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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:25 pm

god dammit, there was supposed to be a lull in cases for the summer months. give us time to get ready for autumn.

Nameless, I will not be mad if your government imposes a travel ban on US citizens.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:29 pm

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:25 pm
god dammit, there was supposed to be a lull in cases for the summer months. give us time to get ready for autumn.

Nameless, I will not be mad if your government imposes a travel ban on US citizens.
Despite my vitriol and sense of warning, I'm deeply concerned about all of the American friends on here.
I'm sure the bulk of you know that, er, if you want to lay low in BC you can likely get across the border under the pretense that you are going to Alaska :shifty:
I hate saying things like this and knowing that I'm not necessarily joking. It's maybe impossible to make light of this stuff, it's an absolutely horrid period of human history
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:31 pm

Like, how far I've gone is basically blinking at "38k cases" in America before going to nightmare filled bed. It wasn't surprising to me, and that's the worst feeling. Like, oh, that was your worst day yet? Makes total sense, ugh
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:36 pm

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Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:29 pm
Despite my vitriol and sense of warning, I'm deeply concerned about all of the American friends on here.
I'm sure the bulk of you know that, er, if you want to lay low in BC you can likely get across the border under the pretense that you are going to Alaska :shifty:
I hate saying things like this and knowing that I'm not necessarily joking. It's maybe impossible to make light of this stuff, it's an absolutely horrid period of human history
I have a high-school acquaintance currently living in Florida. during our conversations on social media he has expressed support for a herd immunity strategy and harshly criticized the criticism of Trump (e.g. mentioning the virus's disproportionate impact on non-white Americans and its possible influence on Trump's response prompted a "shame how the left panders with race"). I've seen people post the Plandemic conspiracy video, champion Sweden's response, share memes about people becoming hospitalized for breathing in their own carbon dioxide due to mask-wearing, etc. one person shared a piece about the lockdown's impact on mental health and I ought to be sympathetic given my own experiences with voluntary isolation. however there wasn't much about the risk of worsening the mental health crisis if the re-openings were to be mishandled and we end up with a larger death toll (as the author's only prescription was to re-open). also the headline was likely not accurate either.

I don't engage with all of it, really just the stuff that comes on my own social media page. but just to read it is very exhausting. I don't blame you for feeling frustrated at watching our country burn itself down.
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:38 pm

I really ought to be using this time to do more reading/movie watching or at least go for a bike ride but the motivation just isn't there.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:45 pm

My best advice is sympathy and not losing your ears over opposing sentiment... when times are especially tough, they become attached to the leader's guidance who is... in my very strict opinion... doing about all he can to mitigate the American psychology while, er... yeah, I can't go too far with this thought process but I'm not entirely convinced that America has any other option but to bite the bullet and just... be careful if you can. You know what's up, attend to your own bubble, and try not to let it all get to you. I'm doing my best trying to peel away from the narrative but damn it's hard. It feels like I've won the lottery when I sit down and do something brainless for a bit
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:50 pm

When it comes to Covid, it's hard to call anyone a murderer, even the sentiments such as politicizing the mask... the mask idea straight up doesn't work, BC understands this, it's 100% voluntary which means that only certain businesses can get away with proper safety measures. The mask only works when everyone is wearing one and, dammit, I walked through a grocery store today and only two of us were adhering to social distancing guidelines. It's really hard to gauge people's awareness level when it comes to Covid so many places get hit with "too little too late" syndrome because many are not as technologically entwined as we are. You just can't get mad, you can only be careful and, again, tend to your bubble
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:36 am

The Nameless Two wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:45 pm
My best advice is sympathy and not losing your ears over opposing sentiment... when times are especially tough, they become attached to the leader's guidance who is... in my very strict opinion... doing about all he can to mitigate the American psychology while, er... yeah, I can't go too far with this thought process but I'm not entirely convinced that America has any other option but to bite the bullet and just... be careful if you can. You know what's up, attend to your own bubble, and try not to let it all get to you.
I still wish I had been working in the same warehouse as my former co-worker and we could have schemed to get him on paid leave. I asked one of the managers of the other warehouse why he was working during the pandemic and the manager said that my ex-co-worker kept working because he needed the money. he hadn't even crossed my mind until I found out he had passed.

and at the risk of sounding like a brain-dead communist I can only hope we leave this crisis with some lessons on the limits of America's individualistic exceptionalism. even if Trump wasn't president, I could still see us messing up.
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:36 am
I still wish I had been working in the same warehouse as my former co-worker and we could have schemed to get him on paid leave. I asked one of the managers of the other warehouse why he was working during the pandemic and the manager said that my ex-co-worker kept working because he needed the money. he hadn't even crossed my mind until I found out he had passed.

and at the risk of sounding like a brain-dead communist I can only hope we leave this crisis with some lessons on the limits of America's individualistic exceptionalism. even if Trump wasn't president, I could still see us messing up.
As much as Trump is easy to blame, it definitely boils down to the overall structure of how businesses are run... that being a pyramid. I believe in even distribution and that the head is run via committee. It's hard to communicate this without being a communist, so I do believe in being compensated for one's effort. If someone is picking up another's slack, maybe the pay should reflect that. Incredibly difficult situation to balance. I'm sorry about what I assume is your loss, did this co-worker pass away?
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:09 pm

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:40 am
As much as Trump is easy to blame, it definitely boils down to the overall structure of how businesses are run... that being a pyramid. I believe in even distribution and that the head is run via committee. It's hard to communicate this without being a communist, so I do believe in being compensated for one's effort. If someone is picking up another's slack, maybe the pay should reflect that. Incredibly difficult situation to balance. I'm sorry about what I assume is your loss, did this co-worker pass away?
it was a blood clot, not sure if it was covid-related but I can't help but think about ways it could have been avoided.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:19 pm

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:09 pm
it was a blood clot, not sure if it was covid-related but I can't help but think about ways it could have been avoided.
I understand this sentiment. Disclaimer, trying not to make this about myself, I've had plenty of therapy in my time

One of my good friends collapsed in a McDonalds parking lot and died via brain injury in the hospital. Massively troubled person, part of me feels guilty for not calling for some sort of intervention where the other part feels like it was inevitable. Within a month my roommate died in a plane crash. They both shared the same age and birthday. Life's strange, it's best not to get too involved because coulda woulda shoulda can ruin someone if you are not careful, especially in this day and age. Try and tend to your bubble, these are extraordinary times and I'm not saying that to the point of being overwhelmed. It's hard to maintain one's zen, it's why I created a personal ranting thread to just vent when I need to under the impression that not a whole lot of eyes are looking upon me. I can't carry this stuff into my day to day interactions so my best suggestion is to find tools to help manage your stress. I'm always close if you need interaction, I'm happy to lend my time when I can
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:46 pm

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:19 pm
I understand this sentiment. Disclaimer, trying not to make this about myself, I've had plenty of therapy in my time

One of my good friends collapsed in a McDonalds parking lot and died via brain injury in the hospital. Massively troubled person, part of me feels guilty for not calling for some sort of intervention where the other part feels like it was inevitable. Within a month my roommate died in a plane crash. They both shared the same age and birthday. Life's strange, it's best not to get too involved because coulda woulda shoulda can ruin someone if you are not careful, especially in this day and age. Try and tend to your bubble, these are extraordinary times and I'm not saying that to the point of being overwhelmed. It's hard to maintain one's zen, it's why I created a personal ranting thread to just vent when I need to under the impression that not a whole lot of eyes are looking upon me. I can't carry this stuff into my day to day interactions so my best suggestion is to find tools to help manage your stress. I'm always close if you need interaction, I'm happy to lend my time when I can
in an odd way, being at work is a somewhat effective release from any stress. or at least being in motion, constantly power-walking, running, lifting, getting a good sweat going. it's a bit numbing though (every day is largely the same) and I feel zoned out most of the time. if that's better than having the emotions get all hot and spiky. my last job was in an office where I sat in front of a computer and I got fired for flipping out and punching a wall until my knuckles opened up and I bled everywhere (this was after my boss had spoken to me about some minor thing, I was very high-strung). I'd like to think I've made some progress from that point. there have still been incidents but they've been less common (I think). meds probably helped as well.
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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:46 pm
in an odd way, being at work is a somewhat effective release from any stress. or at least being in motion, constantly power-walking, running, lifting, getting a good sweat going. it's a bit numbing though (every day is largely the same) and I feel zoned out most of the time. if that's better than having the emotions get all hot and spiky. my last job was in an office where I sat in front of a computer and I got fired for flipping out and punching a wall until my knuckles opened up and I bled everywhere (this was after my boss had spoken to me about some minor thing, I was very high-strung). I'd like to think I've made some progress from that point. there have still been incidents but they've been less common (I think). meds probably helped as well.
Thank you for sharing this. I came up with the phrase "exercise is exorcism" the other day as exercise certainly helps me clear my demons. I'm woefully out of shape, I lost about 30lbs over the past couple years from just being unhealthy and that lethargy feeds into itself. I'm in the recovery phase. I'm desperately trying to figure out my career path as I haven't had much opportunity to do so being disabled (brain injuries). This fuels my agitation and, yeah, hard for me to be patient with people. Hard to balance being righteous when you are constantly falling into the wrong traps. I desperately need to take a break from foruming and focus on myself while balancing an open stream of communication here, because if I don't tend to my gardens I grow depressed.

I find my zen to be like a constantly evolving spiral. I prefer a slow, wide spiral... I focus a ton on my breathing. I even bought a $50 smart watch which has a "calm down" function. I didn't sleep well, I had a strange bordering on erotic nightmare, so Wooley set me off, so it goes in forum land. My arguments often reach the point of futility, I'm not one for arguing and hate when people lead me down that path because, again, spirals never quite reach the point. There are healthy and unhealthy rates and intervals of which the spiral can spin, I try not to be fast and furious but calm, cool, and collected. I try my best to check myself before I wreck myself because, lord help me, the past week was a furious bout of... informing. I sincerely thought the world was coming to an end and every day it doesn't it... still feels like it is but at least I'm able to look it in the eye and accept the challenge. My shinai (bamboo practice sword) comes in today so I can practice iaido. Otherwise I've invested in a few Tarot decks and it provides me with clarity of mind, it's nice being able to structure your days with a few card draws... but the learning process was fast and furious. It's why I wanted mod privileges so I could clean up my mess a bit, but ultimately I hope I didn't hurt anyone and, ultimately, not for me to say.

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Post by DaMU » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:16 pm

If a normal zombie movie has someone get bitten and then try to hide it and insist "It's nothing, I'm fine," then the USA right now is tens of millions of that guy not only saying "It's nothing, I'm fine," but also trying to convince others that he's fine, they'll all be fine, the zombie plague isn't real, and survivalism isn't really living anyway so they should visit that busted-up froyo place full of "zombies" (you can hear the air-quotes in their voices) because that's what a strong brave cowboy man would do.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:43 pm

DaMU wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:16 pm
If a normal zombie movie has someone get bitten and then try to hide it and insist "It's nothing, I'm fine," then the USA right now is tens of millions of that guy not only saying "It's nothing, I'm fine," but also trying to convince others that he's fine, they'll all be fine, the zombie plague isn't real, and survivalism isn't really living anyway so they should visit that busted-up froyo place full of "zombies" (you can hear the air-quotes in their voices) because that's what a strong brave cowboy man would do.
I've thought about this a fair deal (Max Brooks anyone? lol...), I'd much prefer a zombie apocalypse to what is all currently going down. This isn't even 28 Days Later's rage construct, it's just a swarm of misinformation. I very much would like to offer everyone a route to Vancouver Island but who even knows at this point, we just had a case break out close to where we live (our health care system is adamant on patient privacy so they won't disclose exact locations... thanks, BC). Alright, so on one hand you have a swarm of legion zombies trying to break through our gate. On the other hand you have sentient chaos agents who may infect you and thus your entire family and thus a potential slice of your community... Personally, I'd rather take my chances with the hoard, not the swarm of randomness (especially given the liability of feeling like you may have resulted in someone's offhand death). I've been helping my mom with beekeeping if only to really get a grasp on the physics of the equation

Seriously, every time I write a post like this I get super scared that one of you are just going to go and jump off a cliff. No! Don't do that! Urg, what a horrendously stressful equation, I'm very sorry, everyone
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Post by DaMU » Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:53 pm

"Chaos agents" is a good way of putting it. Have some immediate family that don't take this seriously and find it all an inconvenience. I'm empathetic to people who've lost their jobs or had their hours/pay reduced, but I don't think that's a sign that we should all get back to work; that's a sign that our government has failed in its duty to provide for the security of its people through social safety nets. A three-month UBI should not be a financial crisis.

[I think there's a lot more to what's happening currently, but one huge element, I think, is how the American identity warped as the "American Dream" shifted from "you can come here and be free and have a shot at a good life" into "you don't owe anything to anybody; the world is a bunch of fuckos who might impede your path to wealth." Aspirational individual freedom turned psychotic, to the point that any sort of government intrusion on behalf of the whole is inherently the worst fucking thing that could possibly happen.]
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"Chaos agents" is a good way of putting it. Have some immediate family that don't take this seriously and find it all an inconvenience. I'm empathetic to people who've lost their jobs or had their hours/pay reduced, but I don't think that's a sign that we should all get back to work; that's a sign that our government has failed in its duty to provide for the security of its people through social safety nets. A three-month UBI should not be a financial crisis.

[I think there's a lot more to what's happening currently, but one huge element, I think, is how the American identity warped as the "American Dream" shifted from "you can come here and be free and have a shot at a good life" into "you don't owe anything to anybody; the world is a bunch of fuckos who might impede your path to wealth." Aspirational individual freedom turned psychotic, to the point that any sort of government intrusion on behalf of the whole is inherently the worst fucking thing that could possibly happen.]
The "American Dream" is just, like, omg can America just chill already? I love visiting America, I have never run into anyone who I haven't found pleasant, I have a lot of respect for the general kindness of people... but this shit is mad, and it extends to my area as well, like, noooo one wears a mask and social distancing protocols may as well not exist. There is a serious degree of quarantine burnout and it's like, uhhh, America had 40k cases yesterday (how in the world did the US perpetuate the physics to this extent? The second wave just tacked on to the first!). Okay, Biden blundered with his "120 mil dead" remark but... it's very likely America is at 1.2 mil deaths. It's absurdly harsh to think about. I can't imagine being in the heat of that environment. It's depressing to think that the situation may be un-containable because I've played enough post-apocalypse things to understand some of the lengths government will take to quell these unsolvable equations. It's to this end where I actually prefer the ostrich movement and just letting it all go down... that's better than everyone freaking out to the point where liability gets out of control. Is it? What a nightmare

I spent the bulk of last year playing The Division 2 which operates closely to how a situation like this would go down after the fact. Now, that's just a video game (ha ha, right?) but... yeah, be careful. All I can do is offer BC's Dr. Bonnie Henry's best advice - "Be calm, be kind, stay safe"
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So, Covid is really happening, we know our friend's family's grandmother who is infected in a care home and they have all been exposed. The chances of that given the math on the island are... very low. There is something not being properly communicated on the island, I wonder how they will be processed in regards to contact tracing... our family is on red alert right now. I'm keeping my ears open. This is frightening shit, who knows how much this has spread due to the 9000 people protesting for the BLM movement almost two weeks ago.......
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Post by The Nameless Two » Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:49 pm

Stay safe, everyone. Love you all. I truly need to take a break from the internet and tend to my environment, and myself. Chances are I'll hop in but if I do just whack me with a stick or something, this really sucks. I got prescribed benzos today to help me sleep, just a minor perspective on how fucked up I've been lately (you can all probably tell)
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Post by Popcorn Reviews » Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:15 am

Sorry to hear that, Nameless. Take care out there.
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Post by LEAVES » Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:06 am

Does anyone in the US have the same feeling in their gut today as they did when we were at the first peak? Because I don't, and I don't know anyone else acting like they do, but we are in far, far, far worse shape, for several reasons:

1. We are in far worse shape with cases.
2. People are far less willing to take the drastic actions they took initially.
3. The states getting hit are less trusting of government and collective action, and the main figure in government that they do trust is science-denying idiot.
4. There is a current narrative that most of the people testing positive are young, disregarding the fact that all of the most vulnerable people rely on the lowest paid and youngest people to do the in-person non-technical service jobs that keep them alive, like providing food and the low-level day-to-day care at facilities that provide higher levels of assistance.
5. Because of 4, people may think that the hospital surge is over before it even begins, because the first surge will be the young people and it may even dip before the real surge of older people that get hit much, much harder begins.

There is every reason to believe that this is going to be so, so, so bad.
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There's been a slight improvement in my area over the past week or ten days. For most of June, people were acting like we were all done with the virus, even though if you were paying attention, our case numbers had a ten-fold increase in that month. I had started doing my groceries in the early morning, the grandmother crowd, because this was the most respectful time for people with masks and social distancing. In the evening, maybe 10% mask-wearing, people almost walking into me while they look at their phones, etc. One nit tried to reach over my shoulder from behind to grab something off the shelf, then look at me like I was crazy.

Trump waving the white flag on Covid on Independence Day is a good look for him though. Wouldn't it be sad if we discovered the cure was some toxic compound derived from bronzer and fructose? Is he the one man that this virus is too afraid to inhabit?
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Post by LEAVES » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:42 am

Jinnistan wrote:
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There's been a slight improvement in my area over the past week or ten days. For most of June, people were acting like we were all done with the virus, even though if you were paying attention, our case numbers had a ten-fold increase in that month. I had started doing my groceries in the early morning, the grandmother crowd, because this was the most respectful time for people with masks and social distancing. In the evening, maybe 10% mask-wearing, people almost walking into me while they look at their phones, etc. One nit tried to reach over my shoulder from behind to grab something off the shelf, then look at me like I was crazy.

Trump waving the white flag on Covid on Independence Day is a good look for him though. Wouldn't it be sad if we discovered the cure was some toxic compound derived from bronzer and fructose? Is he the one man that this virus is too afraid to inhabit?
Boris got it, Bolsonaro probably has it, so Trump is up next!
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Post by topherH » Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:53 pm

If Charlie Daniels wasn't immune, who is?
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Boris got it, Bolsonaro probably has it, so Trump is up next!
Bolsonaro is confirmed as of a couple hours ago. Oh boy
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It’s been a while I since I wrote a proper spell

Once a god emerges
Verging on our rapture
Capturing the moment
The laughter
And our visions
Severing the good
Old
Days
We blamed it on the science
We blame it on the people
We blame it on each other
The cross upon the steeple
The truth is far more dear
Far more close
And near
The truth is in the cards
It came before, and once again
There will be a start
And there will be no end
Defending what was once real
Is now imagination
Tending to our bubbles
Our stations
The circle closes round
One’s neck
Depraving our roots
Shooting the stars
Decaying the fruit
Thinking we’re far
It’s near now
Temptations rise
Our fears demise
Our coin turns trade
The streets turn raid
The history
The tree
The root
Fades
There’s a new god now
The old one left
He lost his job
His head was lobbed
A rolling stone
Down from His throne
We’re in it now so tip your head
Into a bow
Not too short
Not too long
You don’t want to give yourself away
You don’t want to lose it
It’s physics now
It’s all in your head
It never really happened
No one is really dead
The number grow
And grow
And grow
And grow
And grow
Before you know it
It’s all you know
The numbers form
In pattern
In word
Every minute absurd
9:06 PM
A minute after the present
Keep going
10:32 PM
Wait a second
Open up before you shut
Before the circle makes a point
Before they throw you in the joint
Where It roams beyond your joy
Your ideas
Your eugenics
Your sickness
It’s obvious now
Before you can stop me
I press send
This is what
Has caused the end
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Post by LEAVES » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:33 am

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Bolsonaro is confirmed as of a couple hours ago. Oh boy
Honestly, in the video game version of COVID Boris is clearly a lower level boss, Bolsonaro is the second tier boisterous idiot, and Trump is top dog because he's the dumbest and the most powerful. Could not have written it any more logically.
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Honestly, in the video game version of COVID Boris is clearly a lower level boss, Bolsonaro is the second tier boisterous idiot, and Trump is top dog because he's the dumbest and the most powerful. Could not have written it any more logically.
Honestly, game theory seems to play a huge part in all of this in the most disturbing fashion. Guess we need to commit four warriors of light or whatever and take down Kefka (read: Trump) before he turns into the tree of death. It really sucks that there are, like, literal supervillains out there and that the "Avengers" are just total fucking bullshit. Popcorn was going on about Fallout in the video game thread and spoiler alert you can defeat the final boss if your intelligence is 10 and can thus convince the boss to turn a gun on himself. Crazy times...
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:23 pm

I'm bumping this so I can go on a rant. I get that Fauci isn't infallible, that no researcher is. and that in studying a novel virus, that our understanding will change as time goes on, prior conclusions will be revised, etc. it's all a part of the process. what does bug me is when people use this to disregard any future warnings or as evidence of conspiracy or they throw up their hands and say, "first they said this, now they're saying this, nobody knows what they're talking about!" and just tune it all out. it's like the Faucis of the world gotta be right every time while their critics only have to be right once.

maybe it would be different if Trump was displeased with Fauci for exercising a lack of caution early on, preventing Trump from doing all he could to made containment a success. but this is probably another situation where somebody is messing with Trump's optics and Trump is raising hell about that. urgh
a lot of thing just reminds me of the "Al Gore said there would be an ice-free Arctic in 20-whenever, where's your global warming now, huh?" discourse. I am all too familiar with the merchants of doubt
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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:23 pm
I'm bumping this so I can go on a rant. I get that Fauci isn't infallible, that no researcher is. and that in studying a novel virus, that our understanding will change as time goes on, prior conclusions will be revised, etc. it's all a part of the process. what does bug me is when people use this to disregard any future warnings or as evidence of conspiracy or they throw up their hands and say, "first they said this, now they're saying this, nobody knows what they're talking about!" and just tune it all out. it's like the Faucis of the world gotta be right every time while their critics only have to be right once.
I think Fauci was perfectly honest when he has said a number of times that we're dealing with an unprecedented virus that we're still learning about and that there's still a whole lot that we do not understand about it. He's been very consistent on this theme, and this should be sufficient for the public to take it seriously, cautiously and to exercise the very basic minimums of masks and distancing for the time being.

Obviously he has to deal with political tugging, whether it's the wrath of Trump or the Rand Pauls pushing Fauci to be more humble and optimistic. Fauci shouldn't have to engage in these reindeer games, and in his most recent statements (conducted almost entirely from small online conferences rather than by news outlets) he has been pretty clear at his frustration in wrestling with these political considerations. He's still fighting the good fight even as he's being obscured by the White House.

I'm not going to get into a conspiratorial rant like Trump or some other Republicans, but I've been curiously disappointed with WHO even more recently. Like Fauci, they have some leeway for getting some things wrong early on. In January, when they claimed there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission, this is just as likely due to incomplete information they were receiving as it was a deliberate cover-up. Other things I could criticize as tactical mistakes - when the WHO said that masks should only be worn by medical professionals, we can understand that this was due to a shortage of PPE available, but shouldn't the message have been a more resounding "Hey! We Need A Hell Of A LOT More Masks ASAP!!!!" Others can also see this as a deliberate downplay of the danger that was already clear by that point (early March). But rather two more recent incidents have been more troubling to me because both of them have, indirectly, fed into some dishonest narratives capitalized by Covid-deniers. The first was, as late as June, when WHO inexplicably claimed that asymptomatic spread was "very rare". This was immediately rebuffed by basically the entire medical community, and WHO walked back the comment the very next day and, to this day, has never released definitive data to back it up. Regardless, this has become a meme for both those who wish to deny the need for large-scale lockdowns and for those who are most militant about reopening schools with little to no precautions. Why would WHO, based on such flimsy pretext, provide such a propaganda coup? (Also regardless, a more recent study has made the matter moot, if only it can get the same media attention.) The second incident was just this past week, when over 200 medical groups across the globe petitioned WHO to recognize that the coronavirus can be spread via aerosol transmission. On Thursday, WHO did just that, but it makes one wonder, anyone who's been paying attention, why on earth it took until mid-July for the WHO to recognize something that was already clear in April.

Another thing that Fauci touched on recently was to warn on the misleading perceptions of the virus' impact on younger people or the asymptomatic: "There's so many other things that are very dangerous and bad about this virus, don't get yourself into a false complacency," Wise advice that should be repeated on every newscast. This week produced two alarming studies that reinforce some of the worst fears of the virus' "vasculotropic" nature, which Nameless alluded to at the beginning of the thread. The scariest study suggests a "wave of brain damage" resulting in strokes, nerve damage and brain inflammation. This was followed by another study which shows the extensive damage caused to blood vessels and organs throughout the body but with especial concern on lasting scar tissue in the brain, lungs and kidneys. Significantly, these neurological and cardiovascular symptoms can be experienced without incidence of respiratory symptoms which we more likely attribute to Covid. Those infected, who may be erroneously considered asymptomatic, may only feel "mild" fever, but don't get tested because they have no other flu-like symptoms. Tom Hanks has mentioned that his symptoms were relatively mild, while his wife suffered the gauntlet of severe symptoms, but notably he also referred to an inability to "concentrate on anything for more than 12 minutes". And I haven't even gotten into the still-frightening implications for the effects of Covid on pregnant women and fetal development.

After barely six months into this pandemic, it's worth considering that there may be long-term damage that we won't be able to gauge for years. Maybe in 5-10 years, we'll start to see a spike in dementia, cognitive disabilities, strokes, embolisms and kidney failures among much younger demographics than normal. The herd immunity mentality is particularly dangerous for this reason. There are already very stark reasons for why anyone should not want to catch this disease at all, even without the assurance of antibody immunity (which is still unproven). The long-term impact on children is simply unknown. It isn't reassuring that Trump, and his gluttonous mob, has set the standard for "harmless" at anything short of death. Of course he thinks his reelection is worth a couple million lives.

Rob "We're not going back!" DeSantis reminds me of Thomas Jane in Boogie Nights: "We came here to do something! And we're going to do it!" He's doing it to us alright.
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Check out this article, Janson... https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/scien ... -vitamin-b

What I’m getting at is given we may be (Read: are likely to be) entering a famine, this points to even more waves of damage, those of which are possibly hereditary (my grandfather was a malnourished child during the Nazi invasion of the Netherlands... this article woke me up a great deal regarding my own diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder). This is a bodily health crisis, a mental health crisis, and a hunger crisis all rolled into one. Our communities need to be tightening their knit and learning how to manage this, and fast, as in months ago. Resources must be pooled, communities formed... it is past the point of figuring out how and when the government is going to right the ship, life rafts now. We’re in the exponential growth phase of this, fuck the ethics of food at this point just buy all of the rice and as much non perishable protein as possible
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Post by The Nameless Two » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:14 am

What exactly is the line between doomsaying and realism at this point? Shit is going wild out there, those numbers are not good, a real tidal wave.
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Post by Jinnistan » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:28 am

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Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:11 am
Check out this article, Janson... https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/scien ... -vitamin-b
Thanks. I'm familiar with the role of vitamin B deficiency in mental health. I believe it's also one of the main problems among vegans to supplement in their diet.


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What exactly is the line between doomsaying and realism at this point? Shit is going wild out there, those numbers are not good, a real tidal wave.
I'm not quite at "doomsday" yet, but we've got a rough ride ahead of us. Some places are better than others, but it's very depressing how few people where I live are taking it as seriously as they should, for completely selfish and obstinate reasons.
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Thanks. I'm familiar with the role of vitamin B deficiency in mental health. I believe it's also one of the main problems among vegans to supplement in their diet.
I am currently adapting to a vegetarian diet, not strict vegan, because I feel the meat industry is very threatened at the moment. Beef is going up. Chicken I feel is our best bet. I’m taking B supplements and will stock up, omega 3s as well. Probably can’t rely on sourcing our vitamins in food come famine time :shifty:
I'm not quite at "doomsday" yet, but we've got a rough ride ahead of us. Some places are better than others, but it's very depressing how few people where I live are taking it as seriously as they should, for completely selfish and obstinate reasons.
It is a shame, I feel for my American brothers and sisters out there because yeah, really hard to wrap ones head around. Thanks for the sobering quelling of my doomsday bell but stay frosty out there
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:15 pm

it also depresses my spirits when I think back to the beginning of the pandemic and I saw articles touting the US's standing as #1 in pandemic preparedness as if to say, "don't worry, we're not like those other countries" or in Fox News's case, as a way to get in front of any criticism of Trump. and I don't doubt the studies' conclusions either, the US has a lot of resources and capability! not everything is inevitable!

but articles like that assume there is an interest in containing the pandemic and it's looking more like we're going to rationalize the damage instead. it's so fucking bleak (and yeah, I'm also unsure when I'm crossing the line from 'realism' to 'doomsaying'. as always I'll welcome the chance to be wrong)

EDIT: jesus christ now Trump is re-tweeting covid truther bullshit argthrhrhrgrghrjjvnfjj
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:55 pm

bumping this again lol

I'm not saying that the news of Trump trying to censor covid-19 data isn't incredibly unsettling (in fact, I find it incredibly unsettling) but it is possible that workarounds will be found, yeah? because I recall a similar thing happening in Brazil. that doesn't excuse Trump, just that we have more alternatives than the Soviet Union did and that may be the best we can do unfortunately.
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Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:55 pm
bumping this again lol

I'm not saying that the news of Trump trying to censor covid-19 data isn't incredibly unsettling (in fact, I find it incredibly unsettling) but it is possible that workarounds will be found, yeah? because I recall a similar thing happening in Brazil. that doesn't excuse Trump, just that we have more alternatives than the Soviet Union did and that may be the best we can do unfortunately.
I think it's correct to call this an "information war" on top of the several other warfronts being fought in the present. It's crazy, unprecedented shit going on and we're struggling to keep up with the evolution of day to day information. People's eyes have been wrenched from the ball and that makes America seem unaccountable in it's handling of the crisis, as if it was some inevitability and that every scientist doing their damnedest to err on the side of caution without tanking the economy is wrong because of how quickly the information is evolving. Trump is an aikido master it seems, he takes incoming force and redirects it to where it hurts the most... it's scary dealing with his logic. America could very well lose a Holocaust's worth of Americans by the end of this, and we'll never know because the numbers are so unaccountable given the riots, general unrest, and lack of testing. There is no nice way of putting it, something's gotta give
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:11 pm

I've been researching the extent of our opioid crisis, particularly Fentanyl, and I came up with some interesting stuff. Will reflect later
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Post by The Nameless Two » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:05 pm

The opiate crisis and British Columbia

I live in a city named Victoria. Victoria was once the head supplier of opium until 1865 when it was outlawed, freely traded between us and the Chinese. We never really quite got out of the snare of opiates and what exactly they all entail within our society. Recently, the Hell's Angels were granted their Nanaimo club house to operate - this was on the local news before my recent trip to the hospital. Within the hospital news emerges that illicit drug use is no longer illicit, police will no longer enforce the use of these drugs. We currently have a crisis on our hands which outweighs Covid in terms of deadliness. Fentanyl is now mixed in our cocaine and heroin and if you aren't careful you will die. There is speculation that it's the Chinese who illegally import the Fentanyl but in recent light I have come across a more local source to our troubles and who ultimately caused this wave of death throughout not just British Columbia but the entire opiate using world

A Belgium named Paul Janssen founded Janssen Pharmaceutica in 1953, in 1959 he first synthesized Fentanyl. His company was acquired by... Johnson & Johnson in 1961... surely not the first time they have been the subject of drug scandal in North America. It is now speculated that our supply is homegrown, readily prescribed in hospitals and by doctors and, quite frankly, I have an idea why in wake of how dangerous it is

Population management via ethical suicide. Heavy concept, and one I'm likely not equipped to dive much further into, but you can get a sense of my thesis by throwing the string and paper clippings on the board here. How exactly does one thin the Victorian population, among the safest and one of the most sought after cities on this planet? You convince people to do it to themselves. It's a fucking intelligence test living here and I understand my friends' cries that Victoria "makes me want to die". It is owned by and serves the elite. We have our way here so if you are looking to come in, you better be equipped because it's full of traps. The only survival mechanism for the younger generation is nepotism, and in that nepotism requires adherence to elite sensibilities - especially in my case. Only the strongest survive this trial and, you know what, if you want to use you can if you are dead careful and know what you are doing and have the social safety net required in order to do so. I recommend taking chemistry

So... is this really a "crisis" or are we facilitating it? I honestly do not know anymore, the best I can do is study the demographics of those who end up moving in and out of Victoria, particularly those seeking permanent residence as you aren't getting anywhere here without a solid bed of cash. This is where it gets tricky and I won't name names in regards to race and creed, but there is a strong argument to be made that Victoria operates on "out with the weak, in with the strong". If you can't handle the pressure you either vote yourself off the island or you die. I could go on, but let's just leave this at food for thought portions of post density. Peace, love, and respect - Kady Violet
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Post by Oxnard Montalvo » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:03 pm

the Jared Kushner news, if true, just proves what many of us have suspected all along, that the administration's response to the pandemic was deliberate negligence. I read the Vanity Fair article was all "that's disgusting" and figured I would get on with the day. but I'm finding it difficult to let go of and there have been times when the thought sits in me and my body just starts hurting. I'm eating right now because I think it will help me sleep.

I don't know what the appropriate, measured response is to this news. for my family's sake I'm not going to skip out on work or get angry and get violent or go mad. hooray for not being de-sensitized but goddamn something has gotta fucking change
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Post by Charles » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:42 pm

I like to look on the bright side. With news like that, the likelihood of the republicans getting absoluteluy nuked in november keeps increasing.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:49 pm

Oxnard Montalvo wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:03 pm
the Jared Kushner news, if true, just proves what many of us have suspected all along, that the administration's response to the pandemic was deliberate negligence. I read the Vanity Fair article was all "that's disgusting" and figured I would get on with the day. but I'm finding it difficult to let go of and there have been times when the thought sits in me and my body just starts hurting. I'm eating right now because I think it will help me sleep.

I don't know what the appropriate, measured response is to this news. for my family's sake I'm not going to skip out on work or get angry and get violent or go mad. hooray for not being de-sensitized but goddamn something has gotta fucking change
1) It's true.

2) I agree with you that I'm trepidly skeptical that this story will be the final nail in th Trump coffin that it should be, because it is such a gross encapsulation of their craven cruelty. Perhaps it will require clarity from media to connect the dots to unambiguously show how all of the dire mortal and economic damage of the past six months directly springs from these decisions. Less tactfully, but accurately, epithets like "mass murderers" are completely appropriate, but the hyperbole of our times paradoxically blunts our ability to recognize what is truly evil.
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Post by Jinnistan » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:52 pm

Charles wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:42 pm
I like to look on the bright side. With news like that, the likelihood of the republicans getting absoluteluy nuked in november keeps increasing.
I don't think an election should be worth 200K deaths, but, on the bright side, Trump is suspending his ad buys, which doesn't scream 'confidence'.
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Post by LEAVES » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:23 am

If the deliberate neglect news came out about Obama, he would have been impeached within a month, but it almost seems like that news has disappeared? It's clearly the worst thing his administration has done: deliberately allowed for tens of thousands of people in blue states to die. I don't put the red state deaths on him, that's on the voters, because they should have known he was incompetent and they were too stupid to see how inevitable the red state deaths were going to be.

But why has it disappeared? Is it because it was too predictable, too obvious, or is it just hopelessness?
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LEAVES wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:23 am
If the deliberate neglect news came out about Obama, he would have been impeached within a month, but it almost seems like that news has disappeared? It's clearly the worst thing his administration has done: deliberately allowed for tens of thousands of people in blue states to die. I don't put the red state deaths on him, that's on the voters, because they should have known he was incompetent and they were too stupid to see how inevitable the red state deaths were going to be.

But why has it disappeared? Is it because it was too predictable, too obvious, or is it just hopelessness?
Within hours of the Vanity Story breaking, it wasn't even among the top three Trump stories on Google. But his battle with Tiktok? That's had some solid coverage for nearly 48 hours.

Hopelessness is a pretty good word for it.
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Post by The Nameless Two » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:22 pm

It's so out of our hands now at this point that it will be like a 90:10 vote in favor of Biden and he will still lose the election, and America's hunger crisis will emerge far before the election and civil war will straight up ignite again while us Canadians do everything in our legal power to keep that particular flood gate shut

There is no big story or break which can end Trump. This ride is well in motion and it's not going to be a democratic victory which rights this ship, it's a rapidly sinking deal. Realistically, leadership will simply be re-assumed by the tech giants and your 50 years of starship labor may grant your future generation a "citizen ticket" on the next hypership leaving our doomed climate
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Post by Jinnistan » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:06 pm

"Techno-fascism" is a buzzword that's been trending lately. Kibbles for the maw, I consider these NPCs, but it probably means that an Elon Musk presidency will be sooner rather than later.
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Post by Jinnistan » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:09 pm

crumbsroom wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:34 pm
Within hours of the Vanity Story breaking, it wasn't even among the top three Trump stories on Google. But his battle with Tiktok? That's had some solid coverage for nearly 48 hours.

Hopelessness is a pretty good word for it.
It got good coverage from dependable outlets like Business Insider, Mother Jones, Democracy Now, NYMag Intelligencer, etc. If only more Americans cared about dependable journalism. I have no idea what kind of coverage it got from the cable news channels, but I did notice its absence from the Sunday morning shows. I wonder why VF dropped the story on a Friday anyway. They call it "dump day" in the business for a reason.
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Post by DaMU » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:00 pm

I'd want to buy up ad time in Trump states and make ads that are just Trump saying things like "I don't take responsibility" and "It is what it is" (from the awful Axios interview yesterday) and just close with "He doesn't care about you."

I doubt it would get much traction, and maybe the better play is to try and focus ads on the merits of a Biden presidency, but given how much of conservative feeling these days is little more than "fuck liberals" and "fuck anyone who tells me what to do" (aka liberals), I feel like, if you want to disenfranchise Trump voters, a fact-based approach won't work (150,000 dead! = could've been worse = China started it).

Who even knows.
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Post by Jinnistan » Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:57 am

DaMU wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:00 pm
I'd want to buy up ad time in Trump states and make ads that are just Trump saying things like "I don't take responsibility" and "It is what it is" (from the awful Axios interview yesterday) and just close with "He doesn't care about you."
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