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Post by MadMan » Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:04 am

I am going to try this again. It is a new year, so time for film watching again. Also I want to hit 200 movies this year. I know that's not much, but it's a start.

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MadMan wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:04 am
I am going to try this again. It is a new year, so time for film watching again. Also I want to hit 200 movies this year. I know that's not much, but it's a start.
Do you have any lists or themes that you're going with, or just wanting generally to watch more films?
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:55 pm

Good luck with it. My sci-fi thread went down with RT and I haven't made one since, but I'll be reading this one.
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Post by Apex Predator » Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:05 pm

Looking forward to seeing this one.
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Post by Torgo » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:31 pm

Can't wait for you to tear into some awful, mediocre films.
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Post by MadMan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:56 am

Takoma1 wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:21 pm
Do you have any lists or themes that you're going with, or just wanting generally to watch more films?
I want to go through my large stack of movies I bought over the last two years that I have not watched. Also October is always horror movie month for me.
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Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:55 pm
Good luck with it. My sci-fi thread went down with RT and I haven't made one since, but I'll be reading this one.
Make a new one here. Doooo it!
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Apex Predator wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:05 pm
Looking forward to seeing this one.
Thanks.
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Post by MadMan » Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:58 am

Torgo wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:31 pm
Can't wait for you to tear into some awful, mediocre films.
I usually loathe mediocre films, and yet I see too many of them.
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topherH wrote:
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I just came for the drugs
I can't afford drugs. Only booze.
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Films suck!

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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:23 pm

MadMan wrote:
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Make a new one here. Doooo it!
Maybe I will someday. I just need to find the right motivation to do so.
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Post by Wooley » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:04 pm

MadMan wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:04 am
I am going to try this again. It is a new year, so time for film watching again. Also I want to hit 200 movies this year. I know that's not much, but it's a start.
Looking forward to this.
And 200 is not much? Do you have a job? ;)
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MadMan wrote:
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I can't afford drugs. Only booze.
Ohhh, okay.
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Thief wrote:
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Films suck!

(Do it!)
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Popcorn Reviews wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:23 pm
Maybe I will someday. I just need to find the right motivation to do so.
DOOOOO IT! WOOOO!
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Wooley wrote:
Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:04 pm
Looking forward to this.
And 200 is not much? Do you have a job? ;)
I have a 40 hour a week job. I have only seen 5 movies this month, though.
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Post by MadMan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:37 am

The Peacemaker (1997, Mimi Leder)



Sure The Peacemaker is a fast paced, flashy and simple (read: dumb) 1990s action movie. However this is my big dumb blockbuster kind of action movie. Funny enough the terrorism plot, the Russian connection, and the threat of nuclear weapons being smuggled doesn't seem too far fetched these days. Unlike many of the other 1990s action movies Mimi Leder focuses on blowback from one of the US' foreign actions and makes the movie's villain a bit more sympathetic than others would.

Maybe this is because it was in the hands of a woman director. Or perhaps it was an effort to make something a bit more different than the average thriller. It helps that George Clooney and Nicole Kidman have marvelous chemistry together. Too bad they never made another movie-I would have liked to have seen them in a decent franchise. Some of this movie reminded me of one of my favorite shows, 24, especially concerning the Balkans subplot.

For some reason Netflix has a lot of 1990s action movies, and they bring back memories of my younger days when I was enjoying tons of explosions and lots of violence. Also before I spent my time reading up on America's awful foreign policy, which clouds my enjoyment of many an action thriller. Oh well. The war propaganda machine marches on and on...
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Post by Wooley » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:47 am

MadMan wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:12 am
I have a 40 hour a week job. I have only seen 5 movies this month, though.
I can attest that 200 movies in a year is no small potatoes if you work full time and have any other interest than movies outside of work.
As far as I can see I did something like 120-140 movies last year and that's at about double the next-highest person I know in real life.
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Post by Thief » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pm

I saw The Peacemaker back when it came out and remember liking it quite a bit. Not sure how it would fare now, but I've thought about rewatching it several times.
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Post by Death Proof » Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Wow... Peacemaker. Lost in the annals of 90's action flicks. Tried to take advantage of Clooney's big swinging E.R. dick to sell the movie.

Don't think I ever saw it, but I remember the previews. Guess I'll have to give this one a try.
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MadMan wrote:
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DOOOOO IT! WOOOO!
Maybe. We'll see. Kinda tempted to.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:16 pm

I agree that that is a mediocre film. Mediocrity. That's what it is.
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Wooley wrote:
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I agree that that is a mediocre film. Mediocrity. That's what it is.
Correct.
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Post by Apex Predator » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:45 pm

From what I hear, The Peacemaker didn't try to make Clooney and Kidman a couple. Is that right?
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Post by topherH » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:46 pm

Heh, must have been a sight that Clooney E.R. Dick.
Maybe that's what birthed Batman & Robin.
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Post by Death Proof » Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:47 am

topherH wrote:
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Heh, must have been a sight that Clooney E.R. Dick.
Maybe that's what birthed Batman & Robin.
Same year, I think.

*checks*

Yep - Peacemaker and Batman & Robin came out in 1997. Definitely taking advantage of Clooney's E.R. success. Can't say I blame them, but it's a shame B & R was god-awful.
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Wooley wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:47 am
I can attest that 200 movies in a year is no small potatoes if you work full time and have any other interest than movies outside of work.
As far as I can see I did something like 120-140 movies last year and that's at about double the next-highest person I know in real life.
I watched 130 movies easily last year. I don't have a life, though.
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Thief wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pm
I saw The Peacemaker back when it came out and remember liking it quite a bit. Not sure how it would fare now, but I've thought about rewatching it several times.
I give it an 8/10 so I do like it.
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Apex Predator wrote:
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From what I hear, The Peacemaker didn't try to make Clooney and Kidman a couple. Is that right?
The last scene goes for it. I imagine Tom Cruise had a say since him and Kidman were a thing back in the 1990s.
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Post by topherH » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:10 pm

MadMan wrote:
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I watched 130 movies easily last year. I don't have a life, though.
I live Fairly quite life, 100-120 new watches a year is decent without over indulgence.
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Post by MadMan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:11 am

After Nameless told me in the YMCA thread he only watched 11 or less films last year 130 feels pretty good.
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Post by MadMan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:23 am

Patriot Games (1992, Philip Noyce)



While I prefer the book, I rather liked Patriot Games as a movie adaptation. Harrison Ford is rather good as Jack Ryan, playing him as the likable everyman who in this cases angers a faction of the IRA. He quickly learns that by interfering in a matter that really was none of his business he has dragged the people he loves into a violent conflict. So yeah, typical American blundering although I can't blame Ryan for saving people's lives even if they are members of the royal family.

Also Sean Bean is great at playing both good and bad guys, and here he is relentless in his quest for revenge. This movie started the whole "Harrison Ford's family is in danger so he has to save them" cliche that Ford ended up trapped in by the end of the decade. I was also surprised that Samuel L. Jackson was in this movie-I usually don't look at the credits pre-movie because sometimes they can be unintentionally full of spoilers. Richard Harris also pops up along with James Earl Jones.

I liked this one the best out of the Jack Ryan films I have watched, which is all of them save for the Chris Pine one and the TV show. Tom Clancy is fairly conservative so what you get is right wing cinema where things are black and white, for the most part. In the real world it's always shades of gray.
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Post by Stu » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 am

Never saw Shadow Recruit (although, of course, I heard it wasn't very good), but out of all the other Ryan adaptations, The Hunt For Red October is the only one I really like; The Sum Of All Fears was surprisingly clunky, and Patriot Games & Clear And Present Danger tried too hard to turn the series into fairly generic Harrison Ford action/thrillers. Hunt, on the other hand, was McTiernan working at the peak of his powers (I like it a little better than Die Hard, even), with an unbelievable amount of tension sustained throughout its entire runtime; the torpedo evasion sequence alone, man...:

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Post by MadMan » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:38 am

Nevermind Red October is better. Not sure why I forgot about that one.
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Post by Thief » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:57 pm

So far, the thread is meeting the expectations of mediocrity, by which I mean that this is another film I remember liking back when I was a teen, but haven't seen in a looooooong time and can barely remember a scene or two (the opening shootout and the Ryan's hiding in a coast house near the end? bad guy on a boat? was it Willem Dafoe? Was James Earl Jones in it? *shrug*)
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Post by topherH » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:09 pm

MadMan wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:11 am
After Nameless told me in the YMCA thread he only watched 11 or less films last year 130 feels pretty good.
My goal is 20 not counting rewatches that are just there to serve as background noise.
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topherH wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:10 pm
I live Fairly quite life, 100-120 new watches a year is decent without over indulgence.
I'm trying for 120 this year.

Reached that level 3 years ago. Two years ago, slid to 100 and last year it was 94.
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Post by Wooley » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:07 pm

Stu wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:15 am
...and Patriot Games & Clear And Present Danger tried too hard to turn the series into fairly generic Harrison Ford action/thrillers. Hunt, on the other hand, was McTiernan working at the peak of his powers (I like it a little better than Die Hard, even), with an unbelievable amount of tension sustained throughout its entire runtime; the torpedo evasion sequence alone, man...:

100.
Alec Baldwin is easily the best Jack Ryan and Hunt is easily the best Tom Clancy movie.
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Thief wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:57 pm
So far, the thread is meeting the expectations of mediocrity, by which I mean that this is another film I remember liking back when I was a teen, but haven't seen in a looooooong time and can barely remember a scene or two (the opening shootout and the Ryan's hiding in a coast house near the end? bad guy on a boat? was it Willem Dafoe? Was James Earl Jones in it? *shrug*)
LOL, was right about Jones, was wrong about Dafoe (It was Sean Bean). I just remembered the scene where Bean sees his brother killed in the opening shootout.
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Post by Stu » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:22 am

MadMan wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:38 am
Nevermind Red October is better. Not sure why I forgot about that one.
Probably because, unlike the rest of the series, it's actually good.

:D
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100.
Alec Baldwin is easily the best Jack Ryan and Hunt is easily the best Tom Clancy movie.
Well, I wouldn't quite give it a 100, but it is an easy 90 at least, and Baldwin is indeed the best Ryan (the only thing I would've changed about his characterization would be his backstory about being a former Marine who got severely injured during training, as I felt Alec was too bookish and fresh-faced an actor at the time to buy that level of toughness and world-hardened experience from; I would've had no problem believing it with Ford's Ryan, the one advantage he had over Baldwin in the role). Besides that little nic-pick, though, he was pretty much perfect otherwise, as far as I'm concerned.
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So far, the thread is meeting the expectations of mediocrity, by which I mean that this is another film I remember liking back when I was a teen, but haven't seen in a looooooong time and can barely remember a scene or two (the opening shootout and the Ryan's hiding in a coast house near the end? bad guy on a boat? was it Willem Dafoe? Was James Earl Jones in it? *shrug*)
DItto; I think I only saw it once about a decade-&-a-half ago, thought it was fine enough, and then barely gave it a second thought since then, much like the other Jack Ryan movies that came after it (although I did like the ambush scene in Clear & Present Danger). And James Earl Jones was in it (he was the only real point of continuity between the first three Ryan movies, sort of like Michael Gough's Alfred in the original Warner Bros. Batmans), but that bad guy on the boat was Sean Bean, who, of course, died:



I remember reading Ebert complaining about how inappropriately "Indiana Jones"-y that scene felt, which ties back in my point about how the Ford movies turned the series into vanilla action-ers (with the boat fight, Games might as well just be an accidental prequel to Air Force, haha), while Sum had the opposite problem, as it wasn't nearly thrilling enough; Red October, on the other hand, was the "just right" Goldilocks point of the series, without the endless technobabble that gummed up the novel, and with a lot of scenes like this that never fail to send a surge of excitement up and down my spine, but without trying to force too much unnatural testosterone into the proceedings... which is ironic, considering how it was directed by one of the biggest Action directors of the times, although he did like putting a bit of a subversive spin on the genre, with the way that Die Hard is famous for bringing the Action movie back down to earth after the genre had such a ridiculous decade throughout the 80's, and even Predator provided Arnie an opponent who gave him some real trouble, as opposed to the way he just blasted through everyone like a lot of the other movies he was doing at that time. What can I say, McTiernan just had that golden touch for a little while there (before he suddenly lost most of it, but what can you do?).
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:DWell, I wouldn't quite give it a 100, but it is an easy 90 at least, and Baldwin is indeed the best Ryan (the only thing I would've changed about his characterization would be his backstory about being a former Marine who got severely injured during training, as I felt Alec was too bookish and fresh-faced an actor at the time to buy that level of toughness and world-hardened experience from; I would've had no problem believing it with Ford's Ryan, the one advantage he had over Baldwin in the role). Besides that little nic-pick, though, he was pretty much perfect otherwise, as far as I'm concerned.DItto;
I meant what you said was 100% true and accurate.
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I meant what you said was 100% true and accurate.
Oops, heh; I do know some people who love it that much (apparently, the narrator for stupid CinemaSins has it as his 2nd favorite movie of all time, unfortunately), but the consensus on it does seem to vary widely depending on which source you're using; the lowest average I've seen for it is the 7.2 it gets on Letterboxd (boo!), all the way up to freaking 9.6 on Amazon (yay!), and, while I get why not everyone would be into it, considering how many moving parts there are to its plot, and how constantly "busy" it is in that regard, that never bothered me. In fact, that's part of why I like it so much, since I felt like McTiernan did a great balancing act of making the ever-evolving logistics of the situation clear by doing things like giving each sub its own individual scheme of background lighting (blue for the Red October, green for the Konovalov, red for the Dallas), while also not overly dumbing things down to us and holding our hands unnecessarily. It's the kind of movie you have to pay a certain amount of attention to in order to follow it, and not one you can just "zone out" on, but I just found it so taut and thrilling in the first place, I had no problem staying engaged with every new development, which is why I love it as much as I do.
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