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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:30 pm

Corrie Class Trip is a project where we rotate the selection of a title for group watches on an appointed day/date to then discuss [previous iterations linked below]. We welcome all to participate and share their thoughts and feelings! The inaugural viewing for Round 4 is scheduled for Saturday December 8th. Please post about the film itself and your experience with it in this thread, and any off-topic posts about the series itself in the Class Trip Discussion Thread.

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Ex Drummer (Koen Mortier, 2007)
imdb wrote:Three handicapped losers who form a band ask famous writer Dries to be their drummer. He joins the band and starts manipulating them.
letterboxd user wrote:I imagine if Gaspar Noe directed Trainspotting it might have looked something like this.
If you can't find this movie on your own, you can watch it on youtube:
Or you can dm me your email adress and I send you a file of this in slightly better quality.


Past Trips, Junior Year:

#1 - La maternelle (1933, Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein, France) | wigwam
#2 - Time and Winds (2006, Reha Erdem, Turkey) | Oxnard Montalvo
#3 - Clean, Shaven (1993, Lodge Kerrigan, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
#4 - Diabeł (1972, Andrzej Żuławski, Poland) | Oxnard Montalvo
#5 - Black Friday (2004, Anurag Kashyap, India) | Rock
#6 - Schizopolis (1996, Steven Soderbergh, USA) | Slentert
#7 - Hearts and Minds (1974, Peter Davis, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
#8 - Xtro (1982, Harry Bromley Davenport, UK) | crumbsroom
#9 - The House (1997, Šarūnas Bartas, France) | Oxnard Montalvo
#10 - Spider-Baby (1967, Jack Hill, USA) | Slentert
#11 - Oh Lucy! (2017, Atsuko Hirayanagi, Japan/USA) | Shieldmaiden
#12 - The Heartbreak Kid (1972, Elaine May, USA) | Jinnistan

Past Trips, Sophomore Year:

#1 - The Worthless (1982, Mika Kaurismäki, Finland) | snapper
#2 - Shopping for Fangs (1997, Quentin Lee and Justin Lin, USA) | takeshi
#3 - The Heart of the Wise Lives in the House of Sorrow (2009, Marin Malešević, Serbia) | Shieldmaiden
#4 - The Forbidden Quest (1993, Peter Delpeut, Netherlands) | kopello
#5 - São Bernardo (1972, Leon Hirszman, Brazil) | Bandy Greensacks
#6 - Evdokia (1971, Alexis Damianos, Greece) | Epistemophobia
#7 - The Ball at the Anjō House (1947, Kōzaburō Yoshimura, Japan) | snapper
#8 - Sérail (1976, Eduardo de Gregorio, France) | takeshi
#9 - Passport for a Corpse (1962, Mario Gariazzo, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#10 - Aksuat (1997, Serik Aprimov, Kazakhstan) | Shieldmaiden
#11 - Dangerously Excited (2011, Koo, South Korea) | wigwam
#12 - Himala (1982, Ishmael Bernal, Philippines) | snapper

Past Trips, Freshman Year:

#1 - Distant Journey (1949, Alfréd Radok, Czechoslovakia) | snapper
#2 - Nanami: The Inferno of First Love (1968, Susumu Hani, Japan) | Das
#3 - The Policewoman (2003, Joaquim Sapinho, Portugal) | charulata
#4 - Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (1989, Vitali Kanevsky, USSR) | Bandy Greensacks
#5 - The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974, Francesco Barilli, Italy) | Trip
#6 - Weddings and Babies (1958, Morris Engel, USA) | snapper
#7 - The Man with Three Coffins (1987, Lee Jang-ho, South Korea) | Notes from Underground
#8 - Malina (1991, Werner Schroeter, Germany) | Shieldmaiden
#9 - Bad Luck (1960, Andrzej Munk, Poland) | B-Side
#10 - The Girl with the Suitcase (1961, Valerio Zurlini, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#11 - The Engagement of Anna (1972, Pantelis Voulgaris, Greece) | BandyGreensacks
#12 - Our Neighbor, Miss Yae (1934. Yasujirō Shimazu, Japan) | snapper[/quote][/quote]
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:43 pm

I'll be there.
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Popcorn Reviews wrote:I'll be there.
Same!
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Post by Jinnistan » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pm

Does this mean that I can't watch it before the 8th? :-/
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Jinnistan wrote:Does this mean that I can't watch it before the 8th? :-/
You can, but it'll cost you a plane ticket.
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Post by Jinnistan » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:06 am

Rock wrote: You can, but it'll cost you a plane ticket.
Oh, yeah. Thanks for the Godard. Once upon a time, it was the most difficult film of his to track down.
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Post by Rock » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:31 am

Alright, picked up a copy at the Adult Video Palace...I mean, legitimate, non-sleazy video store. I'll be ready to rock and/or roll by the weekend.
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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:31 pm

I'm afraid I kinda hated this movie, y'all. :( This is what I wrote about it on letterboxd:



Bunny Lebowski: Uli doesn't care about anything. He's a Nihilist.
The Dude: Ah, that must be exhausting.


A trashy, scandalous and borderline surreal movie that makes Trainspotting look PG. But during Ex Drummer I was often thinking of the above quote from The Big Lebowski. This movie is nihilistic as fuck, but it doesn't add up to anything. Watching this is like a revolting child that is screaming and pissing in your face, there is no purpose or any deeper meaning behind it. It just revels in its own filth and after a while that gets really exhausting.

I should've expected my reaction to this movie since I always had similar feelings about Herman Brusselmans' (who wrote the book this movie is based on) writings and public persona. I wish someone could explain to him that just because something is offensive doesn't mean it's thought-provoking. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by Jinnistan » Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:42 pm

I'm still going to watch this shit.
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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:49 pm

A lot of people love this movie, so I'd say give it a fair shot.
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Post by Rock » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:01 pm

Yeah, I didn't like this one at all either. It's a constant barrage of cheap shots at women and those with disabilities that aren't funny or sophisticated enough to graduate to actual jokes, but that doesn't stop the movie from smugly patting its own back after each one. (Exhibit A: A deaf guy yells loudly when he's singing, because he's deaf, you see.) Like Slentert said, I'm not inherently opposed to nihilism or mean-spirited humour, but the movie never builds it into an actual attitude aside from one of self-satisfied ironic detachment, and has a hideous visual style to boot.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:09 pm

I think you guys are mischaracterizing the film. This film isn't nihilistic, it's Belgian. This is an aspirational family comedy for Belgium.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:34 pm

Slentert wrote:A lot of people love this movie, so I'd say give it a fair shot.
In another Belgian film, the art world goes crazy for a graffiti artist with works like this one:

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I had to give up on this one. Sorry. :(
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:13 pm

I didn't care for this one at all. Nihilism isn't inherently bad or anything as long as a film has more to offer the viewer, but this film offers nothing but that. It doesn't even go anywhere interesting with its plot. It's just a series or hateful jabs towards women, homosexuals, and disabilities. There's nothing compelling about any of that. The jabs aren't even that clever to make for good jokes. Since it doesn't take long for its premise to grow thin, I just sort of tune out since there's nothing interesting to keep me engaged.

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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:52 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:
I had to give up on this one. Sorry. :(
To be honest, if I wasn't the one who chose this movie I'd given up on it too.
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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:01 pm

LEAVES wrote:I think you guys are mischaracterizing the film. This film isn't nihilistic, it's Belgian. This is an aspirational family comedy for Belgium.
This movie is, besides a strong cult following, not very popular in Belgium, actually.
But you do have a point that we Belgians like to revel in this kind of nihilism and hopelessness. Empire Magazine once wrote about the Dardenne brothers that (I'm paraphrasing here) "they live in the world's largest shithole and want to share it with the rest of us". That's true of Belgian film culture as a whole actually.

Also if you want to know what an actual Belgian family comedy looks like, watch this trailer :D

Sorry I chose such a terrible movie, y'all. :(
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:30 pm

Slentert wrote:Also if you want to know what an actual Belgian family comedy looks like, watch this trailer
Oh, wow. Haha!

Don't feel bad. People have hated some of mine, too. :)
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:34 pm

Slentert wrote:Sorry I chose such a terrible movie, y'all. :(
Don't worry about it. How could you have known whether we'd like it or not?
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Post by Slentert » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:43 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:Oh, wow. Haha!
Some context, this is a major franchise that has spawned 21 seasons of a sitcom, 3 movies (and a fourth one coming) and over 150 comic books. These movies outperform Star Wars and James Bond on the Belgian box office.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:43 pm

Popcorn Reviews wrote:Don't worry about it. How could you have known whether we'd like it or not?
Yeah, it's the risk we all take when we recommend something we haven't seen. It's the nature of the game!
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Slentert wrote: Some context, this is a major franchise that has spawned 21 seasons of a sitcom, 3 movies (and a fourth one coming) and over 150 comic books. These movies outperform Star Wars and James Bond on the Belgian box office.
Rubens, Magritte, F.C. De Kampioenen, ...Yay Belgium! :D
(I'm not backing down from Ex Drummer, by the way. We'll see if I regret this later. Bring it on!)
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Post by Captain Terror » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:41 pm

Ex Drummer- aka Edgelord: The Movie

So having prepared myself for an onslaught of various offenses against humanity, I found this to be not as transgressive as it wants to be. It's like your average internet Edgelord: thinks he's badass but is in fact too toothless to be of harm to anyone that's on to his charade. To say that I hated it or was offended would be giving it too much credit, so I'll just say that I thought it was too silly to merit my scorn.
Also, this was one case where a cruddy low-res youtube print was not a detriment. It only made it more "punk".

Question for Mr Slentert-- I guess you would've been pretty young when this was released but how is the film regarded in Belgium? You mentioned a cult following in your review. I hadn't heard of it nor Brusselmans before now. I take it he's known as a provocateur?
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Zama is looking like a very attractive alternative right now.
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Post by Jinnistan » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:14 am

I guess Abel would count as a good Belgian family comedy?

edit: oh, it's Dutch :shifty:
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Jinnistan wrote:I guess Abel would count as a good Belgian family comedy?

edit: oh, it's Dutch :shifty:
Dutch?!?!

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White people are so racist, they even hate Belgians.
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Post by Slentert » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:35 am

Jinnistan wrote:I guess Abel would count as a good Belgian family comedy?

edit: oh, it's Dutch :shifty:
Abel is really fun. But I really love The Northerners by that same director. But I know a lot of Americans find that movie "too Dutch" to enjoy...

Also, if you rather watch another movie there is nothing wrong with that. Time is valuable and I completely understand if you don't want to spend yours with a movie nobody seems to like.
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Post by Slentert » Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:49 am

Captain Terror wrote:Question for Mr Slentert-- I guess you would've been pretty young when this was released but how is the film regarded in Belgium? You mentioned a cult following in your review. I hadn't heard of it nor Brusselmans before now. I take it he's known as a provocateur?
It was dismissed at its original release but through the years, certain cinephiles from Flanders and the Netherlands have embraced the movie and its punkness. But it's not streaming anywhere and there is only one DVD release from the mid-2000's. If you go at Letterboxd, a lot of people gave this movie 4 stars or higher, and many others rated it one stars...

Brusselmans used to be known as a provocateur. Nowadays he is just a dirty old man who appears in panel shows. He is one of the most popular writers in Belgium with over 60 books written, almost all bestsellers and they're all very similar in story and style. Ex-Drummer was the third book in the "Suddenly nothing happened"-trilogy. To give you some idea of his writings, one of his most well-known stories could be translated as "The Beautiful Vomiting Girl". That even became a play.

Koen Mortier, the director of Ex-Drummer, only made two other movies. Both were pretty badly received.
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Jinnistan wrote: White people are so racist, they even hate Belgians.
Even Belgians hate Belgians.
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Slentert wrote:
It was dismissed at its original release but through the years, certain cinephiles from Flanders and the Netherlands have embraced the movie and its punkness. But it's not streaming anywhere and there is only one DVD release from the mid-2000's. If you go at Letterboxd, a lot of people gave this movie 4 stars or higher, and many others rated it one stars...

Brusselmans used to be known as a provocateur. Nowadays he is just a dirty old man who appears in panel shows. He is one of the most popular writers in Belgium with over 60 books written, almost all bestsellers and they're all very similar in story and style. Ex-Drummer was the third book in the "Suddenly nothing happened"-trilogy. To give you some idea of his writings, one of his most well-known stories could be translated as "The Beautiful Vomiting Girl". That even became a play.

Koen Mortier, the director of Ex-Drummer, only made two other movies. Both were pretty badly received.
Interesting, thanks!
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Post by Rock » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:23 am

Anybody mind if I take the next round?
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Please do! :)
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Post by Rock » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:59 am

Aight, I'm thinking January 5th as the date for the next round. I'll think of a few potential titles and post them here to figure out which ones people can get a hold of easily enough.
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Post by Rock » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:27 am

So, how easily can people get a hold of the following:

Almost Human (Lenzi, 1974)
Four of the Apocalypse (Fulci, 1975)
The Territory (Ruiz, 1981) - There's a watchable copy of this on YouTube but I'm not sure it's in the right aspect ratio.

The first two I own copies of but I don't know if they're available to stream anywhere.
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*cough*
Rock wrote:So, how easily can people get a hold of the following:

Almost Human (Lenzi, 1974)
Four of the Apocalypse (Fulci, 1975)
The Territory (Ruiz, 1981) - There's a watchable copy of this on YouTube but I'm not sure it's in the right aspect ratio.

The first two I own copies of but I don't know if they're available to stream anywhere.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:48 pm

I found a dubbed Almost Human on Y0uTu8e. Four of the Apocalypse (also dubbed) is on Amazon Prime.
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Rock wrote:*cough*
I'm down for any of them. I may just watch all of them.

I am eager to check out another Ruiz film.
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Post by Rock » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:37 pm

Think I'll go with the Ruiz. I'll make a thread soon.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:06 am

saw it, despite all of your warnings.

I get that in the end the main character, the writer, is meant to be the most depraved character. kinda of like the dude from The Vanishing, manipulating events just to see what would happen. so I'm guessing it's kind of an exercise in artistic self-loathing? i.e. of those people who insert themselves into the lower depths, collect their material, and return to their comfortable lives. which is okay I guess. though at this point I have probably seen too many self-loathing depictions of artists to have felt much about this movie.

is the main character supposed to be Brusselmans? and is it Brusselmans depiction of himself or does it come from Mortier?
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Post by Slentert » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:16 pm

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:06 am

is the main character supposed to be Brusselmans? and is it Brusselmans depiction of himself or does it come from Mortier?
Sorry for the late answer.

The main character is definitely supposed to be Brusselmans. I have not read the original novel, so I'm not quite sure whether it's his own or Mortier's work, but it doesn't differ a lot from how Brusselmans depicted himself in books of his I did read.
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