consistent depiction of abuse. That is the norm of the genre. Even ones I otherwise consider to be very good films (Bedeviled for instance) usually employ numerous scenes of graphic renderings of female bodies being ravished for the horror and enjoyment of audiences (see: virtually any Japanese pinku film)

I know you don't particularly care for the "will they be raped" form of tension building but I don't hold it as any manner of "meaner" than "will they be murdered" for my own personal response.

Should the film have handled this subject material more sensitively? Perhaps. Is this material inappropriate for this tone and style of film? I can't agree with that and I think it strikes an enjoyable balance of craft and pulpy exploitation.
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I don't think you're giving it nearly enough credit on that front. Using the premise to generate tension is far different than graphic, consistent depiction of abuse. That is the norm of the genre. Even ones I otherwise consider to be very good films (Bedeviled for instance) usually employ numerous scenes of graphic renderings of female bodies being ravished for the horror and enjoyment of audiences (see: virtually any Japanese pinku film)

I know you don't particularly care for the "will they be raped" form of tension building but I don't hold it as any manner of "meaner" than "will they be murdered" for my own personal response.
To me it is different, and that's because I know a lot of people (men, women, children) who have been directly impacted by rape/child abuse and very few who have been impacted by murder. So, yes, that's a subjective line for me. But, again, I also find myself exhausted by writers' total inability to imagine that women can have histories or emotional complexities that are deeper than sexual trauma. So when you get a film that seems to be bucking that trend only to slip lazily into that well-trod path, it's especially aggravating.
Should the film have handled this subject material more sensitively? Perhaps. Is this material inappropriate for this tone and style of film? I can't agree with that and I think it strikes an enjoyable balance of craft and pulpy exploitation.
My problem is actually that the film plopped itself inelegantly in the middle. It didn't have enough flair or weirdness to achieve that camp level where sensitive subjects feel like they're happening on another plane, and yet it was just dumb enough that it felt like it didn't have any real empathy for its characters.

You know what, maybe that's my real problem with the film. I don't think it actually gave a damn about rape and abuse. It was more concerned with nonsensical wig reveals and cutesy rewind reveals. The writing is bad, but not memorably so. Like, I know that there was that looooooong scene where she messed up and he's talking to her in the basement room. But I can't remember a single thing that he said. The film uses child abuse as a lever for cheap emotional provocation, but it has nothing interesting to say.

I think that you were more impressed with its presentation than I was. I can think of three memorable moments, and not a single thing that carried echoes through the rest of the film.
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I've avoided reading that much about The Perfection, but a lot of the reactions I've been reading it calling it pretty gross. How accurate is that statement?

Also, I watched Phase IV this last weekend. Not sure if it qualifies as horror although that's where the video store I go to filed it. Anyway, I'm surprised it's not based on a short story, because the storytelling is lean and schematic in ways I associate with the format. But the real reason to see it is the cinematography. This is the only movie Saul Bass directed, and as one would expect from his background in designing logos and title sequences, it's frequently eye-popping. The extreme close-up insect photography prefigures similar work in Phenomena, and although they're a source of threat unlike in that film, I appreciate the movie goes for a more sophisticated sense of horror rather than easy gross-outs.
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Rock wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:00 am
I've avoided reading that much about The Perfection, but a lot of the reactions I've been reading it calling it pretty gross. How accurate is that statement?
In the visceral/gore sense, relatively mild.

Conceptually, I had a lot of issues with it. Like, a LOT of issues.

The acting is good. The direction is pretty good. The writing is really bad. I found it offensively predictable and also felt that it used some really upsetting content for cheap emotional manipulation. The bare bones of the plot could have made for something really interesting, and instead I'm increasingly mad that it exists.
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Post by Apex Predator » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:15 pm

The Curse of Robert was a British horror about a doll that could move around and the people of a museum who tried to keep themselves and their patrons alive.

It was watchable and almost respectable at times, but things started to dive off the cliff in the last 20-30 minutes or so.

The end result was a waste of time that will remind you of other, better films to watch.
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I really liked the new Halloween. Maybe it was because I saw it on the big screen. Jamie Lee Curtis gave a fantastic performance in it, too.
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Jinn (2014) - 2/10

I take this entire film as a thousand and one personal insults.
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This is 10 minutes long. I suggest you just watch it and do not read anything about it.

[media]<p><a href="">Rachel</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/andrewdeyoung">Andrew DeYoung</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>[/media]
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Underworld started out as some dumb fun with its share of pretty cgi filled action scenes along with a bit of cheese such as the constant overacting and the rather silly sexy cat suit. In addition, I actually kind of liked Michael's character arc of a human coming to terms with the new life thrust upon him. I was a bit surprised to see that bit of a seriousness there. About halfway through the film though, I couldn't decide which side to root for after the film explained the origins of the war. Normally, this detail could be seen as a sort of "both sides are just as bad as each other" conflict, but despite wanting revenge (and understandably so), the lycans really didn't have that great enough lower ground to get me to despise them in the end. This was fun to look at and all, but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it or if I even liked it that much. Just one big pile of meh.
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Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:35 am
Underworld started out as some dumb fun with its share of pretty cgi filled action scenes along with a bit of cheese such as the constant overacting and the rather silly sexy cat suit. In addition, I actually kind of liked Michael's character arc of a human coming to terms with the new life thrust upon him. I was a bit surprised to see that bit of a seriousness there. About halfway through the film though, I couldn't decide which side to root for after the film explained the origins of the war. Normally, this detail could be seen as a sort of "both sides are just as bad as each other" conflict, but despite wanting revenge (and understandably so), the lycans really didn't have that great enough lower ground to get me to despise them in the end. This was fun to look at and all, but I'm not sure if I'd recommend it or if I even liked it that much. Just one big pile of meh.
There were very fine people on both sides.
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Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:23 pm
This is 10 minutes long. I suggest you just watch it and do not read anything about it.

[media]<p><a href="">Rachel</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/andrewdeyoung">Andrew DeYoung</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>[/media]
Wow.
That was really uncomfortable.
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Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:23 pm
This is 10 minutes long. I suggest you just watch it and do not read anything about it.
Ha! Nice find. I was so excited when I realized Kate Berlant was in it. She's really funny and I hadn't seen her in a while. Looks like she's done a lot since I last googled her a few years ago. Thanks.
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Did you guys see the footage at the end where it's the
cell phone video of the real woman who inspired the film
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Takoma1 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 pm
Did you guys see the footage at the end where it's the
cell phone video of the real woman who inspired the film
?
Yes. Id love to see the full video
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I am so glad that I knew nothing about District 9 before watching it.

Thoughts?
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Takoma1 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:07 am
I am so glad that I knew nothing about District 9 before watching it.

Thoughts?
I saw it back when it was in theaters and dug it quite a bit.
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Deschain13 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:59 am
I saw it back when it was in theaters and dug it quite a bit.
It was much more complex and emotionally rich than I expected it to be. Copley's performance is really something.
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I thought District 9 was good, but I had a few issues with it. For instance, I felt like some of its apartheid themes were rather obvious. In addition to this, I found it a bit hard to take seriously that the government would let the aliens roam around in a confined area, and not even try to research them or understand where they came from. In some ways, I feel like this film would've been just fine without the sci-fi angle. Also, many people criticized the plot to Cameron's Avatar for being done several times before, and this movie was released in the same year, so the fact that this movie gets a free pass is a mystery to me. It's not a bad film by any means as it had great many great technical aspects and effective emotional moments to it such as its phenomenal ending and, as you note, Copley's performance was really good, but I feel like it could've been improved in various ways.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 am
I thought District 9 was good, but I had a few issues with it. For instance, I felt like some of its apartheid themes were rather obvious. In addition to this, I found it a bit hard to take seriously that the government would let the aliens roam around in a confined area, and not even try to research them or understand where they came from. In some ways, I feel like this film would've been just fine without the sci-fi angle. Also, many people criticized the plot to Cameron's Avatar for being done several times before, and this movie was released in the same year, so the fact that this movie gets a free pass is a mystery to me. It's not a bad film by any means as it had great many great technical aspects and effective emotional moments to it such as its phenomenal ending and, as you note, Copley's performance was really good, but I feel like it could've been improved in various ways.
The themes are obvious, but at the same time it didn't take away from the emotional power of the film for me.

I haven't seen James "She's gotta have tits" Cameron's Avatar, so I can't compare the two. I feel like the film begins as very thin allegory and then takes a much needed sharp turn 1/4 of the way through.

I'm not totally sure what you mean about the film being fine without the sci-fi angle. Do you just mean the
element of him transforming
? Because what other sci-fi element could they do away with without destroying the central premise of the film?
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It's easily Blomkamp's best. The social commentary is obvious, but there's a lived-in quality to it that I think it makes it feel pretty immediate, and Copley's performance and character arc give the movie a pretty strong centre. As for his other features, Elysium is World Issues for Dummies and Chappie is RoboCop for Dummies, but the latter at least has a sense of humour and a strong Copley voice performance to keep it mostly palatable.

Have you seen the short it's based on?

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Takoma1 wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:07 am
I'm not totally sure what you mean about the film being fine without the sci-fi angle. Do you just mean the
element of him transforming
? Because what other sci-fi element could they do away with without destroying the central premise of the film?
The issue I was referring to was how I found it a bit difficult to believe that the government wouldn't try to research the aliens/understand them/find out their origins and how they just appeared to give up and allow them to live in a confined area. If the movie wasn't about aliens and was grounded in realism, I feel like this issue would be fixed. The setup could've used a bit of work in my opinion.

By the way, I also recommend watching Blomkamp's shorts he did with Oats Studios: Rakka, Firebase, and Zygote (they can be found on youtube and are about 20-30 minutes long). They're quite good.

On a side note, is this forum running better for you now? I remember you saying that the update made it difficult to navigate this site a while back.
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Takoma1 wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:23 pm
This is 10 minutes long. I suggest you just watch it and do not read anything about it.

[media]<p><a href="">Rachel</a> from <a href="https://vimeo.com/andrewdeyoung">Andrew DeYoung</a> on <a href="https://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>[/media]
Interesting, but I didn't really find it scary at all; for a moment there, I was wondering if
when the guy couldn't find Rachel in the bathroom, that he was going to eventually find that she had killed herself somewhere in some sort of gruesome manner, but... nothing.
Good dramatic short, I guess, just not a very good Horror one.
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Takoma1 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 pm
Did you guys see the footage at the end where it's the
cell phone video of the real woman who inspired the film
?
Yeah. But did she just disappear like Rachel? :shifty:
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Stu wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:05 am
Interesting, but I didn't really find it scary at all; for a moment there, I was wondering if
when the guy couldn't find Rachel in the bathroom, that he was going to eventually find that she had killed herself somewhere in some sort of gruesome manner, but... nothing.
Good dramatic short, I guess, just not a very good Horror one.
Dude, the thing is...
was she ever there at all?
Or...
was she a ghost?
Or...
was she a killer and they just had a near-death experience?
That's what I came away with.
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Wooley wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:03 am
Dude, the thing is...
was she ever there at all?
Or...
was she a ghost?
Or...
was she a killer and they just had a near-death experience?
That's what I came away with.
Correct! I wonder if the
disappearing
part actually happened. I want to believe it did.

Check out this non-horror clip from Berlant and Early, which I thought was brilliant---
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Wooley wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:03 am
Dude, the thing is...
was she ever there at all?
Or...
was she a ghost?
Or...
was she a killer and they just had a near-death experience?
That's what I came away with.
Indeed. What made the short compelling were
the suggestions as to what she planned to do and what would've happened to them if they hadn't kicked her out.
It felt sort of like abstract horror. Pretty cool short.
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Post by Takoma1 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 pm

Thanks for the link to the short, Rock!
Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:56 am
The issue I was referring to was how I found it a bit difficult to believe that the government wouldn't try to research the aliens/understand them/find out their origins and how they just appeared to give up and allow them to live in a confined area. If the movie wasn't about aliens and was grounded in realism, I feel like this issue would be fixed. The setup could've used a bit of work in my opinion.

By the way, I also recommend watching Blomkamp's shorts he did with Oats Studios: Rakka, Firebase, and Zygote (they can be found on youtube and are about 20-30 minutes long). They're quite good.

On a side note, is this forum running better for you now? I remember you saying that the update made it difficult to navigate this site a while back.
But you need the sci-fi element in order for
Copley's character to understand the horror of what his company has been doing to the aliens.
Without it being about aliens it would be a drama about apartheid. And while I would watch a well-made drama about apartheid, the alien technology, the wonderful ambiguity about the ending, those things wouldn't exist.

(And yes, the site is running a bit better for me. It's still kind of slow, and when people post GIFs it totally freezes my screen. I can't figure out what the deal is. Must just be something to do with my Chromebook).
Stu wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:05 am
Interesting, but I didn't really find it scary at all; for a moment there, I was wondering if
when the guy couldn't find Rachel in the bathroom, that he was going to eventually find that she had killed herself somewhere in some sort of gruesome manner, but... nothing.
Good dramatic short, I guess, just not a very good Horror one.
To me, these kind of situations are much scarier than most "horror" films. It's deeply unsettling to me, and I think that it really captures the uncomfortable dynamic where the "good guys" can outnumber the "bad guy", and yet the unpredictability/unknown element of the person makes them seem like such a threat. You've got a petite woman in an apartment with 5 men and a woman who is very sturdy looking, and yet you fear for those 6 people at the party. To me, that's kind of great and a fantastic dynamic. Also, if I lived in that apartment I would be forever worried that she was
still in there somehow.
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