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Post by DaMU » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:39 am

I regret my anger at Batman and Robin. I was 14 and in that zone where the more grim and gritty stuff is the more adult stuff and therefore the mature stuff. Basically that Arrested Development "We demand to be taken seriously" meme. Nowadays, it's more "I don't think the film works but respect its goofy Silver Age ambitions."

Batman Forever is an interesting in-between effort. I respect it for trying more than any other film in the first four to unpack Bruce (via the journal element, his relationship with Robin, and his Big Choice at the end), even if the story's overshadowed by Riddler and his weak-ass doppelganger Two-Face (disappointment then, disappointment now).
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DaMU wrote:
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Batman Forever is an interesting in-between effort. I respect it for trying more than any other film in the first four to unpack Bruce (via the journal element, his relationship with Robin, and his Big Choice at the end), even if the story's overshadowed by Riddler and his weak-ass doppelganger Two-Face (disappointment then, disappointment now).
Eh, I think Batman Returns, besides just being a more enjoyable movie on a stylistic level, when comparing Burton in full-on Gothic mode to Schumacher's relentless, Day-Glo camp (no offense to the memory of the man himself, of course; rest in peace!), also developed Bruce to a welcome, under-appreciated degree, maybe not in a direct manner, but somewhat by proxy, through his romance with Selina Kyle, and the way that the same thing that attracts the two of them together in the first place (their dual personalities) is the same reason they can never live happily ever after in the end. Plus, it's just fun to watch the two of them fall in love when they're in their everyday personas in one scene, and then immediately start fighting once they're in costume; like A.A. Dowd said in his rundown on the original Warner Bros. Batmans, it makes Returns feel a bit like The Batshop Around The Corner at times:

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I regret my anger at Batman and Robin. I was 14 and in that zone where the more grim and gritty stuff is the more adult stuff and therefore the mature stuff. Basically that Arrested Development "We demand to be taken seriously" meme. Nowadays, it's more "I don't think the film works but respect its goofy Silver Age ambitions."
I've revisited the movie a bunch of times over the years and where I pretty much always land is that the movie is aiming for something that's at least a little bit shrill by design, so when it misses the mark by even a little bit, it tips over very easily into being unwatchable. Sure, it's not necessarily that incompetently executed (I think Thurman's performance hits the right notes), but that doesn't make it any less unpleasant to sit through.
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Post by topherH » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:32 pm

I despised it less the last time I watched it if that means anything. I got that MR. freeze is nothing more than a "one liner joke" about Arnold's career of saying one liners. I think there may have been some attempt at Clooney's musings about what it is to be a leader I guess. But no, I really still don't like it, in a bad or good way.
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Post by Thief » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:58 pm

Even though I was 20 at the time, I never saw it. I've only seen the last half hour or so, when I caught it on TV several years ago and it was bad, but in a hilarious way, I guess. Maybe if I see it from the start, it might warm me up to the overall tone? No? Ok.


But anyway, re: Schumacher, I think that flaws and all, he did a great job with films like A Time to Kill, Phone Booth, and The Client. There are a bunch other films of his that I haven't seen in decades, but I remember liking a lot or at least enjoying to a certain level (The Lost Boys, Flatliners) The man was no hack.
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Joel Schumacher is aware you all think Batman and Robin sucks and he is sorry


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Post by The Nameless Two » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:03 pm

I think I like Batman & Robin strictly because I am attracted to self-awareness. It's... overwhelmingly self-aware to the point of degradation, but self-aware nonetheless. The jokes work until they don't, it's a fun opening 15 minutes before your brain wears down to shit. That all being said, the gaudy 90s aesthetic will always remain true in my heart, and it's a prime example of how much fun the contrast between the 80s and 90s are
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Post by John Dumbear » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:28 pm

Never bothered to watch Batman & Robin, solely because of what I've read on forums. That many people can't be wrong. My fave of his was Falling Down.
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Post by Death Proof » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:35 pm

The Lost Boys has a special place in my heart. I also remember seeing The Wiz in the theater when I was a kid and loving it.
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Post by topherH » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:55 pm

John Dumbear wrote:
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My fave of his was Falling Down.
Finally saw this last year and was entertained. Would recommend.
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John Dumbear wrote:
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Never bothered to watch Batman & Robin, solely because of what I've read on forums. That many people can't be wrong. My fave of his was Falling Down.
I love, defend and even fan edited B&R.

That many people are wrong.
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Post by MrCarmady » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:24 pm

Carl Reiner :(
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Post by John Dumbear » Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:37 pm

MrCarmady wrote:
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Carl Reiner :(
Reiner & Brooks "2000 year old man" bit was a stitch.

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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:22 am

Ennio Morricone passed away.
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Post by topherH » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:43 am

I suppose they'll say he's no John Williams but I'll have quite a few tunes to remember him by.

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Post by MrCarmady » Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:53 am

Greatest film composer of all time, RIP.
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A fabulous film composer for sure. One of, if not, the best ever.
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He's a peer to Williams, one of the all-timers. Also, they were friends. He hugged Williams and name-checked him in the thank-you's after winning for Hateful, and he won that after already having an honorary Oscar. Fucking king.

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Post by John Dumbear » Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:49 pm

I guess Charlie Daneils finally gets his answer, if the devil really did go down to Georgia.
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John Dumbear wrote:
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I guess Charlie Daneils finally gets his answer, if the devil really did go down to Georgia.
He better not go at night, there's things out there
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:38 am

Kelly Preston died of breast cancer.
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Kelly Preston, age 57.

Preston was married to John Travolta and had three children, one of whom had died in 2009.

Preston had appeared in such films as SpaceCamp, Twins, Jerry Maguire and For Love of the Game. She spent two years battling breast cancer.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:02 am

Grant Imahara of Mythbusters dead at 49 of a brain aneurysm.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:19 pm

John Lewis

Brigid Berlin
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Post by DaMU » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:54 pm

The good die, and the evil sleep well.
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Post by Torgo » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:12 pm

R.I.P. I had the honor of meeting John Lewis and shaking his hand at a restaurant. Let's hope that he not only gets a statue, but that it replaces the statue of someone who's less deserving of one.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pm

Torgo wrote:
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R.I.P. I had the honor of meeting John Lewis and shaking his hand at a restaurant. Let's hope that he not only gets a statue, but that it replaces the statue of someone who's less deserving of one.
Even Brigid Berlin deserves a statue more than some you've got down there, and by most accounts, she was a sociopathic asshole.

But, yes, John Lewis is one of the few public figures I feel everyone should be humbled by.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:41 pm

I will do some reading today in John Lewis' honor. RIP
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Torgo wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:12 pm
Let's hope that he not only gets a statue, but that it replaces the statue of someone who's less deserving of one.
I'm also hoping on a restoration of the Voting Rights Act as well. if Trump, McConnell, etc. really want to honor Lewis's legacy.
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Post by Death Proof » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:25 am

Man, fuck you, 2020.

John Saxon - age 84

Also musician Peter Green and TV personality Regis Philbin.
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Post by John Dumbear » Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:34 am

Peter Greene...😔
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Death Proof wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:25 am
Man, fuck you, 2020.

John Saxon - age 84
aww man, I was hoping the AV Club would do a Random Roles feature with him. go look through his imdb and find me somebody he hadn't worked with, I dare ya.
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it is kinda the almost-end of an era. there are not many living actors from pre-50's Hollywood with a stature similar to Douglas's aside from Olivia de Havilland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _Hollywood
now it truly is the end of an era. RIP Olivia
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Post by DaMU » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:02 pm

I've seen Olivia in only a handful of roles, but an actress who can hold the screen against Errol Flynn in swashbucklers and also win nominations and awards for her dramatic work is an actress to be taken extremely seriously. Loved her in Captain Blood, Robin Hood, and The Snake Pit.
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:16 pm

My mom was an Errol Flynn fangirl so I grew up watching Olivia's movies. Feels like I'm losing a long-lost aunt. She's great in the swashbucklers but also the Westerns. To Each His Own will make you cry like a baby. My mom's favorite was always The Heiress.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:14 pm

Captain Terror wrote:
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Melanie Wilkes > Scarlett O'Hara
Yes. She's a far more interesting character than Scarlett. RIP, Ms. De Havilland.
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Herman Cain

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NYT wrote:Alan Parker, who was nominated for the best-director Oscar for the 1978 film “Midnight Express” and again 10 years later for “Mississippi Burning,” died on Friday in South London. He was 76.

His death followed a long, unspecified illness, a spokeswoman for the British Film Institute said.

Mr. Parker directed a number of other well-regarded films, working in a range of styles and genres. “Fame” (1980) was a musical about a performing arts high school in New York. “Birdy” (1984) was based on a William Wharton novel about a boy who had an erotic fascination with avian life. “Angel Heart” (1987) was a sexy noir that flirted with an X rating but ended up with an R. “Angela’s Ashes” (1999) was based on Frank McCourt’s popular autobiography.

Music underpinned some of Mr. Parker’s best-known work. His first feature film was the gangster satire “Bugsy Malone” in 1976, in which adolescents played the gangsters and Paul Williams songs punctuated the action. Two years after “Fame,” he directed “Pink Floyd: The Wall,” an imagery-filled story about a British rock star that was written by Roger Waters of the band Pink Floyd and based on the band’s album of the same name. In 1991 came “The Commitments,” a lighthearted tale about a band in Dublin. In 1996 he directed the film version of the stage musical “Evita,” with Madonna in the role of Eva Perón.

Madonna, he told The Mirror in 1996, wasn’t the easiest person to work with, but he found a way to get the best out of her.

“My secret was to let her moan to my assistants to get it out of her system so that by the time she stepped in front of the camera she was all complained out,” he said.

The performance won her a Golden Globe.

Alan William Parker was born on Feb. 14, 1944, in the Islington district of London. He started his career as a copywriter and then moved into making television commercials.

“The only way anybody would give me a chance to say ‘Action!’ and ‘Cut!’ was by doing commercials,” he told The New York Times in 1980. “That’s how I learned the craft. I’ve done ridiculous things, like re-create — frame by frame — ‘Brief Encounter’ for Birds Eye Dinner for One.”

That background, he said, gave him a certain disdain for the auteur theory of filmmaking, which holds that the director is the main creative force of a project.

“A film is never my film,” he said, “because I’m part of a talented lot of people.”

In the early 1970s, with hundreds of commercials under his belt, he began moving into feature films, first as the screenwriter on a 1971 British movie, “Melody.” In 1974 he directed a BBC Television movie called “The Evacuees,” about Jewish children being evacuated from London during the Blitz in World War II.

Soon, though, Mr. Parker was thoroughly identified with films about American subjects.

“Midnight Express,” with a screenplay by Oliver Stone, is about an American college student who is thrown into a Turkish prison on a drug smuggling charge. “Fame,” about students at the High School of Performing Arts in New York, brought Mr. Parker some criticism in his home country, where, he said, people asked, “Why don’t you make a film about London, about the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art?”

“The exciting thing about the High School of Performing Arts,” he told The Times in 1980, “is that it has a social and ethnic mix that you couldn’t possibly find anywhere in the world, especially not England.”

“Mississippi Burning” is a fictionalized treatment of the real-life case involving the murder of three civil rights workers in Mississippi in 1964. Vincent Canby, reviewing it in The Times in 1988, called it “one of the toughest, straightest, most effective fiction films yet made about bigotry and racial violence, whether in this country or anywhere else in the world.”

Some of Mr. Parker’s films generated controversy. “Midnight Express” was accused of demonizing Turkey and its people. “Angel Heart” featured a steamy sex scene between Mickey Rourke and Lisa Bonet, who was then best known for her role as Denise Huxtable on the family-friendly sitcom “The Cosby Show.” “Mississippi Burning,” starring Gene Hackman and Willem Dafoe, was faulted for, among other things, not having strong Black characters even though it was a civil-rights-era story. “Angela’s Ashes” was criticized as misrepresenting Irish life.

“It would be nice to do a film that isn’t controversial,” Mr. Parker told The Chicago Tribune just before the relatively benign “The Commitments” was released, “although I’m sure someone is bound to find controversy in ‘The Commitments.’”

Mr. Parker received a lifetime achievement award from the Directors Guild of Great Britain in 1998 and was knighted in 2002.

He is survived by his second wife, Lisa Moran-Parker; a son from their marriage, Henry; four children from his marriage to Annie Inglis, Lucy, Alexander, Jake and Nathan Parker; and seven grandchildren.

In a 2003 discussion organized by the British Film Institute in conjunction with the release of his final film, “The Life of David Gale,” about a death-penalty opponent (Kevin Spacey) facing execution for murder, Mr. Parker talked about the intuition and serendipity that play a part in the director’s art.

“It seems to me that a director’s job is to look for wherever the magic may be in any scene,” he said, “and sometimes it’s not where you think.”

“Sometimes the images in your head are better than what you end up with,” he added. “Sometimes they’re nowhere near as good as what happens in front of you.”
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Post by Torgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:14 am

R.I.P. Midnight, The Wall, Angel Heart, Mississippi, The Commitments...all great. He sometimes didn't hit the mark, but he always seemed like a guy who would fight with the producers to get what he wanted.
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You might know that The Commitments is my favourite movie of all time. RIP to a legend in my books
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Wilford Brimley, age 85 due to kidney problems.

Born in Salt Lake City, UT, Brimley served in the Marines for three years, served as a bodyguard for Howard Hughes, and worked as a ranch hand and blacksmith. He began shoeing horses for film and television, then started working as a riding extra and stuntman on advice from his friend Robert Duvall.

Brimley's first acting credits were several appearances on The Waltons. His first credited film appearance was The China Syndrome.

Brimley appeared in numerous other films including Absence of Malice, The Thing, The Natural, Cocoon, The Firm, and Did You Hear About the Morgans? Brimley's final film role was Timber the Treasure Dog in 2016. Brimley made numerous appearances on television as well, appearing on Kung Fu, The Oregon Trail, Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, Walker: Texas Ranger and a memorable appearance on Seinfeld as the United States Postmaster General.

Brimley frequently appeared in commercials including Quaker Oats and Liberty Medical. He was honored in 2008 by The American Diabetes Association for his lifetime of work. He had been married twice and had four children.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:31 pm

It's always been awkward to realize how young Brimley was, which I attribute to Cocoon, a film where he was barely only 50, playing alongside senior citizen "peers" who are a solid generation older than him. His wife played by Maureen Stapleton was a full decade his senior. I've always assumed that he was, at least, of the WWII generation.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:08 pm

will be having a bowl of Quaker in his honor.
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Did he actually post that two days ago?
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Patrick McGroin wrote:
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Did he actually post that two days ago?
It looks like he did. Unless he had someone running his Twitter account for him.
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Post by Patrick McGroin » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:10 am

Death Proof wrote:
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It looks like he did. Unless he had someone running his Twitter account for him.
It was actually the humor that caught me by surprise in the first place. I always thought of him as kind of dour. Posthumous kudos if it was actually him.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:42 am

I wouldn't be shocked if someone else was posting for him but that he was still okay with someone making his online persona "guy who is in on the joke". good enough in my book.
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