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Post by Rock » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:18 am

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It's like Easy Rider meets the Big Lebowski meets Spring Breakers.
2/3 ain't bad.
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Re: Wooley Watches Movies, Makes Thread

Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:29 am

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It's at the very least an island of two. It's like Easy Rider meets the Big Lebowski meets Spring Breakers. I once called it "the Tree of Life of stoner comedies" and stand by that.

My favorite little moment is in the opening when he playfully kicks a trashcan (Trashhumpers) then lovingly plays with a white cat (Gummo), which felt like Korine telling you from the get go that this wasn't going to make you miserable or uncomfortable; it's here to have a good time.
Well, ya know, I'd never seen a Korine movie and I didn't even look him up to see who he was or what he had done until the movie was over. So I had no sense that I might be in for something other than just what a passing glance at a poster or trailer might tell you. And it is so much more than that.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:37 am

Wooley wrote:
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Well, ya know, I'd never seen a Korine movie and I didn't even look him up to see who he was or what he had done until the movie was over. So I had no sense that I might be in for something other than just what a passing glance at a poster or trailer might tell you. And it is so much more than that.
I'm a pretty big Korine fan. I've only not seen Julien Donkey Boy. I wouldn't recommend Gummo or Trash Humpers to people despite admiring both as they're oppressively ugly films, sometimes literally ugly (TH was filmed on old camcorders).

I think that there's something infectiously watchable about everything he's made though so even when I may not like what I'm looking at, I can't take my eyes off it. It's an energy that few art filmmakers have and I'd be forced to liken him to someone like Herzog, with a penchant for white trash.

Mister Lonely seems to be where he started developing his playful side though it wasn't quite developed.

Spring Breakers is the film that really made me take notice and love his work. On it's surface, it's about privileged, largely white girls that go to Florida and commit crimes with a Riff Raff wannabe but like the Beach Bum, it's so much more than that. An irreverent, Malick-esque exploration of materialism and vacuous party culture. Rock hates it but he is most certainly wrong on this one.

If you love the Beach Bum, I'd give it's Skrillex tinged, angry sister a try before going into any more Korine.

That said, I think TBB may be my favorite Korine too. It's the cinematic equivalent of a delicious margarita and floating in a pool while listening to Van Morrison. I think I'll watch it again soon.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:16 am

Gummo has been an all-time favorite of mine ever since I watched it over two years ago. I'm surprised I haven't seen anything else Korine has done since then.
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Post by ThatDarnMKS » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:20 am

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Gummo has been an all-time favorite of mine ever since I watched it over two years ago. I'm surprised I haven't seen anything else Korine has done since then.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:29 am

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Sprang breeeeeaaaak. Foeva
I guess it's time to watch more stars I looked up to as a kid show me how grown up they've gotten.
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Post by Slentert » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:10 am

The Beach Bum is in my top three movies of this year (together with High Life and The Favourite). I saw it in a theater with a bunch of drunk college kids, who I hated at first, but that ended up being a perfect experience, somehow.

I wrote about the movie on my blog, if you don't mind the shameless self-promotion. :shifty:
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:02 am

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That said, I think TBB may be my favorite Korine too. It's the cinematic equivalent of a delicious margarita and floating in a pool while listening to Van Morrison. I think I'll watch it again soon.
I would say "It's the cinematic equivalent of a delicious margarita and floating in a pool while listening to Van Morrison, on a quarter hit of acid."
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:03 am

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Gummo has been an all-time favorite of mine ever since I watched it over two years ago. I'm surprised I haven't seen anything else Korine has done since then.
Then watch The Beach Bum.
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Post by Wooley » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:04 am

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The Beach Bum is in my top three movies of this year (together with High Life and The Favourite). I saw it in a theater with a bunch of drunk college kids, who I hated at first, but that ended up being a perfect experience, somehow.

I wrote about the movie on my blog, if you don't mind the shameless self-promotion. :shifty:
Shameless self-promotion is totally allowed, we all wanna have our work read, right?
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Post by Slentert » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:50 am

:up:

This is basically the same thing I wrote on my blog. This way it is easier to read without disturbing the flow of the conversation.
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The Beach Bum (2019)

Harmony Korine’s latest is deeply hilarious and seemingly goes nowhere in between. I was actually surprised how much I liked this one considering how it finds most of its humor in showing the sheer decadence of these rich, privileged people. The trailer of the movie suggests that Matthew McConaughey’s Moondog goes on some spiritual journey in an attempt to become a better person, while in fact that couldn’t be further from the truth. Moondog in this movie is a textbook example of someone failing upwards, who learns nothing in the process, does whatever the fuck he wants, and eventually gets rewarded for this. His so-called writing process of creating the next great American novel comes down to him jotting down some words on his typewriter once in a while in between a hangover and his afternoon nap, usually with some cocktail or a massive joint in his other hand.

And his actual poetry is mediocre at best, while his audience mostly exists out of people who don’t strike me as the kind that enjoys the art form, and who seem more amused by his whole clowns act rather than actually being appreciative of his writings. Moondog is like a cute, untrained puppy, the kind that people applaud because he only pooped on the stone floor instead of the expensive carpet. Korine seems to suggests that if you’re rich and confident enough of your own genius, people will tolerate everything you do and even praise you for it. He’s probably right about that.

This might sound like I was somewhat offended by this movie, which I certainly am not. I don’t even have any kind of disdain for the Moondog character, despite all the ways I previously described him. In fact, I actually had some mild admiration for him while watching this. Or jealousy might be a better word for it. I envy how he has seemingly found peace in this crazy, empty world, only allowing whatever brings him joy into his own personal bubble. "I’m a reverse paranoid. I’m quite certain the world is conspiring to make me happy." he says with a smile. Can you even imagine ever having such a carefree attitude towards everything in life?

There is something poetic about how Korine portrays this world of advantage and indulgence. You can almost describe it like a perverted feelgood movie. There is a weightlessness to it all. Like every moment your feet can leave the ground and you will float around in the air, going wherever the wind will take you, dancing in between the pink clouds.
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Post by Apex Predator » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:47 pm

ThatDarnMKS wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:13 am
It's at the very least an island of two. It's like Easy Rider meets the Big Lebowski meets Spring Breakers. I once called it "the Tree of Life of stoner comedies" and stand by that.

My favorite little moment is in the opening when he playfully kicks a trashcan (Trashhumpers) then lovingly plays with a white cat (Gummo), which felt like Korine telling you from the get go that this wasn't going to make you miserable or uncomfortable; it's here to have a good time.
Well, that's two out of three (yet to see Easy Rider).

How does this compare to Surfer, Dude in the shirtless surfer philosopher subgenre?
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Post by Wooley » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:47 am

Slentert wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:50 am
:up:

This is basically the same thing I wrote on my blog. This way it is easier to read without disturbing the flow of the conversation.
Ya know, it sounds like we both liked the movie but for very different reasons; I read the film very differently from you.
My take on Moondog was that it turned out, despite all appearances to the contrary, that he was a genius after all, both in talent and philosophy, and that, after persevering, by way of his utterly unshakeable, Taoist-like approach to life, through enough hardships that might fell so many others or at least shake them of their philosophy, his adherence to his philosophy carried him through, his willingness to do what he must while still being true to himself, and his genius was realized again, first in actual success and then in the way he not only did not let success alter his philosophy, he actually used it to carry his philosophy to an even grander place. I found it transcendent.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:18 pm

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Well, we were all just grabbed by this.
The General came on during the Buster Keaton marathon earlier this month and I had muted the TV while some other film was on and I had friends over but when this came on we couldn’t help it, it just sucked us in and we kept watching and then we kept trying to stop and just hang out but the movie just kept pulling us in and eventually we just had to give in to it.
I had not watched any Buster Keaton films (I felt like I knew all about Buster Keaton, but had never actually watched any of his films in their entirety) in my life and I watched about 2 1/2 that day, and had the others going in the background the whole day, and I gotta tell ya, I was pretty taken. I mean, I couldn’t believe how great it was and how great he was and I also watched TCM’s short biography on him and I’m just kind of a fan now.
This film in particularly just kept hitting us with scene after scene, great shots, amazing stunts, unbelievable set-pieces as far as we could tell.
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I mean, it’s like you think you know movies until you really go back and watch some of the earlier stuff and then you realize so many influences on the work that you know. Now these were not my first silent films, I’ve seen many, but this was really such obviously hugely influential work, like I say, we just kinda stopped and marveled at it.
This film in particular was just striking at every turn and really special. It is hard to imagine that it was a critical and box-office flop at the time and basically was a stake through the heart of his career, especially now that it is considered one of the greatest films ever made.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:43 pm

I actually watched that for the first time just yesterday. I was planning on writing something on it this weekend, but here you go stealing my thunder and all. :x All kidding aside, it's easily one of the most entertaining films I've seen in years. In addition to multiple standout shots and stunts which managed to make my jaw drop despite being over 90 years old, I also picked up on some nuanced character moments after I read Ebert's review where he described Johnnie Gray as a man who takes himself seriously. I rewatched the first 10 minutes and I was quite impressed at how much the way I initially viewed that section had changed. Several moments such as Gray kicking the two kids out of Annabelle's house, cutting in front of people while attempting to get drafted, and the famous shot of him sitting on a moving train began to take double meanings. I imagine I'll get more out of it the second time around.
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Post by Slentert » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:51 pm

I saw The General on the big screen earlier this year. It was a kiddie Matinee, so I was surrounded by five year olds. We all loved it. Not the funniest Keaton I've seen, but it was an unexpected thrilling watch. I guess you could call it an early example of an action comedy.
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Post by Wooley » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:19 am

Slentert wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:51 pm
I saw The General on the big screen earlier this year. It was a kiddie Matinee, so I was surrounded by five year olds. We all loved it. Not the funniest Keaton I've seen, but it was an unexpected thrilling watch. I guess you could call it an early example of an action comedy.
The train and bridge collapsing just blows my mind. Apparently the most expensive scene in film history up to that point.

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Post by Slentert » Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:37 am

Wooley wrote:
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The train and bridge collapsing just blows my mind. Apparently the most expensive scene in film history up to that point.

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You should watch Buster Keaton's short One Week (1920) if you want to watch some more insane stunt imagery.
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Post by Captain Terror » Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:13 pm

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Oh.
My.
God.
Every time I think the DCEU can't possibly make another historically atrocious film... that they have to - even accidentally - make something that isn't complete dogshit on the level of Ultraviolet but without the excuse of being a low-budget attempt at sci-fi... they prove that it doesn't matter who they put in charge, it doesn't matter who they cast, and it doesn't matter what they spend, there's just something in the fucking WATER at DC/WB that turns everything they do into startling examples of how to make $300M look like shit.
I am astonished. How can they just keep making shit this bad? And somehow the critics, and I said this after Wonder Woman, which was MUCH better than this and actually as good as like bottom-third Marvel, have started giving pity-reviews, fooling me into thinking maybe there was some kind of slow recovery occurring.
But getting to the real points, it has the worst script... I mean, worse than my worst fears going in, the story when it's not simplistic beyond imagination, it's derivative beyond imagination (or just utterly lacking imagination: look, we're in Speed Racer, look, we're in National Treasure, look we're in The Bourne Identity, look, we're in Jurassic World...). The dialogue is atrocious when it isn't just minutes at a time of straight exposition. Which is how EVERY "character" in the movie is developed, not by action or story, but by exposition (he's bad, you're good). It's hard to say if it's horribly miscast (which I felt strongly it is, Patrick Wilson) because Laurence Olivier and Meryl Streep could have salvaged nothing from this dialogue; they even manage to make Willem Dafoe and Nicole Kidman look bad. The shocker is the effects. On this budget?! The green-screening is ubiquitous, I mean I don't think a single shot was filmed on a set or a location, and it's among the worst I've seen, almost burning your retinas with it's two-dimensionality. In general, the CGI is just slightly better than Justice League... which was the worst I'd seen in a tentpole film in ages...
I'm kind of at a loss for words. For it to make all the money it did, people had to go back and see it twice. And I can barely stand to watch it once. At least I sat through Justice League to see just how bad it could get, but having already seen it, I don't need to see how much worse this can.
Really, it's hard to believe that one studio, in one genre, has managed to produce the three worst theatrical release films I've seen in the last five years, but Aquaman, almost as good as its tagline, completes the trifecta.
So I ignored lots of advice and watched Aquaman last night and we're mostly in agreement here. Some bullet points:

* Agreed about the exposition, and this is something I normally don't notice in films. Like the first half hour just felt like people telling me stuff.
* Another thing I rarely notice is when a score is really disjointed. But this one was sometimes orchestral, sometimes sounded like Giorgio Moroder, and when somebody was acting badass a rap beat would show up and at one point there was a rock song that sounded like Evanescence or something.
* I'll admit I liked the way a lot of this looked, in terms of set design (not that there were sets, but you know...) creature designs, etc. Unfortunately, the movie is 2-1/2 hrs long which means there's also plenty of room for stuff that looked terrible. And by "terrible" I mean like the Attack of the Clones' "actor's disembodied head superimposed onto a cartoon" effect.
* At one point during the Battle of the Five Armies, having long since stopped caring, I suddenly thought "Wait-- wasn't this movie about Manta about 3 hours ago?". Why was he in this? I get that he's the traditional arch enemy, but he was irrelevant to this story. An Aquaman vs Manta movie should have been completely separate from a War of Atlantis movie. Delete his story and this one might've been a more manageable 1:45 or so.
* Speaking of Manta, I'm always pleased when a character's costume makes it to the screen unaltered, but this guy just looked like a villain from Infra-Man.
* Amber Heard's performance (her fault), and her dialogue (not her fault), did nothing to convince me that Aquaman would be in any way drawn to her, other than the fact that she was a "pretty lady roughly his age". There was nothing there to make me care if they got together at the end.
* I haven't been a fan of Momoa's "Aqua-dude" in the previous films, but in this setting his charisma and humor was more welcome, given the dreary stuff he had to play against (Patrick Wilson). This might sound like a compliment but what I'm actually saying is "That guy I don't like was my favorite character."

On the plus side, I got to watch Willem Defoe ride a hammerhead shark so it wasn't a total loss.
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Post by Wooley » Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:55 am

Captain Terror wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:13 pm
So I ignored lots of advice and watched Aquaman last night and we're mostly in agreement here. Some bullet points:

* Agreed about the exposition, and this is something I normally don't notice in films. Like the first half hour just felt like people telling me stuff.
* Another thing I rarely notice is when a score is really disjointed. But this one was sometimes orchestral, sometimes sounded like Giorgio Moroder, and when somebody was acting badass a rap beat would show up and at one point there was a rock song that sounded like Evanescence or something.
* I'll admit I liked the way a lot of this looked, in terms of set design (not that there were sets, but you know...) creature designs, etc. Unfortunately, the movie is 2-1/2 hrs long which means there's also plenty of room for stuff that looked terrible. And by "terrible" I mean like the Attack of the Clones' "actor's disembodied head superimposed onto a cartoon" effect.
* At one point during the Battle of the Five Armies, having long since stopped caring, I suddenly thought "Wait-- wasn't this movie about Manta about 3 hours ago?". Why was he in this? I get that he's the traditional arch enemy, but he was irrelevant to this story. An Aquaman vs Manta movie should have been completely separate from a War of Atlantis movie. Delete his story and this one might've been a more manageable 1:45 or so.
* Speaking of Manta, I'm always pleased when a character's costume makes it to the screen unaltered, but this guy just looked like a villain from Infra-Man.
* Amber Heard's performance (her fault), and her dialogue (not her fault), did nothing to convince me that Aquaman would be in any way drawn to her, other than the fact that she was a "pretty lady roughly his age". There was nothing there to make me care if they got together at the end.
* I haven't been a fan of Momoa's "Aqua-dude" in the previous films, but in this setting his charisma and humor was more welcome, given the dreary stuff he had to play against (Patrick Wilson). This might sound like a compliment but what I'm actually saying is "That guy I don't like was my favorite character."

On the plus side, I got to watch Willem Defoe ride a hammerhead shark so it wasn't a total loss.
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I have an idea. How about you go fuck yourself, Ivan?
Aw man, did that shit turn up in my thread too! Motherfucker.
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Aw man, did that shit turn up in my thread too! Motherfucker.
Fuck it, bro. Have a drink on me.
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Death Proof wrote:
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Fuck it, bro. Have a drink on me.
Thanks, man.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:56 am

I have to say this, from time to time, and I say it again now, for Alita: Battle Angel...
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I have seen a lot of bad movies... and now I have seen this one.
Oh my god is this movie awful. I mean it's really bad. I am stunned by that sort of underground sentiment that seemed to well up that this was actually somehow an overlooked gem (yes, I've actually seen that written on the interwebs). Make no mistake, this movie is truly bad on nearly every level. It's only saving grace being that the actors did not actually choke to death on-screen on the awful, terrible dialogue, if 2 continuous hours of exposition can be called dialogue.
Truly, the script is a disaster. The story, such as it is, is whisked though so briskly as to barely register. Something City In The Sky... something poorer people (I guess) down below... something something war something... cyborgs something something... something bounty hunters (?!)... evil plot something... Mars - seriously, fucking Mars?! - something... Rollerball rip-off something?... horribly rushed and cliche teen romance?... what the actual fuck is the bullshit-ass script?
And that's just the story, the dialogue is embarrassing. I felt genuinely bad for the actors. At least for Christoph Waltz. What I take away from this film, other than a new standard for bad films, is that Christoph Waltz apparently needs work badly. Mahershala Ali (who somehow manages to come through this unscathed) is still ascending and therefore has to ride the vehicles he can, so he gets a pass here. And who knows what the fuck Jennifer Connelly was doing in this. But Waltz is here just to lend a famous face and familiar voice to the endless exposition, his character's only function being to explain what the CGI is doing to the audience. Has he already sunk so low?
I also have to comment on the tone and pacing of this film. Is this a young-adult sci-fi franchise attempt, a la Divergent or is this a bloody, gritty fantasy for adults? The film can't decide from one scene to the very next. Nauseatingly bad teen romance one moment? Teenager literally cut in half on-screen the next. Two murders occur out-of-frame? No worries, teen hero beheads enemy in-frame a few minutes later. And the pacing... ugh... the movie rushes through every moment so quickly that there are no moments. 30 minutes into the movie I felt like I was already in the sequel. I couldn't understand how the movie could possibly still have an hour and a half to go. All a blur, no time for any of the feelings we are supposed to understand and accept to have ever actually evolved and barely time enough to squeeze all that shit above from the script onto the screen.
Really, this movie is probably worse than Ready Player One, which is the first movie I thought of while watching this godawful mess. And that movie is a godawful mess with a terrible script, forced emotions, bad pacing, and shitty dialogue. To really get to how bad this movie is, you kinda have to imagine a teen version of Aeon Flux made for the social-media generation.
When judging CGI actioners (and by the way, what I wouldn't give to see one goddamn set in an action movie again instead of painfully Uncanny green-screens), I at least have a new standard of bad to compare them to, letting RPO, Aquaman, Justice League, and even Suicide Squad off the hook.
Ok, maybe not Suicide Squad. :P
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Sorry for your pain, Wooley. Don't give up.
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Post by Death Proof » Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:20 pm

I was neutral on Alita, but there was one thing that bugged me.

They decided to give her those giant anime eyes. Okay. So why does NO OTHER CHARACTER have giant eyes like that? Either go the whole nine or don't do it at all.
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Post by Wooley » Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:48 pm

Death Proof wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:20 pm
I was neutral on Alita, but there was one thing that bugged me.

They decided to give her those giant anime eyes. Okay. So why does NO OTHER CHARACTER have giant eyes like that? Either go the whole nine or don't do it at all.
If that's the only thing that bothered you, you did a lot better than I did.
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Wow. I loved this. Didn't see this coming at all.
Humphrey Bogart plays a man just escaping from San Quentin Prison where he has been incarcerated for the murder of his wife. After a brief encounter on the road, he is picked up by a mysterious woman (Lauren Bacall) who knows exactly who he is and seems to want to help him... but for what purpose? With no real choice but to accept her help, he begins a bizarre journey, with unnervingly perceptive cab drivers, back-alley plastic surgeons, murder, stalkers, unnervingly perceptive cops, and one serious bitch, perhaps to his freedom, but just as possibly to his own end.
There is a lot to like in Dark Passage, from Director Delmer Daves' decision to shoot much of the movie in first-person P.O.V. to avoid showing the main-character's face, to a great noir vibe, to the sense of WTF is actually going on here as the story takes one bizarre turn after another, to the strong central performances from Bogart and Bacall.
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This is only the second of the four films they made together that I've seen but their legendary chemistry is so obvious the movie practically drips with it. Bacall is amazing. She's just 22 years old in this film (to Bogart's 46) but she has an astonishing magnetism and a real, I hate to use the word but, maturity to her work. It's really something to watch.
Anyway, here's another noir and another "classic" that has totally delivered for me.
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I was neutral on Alita, but there was one thing that bugged me.

They decided to give her those giant anime eyes. Okay. So why does NO OTHER CHARACTER have giant eyes like that? Either go the whole nine or don't do it at all.
People in the book also have normal eyes compared to her chunky globes. Something about her being from Mars and people having bigger eyes there.


Fricken loved Alita the character, personally. I wish the movie wasn't that YA, but she made it super worthwile.
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People in the book also have normal eyes compared to her chunky globes. Something about her being from Mars and people having bigger eyes there.


Fricken loved Alita the character, personally. I wish the movie wasn't that YA, but she made it super worthwile.
I will at least agree with you that Alita was the only good thing about the movie. It was otherwise absolutely abysmal... I mean, I saw Cats today and Cats is a much better movie than Alita: Battle Angel.
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I saw Cats today and Cats is a much better movie than Alita: Battle Angel.

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Well, it was better than The Rise Of Skywalker, which I also saw today, better than Justice League, better than Suicide Squad...
Yes RoS deserves to be mentioned with those films. Whereas Cats... eh, it succeeded, IMO, in being what it was trying to be. If people aren't into that, eh, I'm not sure "I just don't like it" is real criticism.
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Afraid I haven't seen this one yet, but I have seen a couple of other Bogie/Bacall collabs, including The Big Sleep, which I wrote something about some time ago, where I found the plot to be unnecessarily convoluted (one of my bigger film pet peeves), but the movie on a whole was still pretty entertaining, mostly due to a combination of the snappy dialogue and the strong screen presence of the central couple, of course; ever seen it?
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Post by Rump » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:09 pm

Whoa... someones badmouthing Alita!!!
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:42 pm

Rump wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:09 pm
Whoa... someones badmouthing Alita!!!
Not bad-mouthing so much as reporting what I saw. Which was terrible. As bad as anything I've seen in a while.
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Post by Wooley » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:02 pm

Stu wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:25 am
Afraid I haven't seen this one yet, but I have seen a couple of other Bogie/Bacall collabs, including The Big Sleep, which I wrote something about some time ago, where I found the plot to be unnecessarily convoluted (one of my bigger film pet peeves), but the movie on a whole was still pretty entertaining, mostly due to a combination of the snappy dialogue and the strong screen presence of the central couple, of course; ever seen it?
I read The Big Sleep but haven't seen the film, but I am aware that the plot suffered from having to basically re-write the whole thing because of the content of the book and the Hays Code. I remember, as I was reading the book, thinking "How the hell did they film this? They'd have to change damn near everything!"
In the book, the events of the plot take place within the underworld of illegal pornography. Like that's the context of all the crime that takes place including the central murder. So all of that had to be changed. The book has plenty of nudity, homosexuality, bondage-porn, adultery, and people not seeing "justice", all of which were big no-noes with the Hays Office, so the whole thing had to be reworked. They had to tone down Bacall's character because she's really a bad person in the book and not redeemable in any way, she's just not as bad as her sister. The resolution of the plot is also changed so that the story can meet Code. I've read that the plot in the book is considered "convoluted" also with Chandler admitting even he wasn't sure of one aspect of it, but I felt like it made as much sense as it needed to and was a very satisfying story.
I will watch the movie eventually, and I suspect it will be easier to take it on its own terms knowing they changed so much.
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Fun for Wooley.
Really, these kinda things are so me, having sat and watched Fiend Without A Face and Day Of The Triffids and The Creature Walks Among Us and god knows what else I can't even remember on Creature Feature (the sci-fi half, before the Hammer movies would come on) back in the late 70s.

This is one of the better ones, based on a Ray Bradbury story treatment, with a less conventional story and theme for its time, directed by the man who would bring us Creature From The Black Lagoon the very next year, of course, memorialized in the opening number in The Rocky Horror Picture Show ("Science Fiction Double Feature"), "...Then, at a deadly pace, It Came From Outer Space...", and known to me growing up as one that had endured and my mom had remembered seeing when she was a kid. So I was excited to revisit it after what must be 40 years. I was not disappointed. Although I know how to enjoy these films, which is almost a skill.
ICFOS begins with a man, John, coming home from work to his fiancee, Ellen (not his wife, I honestly thought this was fairly ribald for the time), where they live in a nice little house out in the desert outside of Sandy Rock, Arizona. Isolated. No one around for miles.
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John is an amateur astronomer and begins his casual evening star-gazing... when a meteor flies out of the sky and crashes nearby. Or is it a meteor?
When John investigates, he finds something very different than he expected...
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...but after a rockslide covers up the entire... thing... who will believe him?
The answer, of course, is no one, as John is labeled a crackpot and ostracized. Even Ellen is unsure what to believe, despite her love and trust for him. But when townsfolk begin disappearing, the stakes are upped and John and Ellen race to discover if an alien race is murdering or doing god knows what to the people of the sleepy town of Sand Rock. And when the missing townsfolk reappear... but all with a less than familiar demeanor... John and Ellen aren't quite sure what to think. Until they meet one of the hideous alien creatures in person...
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Clearly an open-and-shut case of alien invasion and human enslavement or perhaps even the beginnings of genocide... or is it. Remember, this is a Bradbury story and it's quite possible that still not everything is as it seems, especially as things just keep getting weirder and weirder...
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And that's all I'm going to say about the plot.
The bottom-line is that this is a fun little 50s Sci-Fi diversion that is not exactly what you'll be expecting. Even if its story and theme are highly tropish now, this was not so in 1953, and if you have the skill of being able to project yourself back to the time when a film was made, you will almost certainly enjoy this one. Even if you don't there's lots of fun to be had from the better-than-expected special effects, the cool monsters, and the very Twilight Zone vibe that the film carries throughout. And it is fun to recognize a very early incarnation of the trope that the movie ultimately defines being defined in real time. It's a nice subversion of the most common theme in sci-fi at the time. There's no doubt a lot of later writers and filmmakers grew up on this movie and it probably has more influence than people realize, although even the Encyclopedia Britannica refers to it as a "seminal film".

Bonus tidbit: The alien "monsters" in this film were chosen from two designs submitted to the studio. The one that made it in this film was clearly the right choice for the movie, but the other one didn't fare so badly either:
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Although if I have one criticism of This Island Earth... it's the pants.
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Post by Captain Terror » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 pm

Nice! I also haven't seen that in ages. I was a big enough fan at one time that I had this poster on my wall for a few years as a teen:
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But yeah, definitely one of the "good ones".
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Although if I have one criticism of This Island Earth... it's the pants.
LOL, amen! (I didn't know that bit of trivia by the way)

I just watched one yesterday called Beyond the Time Barrier. Seen that one?
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Post by Wooley » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:34 am

Captain Terror wrote:
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Nice! I also haven't seen that in ages. I was a big enough fan at one time that I had this poster on my wall for a few years as a teen:
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But yeah, definitely one of the "good ones".


LOL, amen! (I didn't know that bit of trivia by the way)

I just watched one yesterday called Beyond the Time Barrier. Seen that one?
I was actually gonna use the poster but I feel like the horizontal posters of old movies, when available, just visually fit the widescreen format of our forum better so I use them when they're original and available.

I didn't know that bit of trivia either until today when I did my usual research for my write-up.

I have not seen it, any good?
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Wooley wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:34 am
I was actually gonna use the poster but I feel like the horizontal posters of old movies, when available, just visually fit the widescreen format of our forum better so I use them when they're original and available.

I have not seen it, any good?
I actually prefer the poster you used, because the eyeball has some sort of slime shooting out of it. :)

I enjoyed Beyond the Time Barrier, but it's not the kind of thing I can recommend to just anybody. It's WAY low-budget, there's a certain cheez factor, dodgy acting, etc. So your average viewer would probably struggle to sit through it. For us enlightened folks who can look past such things, however, the story isn't bad. The script was just writing checks the budget couldn't cash, if you know what I mean.
So for example, exterior shots are done with obviously-painted backgrounds. If you're like me, and think that 1950s sci-fi landscapes are cool, this won't be a problem for you.
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It's about a test pilot who's attempting to break a speed record and as a result finds himself in the year 2024 where he finds a society of haves and have-nots. I'll just leave it at that so as not to spoil anything, but yeah I thought the story was decent.
Of course there's the expected cheesy stuff. While all men are now wearing jumpsuits and boots, all women are wearing miniskirts and high heels. There's the "beautiful lady requires male stranger for breeding purposes" angle, etc.
Anyway, I dug it. It's directed by Edgar G Ulmer, by the way, and available on Prime.
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Post by undinum » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:43 pm

Time Barrier is rad. I love Ulmer's weirdly poetic Man from Planet X, too. He really worked wonders out of nothing at all.

Lotsa good stuff on this page, Wooley! Looking forward to more classic sci-fi posts.
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Post by crumbsroom » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:46 pm

If I recall correctly, Strange Illusion is a good Ulmer cheapie as well.
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Post by Captain Terror » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:12 pm

undinum wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:43 pm
I love Ulmer's weirdly poetic Man from Planet X, too.
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Strange Illusion is a good Ulmer cheapie as well.
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Post by Jinnistan » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 pm

It's worth reminding that another little Ulmer gem is Daughter of Dr. Jekyll, if only because there's little else about that film that would seem enticing.

I bet both Wools and Cap'n watched It Came From Hollywood in the 80s.
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Post by Captain Terror » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:11 am

Jinnistan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 pm
It's worth reminding that another little Ulmer gem is Daughter of Dr. Jekyll, if only because there's little else about that film that would seem enticing.
Yes, I went in with zero expectations and ended up liking it a good bit.
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I bet both Wools and Cap'n watched It Came From Hollywood in the 80s.
Many times. Monster movies and John Candy, like I'm NOT gonna watch that? Haven't thought about that in ages.
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Post by Wooley » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:34 am

undinum wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:43 pm
Time Barrier is rad. I love Ulmer's weirdly poetic Man from Planet X, too. He really worked wonders out of nothing at all.

Lotsa good stuff on this page, Wooley! Looking forward to more classic sci-fi posts.
Thanks, I have all kinda shit, I'm like 25 movies behind.
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Post by Wooley » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:38 am

Jinnistan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 pm
It's worth reminding that another little Ulmer gem is Daughter of Dr. Jekyll, if only because there's little else about that film that would seem enticing.

I bet both Wools and Cap'n watched It Came From Hollywood in the 80s.
Holy fuckballz, I forgot this existed. Wow, memories.
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Post by Death Proof » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:11 pm

Jinnistan wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 pm
It's worth reminding that another little Ulmer gem is Daughter of Dr. Jekyll, if only because there's little else about that film that would seem enticing.

I bet both Wools and Cap'n watched It Came From Hollywood in the 80s.
I was always a fan of Terror in the Aisles, too.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:24 am

Death Proof wrote:
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I was always a fan of Terror in the Aisles, too.
I watched that like 100 times.
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