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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Wooley » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:05 pm

Captain Terror wrote:Being stranded on the couch with a fever all day resulted in the following screenings:

Ea$y Money (1983)
Never a big Rodney Dangerfield fan and this did nothing to change my mind. If this is considered one of his lesser works I'm willing to give him another chance.
I always loved Rodney, even though I was a kid and a teenager in his heyday, and I always really enjoyed this movie, but I haven't seen it in many a year. Was thinking about revisiting but your response makes me wanna keep my happy memories intact.
Still, I thought Joe Pesci and Taylor Negron were hilarious, I always liked Jennifer Jason Leigh in everything she ever did (especially The Hudsucker Proxy), I even liked Candice Azzara as Rodney's wife Rose, but I especially just loved Rodney being Rodney.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Wooley » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:10 pm

Captain Terror wrote: Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (1988)
Although I wouldn't call myself an Elvira "fan", I was a regular viewer of Movie Macabre simply because I'd watch any creature feature I could find. I considered her commentary a minor, occasionally funny, nuisance interrupting my movie. (Unlike MST3K, she actually showed some great films, even though her role was to make fun of them).
So this feature film isn't great, but it was pleasant enough to spend a wasted Saturday afternoon with. It also reeks of the 1980s from stem to stern, for those who seek out such things. Homages to Rambo and Flashdance happen, as well as a cringe-inducing music video to end the film. If you've ever wanted to hear Elvira rap, this is your movie. (My favorite part was her T-Bird)
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And, ya know, I got into Movie Macabre right before my balls dropped and I didn't necessarily have that rabid sexual attraction that young men have to the slightest hint of skin, but I knew I wasn't just watching the show to see The Green Slime (and I think my mom knew it too). I loved Elvira for a number of reasons, one because she hosted the late-night horror-show, another because she was a woman hosting the late-night horror show, another because she was so all-in on her character that even though it was often (intentionally) groan-worthy, her unfaltering commitment to it made it almost even more fun, and finally her cleavage and sexuality. And the way that sexuality was mixed with horror has absolutely shaped me forever. I'm pretty sure a direct line can be drawn in my life from Elvira to my taste in so many types of movies and my penchant for eroticism in horror (Hammer didn't hurt in that regard either).
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Captain Terror » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:00 pm

Wooley wrote: I always loved Rodney, even though I was a kid and a teenager in his heyday, and I always really enjoyed this movie, but I haven't seen it in many a year. Was thinking about revisiting but your response makes me wanna keep my happy memories intact.
Still, I thought Joe Pesci and Taylor Negron were hilarious, I always liked Jennifer Jason Leigh in everything she ever did (especially The Hudsucker Proxy), I even liked Candice Azzara as Rodney's wife Rose, but I especially just loved Rodney being Rodney.
Well, I'm watching my first Dangerfield movie in 2019 so my opinion is hardly relevant, I'd say. (And yes, this includes Caddyshack.) I will say that I was disappointed that Pesci wasn't funnier, since I've always liked him. But yeah, if you were a RD fan back in the day, I don't see why this wouldn't still hold up.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Captain Terror » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:40 pm

Wooley wrote: And, ya know, I got into Movie Macabre right before my balls dropped and I didn't necessarily have that rabid sexual attraction that young men have to the slightest hint of skin, but I knew I wasn't just watching the show to see The Green Slime (and I think my mom knew it too). I loved Elvira for a number of reasons, one because she hosted the late-night horror-show, another because she was a woman hosting the late-night horror show, another because she was so all-in on her character that even though it was often (intentionally) groan-worthy, her unfaltering commitment to it made it almost even more fun, and finally her cleavage and sexuality. And the way that sexuality was mixed with horror has absolutely shaped me forever. I'm pretty sure a direct line can be drawn in my life from Elvira to my taste in so many types of movies and my penchant for eroticism in horror (Hammer didn't hurt in that regard either).
Yeah, I definitely didn't dislike Elvira, I only meant that I wasn't tuning in because of her. So if she'd been replaced by another host I'd still watch so long as there was a monster movie. (Unlike Morgus Presents, for example. We'd record his show every week, but edit out the actual movie). One thing I noticed about the humor in this movie is that she wasn't always going for the obvious Addams Family-type joke. Example-- She inherits a house from a relative, a house that looks like the standard Hollywood haunted mansion, and she's disappointed because it's so ugly and filthy. The more cliche joke would've been that she preferred the dilapidated house. She sleeps in an Elvis T-shirt instead of a burial gown. Her pet poodle has a pink mohawk, and so on. She had her own thing going, is what I'm trying to say.

And now a word about her boobs. I mentioned that the film ends with a terrible music video. Well, during that segment the film basically stops for a giant screen-filling closeup of her chest as she does that stripper trick of twirling tassles. This lasts for an uncomfortably long time and has a cheap tacked-on feel, as if someone decided "let's give the people what they came for". It was a pretty disappointing way to end the film. (Maybe it's my fault for not finding boob stunts to be terribly erotic.) Peterson has a co-writing credit so I hope for her sake that it was her idea, because the idea that she was convinced to do it by someone else is pretty gross. I don't know what my point is here. Even with the many dirty jokes and double entendres throughout the film, this just stuck out as being really tacky and out of character for her and the movie.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by John Dumbear » Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:55 pm

Rodney's '80s (& '90s) rating:

1. Caddyshack (8/10)
2. Natural Born Killers (8/10)
3. Back to School (7/10)
4. Easy Money (6/10)
5. Ladybugs (4/10)
6. Meet Sally Sparks (3/10)
7. Little Nicky (3/10)
8. My Five Wives (2/10)

Damn funny stand up act and a less than stellar movie career.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Wooley » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:27 am

Captain Terror wrote:
Yeah, I definitely didn't dislike Elvira, I only meant that I wasn't tuning in because of her. So if she'd been replaced by another host I'd still watch so long as there was a monster movie. (Unlike Morgus Presents, for example. We'd record his show every week, but edit out the actual movie). One thing I noticed about the humor in this movie is that she wasn't always going for the obvious Addams Family-type joke. Example-- She inherits a house from a relative, a house that looks like the standard Hollywood haunted mansion, and she's disappointed because it's so ugly and filthy. The more cliche joke would've been that she preferred the dilapidated house. She sleeps in an Elvis T-shirt instead of a burial gown. Her pet poodle has a pink mohawk, and so on. She had her own thing going, is what I'm trying to say.

And now a word about her boobs. I mentioned that the film ends with a terrible music video. Well, during that segment the film basically stops for a giant screen-filling closeup of her chest as she does that stripper trick of twirling tassles. This lasts for an uncomfortably long time and has a cheap tacked-on feel, as if someone decided "let's give the people what they came for". It was a pretty disappointing way to end the film. (Maybe it's my fault for not finding boob stunts to be terribly erotic.) Peterson has a co-writing credit so I hope for her sake that it was her idea, because the idea that she was convinced to do it by someone else is pretty gross. I don't know what my point is here. Even with the many dirty jokes and double entendres throughout the film, this just stuck out as being really tacky and out of character for her and the movie.
Wait... sorry... the image of a young Elvira sleeping in an Elvis t-shirt just took over my whole life...

On the latter, I've actually kinda studied Cassandra Peterson's career for many years, I'm just a fan of what she did, regardless of the obvious sexuality part, and honestly, that sounds totally in keeping with her MO. Like not one word of that didn't sound like a Cassandra Peterson thing to do, so I'd be surprised if that was exploitation rather than her dancing with the ones that brought her, which she was never shy about.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Captain Terror » Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:34 pm

Wooley wrote:
Wait... sorry... the image of a young Elvira sleeping in an Elvis t-shirt just took over my whole life...

On the latter, I've actually kinda studied Cassandra Peterson's career for many years, I'm just a fan of what she did, regardless of the obvious sexuality part, and honestly, that sounds totally in keeping with her MO. Like not one word of that didn't sound like a Cassandra Peterson thing to do, so I'd be surprised if that was exploitation rather than her dancing with the ones that brought her, which she was never shy about.
Well, I'd feel better about it if that were the case so I hope so. I guess you'd have to see it in context to understand what I mean. Her idea or not, it's still pretty cheap but then again this wasn't exactly high art to begin with. It didn't ruin the movie or anything, just thought it ended it on a bad note.

And here's one for you:
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Fun fact: When I was a kid (70s) my aunt had a pretty serious boyfriend, but they broke up when he moved to L.A. I've been told that he dated Peterson at one point while he was out there. (Pre-Elvira, I think. Or at least pre-stardom.) My aunt is kind of the worst, so that was decidedly an upgrade. :)
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Wooley » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:27 pm

Captain Terror wrote: Well, I'd feel better about it if that were the case so I hope so. I guess you'd have to see it in context to understand what I mean. Her idea or not, it's still pretty cheap but then again this wasn't exactly high art to begin with. It didn't ruin the movie or anything, just thought it ended it on a bad note.

And here's one for you:
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Fun fact: When I was a kid (70s) my aunt had a pretty serious boyfriend, but they broke up when he moved to L.A. I've been told that he dated Peterson at one point while he was out there. (Pre-Elvira, I think. Or at least pre-stardom.) My aunt is kind of the worst, so that was decidedly an upgrade. :)
I remember it from when I saw the movie a long time ago. I get what you're saying, but Cheap Thrillz was exactly what Peterson trafficked in and I always thought the way she took ownership and control of it was cool. I can understand how that scene might be a bridge too far and kinda cheapen things a bit, but I don't blame her (or anyone else) for throwing anything at the wall, especially with a little "give them a taste of what they really want".

Funny story. I wonder what the working pick-up line for a woman like that is.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Captain Terror » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:46 pm

Wooley wrote: Funny story. I wonder what the working pick-up line for a woman like that is.
My admittedly hazy memory of the guy was like David Soul hair with a John Oates 'stache. No pickup line needed when you're rocking that combo! :D
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Melvin Butterworth » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:40 pm

There was a certain look for actresses that was very "in" in the 80s. Square-jawed actresses with big eyes and quirky hair (feathered hair or a funky perm or a pixie cut). Catherine Mary Stewart, Linda Hamilton, Lucinda Dickie, Ally Sheedy, Jenette Goldstein, Amanda Peterson, Demi Moore, Geena Davis, etc. This isn't to say that actresses like Valerie Bertinelli didn't exist in the 70s or that this sort of look was not selected for in the 90s (e.g., Sandra Bullock), and this is not to say that we cannot list many exceptions to the rule (e.g., Molly Ringwald) but there is something distinctly 80s about a square-jawed girl with raccoon eyes and quirky hair. To me, there is nothing more 80s than the combination of Disney eyes, tyrannosaur jaw, and a funky mop of hair in a coming of age flick.
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Re: We Didn't Start The 80s

Post by Wooley » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:53 pm

Melvin Butterworth wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:40 pm
There was a certain look for actresses that was very "in" in the 80s. Square-jawed actresses with big eyes and quirky hair (feathered hair or a funky perm or a pixie cut). Catherine Mary Stewart, Linda Hamilton, Lucinda Dickie, Ally Sheedy, Jenette Goldstein, Amanda Peterson, Demi Moore, Geena Davis, etc. This isn't to say that actresses like Valerie Bertinelli didn't exist in the 70s or that this sort of look was not selected for in the 90s (e.g., Sandra Bullock), and this is not to say that we cannot list many exceptions to the rule (e.g., Molly Ringwald) but there is something distinctly 80s about a square-jawed girl with raccoon eyes and quirky hair. To me, there is nothing more 80s than the combination of Disney eyes, tyrannosaur jaw, and a funky mop of hair in a coming of age flick.
And I had no defense against it. Still don't, really.
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