Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #7: Hearts and Minds (Sat 03/17)

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Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #7: Hearts and Minds (Sat 03/17)

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:33 pm

Corrie Class Trip is a project where we rotate the selection of a title for group watches on an appointed day/date to then discuss [previous iterations linked below]. We welcome all to participate and share their thoughts and feelings! The seventh viewing for Round 3 is scheduled for Saturday, March 17th. Please post about the film itself and your experience with it in this thread, and any off-topic posts about the series itself in the Class Trip Discussion Thread.

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Hearts and Minds (Peter Davis, 1974)
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IMDb wrote: This film recounts the history and attitudes of the opposing sides of the Vietnam War using archival news footage as well as its own film and interviews. A key theme is how attitudes of American racism and self-righteous militarism helped create and prolong this bloody conflict. The film also endeavors to give voice to the Vietnamese people themselves as to how the war has affected them and their reasons why they fight the United States and other western powers while showing the basic humanity of the people that US propaganda tried to dismiss.
Past Trips, Junior Year:

#1 - La maternelle (1933, Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein, France) | wigwam
#2 - Time and Winds (2006, Reha Erdem, Turkey) | Oxnard Montalvo
#3 - Clean, Shaven (1993, Lodge Kerrigan, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
#4 - Diabeł (1972, Andrzej Żuławski, Poland) | Oxnard Montalvo
#5 - Black Friday (2004, Anurag Kashyap, India) | Rock
#6 - Schizopolis (1996, Steven Soderbergh, USA) | Slentert

Past Trips, Sophomore Year:

#1 - The Worthless (1982, Mika Kaurismäki, Finland) | snapper
#2 - Shopping for Fangs (1997, Quentin Lee and Justin Lin, USA) | takeshi
#3 - The Heart of the Wise Lives in the House of Sorrow (2009, Marin Malešević, Serbia) | Shieldmaiden
#4 - The Forbidden Quest (1993, Peter Delpeut, Netherlands) | kopello
#5 - São Bernardo (1972, Leon Hirszman, Brazil) | Bandy Greensacks
#6 - Evdokia (1971, Alexis Damianos, Greece) | Epistemophobia
#7 - The Ball at the Anjō House (1947, Kōzaburō Yoshimura, Japan) | snapper
#8 - Sérail (1976, Eduardo de Gregorio, France) | takeshi
#9 - Passport for a Corpse (1962, Mario Gariazzo, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#10 - Aksuat (1997, Serik Aprimov, Kazakhstan) | Shieldmaiden
#11 - Dangerously Excited (2011, Koo, South Korea) | wigwam
#12 - Himala (1982, Ishmael Bernal, Philippines) | snapper

Past Trips, Freshman Year:

#1 - Distant Journey (1949, Alfréd Radok, Czechoslovakia) | snapper
#2 - Nanami: The Inferno of First Love (1968, Susumu Hani, Japan) | Das
#3 - The Policewoman (2003, Joaquim Sapinho, Portugal) | charulata
#4 - Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (1989, Vitali Kanevsky, USSR) | Bandy Greensacks
#5 - The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974, Francesco Barilli, Italy) | Trip
#6 - Weddings and Babies (1958, Morris Engel, USA) | snapper
#7 - The Man with Three Coffins (1987, Lee Jang-ho, South Korea) | Notes from Underground
#8 - Malina (1991, Werner Schroeter, Germany) | Shieldmaiden
#9 - Bad Luck (1960, Andrzej Munk, Poland) | B-Side
#10 - The Girl with the Suitcase (1961, Valerio Zurlini, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#11 - The Engagement of Anna (1972, Pantelis Voulgaris, Greece) | BandyGreensacks
#12 - Our Neighbor, Miss Yae (1934. Yasujirō Shimazu, Japan) | snapper[/quote]
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #7: Hearts and Minds (Sat 03/17)

Post by Rock » Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm

Been meaning to watch this for a while. I'm in.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:42 am

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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:41 pm

it was okay. it can't help but pale in comparison to the Ken Burns documentary but that has many obvious advantages so I won't be too harsh. if anything, H&M is a good historical artifact of the ways the artistic community were articulating their views of the war. and maybe one way is how they were too willing to paint the opposition as racist towards the Vietnamese or too stuck in a "Back-to-Back World War Champs" mindset to see clear. and it's not like there isn't some of that but I assume there were plenty who were genuinely concerned with the spread of Communism and had high ideals for the US as a global force for good, if less about Vietnam's right to self-determination (and all those indiscriminately-killed civilians).

one of the most affecting scenes was at the end with the two parents of the dead soldier, still believing in the American ideal, still believing that Nixon was a good man trying to what was right (the scene was filmed in 1973). these are people who know their faith in the country is being tested and refuse to yield because..... well, I can make my own assumptions based on what keeps me welded to my beliefs but it's still wrenching to watch.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:50 pm

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:it can't help but pale in comparison to the Ken Burns documentary
Are you referring to his mini-series, The Civil War?

Anyways, I thought this was a decent film. It was effective as an articulation of American attitudes towards the war. In addition to that, I especially liked the interviews with the Vietnamese. It talks to civilians who are often not heard from. These were all effective moments. As Ox touched on though, by basing most of its attention on racism, I think it gives a misleading depiction of American soldiers as there were likely many more of them who had different viewpoints on the war which weren't explored in this film.

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Post by crumbsroom » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:19 pm

Hearts and Minds is a film about rage, whether it be about all of those it kills and maims, the soldiers whose minds it warps and the countries that manipulate its populace towards death and acts of brutality. I think there is an incorrect assumption that all documentaries should be measured or fair and balanced. Hearts and Minds obviously has an agenda, and it shouldn't be used as the only source in shaping ones views on the Vietnam War (or wars in general). It instead is a movie that in primarily focused on the feelings that were passionately and almost hopelessly anti-war at that time in America. Introducing elements such as the nobility of some soldiers or more rationalized reasoning for what America was doing there in the first place, would only serve to dilute the actual purpose of the film.

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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:15 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote: Are you referring to his mini-series, The Civil War?
no

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Post by Rock » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:17 am

I liked it quite a bit. I knew going in that it wasn't going to be a balanced, but I think the movie works on how strongly it evokes the feelings of anger and sorrow and disillusionment it explores in regards to the war. I think the editing sometimes undermines the effect by opting for easy ironies (or at least going about it too bluntly), but the strength of the footage saves the movie. Made on the tail end of the war, there's a weariness to it that I think a movie with more distance from the events would have trouble achieving. In that respect, I think it might make an interesting pairing with In the Year of the Pig from 1969, which is more concerned with forming a logical argument against the war than in exploring feelings, but plays with palpable urgency no doubt helped by when it was made.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:18 pm

crumbsroom, would you like to pick the next topic?
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:49 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote:crumbsroom, would you like to pick the next topic?
Is this an opportunity to force others to jump into the trash with me? Or am I expected to clean myself up for the occasion? Because one of these things sounds considerably more fun to me than the other.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:09 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Is this an opportunity to force others to jump into the trash with me? Or am I expected to clean myself up for the occasion? Because one of these things sounds considerably more fun to me than the other.
You can pick whichever movie you want, even if you don't expect many of us to hold it in high regard. So, would you like to pick the next topic?
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:39 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote: You can pick whichever movie you want, even if you don't expect many of us to hold it in high regard. So, would you like to pick the next topic?
Sure, why not?
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:55 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Is this an opportunity to force others to jump into the trash with me? Or am I expected to clean myself up for the occasion? Because one of these things sounds considerably more fun to me than the other.
I trust your taste in schlock.

also, I'm gonna give Hearts and Minds another shot when I can, now that I'll know what to expect. you're probably right that I shouldn't give it too much flak for expressing a clear bias anymore than I would a fiction movie like Coming Home. everything's gotta have a story.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 3.0 #7: Hearts and Minds (Sat 03/17)

Post by Captain Terror » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:19 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
Is this an opportunity to force others to jump into the trash with me? Or am I expected to clean myself up for the occasion? Because one of these things sounds considerably more fun to me than the other.
Don't forget it has to be available to those of us outside of the Canadian VHS-rental community. :P
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:14 pm

Does this one work.

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An early 80's cheapo Alien cash-in that's readily available on You Tube.
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I can dig it
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:46 pm

The only Alien cash-in I've seen is Creature. I'll look forward to this one.
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Post by BL » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:47 pm

Oh Jesus, Xtro. You guys have no idea what you're getting yourself into.
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:38 pm

BL wrote:Oh Jesus, Xtro. You guys have no idea what you're getting yourself into.
I have clearly chosen wisely. For a moment I almost worried I might mistakenly choose something respectable.
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Post by BL » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:53 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
I have clearly chosen wisely. For a moment I almost worried I might mistakenly choose something respectable.
I mean, that one scene. Fuck. I'm not spoiling anything but...guys, you'll know it when you see it.
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Post by Rock » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:44 am

Been meaning to watch that one for a while. I'm down.
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:40 pm

When are we doing Xtro?
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:53 pm

I watched it this morning, but I'll save my thoughts on it for the thread.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:57 pm

Captain Terror wrote:When are we doing Xtro?
I agree that we should watch this together, and use the class trip thread to live blog it. Last night probably would have been ideal, but if we can get everyone together this evening, I'll be down for that.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:35 pm

Jinnistan wrote: I agree that we should watch this together, and use the class trip thread to live blog it. Last night probably would have been ideal, but if we can get everyone together this evening, I'll be down for that.
We just have to wait for crumbs to start it.
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Post by crumbsroom » Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:35 am

I am going to be out of town for work for the next few days so the earliest I will be able to do is Thursday. Other than this, it doesn't matter to me much what date to set it for.
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Post by crumbsroom » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:05 am

crumbsroom wrote:I am going to be out of town for work for the next few days so the earliest I will be able to do is Thursday. Other than this, it doesn't matter to me much what date to set it for.
So I have returned home and can do this anytime now. I already watched it, but I heard some talk about a live viewing between posters, and if that is still of any interest, I would always be willing to watch it again just for the occasion. What days work for everyone?
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crumbsroom wrote:
So I have returned home and can do this anytime now. I already watched it, but I heard some talk about a live viewing between posters, and if that is still of any interest, I would always be willing to watch it again just for the occasion. What days work for everyone?
I'm new here, but nothing would please me more than for this to be some Good Friday viewing.
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Post by Jinnistan » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:53 am

I've also seen Xtro but I'm always up to collectively shit on it.
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Post by BL » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:54 am

Jinnistan wrote:to collectively shit on it.
How dare you, sir.
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Post by Jinnistan » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:54 am

I mean...."assess its significance".
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:21 am

any day is fine since it is likely short enough that I don't have to rearrange my schedule. but I'll probably just watch it all the way through rather than liveblog because that's how I've always rolled.
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Post by Rock » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:49 am

I will also likely refrain from liveblogging, but I should be good to watch it this weekend.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:55 pm

I don't know about the rest of you, but this weekend is fine with me.
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