Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

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Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:02 pm

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Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Elo Havetta, 1969)
Letterboxd wrote:One of the lead characters is Maria (Hana Slivková), an inn keeper; always a bride but never a wife. She meets the newcomer Pierre (Slavoj Urban), who disturbs the peace of the small village and teaches the locals how to enjoy life. The film is full of fireworks of lovely colours, and a warm feeling. It is like a carousel of humour and human situations that carry us away, from the very first frame to the unexpected ending, making the viewer laugh gaily. Using a mosaic approach to the traditional narrative line, the film director creates a picture of fairly anarchic glee. “Celebration in the Botanical Garden” is a world of fantasy, full of summer fun, good humour and delight. E. Havetta´s debut was inspired by naïve art, French impressionism, and silent slap-stick as well as Western Slovakian folk traditions.

Past Trips, Senior Year:

#1 - Ex Drummer (2007, Koen Mortier, Belgium) | Slentert
#2 - The Territory (1981, Raul Ruiz, Portugal) | Rock
#3 - Wake In Fright (1971, Ted Kotcheff, Australia) | Popcorn Reviews
#4 - Night Must Fall (1964, Karel Reisz, UK) | Captain Terror
#5 - Fat Girl (2001, Catherine Breillat, France | Oxnard Montalvo
#6 - Marseille (2004, Angela Schanelec, Germany) | Oxnard Montalvo
#7 - Hunger (1966, Henning Carlson, Den/Swede) | Popcorn Reviews
#8 - Eden and After (1970, Alain Robbe-Grillet, France) | Jinnistan
#9 - Prospero's Books (1991, Peter Greenaway, United Kingdom) | Oxnard Montalvo
#10 - At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul (1964, José Mojica Marins, Brazil) | Popcorn Reviews


Past Trips, Junior Year:

#1 - La maternelle (1933, Jean Benoît-Lévy & Marie Epstein, France) | wigwam
#2 - Time and Winds (2006, Reha Erdem, Turkey) | Oxnard Montalvo
#3 - Clean, Shaven (1993, Lodge Kerrigan, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
#4 - Diabeł (1972, Andrzej Żuławski, Poland) | Oxnard Montalvo
#5 - Black Friday (2004, Anurag Kashyap, India) | Rock
#6 - Schizopolis (1996, Steven Soderbergh, USA) | Slentert
#7 - Hearts and Minds (1974, Peter Davis, USA) | Popcorn Reviews
#8 - Xtro (1982, Harry Bromley Davenport, UK) | crumbsroom
#9 - The House (1997, Šarūnas Bartas, France) | Oxnard Montalvo
#10 - Spider-Baby (1967, Jack Hill, USA) | Slentert
#11 - Oh Lucy! (2017, Atsuko Hirayanagi, Japan/USA) | Shieldmaiden
#12 - The Heartbreak Kid (1972, Elaine May, USA) | Jinnistan

Past Trips, Sophomore Year:

#1 - The Worthless (1982, Mika Kaurismäki, Finland) | snapper
#2 - Shopping for Fangs (1997, Quentin Lee and Justin Lin, USA) | takeshi
#3 - The Heart of the Wise Lives in the House of Sorrow (2009, Marin Malešević, Serbia) | Shieldmaiden
#4 - The Forbidden Quest (1993, Peter Delpeut, Netherlands) | kopello
#5 - São Bernardo (1972, Leon Hirszman, Brazil) | Bandy Greensacks
#6 - Evdokia (1971, Alexis Damianos, Greece) | Epistemophobia
#7 - The Ball at the Anjō House (1947, Kōzaburō Yoshimura, Japan) | snapper
#8 - Sérail (1976, Eduardo de Gregorio, France) | takeshi
#9 - Passport for a Corpse (1962, Mario Gariazzo, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#10 - Aksuat (1997, Serik Aprimov, Kazakhstan) | Shieldmaiden
#11 - Dangerously Excited (2011, Koo, South Korea) | wigwam
#12 - Himala (1982, Ishmael Bernal, Philippines) | snapper

Past Trips, Freshman Year:

#1 - Distant Journey (1949, Alfréd Radok, Czechoslovakia) | snapper
#2 - Nanami: The Inferno of First Love (1968, Susumu Hani, Japan) | Das
#3 - The Policewoman (2003, Joaquim Sapinho, Portugal) | charulata
#4 - Freeze, Die, Come to Life! (1989, Vitali Kanevsky, USSR) | Bandy Greensacks
#5 - The Perfume of the Lady in Black (1974, Francesco Barilli, Italy) | Trip
#6 - Weddings and Babies (1958, Morris Engel, USA) | snapper
#7 - The Man with Three Coffins (1987, Lee Jang-ho, South Korea) | Notes from Underground
#8 - Malina (1991, Werner Schroeter, Germany) | Shieldmaiden
#9 - Bad Luck (1960, Andrzej Munk, Poland) | B-Side
#10 - The Girl with the Suitcase (1961, Valerio Zurlini, Italy) | JediMoonShyne
#11 - The Engagement of Anna (1972, Pantelis Voulgaris, Greece) | BandyGreensacks
#12 - Our Neighbor, Miss Yae (1934. Yasujirō Shimazu, Japan) | snapper
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:04 pm

LEAVES wrote:
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...but why Daisies when all of the Czechoslovak films listed in this post are better than Daisies, and most of them satires or black comedies?

I know why - because you spent your time watching Jarmusch instead of better filmmakers lolololol ZING
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:47 pm

I'll be there.
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

Post by LEAVES » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:21 am

My mom liked it!

This 'year' has featured three of my favorite films, and last year 2. Good selection!
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:33 am

LEAVES wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:21 am
My mom liked it!

This 'year' has featured three of my favorite films, and last year 2. Good selection!
aye it's no accident. a while ago you linked to your favorite movies list, I put a bunch on my queue and now I'm using the Class Trips as an excuse to burn through them.

occasionally I'll find a list and run down every entry as a way to expose myself to new movies, not sure if anyone else does the same. so as long as I'm not turning movie-watching into a game of Pokemon.
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Post by LEAVES » Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:10 pm

Well everyone should watch this month because it’s a straight comedy, easy to watch, and delightful. No emotional terrorism included!
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:26 pm

not gonna lie, I struggled a bit with this one. would I have needed a better understanding of the socio-political climate in Czechoslovakia to get a better handle on the movie? a more canonized work like Daisies I can get a better sense of, the way its zany, surreal aesthetic acts a rebuke to the Communist environment it was made under. that was my best guess as to why this movie was the way that it was but I still had a hard time latching on to the story or its characters. maybe then I would have had a better idea why that guy left the village at the end.

also, I not saying it is necessary for me to understand the politics of the time to “get” old and/or foreign movies. but in this case, it might have helped.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:07 pm

I don’t think this film has anything to do with the political climate of its time. Not all films made today are explicitly about Trump. Birds, Orphans, and Fools very much is, on the other hand...

I think the film relies much more on styles of theater and humor that are not exactly in fashion or touchpoints for most American comedy, but luckily the film’s allusions are very explicit (including the opening Lumierre allusion). The link below explains those parts better.

http://www.cineast.lu/2014/detail.php?id_filmy=214

I’ll rewatch it and post some thoughts.

My immediate thought, though, is: This is a film where a girl walking a tightrope falls, and then the film reverses, and she continues to walk the tightrope. Realism is not at the forefront. But, then, of course, she does die, and there is a funeral procession... but it’s not a dramatic scene in the film. How do you even categorize her character’s role in the film? A living symbol, really, but also one that exists in the reality of the rest of the characters’ lives - but they are equally unable to rectify her existence in their lives as we are in the film. A tightrope walking Brechtian fourth-wall-breaker? One of many elements that defy common conventions.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:19 pm

see I was watching her and thinking "is this symbolic of anything?" which I know is a dreary way to watch movies.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:53 pm

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
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see I was watching her and thinking "is this symbolic of anything?" which I know is a dreary way to watch movies.
The answer is, “Probably.” Do you need to figure out what she symbolizes in each scene? Probably not. You could wait until after the film, I’m sure. Unlike a strictly serious film, if you aren’t having fun then you’re missing the point even if you understand the all of the subtext, I think. The text is gleeful and playful, and the subtext is secondary, to me. In fact, the story is probably secondary and the subtext tertiary. First and foremost is the creativity.
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Post by Macrology » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:43 am

I was planning to post that link. It's a good read, especially considering there's such a scarcity of information about this film online.

Also a quote from the film's screenwriter (this is Google translated from the Slovak Wikipedia, but even so it's pretty concise and elegant):
"The means we chose are the means of a naive fresco and carousel scraps, some of the atmosphere of Renoir and Chagall's paintings, the balance between naivety, banality, sentiment, pathos and grotesque."

I think that word fresco is really useful (or we could think of it as a mosaic), and the influence of Chagall is telling. While there is a narrative burbling somewhere under the surface of this film, it feels more like an assemblage of incidents, characters, lyrical interludes, and carnivalesque outbursts. I found the very loose narrative hard to grasp while watching, although its general thrust and themes are becoming more apparent to me in retrospect (the link LEAVES posted helped). Even so, it's more reminiscent of a collage, cobbling together elements from the early days of cinema (especially the playfulness of the 20s avant-garde and silent movies), the wry formal tricks of the New Waves, the rhythms of Slovak village life, and the musical and theatrical traditions of Slovak folk culture - which, based the short time I spent there and my admittedly limited exposure to Slovak art, is steeped in the pastoral.

I agree with LEAVES that there's no over-arching point, no grand statement it's trying to make. It's just a film embedded in a distinctly Slovakian vernacular. I wouldn't say that it's a protest film, in the way that Daisies is clearly a rebuke to the system, but one could argue that its spirit is rebellious in its total disregard of the system. In the sense that In the Realm of the Senses is a silent condemnation of Japan's censorship laws and view of pornography, this film rejects Soviet socialist realism just by comfortably inhabiting a radically different alternative.

On that note, the DVD rip I watched has this morsel of information, which speaks volumes:
"Regardless of its artistic qualities, a special commission of the Slovak Ministry of Culture banned Celebration in the Botanical Garden in the 1970s. The verdict said: 'Although the picture is not politically harmful, it appears useless.'"
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Re: Corrie Class Trip 4.0 #11: Celebration in the Botanical Garden (Sat. 1/04)

Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:28 pm

thanks for the link, LEAVES
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I agree with LEAVES that there's no over-arching point, no grand statement it's trying to make. It's just a film embedded in a distinctly Slovakian vernacular. I wouldn't say that it's a protest film, in the way that Daisies is clearly a rebuke to the system, but one could argue that its spirit is rebellious in its total disregard of the system. In the sense that In the Realm of the Senses is a silent condemnation of Japan's censorship laws and view of pornography, this film rejects Soviet socialist realism just by comfortably inhabiting a radically different alternative.
that was some of the impression I got so maybe I wasn't that far off. or I was at least like, "this is way sillier than Intimate Lighting".
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On that note, the DVD rip I watched has this morsel of information, which speaks volumes:
"Regardless of its artistic qualities, a special commission of the Slovak Ministry of Culture banned Celebration in the Botanical Garden in the 1970s. The verdict said: 'Although the picture is not politically harmful, it appears useless.'"
that is interesting
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:53 pm

Sorry for the delay. I'll watch this one tonight for sure.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:36 am

also that link helped me clear up my interpretation of the ending. I figured it was less "fuck this garbage I'm out" and more the character satisfying a desire to chart a new path, newly awakened by the gaiety brought to the village by the Frenchman. (just as CitBG is exploring new ideas on what a movie can be)
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:22 am

Thank you Ox for sending me the file for this one.

I finally got around to this one, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I found it to be a really unique and jolly experience with all the creativity flowing throughout it. Like the rest of you, I don't think it's necessary to read a political message out of the film and that it works just fine when you simply pay attention to the creativity and feel the power of the various scenes. In addition, I can't quite put my finger on it, but due to the occasional upbeat set pieces and lively moments which occasionally burst out of calm or lifeless moments, it sometimes feels like the film occasionally enters a dreamlike portrayal of the village due to the eccentricities and occasional touches of surrealism (the aforementioned tightrope walker's death or the scene with a man floating towards a woman while suspended on a clearly noticeable rope). I also agree that the ending's purpose is to represent the character starting a new life upon the reawakening he felt in the village.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:17 pm

whoever does the next movie will have the final movie for “Senior Year” but obviously we can do this forever if y’all want (people go to grad school all the time!). or some thread where I can be forced to watch a movie a month
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:43 pm

Does anyone other than Ox and I want to go next (as we've both done a few threads this section)? It doesn't appear that Leaves and Mac have hosted one of these threads. Or, someone else could jump in.

As for your other statement, I'd be fine with doing more of these threads if enough people want them, or we could do something else if someone has an idea.
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Post by Macrology » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:36 pm

I only recently started keeping tabs on these, so I'm not totally clear on the protocol, but I'd gladly host one. Do I just pick a film and follow the previous format?

Are there any restrictions? I assume I can't pick we've already done, and that something obscure/underappreciated is preferred?
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:43 pm

preferably something you haven't seen and if it is obscure/underappreciated then it is likely most of us will not have seen it as well. though other people have done movies they have already seen, so that first point is really no big deal. not a lot of strict rules beyond that.
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Post by Macrology » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:18 am

Gotcha. Sounds good. I have a couple films I own and haven't watched yet, and a few bookmarked on KG. I might field two or three options if that's allowed.
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Macrology wrote:
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I might field two or three options if that's allowed.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:52 pm

another thing: you can schedule the viewing day at any day of the week but I've always done Saturdays 'cause those are the days I'm most likely to be free.
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Post by Macrology » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:29 pm

Word. I'll probably do Saturday.

I'm contemplating Nacer Khemir's Wanderers of the Desert, a Tunisian film from 1984, or Miklós Jancsó's Silence and Cry, a Hungarian film from 1968.

The first I'd be going into blind, not having seen any of Khemir's other work. But after seeing Godard's The Image Book and reading up on it, I bookmarked a lot of Arabic cinema mentioned in the film and corresponding reviews. This one appears to be a magical realist rendition of Arabic fables and folklore. It's also the first film of a trilogy. (This one is a freeleech on KG.)

I own a copy of Silence and Cry via Secondrun, though I haven't watched it yet. Based on Jancsó's earlier work from that period, this will be an austere political drama composed almost entirely of long takes. It runs 83 minutes (Wanderers runs 95 minutes.)

Any thoughts?
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:24 pm

I was able to locate a copy of Wanderers of the Desert, but I don't know if I'd be able to get a hold of Silence and Cry, unless someone else knows of an easy way to obtain it.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:19 am

I can get both but I'm thinking I should do Wanderers since I've already seen some Jancso and these trips should be about exposing myself to as many new movies as possible.
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Post by Macrology » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:20 am

Let's do Wanderers, then. I'll download it now and pick a date. . . soon. Should it be in January or February, or does it matter?
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:28 am

Just whenever you have some free time I suppose. For instance, next week if that works for you.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:11 pm

bump

I have Wanderers of the Desert on my computer but if you don't have time I can host a different one and we can do Wanderers another time or something.
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Post by Macrology » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:53 am

Sorry, it's been a busy few weeks for me. I can't host this weekend, but I could probably do next weekend if that works for y'all.
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no prob
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Works for me
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