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Post by DaMU » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:39 am

I regret my anger at Batman and Robin. I was 14 and in that zone where the more grim and gritty stuff is the more adult stuff and therefore the mature stuff. Basically that Arrested Development "We demand to be taken seriously" meme. Nowadays, it's more "I don't think the film works but respect its goofy Silver Age ambitions."

Batman Forever is an interesting in-between effort. I respect it for trying more than any other film in the first four to unpack Bruce (via the journal element, his relationship with Robin, and his Big Choice at the end), even if the story's overshadowed by Riddler and his weak-ass doppelganger Two-Face (disappointment then, disappointment now).
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Re: Obituaries

Post by Stu » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:31 am

DaMU wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:39 am
Batman Forever is an interesting in-between effort. I respect it for trying more than any other film in the first four to unpack Bruce (via the journal element, his relationship with Robin, and his Big Choice at the end), even if the story's overshadowed by Riddler and his weak-ass doppelganger Two-Face (disappointment then, disappointment now).
Eh, I think Batman Returns, besides just being a more enjoyable movie on a stylistic level, when comparing Burton in full-on Gothic mode to Schumacher's relentless, Day-Glo camp (no offense to the memory of the man himself, of course; rest in peace!), also developed Bruce to a welcome, under-appreciated degree, maybe not in a direct manner, but somewhat by proxy, through his romance with Selina Kyle, and the way that the same thing that attracts the two of them together in the first place (their dual personalities) is the same reason they can never live happily ever after in the end. Plus, it's just fun to watch the two of them fall in love when they're in their everyday personas in one scene, and then immediately start fighting once they're in costume; like A.A. Dowd said in his rundown on the original Warner Bros. Batmans, it makes Returns feel a bit like The Batshop Around The Corner at times:

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Re: Obituaries

Post by Rock » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:17 pm

DaMU wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:39 am
I regret my anger at Batman and Robin. I was 14 and in that zone where the more grim and gritty stuff is the more adult stuff and therefore the mature stuff. Basically that Arrested Development "We demand to be taken seriously" meme. Nowadays, it's more "I don't think the film works but respect its goofy Silver Age ambitions."
I've revisited the movie a bunch of times over the years and where I pretty much always land is that the movie is aiming for something that's at least a little bit shrill by design, so when it misses the mark by even a little bit, it tips over very easily into being unwatchable. Sure, it's not necessarily that incompetently executed (I think Thurman's performance hits the right notes), but that doesn't make it any less unpleasant to sit through.
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Post by topherH » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:32 pm

I despised it less the last time I watched it if that means anything. I got that MR. freeze is nothing more than a "one liner joke" about Arnold's career of saying one liners. I think there may have been some attempt at Clooney's musings about what it is to be a leader I guess. But no, I really still don't like it, in a bad or good way.
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Post by Thief » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:58 pm

Even though I was 20 at the time, I never saw it. I've only seen the last half hour or so, when I caught it on TV several years ago and it was bad, but in a hilarious way, I guess. Maybe if I see it from the start, it might warm me up to the overall tone? No? Ok.


But anyway, re: Schumacher, I think that flaws and all, he did a great job with films like A Time to Kill, Phone Booth, and The Client. There are a bunch other films of his that I haven't seen in decades, but I remember liking a lot or at least enjoying to a certain level (The Lost Boys, Flatliners) The man was no hack.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:52 pm

Joel Schumacher is aware you all think Batman and Robin sucks and he is sorry


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Post by The Nameless Two » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:03 pm

I think I like Batman & Robin strictly because I am attracted to self-awareness. It's... overwhelmingly self-aware to the point of degradation, but self-aware nonetheless. The jokes work until they don't, it's a fun opening 15 minutes before your brain wears down to shit. That all being said, the gaudy 90s aesthetic will always remain true in my heart, and it's a prime example of how much fun the contrast between the 80s and 90s are
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Re: Obituaries

Post by John Dumbear » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:28 pm

Never bothered to watch Batman & Robin, solely because of what I've read on forums. That many people can't be wrong. My fave of his was Falling Down.
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Post by Death Proof » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:35 pm

The Lost Boys has a special place in my heart. I also remember seeing The Wiz in the theater when I was a kid and loving it.
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Post by topherH » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:55 pm

John Dumbear wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:28 pm
My fave of his was Falling Down.
Finally saw this last year and was entertained. Would recommend.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:09 pm

John Dumbear wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:28 pm
Never bothered to watch Batman & Robin, solely because of what I've read on forums. That many people can't be wrong. My fave of his was Falling Down.
I love, defend and even fan edited B&R.

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Post by MrCarmady » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 pm

Carl Reiner :(
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Post by John Dumbear » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:37 pm

MrCarmady wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 pm
Carl Reiner :(
Reiner & Brooks "2000 year old man" bit was a stitch.

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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:22 am

Ennio Morricone passed away.
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Post by topherH » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:43 am

I suppose they'll say he's no John Williams but I'll have quite a few tunes to remember him by.

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Post by MrCarmady » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:53 am

Greatest film composer of all time, RIP.
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Re: Obituaries

Post by Death Proof » Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:17 pm

Ain't no grave gonna hold this body down
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:13 pm

A fabulous film composer for sure. One of, if not, the best ever.
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Post by DaMU » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:45 pm



He's a peer to Williams, one of the all-timers. Also, they were friends. He hugged Williams and name-checked him in the thank-you's after winning for Hateful, and he won that after already having an honorary Oscar. Fucking king.

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Re: Obituaries

Post by John Dumbear » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm

I guess Charlie Daneils finally gets his answer, if the devil really did go down to Georgia.
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Post by topherH » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:55 pm

John Dumbear wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm
I guess Charlie Daneils finally gets his answer, if the devil really did go down to Georgia.
He better not go at night, there's things out there
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