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Post by Wooley » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:00 am

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I'm obviously no shirking violet to the most obscene of obscene films. And for me it's not a question about if the violence is justified, or paid back. I am entirely fine with films that trade in completely unjustified exploitation. If that is the world view of the filmmaker, whether it be straight nihilism or a cheap way to make a mark, I can accept it. Sometimes enthusiastically. I have some absolutely shameful favorite movies. But every once and awhile a specific scene just really rubs me the wrong way. This one, the pissing scene in Last House, probably no more than a handful of others. I just found myself really resenting the movie for bringing me to the place it was bringing me, and I can't even specify any particular reason why one scene will aggravate me, while another I will just chalk up to a director trying to rub its audiences nose in the filth. It's possible there isn't even a distinction, just maybe I watched those scenes on a day when I wasn't up for such transgressions.
I can absolutely understand that.
I've been watching a string of these movies since September and almost all of them contain at least one transgressive scene that can potentially throw viewers out of the movie. Tthe first on this run for me was Class of 1984 which was just hard to finish, even though I thought they did a great job on the budget, after
the gang-rape of the main character's wife in their home
. That was just hard for me to take and still watch the rest of the movie. But, for better or for worse, probably worse, I have come to take these as par for the course in this genre and have pressed on through the stripper doused in gasoline and burned alive in-frame, the pregnant bride thrown off an overpass, the teenage prostitute repeatedly branded by the sexual-deviant politician, etc., which "justifies" the gang-leader hung by the neck on a chain in the school gymnasium, the man slowly lowered into a meat-grinder, the man flame-throwered at point-blank range, or the villain just rammed between a car and a concrete wall over and over again until he just coughs up blood and stops. It's a fucked up sub-genre, and I don't know what it says about me that I am drawn to it, or especially what it says that these are all re-watches from when I was a teenager.
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Post by Wooley » Tue May 14, 2019 12:18 am

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I went into this (a couple months ago) with such high expectations that I actually had to re-lower them because it was absurd. How good could an animated Spider-Man movie really be? I mean, really, how does one silly little thing like this get this much adulation? It's just over the top.
Go figure.
It's every bit as good as anyone told me. It's probably a little better because you really can't quite prepare people for it, they just have to see it. Like me. Is it instantly the best animated Super-hero movie I've ever seen? Probably. I'm really struggling to think what was better. It was certainly better than any Marvel animated movie I've seen. I'm pretty sure it was better than all the DC ones, including Mask Of The Phantasm.
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Which pretty much puts it up against The Incredibles. I'll let everybody call that one for themselves.
But, truly, this movie surprised me in ways I didn't know I could be surprised (suprise!) and left me with a massive shit-eating grin when it was all over. As Marvel has become so famous for doing now, they tried things no one tries and no one thinks they would even try and it just does them, without blinking, and it pays off. Again.
I'm going to avoid talking any plot in case there is anyone who hasn't seen it, but it certainly foreshadows what we've seen on the big screen (in feature films and trailers) since it came out and makes one wonder how far Marvel will go in their Cinematic Universe.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Tue May 14, 2019 12:25 am

Good to see this thread is back again. I'm looking forward to reading your future write ups. As for Spiderverse, I need to revisit it. A couple of my friends saw it with me, but the version we saw was pretty crappy as it consisted of a guy pointing his camera at a movie screen. Ugh. I want to give it a fair chance.
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Post by Slentert » Tue May 14, 2019 8:17 am

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I went into this (a couple months ago) with such high expectations that I actually had to re-lower them because it was absurd. How good could an animated Spider-Man movie really be? I mean, really, how does one silly little thing like this get this much adulation? It's just over the top.
Go figure.
It's every bit as good as anyone told me. It's probably a little better because you really can't quite prepare people for it, they just have to see it. Like me. Is it instantly the best animated Super-hero movie I've ever seen? Probably. I'm really struggling to think what was better. It was certainly better than any Marvel animated movie I've seen. I'm pretty sure it was better than all the DC ones, including Mask Of The Phantasm.
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Which pretty much puts it up against The Incredibles. I'll let everybody call that one for themselves.
But, truly, this movie surprised me in ways I didn't know I could be surprised (suprise!) and left me with a massive shit-eating grin when it was all over. As Marvel has become so famous for doing now, they tried things no one tries and no one thinks they would even try and it just does them, without blinking, and it pays off. Again.
I'm going to avoid talking any plot in case there is anyone who hasn't seen it, but it certainly foreshadows what we've seen on the big screen (in feature films and trailers) since it came out and makes one wonder how far Marvel will go in their Cinematic Universe.
I love this movie. The more I think of it, the more I'm certain that it is one of the best superhero movies ever.
Also, the MCU has nothing to do with it, for once Sony did the right thing.
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Post by Slentert » Tue May 14, 2019 8:19 am

I was really fed up with my comic book friends at the time of its release, since they didn't want to go see it "cause it is animated"...
They go see every superhero movie under the sun, even when it is widely trashed like Venom, but somehow these comic book fans don't want to see something because it is "drawn". How ironic.
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Post by Wooley » Tue May 14, 2019 10:58 am

Slentert wrote:
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Also, the MCU has nothing to do with it, for once Sony did the right thing.
I didn't mean that they did, but I meant, especially in light of revelations in the Far From Home trailer, after the events of Endgame, and considering their willingness to put a raccoon with a machine-gun in a talking tree, this movie perhaps opens the door for Feige and company to stretch things further than they ever have.
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Post by Wooley » Tue May 14, 2019 11:00 am

Slentert wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 8:19 am
I was really fed up with my comic book friends at the time of its release, since they didn't want to go see it "cause it is animated"...
They go see every superhero movie under the sun, even when it is widely trashed like Venom, but somehow these comic book fans don't want to see something because it is "drawn". How ironic.
I enjoy the ironies.
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Post by Jinnistan » Thu May 16, 2019 11:51 pm

I eagerly await the Spider-Ham standalone film.
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Post by Wooley » Tue May 21, 2019 3:20 pm

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A film that appears on many Top 100 A-T lists, it's taken me forever to get around to it and it is certainly a very good movie.
Here we have a fairly early (1952) anti-Western a film that of course contains the righteousness and virtue of the Western Hero and the simple dichotomy of the good versus the bad, but it is subverted throughout by moral ambiguity from every direction.
The story concerns a marshal (Gary Cooper) who is retiring to get married and settle down with a beautiful young Amish bride (Grace Kelly). On the day of their wedding he is feted by the town as a hero and the pillar of the community, loved by all. But when a telegraph comes through that an old nemesis of his, a deadly gunslinger, has been released from jail and is on his way to the town with a gang of gunman to kill the marshal for sending them to jail, a different tune begins to be sung. Insisting that he face the gunmen personally he alienates his young bride whose religion abhors violence and she abandons him. Assuming that the town will back him and together they will easily handle the gang, the marshal begins recruiting only to learn that the town is full of cowardice, agendas, and lies, even that he is resented by many in the town in which he thought he was beloved, who think they are less prosperous under his law and order than they were under the chaos when the gunmen ran the town. This culminates in a surprising town meeting in the church as the marshal learns that he might be the only person of real virtue in the whole town.
Meanwhile, as desperation mounts and he realizes that he will likely be dying alone in the street, the clock is always ticking, ticking toward High Noon when the gunmen's train will arrive.
The film is very effectively built and succeeds both with its narrative execution and its subversion of the genre (for the time). Much has been made of the innovative cinematography by Floyd Crosby, which caused producers to nearly fire him mid-shoot.
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Notably, the recurring song, written for the film, "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling" is often cited as the progenitor of theme songs to films. The film was nominated for seven Academy Awards, including Best Picture. Gary Cooper won Best Actor for the role of Will Kane, the marshal, a role which had been turned down by John Wayne, Gregory Peck, Marlon Brando, Montgomery Clift, and Charlton Heston. Wayne, an aggressive supporter of blacklisting in Hollywood, who had turned down the role because of the obvious anti-blacklisting overtones of the film, accepted the Oscar on Cooper's behalf, disingenuously quipping that he was going to go talk to his agents about why HE hadn't played Will Kane.
Wayne, an obvious asshole, later said he considered High Noon "the most un-American thing I've ever seen in my whole life", making Rio Bravo in response to the film. What a dick.
Finally, one cannot talk about High Noon without mentioning that the film's run-time is exactly the story's run-time, frequently pointed out by shots of clocks around town making it clear that we are seeing the story unfold in real time, quite an innovation for the time.
In summation, despite Roger Ebert's assertion that the film is extremely overrated, I found that this was yet another Classic that yielded the desired result when I finally brought myself to see it and that it has helped to continue opening the door for me to watch these films more readily.
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Post by Captain Terror » Tue May 21, 2019 8:27 pm

I just got around to High Noon in the past few years also, and thought it was great. Felt very "modern".
I recognize Floyd Crosby's name from all of Corman's Poe movies, didn't realize he did this one. Cool. What's the story about him almost being fired?
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Post by Wooley » Wed May 22, 2019 1:05 am

Captain Terror wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 8:27 pm
I just got around to High Noon in the past few years also, and thought it was great. Felt very "modern".
I recognize Floyd Crosby's name from all of Corman's Poe movies, didn't realize he did this one. Cool. What's the story about him almost being fired?
I can't remember where exactly I read it, I read a buncha stuff about the movie after, but apparently it had to do with the lighting he was filming with, they actually accused him of being incompetent and were gonna replace him but he turned out to be right in the end.

Oh wait, here it is (from Criterion):
"The photography of High Noon has also been controversial, and its cinematographer, Floyd Crosby, was almost fired for what his bosses saw as 'incompetent work'. Actually, Crosby and Fred Zinnemann had carefully studied the look of Matthew Brady’s famous Civil War still photographs, with their lack of filtering and high contrast between light and dark, and had sought to achieve a similar look on film. Today, High Noon is studied in film classes as an example of the power of black-and-white photography."
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Post by Captain Terror » Wed May 22, 2019 2:27 pm

Wooley wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 1:05 am
I can't remember where exactly I read it, I read a buncha stuff about the movie after, but apparently it had to do with the lighting he was filming with, they actually accused him of being incompetent and were gonna replace him but he turned out to be right in the end.

Oh wait, here it is (from Criterion):
"The photography of High Noon has also been controversial, and its cinematographer, Floyd Crosby, was almost fired for what his bosses saw as 'incompetent work'. Actually, Crosby and Fred Zinnemann had carefully studied the look of Matthew Brady’s famous Civil War still photographs, with their lack of filtering and high contrast between light and dark, and had sought to achieve a similar look on film. Today, High Noon is studied in film classes as an example of the power of black-and-white photography."
heh...Studio Execs: Ruining films since 1920.
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Post by Wooley » Wed May 22, 2019 6:16 pm

Captain Terror wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 2:27 pm
heh...Studio Execs: Ruining films since 1920.
No shit.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:51 am

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Oh.
My.
God.
Every time I think the DCEU can't possibly make another historically atrocious film... that they have to - even accidentally - make something that isn't complete dogshit on the level of Ultraviolet but without the excuse of being a low-budget attempt at sci-fi... they prove that it doesn't matter who they put in charge, it doesn't matter who they cast, and it doesn't matter what they spend, there's just something in the fucking WATER at DC/WB that turns everything they do into startling examples of how to make $300M look like shit.
I am astonished. How can they just keep making shit this bad? And somehow the critics, and I said this after Wonder Woman, which was MUCH better than this and actually as good as like bottom-third Marvel, have started giving pity-reviews, fooling me into thinking maybe there was some kind of slow recovery occurring.
But getting to the real points, it has the worst script... I mean, worse than my worst fears going in, the story when it's not simplistic beyond imagination, it's derivative beyond imagination (or just utterly lacking imagination: look, we're in Speed Racer, look, we're in National Treasure, look we're in The Bourne Identity, look, we're in Jurassic World...). The dialogue is atrocious when it isn't just minutes at a time of straight exposition. Which is how EVERY "character" in the movie is developed, not by action or story, but by exposition (he's bad, you're good). It's hard to say if it's horribly miscast (which I felt strongly it is, Patrick Wilson) because Laurence Olivier and Meryl Streep could have salvaged nothing from this dialogue; they even manage to make Willem Dafoe and Nicole Kidman look bad. The shocker is the effects. On this budget?! The green-screening is ubiquitous, I mean I don't think a single shot was filmed on a set or a location, and it's among the worst I've seen, almost burning your retinas with it's two-dimensionality. In general, the CGI is just slightly better than Justice League... which was the worst I'd seen in a tentpole film in ages...
I'm kind of at a loss for words. For it to make all the money it did, people had to go back and see it twice. And I can barely stand to watch it once. At least I sat through Justice League to see just how bad it could get, but having already seen it, I don't need to see how much worse this can.
Really, it's hard to believe that one studio, in one genre, has managed to produce the three worst theatrical release films I've seen in the last five years, but Aquaman, almost as good as its tagline, completes the trifecta.
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Post by Wooley » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:21 am

I've watched a bunch more movies since Aquaman, I just haven't had much motivation to write them up (although I wrote up The Deep in one of these threads a couple weeks ago).
But now I have a question for you guys:

"What Kurosawa should I watch next?"

Last year I finally watched my first Kurosawa, The Hidden Fortress, which I really enjoyed, although it was nothing like what I was expecting.
I have no idea what direction to go from here.
I always wanted to see Ikiru but I wouldn't mind another Samurai film (and I really liked Toshiro Mifune) so I thought maybe Throne Of Blood. Rashomon sounds really cool too. I would do Seven Samurai but a 3 1/2 run-time is daunting to someone with ADD.
So, whaddya recommend?
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Post by Wooley » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:24 am

Also, I have begun constructing my list for my Pre-Horrorthon (thrillers, cult-films, and the like) for September, for which there will be a new thread.
I'll post the Big List from which I'll pare down to a list of 25-30 here in the next week or so so I can get feedback from you guys and also just so we can have something else to talk about around this sleepy forum.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:25 am

Throne of Blood and Rashomon are both really great films. I'd recommend them without hesitation. Sadly though, I must confess that those are the only films I've seen from him.
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Post by A Fake Account » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:37 am

My highest recommendation for Kurosawa goes to Ran. Visually stunning, epic in scale in a way that even Seven Samurai isn't, I'd argue it's the summation of his whole career. It's a movie that on first viewing I think my jaw was hanging open the entire time. It's probably a top 10 movie for me.
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Post by Rock » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:41 am

Yojimbo and its sequel Sanjuro are both really entertaining and comparatively breezy and have more Mifune goodness.
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The Bad Sleep Well and Stray Dog for the Kurosawa underdogs
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Post by Takoma1 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:14 am

When it comes to Kurosawa:

Overall Favorites
High and Low
Seven Samurai

Best Thrillers
High and Low
The Bad Sleep Well
Stray Dog

Majestic
Ran
Throne of Blood
Rashomon

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The Hidden Fortress
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:27 am

Ya know, what I was afraid was gonna happen was that ultimately y'all would recommend most of his movies. And here we are. :D
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:28 am

I think I might do one more lighter Kurosawa, then go for Throne Of Blood or Rashomon or Ran.
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Post by A Fake Account » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:29 am

Wooley wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:27 am
Ya know, what I was afraid was gonna happen was that ultimately y'all would recommend most of his movies. And here we are. :D
I think I'm the only one who made it simple and gave you just one recommendation: Ran.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:34 am

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I think I'm the only one who made it simple and gave you just one recommendation: Ran.
You show off! :down:
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Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:34 am
You show off! :down:
You watch Ran too, dammit! Everyone watch Ran!
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:39 am

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You watch Ran too, dammit! Everyone watch Ran!
In time, I will. First, I need to start cracking on the short film recommendations I got.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:08 am

Ran, along with 2001 and Andrei Rublev, are the kinds of films I can't even believe human beings made. Yeah, everyone who hasn't watched it should immediately.

How terrible am I that Rashomon has never done much for me? Probably solidly in the middle of all the Kurosawa's I've seen. Yes, I know it's really terrible. But is it really really terrible?
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crumbsroom wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:08 am
How terrible am I that Rashomon has never done much for me? Probably solidly in the middle of all the Kurosawa's I've seen. Yes, I know it's really terrible. But is it really really terrible?
Depends who you ask.
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Rock wrote:
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Depends who you ask.
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Post by Rock » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:13 am

I need to revisit Ran as I've only seen it once (and remember thinking it was pretty great at the time, although I couldn't be arsed to articulate why now), but every time I take my copy off the shelf I remember how fucking annoying that I found that one character and back on the shelf it goes.
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You watch Ran too, dammit! Everyone watch Ran!
so is anyone else who also recommends he watch this film an also-ran.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:17 am

I recently rewatched Seven Samurai for the first time in about a decade and a half. It was one of the first foreign classics I ever saw and while I did love it, I consider it (and a few other seminal works like 8 1/2) as something of sacrificial lambs where I lacked the knowledge and context to truly appreciate them, but without having watched them, I may have never gone off the deep end with film.

This time, I couldn't help but watch SS through the lens of Spielberg, who watches it for inspiration before every film he makes. It's influence is palpable, from the shifting mise en scene in the long take dolly shots to the Capra-esque sentimentality that permeates most scenes that involve the sharing of rice (and the collectivist messages).

I'd waited this long to rewatch it due to the length and wanting to show my wife. She loved it as well.

That said, while not Kurosawa's "best," if I'm going to watch one of his films, it's going to be Yojimbo. The score, the action, the plot and the Mifune. Everything is pure, genre perfection.

Shout out to Sugata Sanshiro as an underdog.
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Post by Takoma1 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:54 am

Also, I think that Seven Samurai juts flies by. It does not feel like an overly long film to me.

I'm definitely overdue to rewatch Ran. Rashomon is fine, but it's the structure more than the story that sticks in my mind. High and Low and Seven Samurai, with their emphasis on story and character, are by far my favorites.
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:40 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:17 am
I recently rewatched Seven Samurai for the first time in about a decade and a half. It was one of the first foreign classics I ever saw and while I did love it, I consider it (and a few other seminal works like 8 1/2) as something of sacrificial lambs where I lacked the knowledge and context to truly appreciate them, but without having watched them, I may have never gone off the deep end with film..
I also had that experience with 8 1/2. Almost just as you describe. I probably wasn't "ready" for that film but if I hadn't watched it I wouldn't have moved into the deep-end of the pool.
Sure, I was already a movie fanatic that normal people couldn't believe all the films I'd seen and knew, but that was the gateway. Immediately following that it was Le Samourai, Bleu, Blanc, Bonnie and Clyde, The Third Man, Metropolis, My Dinner With Andre, McCabe And Mrs. Miller, The Maltese Falcon, The Seventh Seal, Sunrise, Annie Hall, Sunset Boulevard, Breathless, Don't Look Now, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, The Wild Bunch, Chungking Express, Un Chien Andalou, and the almost unbearably amazing Paris, Texas. One after the other.

Coincidental to our discussion in the Horrorcram, all of this is because I bought Roger Ebert's "The Great Movies" and enjoyed reading them so much I bought the second volume and then decided to start watching the films and, both because of his writing about the film and to challenge myself, I started with 8 1/2.
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Post by daakmore » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:49 pm

Seven Samurai one of those films that that make you question time, it says it's like 4 hours long, and certainly that time has elapsed when you check after seeing it, but it certainly never felt like that much time passed while watching it.

As far as Kurasowa goes, everything I've seen of his I enjoy, for me though the one I love more than the rest is Throne of Blood. It's such a fascinating and haunting take on "that Scottish play".
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I just thought I'd share this for no reason other than I think it's cool:
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Post by Apex Predator » Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:02 pm

High Noon was superb; Ebert got this one wrong.

An expert film on tension and how to create it, it also dives into the pacifism versus action/killing debate and even finds a (small) role for Lee Van Cleef.

What more can you ask more?

Saw The Seven Samurai a few years back and I thought it kind of got off to a slow start. But things picked up when Mifune's character shows up.

The runtime does fly by after a while. You don't notice how long it is and that's a good thing.

I've found plenty of short films that sucked and the majority of longer ones turned out just fine. It's all in what you use that time for.

Of the other Kurosawa that I've seen, I think Throne of Blood might work better for you. It's got some action, some violence (it's basically Kurosawa's MacBeth), and some drama.

Rashomon was fine, but it might depend on how much of the many clones of that one that you saw.

Would everyone kill me if I admit NOT hating the Suicide Squad? I saw the majority of the film with the sound too low to pick things up (it was a public place), but it felt borderline OK to me.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:49 pm

Apex Predator wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:02 pm
Would everyone kill me if I admit NOT hating the Suicide Squad? I saw the majority of the film with the sound too low to pick things up (it was a public place), but it felt borderline OK to me.
I won't kill you but it was unquestionably one of the worst big-budget films I've ever seen.
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Post by crumbsroom » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:06 pm

Apex Predator wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:02 pm

Would everyone kill me if I admit NOT hating the Suicide Squad? I saw the majority of the film with the sound too low to pick things up (it was a public place), but it felt borderline OK to me.
I am of the mind that it is never wrong to like anything.

Disliking things though, that should sometimes be punishable with something severe
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:30 pm

Yojimbo is the correct answer for Kurosawa apertif.
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Post by Wooley » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:18 am

Wow.
The Buster Keaton marathon on TCM was most enlightening and a genuine pleasure.
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As most of you know, this is the story of a Hollywood actor facing the real mid-life crisis that he may be a has-been and his trusty sidekick who is almost supernaturally tough and cool. It is mostly the story of the former’s journey, the latter’s wisdom, and their friendship. And then, there is also the story of how both intersect with one of the most horrifying events in Hollywood history.
To my great surprise, I felt the one thing, throughout this film, I would never have expected in a Tarantino film. I was bored. Really bored. So bored that, since I was the only person in the theater, I actually texted a friend to ask him if it was going to pick up because I didn’t know if I could just sit there through this incredible level of boredom for another hour and forty-five minutes. Couldn’t have imagined that going in. Fortunately, the movie picks up enough about an hour and a half in to have made me stay through it, because I think I ultimately did enjoy it, but also delivers pretty lightly on the promise and the ask of the audience.
There’s a lot to like in the movie, in little bits. Pitt, an actor I’ve never been particularly fond of but acknowledge he can be a great movie-star, shines brilliantly in a role that would be career-defining for someone who wasn’t already such a huge star. Cliff, as a friend of mine put it, makes you want to be tough and cool. DiCaprio, for whom my disdain is quite well-documented here and formerly on RT, gives just one hell of a performance, big enough to not only not be washed out by but to actually balance-out Pitt’s shine. Really, this is the best I’ve ever seen him and the one scene that is the acting centerpiece of the film for him is punctuated by a remark that really hits the nail on the head. And then there is Margot Robbie who hits the exact right notes in her nearly luminous portrayal of doomed starlet Sharon Tate. I completely forgot it was Robbie except when I pulled back to remark how good she was.
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Several smaller performances really stand out as well, particularly Margaret Qualley as Pussycat, who gives what I felt could be a star-making turn, so perfectly full of that childish version of worldliness that you can see in young people who lost their innocence too young but haven’t really learned anything about the world. And yet she radiates sexuality and even a bit of menace, without overselling either.
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I also thought Timothy Olyphant gave a strong performance in an essentially meaningless role. Many others were very good but seemed much more like stunt-casting so that Tarantino could wink at the audience, which he simply cannot restrain himself from doing. I have read many saying this might be Tarantino's "most mature" work yet, and that may be true, but he still has a little more growing up to do to deliver a film that is unmarred by his childish ego.
On the other hand, Tarantino shows an amazing feel for tone in this film as it actually shifts quite a bit from light and comic to nearly tragic to almost mystical and even takes a detour through a very convincing run at horror (at the end of one particularly long but effective scene, I really, really wanted Tarantino’s last film to be a horror movie). All of this was particularly rewarding as I (and many others) have felt his handling of tone in multiple recent films were very clumsy to the detriment of those movies.
As many have discussed the climax of the movie is a lot fun, but even with its extreme violence, it doesn’t seem satisfying enough for either the length of run-time it took to arrive or the subject-matter it takes on. The denouement helps with this some, giving the whole film, and history itself, a sweet and slightly magical turn.
Ultimately, this is good film, but I would not say a great one, enjoyable if you expect just to watch the players play their parts and not for the film to generate much motion or deliver much excitement. There’s a lot of time spent looking at an era in Hollywood through characters that are in it but not the kings of it and lots of little love-notes to the film, television, and culture of that time and place. Enjoyable but maybe over-long and over-slow, I’d watch it again, but maybe not the whole thing in one sitting.
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Post by Jinnistan » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:40 pm

I wasn't bored for a second.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:55 pm

To be fair, it's quite a bit slower than most of Tarantino's films which I've seen. However, I never felt impatient while watching it. The emphasis on slower, less plot-driven moments serves as an accurate depiction of how life usually is. I imagine it'll flow much smoother for me on a second viewing.
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Post by Slentert » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:08 pm

I'm planning on writing something about, and I haven't completely figured out how I feel about it (only saw the movie this afternoon), but I honestly think this is Tarantino's worst movie. Like everything I dislike in a Tarantino movie exaggerated and with almost none of the stuff I enjoy in his work. It feels so meandering, the characters are actually boring, only saved by the actors playing them. At the end I was wondering what the point of this film was. Why make this?
It's a fairy tale, sure, but for who?
That said, I'm the guy who thinks Death Proof is Tarantino's second best film, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Post by Wooley » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:29 pm

Slentert wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:08 pm
I'm planning on writing something about, and I haven't completely figured out how I feel about it (only saw the movie this afternoon), but I honestly think this is Tarantino's worst movie. Like everything I dislike in a Tarantino movie exaggerated and with almost none of the stuff I enjoy in his work. It feels so meandering, the characters are actually boring, only saved by the actors playing them. At the end I was wondering what the point of this film was. Why make this?
It's a fairy tale, sure, but for who?
That said, I'm the guy who thinks Death Proof is Tarantino's second best film, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Well, I don't totally disagree with you, I certainly agree with all your points. I would say that he actually left out a lot of the things I have not enjoyed in his recent films and that worked for me. And, as I said, I thought the performances were all very strong and, as you said, held up the film. But I felt like Tarantino did some of his best work in a film that was nowhere near his best. I place it... maybe SIXTH in his filmography?
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Post by Wooley » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:45 pm

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What a really, really enjoyable little weirdo romp, if you’re into this sort of thing. I know this didn’t work for everybody but it worked for me.
Really, this is the “story” of three small-town cops and an odd assortment of other characters dealing with their little corner of a world-wide Zombie Apocalypse. There is not much new there and there isn’t much new to the story as a whole. There is even the Dawn Of The Dead conceit that the zombies gravitate toward what they did in real-life, although Jarmusch carries it to a much more specific and, to me, funny place. What is new or new to me was the way the film is built around that simple, common story.
I have previously only seen one of Jarmusch’s films and that is Only Lovers Left Alive, which I absolutely loved. And now I have seen this one, and I really liked it as well. It’s kooky down to its bones in the sense that not only is the movie itself, the story and the dialogue and all, is quirky and avant-gardish...
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...but it is also quirky and avant-gardish in its contstruction, in the fact that the characters (at least some of them) know they are actors in a movie but also that they are still subject to the consequences of the script. I have never seen that before in a movie and it just tickled me pink.
The actors are just excellent in this film. Murray just owns his craft so effortlessly at this point, it’s just a pleasure to watch him or listen to him say anything. Chloe Sevigny seems to fit in perectly and is very amusing in her part, which is intriguing because it’s not clear whether she’s in on the joke or not for most of the movie. The surprise is the excellence of Adam Driver, and I don’t mean that he CAN be, we’ve seen that, repeatedly, but that he is now CONSISTENTLY one of the best actors in the game, regardless of the material. He is every bit the perfect sparring partner for Murray in this film. Tom Waites is perfect. But finally, there is the thunderclap in the middle of the movie, which, to no one’s surprise, is Tilda Swinton. Her character is THE thing that catapults the movie into a real specialness. And her performance is, like every one she ever does, unique and otherworldly.
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I saw this with friends who are big OLLA fans like myself and they enjoyed it in varying degrees, I think, but non of them as much as I, who felt all my expectations were met and some exceeded. There are some things that don’t work (perhaps specifically the running gag about the title-song) but I felt like they were mostly nits and that the film worked well enough and excelled in a lot of interesting ways. I've heard that some people found the movie boring, but I was not among them.
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