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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 12:00 am

Apex Predator wrote:
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I'm on board Team Baby Driver except for the last half hour which reminded me too much...of Madea Goes to Jail.
I don’t just want but need elaboration on this and am off to order Madea Goes to Jail.
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Post by Apex Predator » Fri May 22, 2020 12:07 am

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I don’t just want but need elaboration on this and am off to order Madea Goes to Jail.
It does get a bit heavy with the spoiler, but here we go.
The part that reminded me of Madea Goes to Jail is the section where everyone (from Whoopi Goldberg from the View on down) were arguing to #FreeMadea from her prison sentence she received at the start of the film (which was determined by the judge from the time on the clock!)

In Baby Driver, this took place in the trial where everyone from his girlfriend/waitress to his adoptive father to people affected by his crimes go to bat for his innocence. Doesn't work out (I guess 25 years wasn't in their plans), but I think he gets out on parole within 5?
Anyway, I'd argue this needed another car sequence or two because the film was much less fleet on foot.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 12:14 am

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It does get a bit heavy with the spoiler, but here we go.
The part that reminded me of Madea Goes to Jail is the section where everyone (from Whoopi Goldberg from the View on down) were arguing to #FreeMadea from her prison sentence she received at the start of the film (which was determined by the judge from the time on the clock!)

In Baby Driver, this took place in the trial where everyone from his girlfriend/waitress to his adoptive father to people affected by his crimes go to bat for his innocence. Doesn't work out (I guess 25 years wasn't in their plans), but I think he gets out on parole within 5?
Anyway, I'd argue this needed another car sequence or two because the film was much less fleet on foot.

Ahhh! Yes. That piece of hokum. I wish I could think of what classic film started the trope (if only there were a website dedicated to such a thing) but Eastwood's
The Mule
had a similarly cringey deployment of the concept. Apologies if that constitutes a spoiler by clicking but... The film is bad and based on a true story.
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Post by Apex Predator » Fri May 22, 2020 12:24 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 12:14 am
Ahhh! Yes. That piece of hokum. I wish I could think of what classic film started the trope (if only there were a website dedicated to such a thing) but Eastwood's
The Mule
had a similarly cringey deployment of the concept. Apologies if that constitutes a spoiler by clicking but... The film is bad and based on a true story.
Luckily, I wasn't planning on seeing that one anytime soon...Paint Your Wagon may be more likely.

The reviews I've seen were all over the map, though.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 12:35 am

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Luckily, I wasn't planning on seeing that one anytime soon...Paint Your Wagon may be more likely.

The reviews I've seen were all over the map, though.
The trailer for it is a mini-masterpiece. The film itself is a narrative trainwreck of all of Clint's worst impulses as a director and human being. It is still functional and solidly crafted (unlike 15:17 to Paris, which is among the worst wide release films I've seen that feels more like Kirk Cameron than Eastwood) but its best watched with low expectations and/or alcohol.

That said, I think Cahier Du Cinema liked it?
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Post by Takoma1 » Fri May 22, 2020 12:47 am

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Luckily, I wasn't planning on seeing that one anytime soon...Paint Your Wagon may be more likely.
I've seen Paint Your Wagon TWICE because my college volleyball coach made us watch it on long bus trips. Looking back, why was throwing myself out the window not an option? Hmm. I actually have visceral memories of trying to do typology assignments while Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood warble on a tiny TV set.
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Post by Ergill » Fri May 22, 2020 12:58 am

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I agree with all of this fwiw. Tho the axe falls down for me way nearer Crumbs' point of view, so I'm just batting on the side of that. A technician and an artist are on different creative wavelengths but the eternal question is whether these things always have some semblance of intersecting constantly. And how to define craft even? Where does the avant-garde fall into this question when the craft is not standardised?
I don't necessarily oppose them. When you put the opposition like that, you make me think of Tim's Vermeer, which documents a misbegotten project based on the assumption that the only way to prove the technical contribution to art is to try to prove that a masterpiece can be recreated by a novice purely through technical bootstrapping. He wants to prove that Vermeer could've just been a brilliant technician. It's sort of crazy and fun and maybe doesn't prove anything of value, but is fodder for the kinds of questions you're asking.

Anyone can make art however the they want, but art is a practice and a tradition, and it has a bunch of paradigms which typically require some technical skill to pull off. They're sort of the main road that sets the general idea of what art is and what kind of standards we have in mind when making it. The technical side is part what makes art, art in these cases. Kubrick's ingenious uses of lenses in Barry Lyndon would get one of those old-timey pointy hands here. You can't factor out the technical and the artistic side there. The technical isn't the only ingredient though, and I'm not even up to trying listing the possible ingredients. That's probably as varied as people's evolving wants and interests. Some of the more interesting stuff are side roads and trails and gettings lost which go looking for different ideas and affects. Maybe they just throw either out the window. None of it is remotely systematic and it doesn't need to be. It's more a web of thoughts, feelings, values, and interests that we're constantly negotiating.

What I can remember of an old class, the historical avant-garde was about attacking artistic tradition: at the time that was Romanticism, Realism, decadence, "art for art's sake", individualism. And for all its irrationality, the earliest movements had an evangelical, polemical, conceptual bent, even when that concept was undermining conceptuality itself. They all had to have manifesto. Marienetti was probably the first to write one when he declared his group the Futurists (he was the only member). But manifestos mean precepts or at the very least some kind of project. It might differ from most mainstream projects in various ways, but it's creating a parallel paradigm, and the more of it people create and consume, the more we find inroads into it and ways of judging it. It's only with Dada that the avant-garde peaks out in purposefully contradictory irrationalism, and even then it's not JUST that. There are still ideas and sentiments. But by that point, you're gonna get a seriously mixed bag. You've got Duchamp signing a urinal and upending our sense of art in the industrial age on the one hand, and then you have a lot of completely nonsensical poetry on the other. That doesn't mean we can't evaluate it though. Just like them, we can do whatever the fuck we want.
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I should probably check him out.
He's really generous and low-key erudite. Of the ones I've read so far, I enjoyed The Revenant the best.
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Yes to all of this, especially when you get to the part of telling technical mastery to fuck off. That was the best part.
I've enjoyed a lot of stuff that's told technical mastery to fuck right off. There are mountains of shit I have no time for that did the same and can also go fuck right off.
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Which ultimately only matters if one cares that I think they’re worth their salt.

Which everyone clearly should, cuz look at me. I’m great.

But yeah. Keep being the voice of reason, Ergill.
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri May 22, 2020 1:21 am

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I've enjoyed a lot of stuff that's told technical mastery to fuck right off. There are mountains of shit I have no time for that did the same and can also go fuck right off
No doubt. Being that I believe the two greatest filmmakers of all time are Dreyer and Kubrick, I'm more than eager to embrace technical greatness. Being contradictory is only part of the fun of art appreciation and criticism.

I really only balk at the notion that anything is inherently a must for an artist. Nothing is necessary. I believe in instinct above all, and sometimes instinct has no time for getting one self all studied up. Some times that can even kill instinct in the process.

My only gripe with narrative or craft is really only born from how fervent believers in these are so plentiful, and can also frequently demand adherence to their particular philosophies in art. To which only then, being that I am a peaceful soul, am I forced to a respond with a fuck right off. You've already got your claws in everything. Give the freaks a place to play too. There is room for everybody.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 1:33 am

whoa, I didn't imply that artists need to adept at the technical craft elements of their art (unless that comment has nothing to do with me, Crummy, then carry on). I implied that I don't put weight into critical assessments that don't value craft. In other words, a film can be poorly made but good for other reasons but I can't get on board with a masterfully made film being bad.

I honestly can't think of a film I'd describe as exceptionally well made that I don't at least "like."

I would also wager that I think being competent with nothing creative may be the worst viewing experience of all.

I would also delineate a world of difference between "competent" and the high end crafting I'm referring to.
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Post by Ergill » Fri May 22, 2020 1:36 am

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No doubt. Being that I believe the two greatest filmmakers of all time are Dreyer and Kubrick, I'm more than eager to embrace technical greatness. Being contradictory is only part of the fun of art appreciation and criticism.

I really only balk at the notion that anything is inherently a must for an artist. Nothing is necessary. I believe in instinct above all, and sometimes instinct has no time for getting one self all studied up. Some times that can even kill instinct in the process.

My only gripe with narrative or craft is really only born from how fervent believers in these are so plentiful, and can also frequently demand adherence to their particular philosophies in art. To which only then, being that I am a peaceful soul, am I forced to a respond with a fuck right off. You've already got your claws in everything. Give the freaks a place to play too. There is room for everybody.
I don't think MKS is demanding that filmmakers do anything here. I doubt he has any specific demands in mind for you either outside of a distrust of hyperbole and a feeling that Wright deserves credit for being a technical wizard, which the dude is.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 1:42 am

Ergill wrote:
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I don't think MKS is demanding that filmmakers do anything here. I doubt he has any specific demands in mind for you either outside of a distrust of hyperbole and a feeling that Wright deserves credit for being a technical wizard, which the dude is.
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri May 22, 2020 1:46 am

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Unless that comment has nothing to do with me, Crummy, then carry on).
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 1:56 am

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It didn't
I'm am momentarily humbled but I warn you, it won't last the night.
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Post by Apex Predator » Fri May 22, 2020 2:41 am

Takoma1 wrote:
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I've seen Paint Your Wagon TWICE because my college volleyball coach made us watch it on long bus trips. Looking back, why was throwing myself out the window not an option? Hmm. I actually have visceral memories of trying to do typology assignments while Lee Marvin and Clint Eastwood warble on a tiny TV set.
Kind of hard to play volleyball when you went out the Interstate due to jumping out the window. :D

I think I know of one poster who loves it who lurks in Thief's thread. We'll see him/her show up when I review it (I think).
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri May 22, 2020 2:57 am

As a lover of musicals, westerns, Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef, I need to watch it. But it also sounds like "as a lover of chocolate, lobster, hot sauce and pineapple, I really need to eat that Fieri monstrosity."
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Post by Ergill » Fri May 22, 2020 3:00 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Fri May 22, 2020 2:57 am
As a lover of musicals, westerns, Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef, I need to watch it. But it also sounds like "as a lover of chocolate, lobster, hot sauce and pineapple, I really need to eat that Fieri monstrosity."
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Post by Takoma1 » Fri May 22, 2020 3:42 am

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As a lover of musicals, westerns, Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef, I need to watch it. But it also sounds like "as a lover of chocolate, lobster, hot sauce and pineapple, I really need to eat that Fieri monstrosity."
The worst thing about it is that it's . . . kind of unmemorable.

All I remember is a "comedy" bit where one of the men (Marvin's character, I think) tries to push his way into the bed of the wife that they purchased.

*Wife that they purchased*

Maybe I haven't forgotten it so much as repressed it.
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Post by Stu » Sat May 23, 2020 9:05 am

Fun fact; on the DVD commentary for this episode, the writers admitted that they didn't actually base this parody on anything that was actually in Paint Your Wagon, since, like most people, none of them had actually seen it:

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Post by Stu » Sat May 23, 2020 9:33 am

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Captain Terror's pot shot at Yngwie Malmsteen is my favourite thing to come of this discussion.
Mine too, even though I obviously disagree with him on his point.

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Post by crumbsroom » Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:37 pm

Los Olivados, Gertrud, The Mutilator, Tuff Turf, I'm No Longer Here, High and Low, Spione, Underworld.

Some movies I watched after ruining my computer, rendering my hot takes impotent.

I'm No Longer Here may have been the best.

Tuff Turf was undoubtedly the worst. Even though not even really amusing bad though, it was a compelling sprawl of bad film.

They were all better than Baby Driver.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:20 pm

Los Olvidados is excellent. Underworld is decent.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:44 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:37 pm
Tuff Turf was undoubtedly the worst. Even though not even really amusing bad though, it was a compelling sprawl of bad film.
Pistols at dawn, motherfucker.
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Post by crumbsroom » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:17 pm

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:20 pm
Los Olvidados is excellent. Underworld is decent.
FTR I'm not talking about that dumb Kate Beckinsale movie...which I haven't watched because soooo not my thing.
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Post by crumbsroom » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:18 pm

Wooley wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:44 pm
Pistols at dawn, motherfucker.
I only watched this because it kept showing up as a recommendation on Youtube. And for some reason I didn't turn it off after I clicked on it.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:34 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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FTR I'm not talking about that dumb Kate Beckinsale movie...which I haven't watched because soooo not my thing.
Oh, haven't seen it then. Overall, I don't care much for the Underworld films (though, I haven't seen the fifth one). With the first one, it's occasionally engaging, occasionally silly spirit was still fresh for me, so I responded to it decently enough. The other ones just felt like aping the same beats and left lesser impacts on me. You're not missing much.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:47 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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I only watched this because it kept showing up as a recommendation on Youtube. And for some reason I didn't turn it off after I clicked on it.
No accounting for taste, I guess.
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Post by crumbsroom » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:38 pm

Everything lovely and awful about Shot on Video horror films exists in the netherworld that is this film



I rejoice.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:18 am

The only “THE APPLE” I’ll acknowledge is directed by Menahem Golan, thank you very much.
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 pm

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The only “THE APPLE” I’ll acknowledge is directed by Menahem Golan, thank you very much.
I'm just putting on everything in my collection that I come across that I've neglected watching for years. Seems like the good time because god knows when I'll be working again. Apple has been here for years and it is an entirely different beast than the musical, if that isn't obvious from the poster. The music is great fun, but this movie is a gem. Up there with Where Is the Friends House as one of the best Iranian films I've ever seen. The notion of casting real life people from a story in the news to play themselves, while the story is still unfolding, is some bold shit to attempt. And to have it turn out as incredibly as this...nice!

More in your wheelhouse, I found the giallo Death Walks at Midnight in my pile of neglected films last night. I've come across a lot of real dog giallo's over the last year, and it was nice to watch a really engaging one.

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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:09 pm

The director of the Apple seems to be a bit of an Iranian Sophia Coppola, following in her father’s) (and mother’s) directing footsteps. I’m curious about it just based on that, though Golan’s the Apple is certainty going to be the superior film.

I dig Ercoli a lot. Both Death Walks films are well worth seeing and Midnight is the strongest of the two. Have you seen Forbidden Photos of a Lady Above Suspicion? It's among the classiest of gialli.
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I dig Ercoli a lot. Both Death Walks films are well worth seeing and Midnight is the strongest of the two. Have you seen Forbidden Photos of a Lady Above Suspicion? It's among the classiest of gialli.
I get the Giallo's all mixed up, so I'm not 100 percent sure what one it is, but I've definitely seen it.

Does it have a climactic scene where there is some kind of chase on the top of a train in a tunnel or something. Whatever that movie was reminded me of the style of Death Walks, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same director.
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I don't know what thread this belongs in, so I might as well put it here. I just needed a space to articulate my enormous distaste for Bert Kreischer. Please tell me I'm not the only one.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:29 pm

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I get the Giallo's all mixed up, so I'm not 100 percent sure what one it is, but I've definitely seen it.

Does it have a climactic scene where there is some kind of chase on the top of a train in a tunnel or something. Whatever that movie was reminded me of the style of Death Walks, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they were the same director.
No, this one is much more low-key than that. I'm trying to recall if I've seen one that climaxes with a Chase atop a train now... I don't think I have but I'm intrigued.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:35 pm

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No, this one is much more low-key than that. I'm trying to recall if I've seen one that climaxes with a Chase atop a train now... I don't think I have but I'm intrigued.
I would know what it is if I didn't fry my computer last month. This movie had one of the unanswered still from my guessing thread. I think it was a fat guy with either a gun to his head or a telephone cord wrapped around his neck. All the answers were on that laptop though.

And I guess now we'll never know.

I was sure it was that though.

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Post by Captain Terror » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:50 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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I don't know what thread this belongs in, so I might as well put it here. I just needed a space to articulate my enormous distaste for Bert Kreischer. Please tell me I'm not the only one.
I got your back, buddy. The appeal escapes me.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:57 pm

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I got your back, buddy. The appeal escapes me.
When did ignorant, obnoxious, unfunny and painfully insecure become a tantalizing mix?

It probably doesn't help that I've probably provoked a half dozen Bert Kreischers into punching me in the face over the years, so I'm biased. But for good reason, dammit!
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Post by Captain Terror » Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:21 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
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When did ignorant, obnoxious, unfunny and painfully insecure become a tantalizing mix?

It probably doesn't help that I've probably provoked a half dozen Bert Kreischers into punching me in the face over the years, so I'm biased. But for good reason, dammit!
In a recent attempt to "get it", I looked up what appears to be his most popular bit, called "The Machine". If that's his best, then I'm comfortable in my decision to look into him no further.

I also came across his podcast on Youtube, because I was interested in his guest. He conducted the entire interview sitting barefoot on a couch literally picking at his toenails as he talked. Seriously, dude?
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In a recent attempt to "get it", I looked up what appears to be his most popular bit, called "The Machine". If that's his best, then I'm comfortable in my decision to look into him no further.

I also came across his podcast on Youtube, because I was interested in his guest. He conducted the entire interview sitting barefoot on a couch literally picking at his toenails as he talked. Seriously, dude?
Be assured, there is nothing 'to get'. He is a self appointed 'lifestyle comic'. He is no wit, probably isn't interested in being one. He embodies something who watch him. I think the word is 'partying'. People who party watch him take off his shirt. And pick his toes. And stand around looking confused with his droopy lips and blank eyes.

I became aware of him because of his Machine routine. It's a good story, if you choose to believe it. And if you choose to want to listen to him. And somehow he's parlayed an entire career out of it.

I'm a fan of Tom Segura, and because of this, I keep having to listen to him. They co host a pod cast and they are clearly good friends. I actually enjoy the back and forth between them because Segura clearly thinks of Kreischer as some kind of gross, unhygenic boy-child alien. Me too. But , unlike Segura, not in a good way. Their last podcast was the final straw. The fucking guy just kept sucking his fingers after eating donuts into a mic. There is no forgiveness after something like that.

Can't. Stand. Him.
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Post by Macrology » Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:16 pm

Makhmalbaf's The Apple is excellent. I attended the Midnight Sun Film Fest in Finland many years ago, and she was one of the guest filmmakers. Haven't seen any of her work since then. I probably should. I've been catching up with her father's, at least.

The Franju flick is quite fun. It doesn't compare to his best work, which is on another plane, but I think it has much more humble goals from the outset.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:39 pm

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No, this one is much more low-key than that. I'm trying to recall if I've seen one that climaxes with a Chase atop a train now... I don't think I have but I'm intrigued.
I think it was Suspicious Death of a Minor
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:57 pm

Macrology wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:16 pm
Makhmalbaf's The Apple is excellent. I attended the Midnight Sun Film Fest in Finland many years ago, and she was one of the guest filmmakers. Haven't seen any of her work since then. I probably should. I've been catching up with her father's, at least.

The Franju flick is quite fun. It doesn't compare to his best work, which is on another plane, but I think it has much more humble goals from the outset.
I've had The Apple lying around for years and knew nothing of it. A pleasant surprise.

The other two Franjus I've seen are much better. As said this one is a deliberately minor work. But enjoyable enough. Worth finding for fans of him.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:43 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:39 pm
I think it was Suspicious Death of a Minor
I believe that one takes place atop a stadium with a roof that opens up and not a train... But I may be forgetting something that happens after that scene.
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ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:43 am
I believe that one takes place atop a stadium with a roof that opens up and not a train... But I may be forgetting something that happens after that scene.
You could be correct. I was pretty sure there was a tunnel or a scene where they transition from light into dark during the climax, which made me think train, even though I didn't feel that was right

I figured it had to be one you'd seen though.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:18 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:08 am
You could be correct. I was pretty sure there was a tunnel or a scene where they transition from light into dark during the climax, which made me think train, even though I didn't feel that was right

I figured it had to be one you'd seen though.
I know there's definitely a chase that precedes it but can't recall if it starts in the dark. It definitely ends during the day. SDOAM is one of the weaker Martino gialli (it's better than the Case of the Scorpion's Tail but I think that's it) and I had the misfortune of watching it shortly after What Have They Done to Your Daughters, which similarly blended giallo and poliziottesco together to much better effect.

I'm just rambling now. I'm going to become Lovesexy at some point.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:25 am

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:18 am
I know there's definitely a chase that precedes it but can't recall if it starts in the dark. It definitely ends during the day. SDOAM is one of the weaker Martino gialli (it's better than the Case of the Scorpion's Tail but I think that's it) and I had the misfortune of watching it shortly after What Have They Done to Your Daughters, which similarly blended giallo and poliziottesco together to much better effect.

I'm just rambling now. I'm going to become Lovesexy at some point.
Scorpions Tail is very dull. I liked this one a lot though, even if the horror elements were really muted. Don't know Daughters at all....never even heard of it until now....
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:28 am

Looking at Martino's filmography.


I remember All the Colors of the Dark being a disappointment. It was alright, but I had high expectations for it.

I knew nothing about Minor, which is always helpful with me. I am a fan of ignorance.

The other handful I've seen were all really good.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:46 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:28 am
Looking at Martino's filmography.


I remember All the Colors of the Dark being a disappointment. It was alright, but I had high expectations for it.

I knew nothing about Minor, which is always helpful with me. I am a fan of ignorance.

The other handful I've seen were all really good.
I'm a big fan of ATCOTD as it has Fenech (instant positive reaction) but I also really enjoy gialli that implement cult or secret societies in to the pedigree. It keeps them from growing dull after countless transsexuals, lesbians and priests hacking through everyone.

I'd put Martino as my favorite Italian horror director just after the big 3 (Bava, Argento, Fulci), though Soavi may overtake him when I finally watch Cemetery Man.

His gialli ranked:

Torso
Your Vice Is a Locked Room and Only I Have the Key
All the Colors of the Dark
The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh
Suspicious Death of a Minor
Case of the Scorpion's Tail

I at least like them all but I LOVE the first four with Torso being an absolute top horror film to me.

Dallamano, who made WHTDTYD isn't nearly as prolific and is more known for What Have You Done To Solange (a solid film but a typical entry). I hope you give it a shot as it's like he really distilled the best elements of each Italian genre and combined them in a peanut butter chocolate level matching.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:35 am

I think Ercoli must have been quite an influence on Brian De Palma. I have no evience for this other than, surely he must have been.

I like those Martino films as well, but I think Mountain of the Cannibal God is enough to put him out of the top five running. Great Ursula Andress, but dumb dumb movie.
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