Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

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Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:29 pm

Saturday, October 12, 2019
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Prospero's Books (Peter Greenaway, 1991)
An exiled magician (John Gielgud) finds an opportunity for revenge against his enemies muted when his daughter (Isabelle Pasco) and the son of his chief enemy (Mark Rylance) fall in love in this uniquely structured retelling of the 'The Tempest'.


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#2 - The Territory (1981, Raul Ruiz, Portugal) | Rock
#3 - Wake In Fright (1971, Ted Kotcheff, Australia) | Popcorn Reviews
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#5 - Fat Girl (2001, Catherine Breillat, France | Oxnard Montalvo
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#7 - Hunger (1966, Henning Carlson, Den/Swede) | Popcorn Reviews
#8 - Eden and After (1970, Alain Robbe-Grillet, France) | Jinnistan


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#1 - La maternelle (1933, Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein, France) | wigwam
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#3 - Clean, Shaven (1993, Lodge Kerrigan, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
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#1 - The Worthless (1982, Mika Kaurismäki, Finland) | snapper
#2 - Shopping for Fangs (1997, Quentin Lee and Justin Lin, USA) | takeshi
#3 - The Heart of the Wise Lives in the House of Sorrow (2009, Marin Malešević, Serbia) | Shieldmaiden
#4 - The Forbidden Quest (1993, Peter Delpeut, Netherlands) | kopello
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#6 - Evdokia (1971, Alexis Damianos, Greece) | Epistemophobia
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:30 pm

as always drop me a PM if you need help finding this one
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:02 pm

I'll be there.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Jinnistan » Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:10 am

I'll be happy to rewatch this one.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:08 pm

I should warn everyone that I am not much of a Shakespeare buff so I can't give any scintillating insights on how I felt this does or does not improve the text.

I have seen Forbidden Planet but that's not the same thing
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:39 pm

I can't promise much, but I'll try to fill in any Shakespeare blanks. I read the play not too long ago.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:03 pm

I read it a couple years ago. I'm sure some details have slipped my mind, but I'd say I have a fairly good understanding of the play.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by LEAVES » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:05 pm

Don’t worry, this is not an adaptation of the play.

How boring that would be!
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:43 pm

Don't worry, LEAVES is joking.

Maybe.

It is an adaptation of the play.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by LEAVES » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:47 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:43 pm
Don't worry, LEAVES is joking.

Maybe.

It is an adaptation of the play.
I certainly never listen to anything that the old man is saying - and he speaks every line of dialogue for every character, unlike the actual play - and there’s very little about the film that you would find in a faithful adaptation of the play. To say that it is an adaptation seems a bit too strong. It’s perhaps more accurate to say that the play is a jumping off point, or, perhaps better, “The words of the play are read as Greenway ignores all stage directions and does whatever the hell he wants anyway.”

After all, a huge part of the film is elements slightly mentioned in the play, like the books, that Greenaway takes as a central figure. And then there’s the opera, and the digital trickery, and the processions that are moving tableaus, and the fact that Greenaway’s film is all in the mind of Prospero...

Really, all you have to know is this:

Shakespeare’s play is called The Tempest.

Greenaway’s tempest is a small child urinating on a model ship. It’s not an adaptation, it’s an improvement!
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Shieldmaiden » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:43 pm

LEAVES wrote:I certainly never listen to anything that the old man is saying
John Gielgud, performing Shakespeare. :(

Other than that, I mostly agree. Yes, it's great! But strange, creative, personal, crazy adaptations are still adaptations. And if you were to read the play/listen to the words you'd find it's all there in the tableaux and split screens and processions and urinating!
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:36 am

I may nor may not watch this tomorrow due to some unexpected real-life drama that just came up but I will get to it eventually.
friend of mine who has been in fragile health since was 5 just got admitted to the hospital, don't know anything else as of now but I'm hoping I'm just overreacting. he better be okay 'cause I'm not watching El Camino without him.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:25 am

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:36 am
I may nor may not watch this tomorrow due to some unexpected real-life drama that just came up but I will get to it eventually.
friend of mine who has been in fragile health since was 5 just got admitted to the hospital, don't know anything else as of now but I'm hoping I'm just overreacting. he better be okay 'cause I'm not watching El Camino without him.
Sorry to hear that. Best of luck to you with it.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:38 am

thanks. I'm only worried because they usually don't tell me about every single health scare (because it's not like it's my business); I might just be getting this news so I know not to go over his house tomorrow for our scheduled playdate (fingers crossed).

EDIT: yeah, I'll be seeing y'all next weekend at the earliest. sorry about all this
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:53 am

This would be a good film to revisit in the future if I reread the play, because I feel like I would've gotten more out of it if the events of the play were fresh in my mind. Some sequences which I remembered well such as the ship sinking in the opening stuck out quite a bit as bizarre and inventive while other scenes which I didn't remember quite as well had a somewhat similar effect except that I wasn't feeling those scenes quite as deeply as I was with other portions of the film. However, I'd like to point out that this isn't meant as a critique towards the film. It definitely has a clear effect which is akin to Greenaway leaving the story of the play as it is, yet providing his own weird and crazy take on it. I can't deny this effect. If I rewatch this one down the road (which wouldn't be a bad idea), I imagine I'll feel this effect to a much larger degree, so please take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by crumbsroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:59 am

Is this the movie where you get to finally see John Gielgud's dick?

Or did I only imagine such a movie exists?
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:02 am

Thankfully, no.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:34 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:02 am
Thankfully, no.
I'll pass.
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:48 am

crumbsroom wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:34 am
I'll pass.
To be fair though, there's about a couple hundred or so other penises in the film, so one of them has to make up for Dielgud's absence.
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Post by crumbsroom » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:58 am

Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:48 am
To be fair though, there's about a couple hundred or so other penises in the film, so one of them has to make up for Dielgud's absence.
There are not enough penises in the world...
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #9: Prospero's Books (Sat. 10/12)

Post by Jinnistan » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:15 am

If John Gielgud exposed his penis in a film, would anyone know? Would anyone have more than a vague impression? The man is head-to-toe skin and shaft.

I mean, Dudley would find a way to let you know. Probably.
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