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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 1:27 am

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I'm a The Final Terror fan as well. I subscribe to the theory that it's sort of an anti-slasher like Scream in that its ribbing the genre's tropes (albeit more subtly). Plus, you have to love its manic energy - and not just in Joey Pants's nutso performance - and that swooping camerawork.
I found it to easily be Andrew Davis’ worst film. I don’t think he was up for being DP as well as director, as the night scenes are under lit to the point of incompressibility. The film, outside of Joey Pants, are as bland a group as ever assembled in a slasher, which undercuts the higher ideas its aiming for, to be more of a Deliverance.

The tedious pacing makes for cinema that isn’t interesting enough to look at when it’s not being a horror movie and it only does that for the last 30 mins. It even sets up an ethos for the killer then utterly betrays it for a cheap scare.

It definitely hurts it that it was released the same year as the little seen THE PREY, which does basically everything this one is trying for but much better, using fairly exquisite nature footage with natural predation to create some semblance of subtext that has weight. It’s also a mess and far from a perfect slasher but I can’t think of anything Final Terror does better than the Prey nor can I think of anything FT does particularly well at all.
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Post by Torgo » Mon May 18, 2020 1:34 am

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I couldn't find it when I was doing my Gordon-o-thon last year! If you know where I can find it, hook a buddy up.
I'm in the same boat. I defer to MKS.
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Post by Torgo » Mon May 18, 2020 1:52 am

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I found it to easily be Andrew Davis’ worst film. I don’t think he was up for being DP as well as director, as the night scenes are under lit to the point of incompressibility. The film, outside of Joey Pants, are as bland a group as ever assembled in a slasher, which undercuts the higher ideas its aiming for, to be more of a Deliverance.

The tedious pacing makes for cinema that isn’t interesting enough to look at when it’s not being a horror movie and it only does that for the last 30 mins. It even sets up an ethos for the killer then utterly betrays it for a cheap scare.

It definitely hurts it that it was released the same year as the little seen THE PREY, which does basically everything this one is trying for but much better, using fairly exquisite nature footage with natural predation to create some semblance of subtext that has weight. It’s also a mess and far from a perfect slasher but I can’t think of anything Final Terror does better than the Prey nor can I think of anything FT does particularly well at all.
Worse than Chain Reaction? Surely you jest!
I found the pacing more brisk as well as Adrian Zmed and Daryl Hannah more interesting than you did, obviously. Either way, I should see The Prey.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 2:12 am

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Worse than Chain Reaction? Surely you jest!
I found the pacing more brisk as well as Adrian Zmed and Daryl Hannah more interesting than you did, obviously. Either way, I should see The Prey.
I admit I haven’t seen CR since the 90’s but I wouldn’t put TFT in the same ballpark as his films with Seagal, let alone something like The Fugitive.

I like Daryl Hannah but her performance annoyed me. I don’t know whether to blame her or Davis but given the injury she’s supposed to have sustained and her subsequent acting completely fine was rather frustrating.

I can’t imagine a fan of The Final Terror not appreciating The Prey. It’s like a combination of TFT and the Burning.

I’ve been having trouble finding Robotjox too, guys. I’ll let you know if I find it.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon May 18, 2020 4:01 am

Cabin Fever was decent. It had a number of effective scares and clever shots throughout the middle section and the opening scenes. I also enjoyed the way the virus played out by having the protagonists turn on each other and run into conflict with the locals, making the proceedings feel like natural outcomes they'd run into. However, in addition to some of the annoying teenage characters which I tend to dislike in horror films, the final half hour changed the tone too much for me to stay on board. I mean, I get it's a horror comedy, but considering that the emphasis on humor wasn't so strong before the final act, I found this change in tone to be really off-putting and I eventually wasn't able to remain invested in the film as it wrapped to a close. I did like that racist joke at the end though. That made me laugh. Also, the dvd apparently shows two pornstars in the menu selection which has nothing to do with the film.
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Post by Captain Terror » Mon May 18, 2020 3:52 pm

Paging MKS:

Are you familiar with any of these?
Vinegar Syndrome Announces Upcoming Set “Forgotten Gialli: Volume 1”

Volume 1 includes: “Javier Aguirre’s Euro-sleaze-star-studded adaptation of And Then There Were None, THE KILLER IS ONE OF 13, León Klimovsky’s giallo/proto-slasher hybrid, TRAUMA, and Helia Colombo’s supremely weird THE POLICE ARE BLUNDERING IN THE DARK.”

Also, shouldn't a giallo from Spain be an "amarillo" instead? :)
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 4:33 pm

I have had my eye on this set and Severin’s Lenzi set that are about to drop. They seem prohibitively expensive but I may make an exception and just drop some bills on the both of them. Consider it a business expense for researching a new screenplay I’m planning.
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Post by Wooley » Mon May 18, 2020 4:35 pm

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But why? It isn’t even my favorite 80’s slasher with “Final” in the title.
Why did I feel it was underrated? Because I thought it was really good and nobody talks about it.
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Post by Wooley » Mon May 18, 2020 4:37 pm

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Mon May 18, 2020 1:27 am
I found it to easily be Andrew Davis’ worst film. I don’t think he was up for being DP as well as director, as the night scenes are under lit to the point of incompressibility. The film, outside of Joey Pants, are as bland a group as ever assembled in a slasher, which undercuts the higher ideas its aiming for, to be more of a Deliverance.

The tedious pacing makes for cinema that isn’t interesting enough to look at when it’s not being a horror movie and it only does that for the last 30 mins. It even sets up an ethos for the killer then utterly betrays it for a cheap scare.

It definitely hurts it that it was released the same year as the little seen THE PREY, which does basically everything this one is trying for but much better, using fairly exquisite nature footage with natural predation to create some semblance of subtext that has weight. It’s also a mess and far from a perfect slasher but I can’t think of anything Final Terror does better than the Prey nor can I think of anything FT does particularly well at all.
Our opinions on this film are so far apart it's probably not worth getting into.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 4:50 pm

Wooley wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:37 pm
Our opinions on this film are so far apart it's probably not worth getting into.
I’d still like to hear it. Also, have you seen The Prey?
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Post by Charles » Mon May 18, 2020 4:53 pm

Hey, how much abusive relationship stuff is there in The Invisible Man? I'm really into the concept of using the character like that, but that's not the type of story I'd usually go for, so I'm on the fence about watching it.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 5:04 pm

Charles wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:53 pm
Hey, how much abusive relationship stuff is there in The Invisible Man? I'm really into the concept of using the character like that, but that's not the type of story I'd usually go for, so I'm on the fence about watching it.
What do you mean by “how much?” As in seeing them in domestic life? None. The movie starts with a wordless escape that tells you everything about their relationship without seeing it. The entire movie is abusive fallout from that escape though.
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Post by Torgo » Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm

MKS. Robot Jox. How we can watch it. We need answers.
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Post by Wooley » Mon May 18, 2020 5:31 pm

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I’d still like to hear it. Also, have you seen The Prey?
I haven't, but I'll scout around for it since you rec it and you compare it favorably to The Final Terror which I will watch anytime, anywhere, in a box, or with a fox.
It's been a while since I've seen it so I'll have to do this from fairly remote memory (goddamn RT wiping out hundreds of write-ups I did) but here's what I can remember:
The first thing that comes to mind is that I loved the dynamic of the group. I found it really surprising and refreshing the way it starts out with a feint that this is gonna be uncomfortable when the group of very typically male guides is gonna take these good-looking women out into the woods and of course you expect them to behave badly... but then they don' they actually have fun and are pretty decent and then when things go wrong, I really liked the way the group pulled together. I felt like this was an area I would expect a low-budget slasher to be very tropish, but it wasn't, at all. The characters acted like people instead of tropes and I thought that was really great.
I liked Zmed and Rachel Ward, and Hannah too, but there were others I liked as well, I didn't really feel like anyone was flat or lacked a personality. I definitely thought Pantoliano delivered.
Speaking of subverted tropes (and I know this movie was early so it probably wasn't intentionally subverting them, but in retrospect...) I really, really liked that this wasn't like a group that just kept having people wander off to go skinny-dipping or get high (though both of those things happen early on) or have sex as if there was no danger, and then getting individually picked off in little set-pieces (there were some, if I remember, but not like it is in most slashers). I thought it felt much more real than the usual camp or woods or whatever kinda thing where everything is just set up by the filmmakers to deliver evenly paced kills one at a time until the final girl. I liked that they were all just stuck out deep in the woods with a predator that was more violent than they could be or be prepared for, that knew the terrain, that in every way had the advantage on them and they were all just trying to survive.
I also thought that the movie was kinda clever in the way it kept you teetering on this balance of "Is this exactly what it seems? Or are they gonna flip this some way?" I felt that was going on throughout the movie and I thought they held that up pretty well until they decided to reveal what was going on and it kept me interested. Which leads into the fact that I thought The Bad was really cool and interesting and it was also a bit of a flip on the common horror idea of someone has a child (Jason or the monster in The Funhouse or any number of other "we have to keep him in the basement") that is the monster/killer/whatever. Not something I'd seen in a lot of other horror movies.
I loved the scene(s) with the cabin. Really thought all that was cool. I loved the scene on the bus at night. I really liked the climax

That's all I can remember right now.
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Post by Wooley » Mon May 18, 2020 5:32 pm

Charles wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:53 pm
Hey, how much abusive relationship stuff is there in The Invisible Man? I'm really into the concept of using the character like that, but that's not the type of story I'd usually go for, so I'm on the fence about watching it.
It is entirely what the movie is about and it goes straight to it from the opening scene and never lets up on it.
But it is really well done.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 5:36 pm

Torgo wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 5:29 pm
MKS. Robot Jox. How we can watch it. We need answers.
Heh. It’s not streaming anywhere and the R1 dvd/Blu-ray is extremely OOP. There are German and Spanish RB Blu-ray that go for between $20 and $30 depending on which one and where you order.

Then there’s piracy.
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Post by Takoma1 » Mon May 18, 2020 5:43 pm

Charles wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:53 pm
Hey, how much abusive relationship stuff is there in The Invisible Man? I'm really into the concept of using the character like that, but that's not the type of story I'd usually go for, so I'm on the fence about watching it.
The film begins with the main character escaping her abusive relationship and then the rest of the film (as you probably know) is her suspecting that he's still out there and after her.

The film is highly empathetic to the character and it's not about indulging in misery porn. In fact, I really appreciated that it tackled a part of the "abused woman" narrative that isn't shown a lot of the time. In those stories, the woman leaving is often the big moment, but what comes after? When someone is controlling and/or violent, just being out of their house doesn't mean you feel safe. And the access to her life that he had by virtue of being her romantic partner (e-mail accounts, etc) means that he still has the power to try and mess with her from afar.

I think that the way that the real life element of someone escaping an abusive partner and the horror movie element of being stalked by an invisible menace are wedded together beautifully. The film really taps into the way that you can go crazy wondering if you are being too paranoid (or not paranoid enough), and how to a certain degree how can you ever know that you are safe from someone like that? Moss gives an excellent performance and I loved how the film was shot.

I'm not sure why you "wouldn't go for" a story featuring domestic abuse or a domestic abuse victim as a protagonist. If it's because you have personal experience with it, then you might find some of the sequences upsetting.
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Post by Captain Terror » Mon May 18, 2020 6:28 pm

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Mon May 18, 2020 4:33 pm
I have had my eye on this set and Severin’s Lenzi set that are about to drop. They seem prohibitively expensive but I may make an exception and just drop some bills on the both of them. Consider it a business expense for researching a new screenplay I’m planning.
I was asking if you're familiar with the films themselves.

I'm definitely not buying this but I've seen some Vinegar titles on Prime in the past. Just wondering if I should be on the lookout for these. Or are they "forgotten" for a reason?
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Post by Rock » Mon May 18, 2020 6:32 pm

Is The Amityville Horror the lamest horror movie that's considered a classic? I watched it for the first time in over ten years, and all the exciting stuff I remembered (the bleeding walls, James Brolin raving like a lunatic, thunder and lightning) is in the last ten minutes. The hour and fifty minutes before that is devoted to taking the most mundane possible avenues to generate "scares", like disappearing catering fees, flu-like symptoms, clogged toilets and the like. What the movie considers "scary" is frequently so banal that it accidentally slides into ambiguity. Can the house really be haunted if the mysterious occurrences are this unimpressive? For large portions the movie depends on its autumnal vibe (halfway pleasing) and Brolin's performance (strained at best) to evoke any semblance of horror, but the limp approach arguably helps the climax land harder. Given how ineffective large stretches of the movie are, I'm honestly a bit surprised at its cultural footprint, but perhaps audiences responded to the fact that the supernatural happenings feel more inconvenient than terrifying, and thus were much easier to relate to.
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Captain Terror wrote:
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I was asking if you're familiar with the films themselves.

I'm definitely not buying this but I've seen some Vinegar titles on Prime in the past. Just wondering if I should be on the lookout for these. Or are they "forgotten" for a reason?
As far as I can tell, this is the first opportunity I’m going to have to seem them at all and definitely the first time that won’t be a VHS dupe. So I’ll have to get back to you on them but the set has my strong interest.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon May 18, 2020 6:41 pm

Rock wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:32 pm
Is The Amityville Horror the lamest horror movie that's considered a classic? I watched it for the first time in over ten years, and all the exciting stuff I remembered (the bleeding walls, James Brolin raving like a lunatic, thunder and lightning) is in the last ten minutes. The hour and fifty minutes before that is devoted to taking the most mundane possible avenues to generate "scares", like disappearing catering fees, flu-like symptoms, clogged toilets and the like. What the movie considers "scary" is frequently so banal that it accidentally slides into ambiguity. Can the house really be haunted if the mysterious occurrences are this unimpressive? For large portions the movie depends on its autumnal vibe (halfway pleasing) and Brolin's performance (strained at best) to evoke any semblance of horror, but the limp approach arguably helps the climax land harder. Given how ineffective large stretches of the movie are, I'm honestly a bit surprised at its cultural footprint, but perhaps audiences responded to the fact that the supernatural happenings feel more inconvenient than terrifying, and thus were much easier to relate to.
I believe it caught on because the “true story” (ya know, bullshit) had become very popular with the publication of the book. It was a high profile film and people were eager to see a “real” haunting.

But yeah. It’s not very good at all.

Tell Crummy how much better the Conjuring is.
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Rock wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:32 pm
Is The Amityville Horror the lamest horror movie that's considered a classic? I watched it for the first time in over ten years, and all the exciting stuff I remembered (the bleeding walls, James Brolin raving like a lunatic, thunder and lightning) is in the last ten minutes. The hour and fifty minutes before that is devoted to taking the most mundane possible avenues to generate "scares", like disappearing catering fees, flu-like symptoms, clogged toilets and the like. What the movie considers "scary" is frequently so banal that it accidentally slides into ambiguity. Can the house really be haunted if the mysterious occurrences are this unimpressive? For large portions the movie depends on its autumnal vibe (halfway pleasing) and Brolin's performance (strained at best) to evoke any semblance of horror, but the limp approach arguably helps the climax land harder. Given how ineffective large stretches of the movie are, I'm honestly a bit surprised at its cultural footprint, but perhaps audiences responded to the fact that the supernatural happenings feel more inconvenient than terrifying, and thus were much easier to relate to.
Oh, it's hilariously bad as a horror. My childhood memories don't even make sense now, considering how frightening I thought it was way back when. It's why I have adopted the attitude of it being a melodramatic telling of a 'supernatural' dissolution of a marriage, instead of going to it for the thrills anymore. It's banality is what I actually find interesting now, and the wall bleeding a distraction from the goods. ie. James Brolin standing around in a Speedo, shrieking at the walls and unable to pay wedding caterers.
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Post by crumbsroom » Mon May 18, 2020 6:46 pm

I think the title of my Amityville Horror write up a year or so ago sums it up - "AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE CHOPPING OF WOOD, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANY REASON TO BE FRIGHTENED"
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Post by crumbsroom » Mon May 18, 2020 6:50 pm

Title for an imaginary The Conjuring write up - "FORENSIC EVIDENCE OF HOW GOOD ARTISTS BORROW, GREAT ARTIST STEAL AND JAMES WAN WOULD PREFER YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE"
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Post by Wooley » Mon May 18, 2020 7:37 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 6:41 pm
I believe it caught on because the “true story” (ya know, bullshit) had become very popular with the publication of the book. It was a high profile film and people were eager to see a “real” haunting.

But yeah. It’s not very good at all.

Tell Crummy how much better the Conjuring is.
I think that's it exactly, I remember that was a big part of the appeal to my parents when it came out and they thought it was super-scary. Kind of a Blair Witch kinda thing.
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Post by Takoma1 » Mon May 18, 2020 8:09 pm

Rock wrote:
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like disappearing catering fees
I know that this site isn't moderated with the strongest hand, but if you're going to post content like this can you please give a content warning first? Thanks.
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crumbsroom wrote:
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James Brolin standing around in a Speedo
I think you're remembering a more interesting movie than it actually is, as he wears briefs (aka "tighty whities"), not a speedo.

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Honestly, I was watching Amityville IV: The Evil Escapes yesterday, and as dumbassed as that movie is, it's weird that it seems more committed to its (hilariously nonthreatening) scares than the original is.
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Rock wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:36 pm
I think you're remembering a more interesting movie than it actually is, as he wears briefs (aka "tighty whities"), not a speedo.

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What is important is that whatever spirits have taken over his home, have also hidden his pants.
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Takoma1 wrote:
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I know that this site isn't moderated with the strongest hand, but if you're going to post content like this can you please give a content warning first? Thanks.
Sorry Tak, but between this and the picture of James Brolin in his underpants, this thread is no longer safe for work.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue May 19, 2020 12:40 am

DUST DEVIL suffered from an extraordinarily poor presentation of being both panned and scanned and cut down to 85 mins by the Weinsteins. It was a nice blend of supernatural giallo, spaghetti western and acid western if not entirely successful at making those pieces fit (though whose to say the incredibly OOP wide screen director’s cut wouldn’t fix this?)

I can’t rank it as highly as I want as it’s a mess but the flick has personality and I enjoyed it.
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Post by Rock » Tue May 19, 2020 1:35 am

I don't know if the director's cut is any less incongruous (I haven't seen the Weinstein cut so I can't compare), but given that the movie's strengths lie in the imagery and the unusual rhythms with which it delivers its story, I suspect your opinion would improve at least somewhat.
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Post by Torgo » Tue May 19, 2020 1:48 am

After finally watching Stir of Echoes, also known as that other 1999 movie about a child who can see dead people, it's not hard to see why The Sixth Sense eclipsed it. Its story about what happens when people try to build a family or a community on a shaky foundation is, conversely, a solid one. Even so, the movie proves that a strong base cannot make up for middling execution. The way Tom's obsession plays out is very reminiscent of how the ones in Close Encounters of the Third Kind and The Shining play out, and while there's something to be said about wearing your influences on your sleeve, there's little to say when the results are not much more than pale imitations. Speaking of The Shining, as great as Jack Nicholson is in it, even he does not completely steer clear of unintentional comedy (let's face it, acting obsessed is not easy). Kevin Bacon as Tom fares worse in this regard, but to be fair, it does not help that his quest's associated special effects would have looked dated in 1996. As for Jake, there's a reason why nobody quotes him like people still quote The Sixth Sense's Cole. Besides the obvious reason that he has no memorable lines, Jake comes across more like a plot device than a character. Like I said, the story - despite the execution - is clever and thought-provoking and there are some entertaining performances here and there, most notably workhorse character actor Kevin Dunn's as Tom's pal Frank and Ileana Douglas's as the unfortunately underused Lisa. Regardless, none of that is enough for it to beat the movie that also beat it to theaters by a month.
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Sorry Tak, but between this and the picture of James Brolin in his underpants, this thread is no longer safe for work.
I had to Zoom with HR today because they found Brolin in my Chrome history.

They wanted more pictures.
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Tue May 19, 2020 1:35 am
I don't know if the director's cut is any less incongruous (I haven't seen the Weinstein cut so I can't compare), but given that the movie's strengths lie in the imagery and the unusual rhythms with which it delivers its story, I suspect your opinion would improve at least somewhat.
Even with the ugly transfer and pan & scan, I found many of the visuals most intriguing. How’d you get your hands on the DC?
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I'm not sure why you "wouldn't go for" a story featuring domestic abuse or a domestic abuse victim as a protagonist. If it's because you have personal experience with it, then you might find some of the sequences upsetting.
That's not what I meant at all, I meant that I don't like stories that wallow in what is often real-world misery, say, exploitation movies. When it comes to violence in movies, I prefer when it strongly ties to a theme or an idea, or presents it in a less graphical manner when we don't need to see hours of people being beaten or tortured. I personally have no close experience with abuse or any of that, but there's plenty of horrible things and people in the real world, and I don't watch movies to see someone's imaginary horrible people showing us how horrible they are. Also why I vastly prefer monster movies to horror thrillers.

(Not sure if this paragraph comes off as hostile, but it's not meant to.)
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Post by Takoma1 » Tue May 19, 2020 2:50 am

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That's not what I meant at all, I meant that I don't like stories that wallow in what is often real-world misery, say, exploitation movies. When it comes to violence in movies, I prefer when it strongly ties to a theme or an idea, or presents it in a less graphical manner when we don't need to see hours of people being beaten or tortured. I personally have no close experience with abuse or any of that, but there's plenty of horrible things and people in the real world, and I don't watch movies to see someone's imaginary horrible people showing us how horrible they are. Also why I vastly prefer monster movies to horror thrillers.

(Not sure if this paragraph comes off as hostile, but it's not meant to.)
Not hostile at all. I understand what you mean. I also do not enjoy torture/violence/misery just for the sake of it. I wanted to clarify because some people avoid certain scenarios in movies for personal reasons and if domestic violence was a sensitive topic for someone, I probably would strongly caution them about the content of the film.

I think that The Invisible Man is very intentional with its use of violence. And I think that its real interest is in generating suspense. The film forces you to question in almost every scene whether that empty chair or empty corner is really empty. I'm a big fan of horror movies that put the main character in a position where I genuinely don't know what I'd do if I were them, and The Invisible Man gets there at several points.

The violence in the film, and specifically the violence toward the main character, is (in my opinion, of course) very thematically relevant and it tracks with what we know about the villain. I'll concede that the film skews much more toward "horror thriller" than "monster movie", but I think it's really good and it's an easy recommendation to make.
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Post by crumbsroom » Tue May 19, 2020 5:14 am

I watched a really dreadful copy of The Final Terror. I found it a way above average low budget horror film, and it made me want to see a cleaned up version that didn't look like a horse dump.
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I watched a really dreadful copy of The Final Terror. I found it a way above average low budget horror film, and it made me want to see a cleaned up version that didn't look like a horse dump.
How was it way above average?
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Even with the ugly transfer and pan & scan, I found many of the visuals most intriguing. How’d you get your hands on the DC?
Rental. The video store I frequent(ed) had a copy.
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Post by crumbsroom » Tue May 19, 2020 1:35 pm

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How was it way above average?
Well, way above average in the sense of it being compared to like minded films. I wouldn't put it above any canonized horror film. It is pretty meat and potatoes when it comes to its story and his style. It just presents the facts of campers in a wood, being picked off one after the other. But it manages to inject a slow sense of unease as it goes along, as we catch glimpses of what is stalking them. The movie keeps us off balance with these little moments where we aren't entirely sure what we've seen. There is something about the mixture of a competent survivalist slasher being pecked at by the edges by something that feels unearthly and out of place. There is something creepy about the film, and I imagine if I had seen it when I was younger and more susceptible to scares, it may have been a horror film that stuck with me.

It is one of the reasons I would like to see a better copy. That could be either a good or bad thing for my overall impression of it. It's possible that seeing better could undo this element that I liked by defining the threat that's out in the woods with too much clarity. But it could also make the more sludgy scenes pop with some more style by letting me actually see what was happening in the stretches of the film where it's hard to tell what is going on.
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Post by Rock » Tue May 19, 2020 2:29 pm

It's on TubiTV with a decent transfer, if you're interested in revisiting it. That's how I watched it.
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Post by crumbsroom » Tue May 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Rock wrote:
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It's on TubiTV with a decent transfer, if you're interested in revisiting it. That's how I watched it.
Shit, that's way better than what I was looking at.
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Post by DaMU » Tue May 19, 2020 7:07 pm

The '90s horror jamboree is almost over, I think. Still want to try Tesis and Dust Devil and rewatch In Dreams (which I didn't care for back in the day).

Best new views have been Ravenous, Memento Mori, and Tales From the Hood, while I enjoyed (enough to recommend) No Telling, The Relic, Def By Temptation, The Pit and the Pendulum, Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh, and Nadja.

Rewatches of Candyman and Tremors confirm that, yes, they still slap.
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Post by Takoma1 » Tue May 19, 2020 7:09 pm

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The '90s horror jamboree is almost over, I think. Still want to try Tesis and Dust Devil
I'm a fan of both of these. I'm not sure that either of them is a perfect, coherent whole, but they each have some really powerful moments.
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Post by Rock » Tue May 19, 2020 9:09 pm

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I'm a fan of both of these. I'm not sure that either of them is a perfect, coherent whole, but they each have some really powerful moments.
Yeah, but do they slap? I think that's what DaMU is asking.
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Re: Horrorcram XV: Let's Scare Corrierino To Death

Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue May 19, 2020 9:30 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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Shit, that's way better than what I was looking at.
It’s also on Prime.

I suspect it won’t improve your experience.
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Re: Horrorcram XV: Let's Scare Corrierino To Death

Post by DaMU » Tue May 19, 2020 9:59 pm

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Yeah, but do they slap? I think that's what DaMU is asking.
These movies need to (a) slap, (b) be straight 🔥 (c) leave me no choice but to stan.
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Re: Horrorcram XV: Let's Scare Corrierino To Death

Post by Rock » Tue May 19, 2020 10:10 pm

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These movies need to (a) slap, (b) be straight 🔥 (c) leave me no choice but to stan.
Given that we're on the internet, I'm going to interpret "straight 🔥" as vaguely homophobic and cancel you accordingly.
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Re: Horrorcram XV: Let's Scare Corrierino To Death

Post by DaMU » Tue May 19, 2020 10:41 pm

Rock wrote:
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Given that we're on the internet, I'm going to interpret "straight 🔥" as vaguely homophobic and cancel you accordingly.
You can't cancel me, I'm too busy canceling Al Jolson.
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