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Post by Gort » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:54 am

Trip wrote: Only two I've seen lol. I hear The Farmer's Wife is good!
You heard right about The Farmer's Wife.

And The Ring, just as you said, ribs, for me is the earliest of his films that has many clear "Hitchcock moments." Now, that may not be literally true. There could be some in earlier films, but they aren't in as great a number and so they aren't as evident. The Farmer's Wife, from the year after The Ring, shows that Hitchcock handles comedy very very well.

As long as you don't look for The Farmer's Wife to be Vertigo you'll be able to enjoy it. Al wasn't out from under the studio bosses' thumbs, yet.
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Post by ribbon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:59 am

That's good news! & you're right, there may have been clearer signs of his comfort in the medium well before this, but I was still rather surprised to see his distinctive flourishes throughout. Somehow even more evident than those in The Lodger, at least, which is something to be noted considering that particular film is in the same suspenseful vein as his later works, only without the more technical elements that make Hitch 'the master'.
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Post by B-Side » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:15 am

some of these early hitchcocks sound much more interesting than his later, more renowned work
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B-Side wrote:some of these early hitchcocks sound much more interesting than his later, more renowned work
You're just predisposed to thinking this way.
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B-Side wrote:some of these early hitchcocks sound much more interesting than his later, more renowned work
If you're referring to The Ring, while it's good, it doesn't touch most of his later work. But in my opinion, The Lodger can stand pretty strong next to his other films.
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Post by B-Side » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:37 am

Fist wrote:You're just predisposed to thinking this way.
predisposed to thinking more expressive and interesting form is more interesting than the opposite? yes, i am
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Post by B-Side » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:39 am

ribbon wrote:If you're referring to The Ring, while it's good, it doesn't touch most of his later work. But in my opinion, The Lodger can stand pretty strong next to his other films.
It's not just The Ring. It's much of his earlier work. It sounds more expressionistic and experimental, which I appreciate. Of course, this is all speculative. It's not meant as a catch-all assessment of his entire body of work.
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B-Side wrote:
It's not just The Ring. It's much of his earlier work. It sounds more expressionistic and experimental, which I appreciate. Of course, this is all speculative. It's not meant as a catch-all assessment of his entire body of work.
Oh, of course. It is slightly more experimental until he finds his directorial voice. Very interesting to see the transformation, granted I've only seen two.
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Post by B-Side » Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:53 am

That initial search for a "voice" is almost consistently the most interesting aspect of a director's career. That doesn't make it the best or most accomplished, but it's often more fascinating to dissect. Most directors settle -- for lack of a better word -- as they age and become more experienced. They stop trying new things and discovering new ways to convey ideas and play with the form. I don't see this as a lack of confidence, or even a lack of their true directorial voice, but rather a valid search for cinematic truth. Some directors never stop experimenting, and they're often the best out there.
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Nah.
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Post by ribbon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:01 am

I could agree with that to an extent. Not that their experimentation represents their best work, but certainly that it is a fascinating glimpse into the process of getting to the state they're in now (or where they ended). It's often refreshing to see a director go through a transformation of sorts rather than accept that they've always had the same static eye.
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Post by Fist » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:10 am

It's "interesting" sure, but I find most great filmmakers are most rewarding once they've found their "voice" and then usually a bit after that point as well. Not saying your above statement contradicts that necessarily, but I feel you've said in the past you generally prefer directors' early work for various reasons, maybe those same. Most of my personal favorite I find only tend to get better as they go on in many ways, sometimes even to the very end, but not always. Of course it depends on the individual always anyway.
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Post by wigwam » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:22 am

yeh it varies w/ who it is but i love seeing someone w/ their voice find purer and more effortless ways of reaching that - Side Effects and To Rome With Love while neither are perfect or in danger of being my favorites are still so masterful and agile that I enjoy watching the filmmaking as much or more than the film (before that concept is criticized, what else do we mean by watching these early works where they're finding their voice?)
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more from today:

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5 fingers |mankiewicz, 1952|
a chilling spy caper in incredibly capable hands, swift in pace & allowing proceedings to flow organically through character developments.

the nearly great
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what a way to go! |thompson, 1964|
absurd, bleak, lighthearted, hilarious, & tasteless... always all at once. gene's segment was absolutely ridiculous! <3
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ceiling zero |hawks, 1936|
an airport drama comparable to only angels have wings, perhaps lesser, but not without plenty of merit.

the hope davis
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last man on earth |ragona, 1964|
may i ask why these zombie vampires are dead yet coherent enough to speak in fully formed sentences with malice intent not only out of instinctive blood-hungriness but mainly because 'hey there's a guy who isn't dead yet'?
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cabin fever 2: spring fever |west, 2009|
surprise! it was awful. how couldn't it be? i gagged, like, a lot. fist laughed, like, a lot. :(
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Post by dreiser » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:23 am

All that pink.
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Like Someone in Love (Kiarostami, 2012) 4/10
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Post by ribbon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:32 am

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Post by B-Side » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:34 am

wigwam wrote:yeh it varies w/ who it is but i love seeing someone w/ their voice find purer and more effortless ways of reaching that - Side Effects and To Rome With Love while neither are perfect or in danger of being my favorites are still so masterful and agile that I enjoy watching the filmmaking as much or more than the film (before that concept is criticized, what else do we mean by watching these early works where they're finding their voice?)
Soderbergh is a perfect example of a chameleon filmmaker who never settles. All the way up to and including Side Effects, he never stopped tinkering with the medium and the ways in which he could imbue his work with his unique authorial voice.
Fist wrote:It's "interesting" sure, but I find most great filmmakers are most rewarding once they've found their "voice" and then usually a bit after that point as well. Not saying your above statement contradicts that necessarily, but I feel you've said in the past you generally prefer directors' early work for various reasons, maybe those same. Most of my personal favorite I find only tend to get better as they go on in many ways, sometimes even to the very end, but not always. Of course it depends on the individual always anyway.
I prefer to begin with a director's early work as a way of framing their career as an auteurist trajectory and evolution. It does me little good to jump straight into a new filmmaker with their most famous work, which is often at least a handful of films into their career. I get no sense of where they started or how they came to be who they are/were. You can always go back after seeing these later works, but there's nothing quite like that first viewing and how it shapes your subsequent ones should you choose to view it multiple times. A truly great director will always leave you with something new to discover and appreciate, but there's nothing wrong with maximizing the pleasure one gets the first time around and using that framework for a better appreciation of their work a second or third time around.
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Post by Mean Old Bastard Ed » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:35 pm

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ribbon wrote:more from today:

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may i ask why these zombie vampires are dead yet coherent enough to speak in fully formed sentences with malice intent not only out of instinctive blood-hungriness but mainly because 'hey there's a guy who isn't dead yet'?
Hmm. I see. You're asking a zombie/vampire film to make sense.

Fist, check her temperature. I think she must have a cold or something! :D
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:25 am

Aren't vampires usually dead yet coherent and full of kind of impulses not related to that instinct?
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Post by ribbon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:19 am

theyre zombies but they call them vampires. i don't need it to make sense but not being the worst is preferable.
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Post by Gort » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:23 am

ribbon wrote:theyre zombies but they call them vampires. i don't need it to make sense but not being the worst is preferable.
You're free to dislike anything you want, as far as I'm concerned, and no explanation is necessary. ;)
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ribbon wrote:theyre zombies but they call them vampires. i don't need it to make sense but not being the worst is preferable.
I think our modern concept of zombies as flesh-eating brainless ghouls in some state of decomposition that have risen from the grave only starts with Night of the Living Dead four years later, if that helps any.
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Gort wrote: You're free to dislike anything you want, as far as I'm concerned, and no explanation is necessary. ;)
Haha, that was a half-hearted (because eating :oops: )explanation in response to both you & Kurz. Maybe I wasn't in the right mood for a film like that, as Cabin Fever 2 destroyed any interest in horror right beforehand. :P
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Post by ribbon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:29 am

Ha! Which Lubitsch did you download?
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Colonel Kurz wrote:I think our modern concept of zombies as flesh-eating brainless ghouls in some state of decomposition that have risen from the grave only starts with Night of the Living Dead four years later, if that helps any.
This checks with what I believe. But I think the brains as food deal came even later, because the NotLD zombies eat any human body part...livers, intestines, legs, they aren't particular.
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Post by Colonel Kurz » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:38 am

Gort wrote: This checks with what I believe. But I think the brains as food deal came even later, because the NotLD zombies eat any human body part...livers, intestines, legs, they aren't particular.
I just said that they were brainless, not that they ate brains. :P
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Post by ribbon » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:38 am

doubledutch wrote:
Recorded off TV during TCMs Lubitsch marathon.

That Lady in Ermine and The Merry Widow.

I watched The Loves of Pharoah which was frankly one of the best films I saw last year but only a bit survived out of the original 8 hour cut. What remained was incredible and probably the best silent film I've seen recently besides Lang's Spione.
Haven't seen the former, but love the latter. Hope you enjoy them!
We actually watched that Lang last week - such a handsome fucking film.
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Colonel Kurz wrote:I just said that they were brainless, not that they ate brains. :P
So you did. Damn painkillers.
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doubledutch wrote:
Robert Osbourne commented that it's the grandaddy of all spy films. Hitchcock himself took a lot of his cinematic tricks from Lang. Very gorgeous film and it flys by so quick. The lead actress dated the guy who played the villain in Spies in real life.

I have the immensely long Dr. Mabuse saga to watch. That I had to download since they rarely show it on TCM. I did see The Last Testament of Dr. Mabuse but not the other ones. That was fantastic.

I have a Clement/Gabin to finish right now called The Walls of Malapaga so I gotta run. Will check in with you all another time and chat (until I'm banned again).

See, lovesexy isn't always a bad guy. :)

Ciao!
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casa de mi padre |piedmont, 2012|
undoubtedly ridiculous, often not in a great way. though being a sucker for will ferrell, this definitely showcased what i enjoy most about his screen presence - his off the wall comedic intuition masked behind a mainstream shell, & his dedicated veracity no matter how absurd his character may be.

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comanche station |boetticher, 1960|
basically one long conversation on horseback or around the campfire, but a captivating one nonetheless, in the same general realm in which boetticher always displays his craft.

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the spy in black |powell, 1939|
this was a movie. an alright one, i suppose.

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oz the great & powerful |raimi, 2013|
contained every bit of Raimi's cinema that I adore - the winding, tossed around camera movements, absurd comedy, eerie personification of inanimate objects & nature (notably the wind), the raucous sound design. But best of all, the ode to the enchantment of cinematic illusion both aurally & visually. While it was every ounce a Disney film, he threw every bit of himself he could into it &, as far as I'm concerned, the opposition of his foreboding view of the story vs. Disney's lightheartedness almost compliments the film to a higher degree. Really enjoyed this one. (copied from my post in recently seen)
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Ribs, I'm reading Rohmer & Chabrol's Hitchcock book, and they highly recommend The Manxman, so let's get on that too. Also Downhill.
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i only laughed once in Casa de mi Pardre, when the guy cuts his name in cocaine lines
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Trip wrote:Ribs, I'm reading Rohmer & Chabrol's Hitchcock book, and they highly recommend The Manxman, so let's get on that too. Also Downhill.
Great, will do! Thanks.
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Post by ribbon » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Also grabbed Blackmail, which I before only saw a bit of.
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ribbon wrote:Also grabbed Blackmail, which I before only saw a bit of.
Ohh, it's great. Rouge hates it so you know it's good.
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wigwam wrote:i only laughed once in Casa de mi Pardre, when the guy cuts his name in cocaine lines
Disappointing film. Couldn't seem to set a workable tone for itself. Turning into Standard Western Revenge Plot 1A in the third act didn't help matters either.
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Trip wrote: Ohh, it's great. Rouge hates it so you know it's good.
Probably the best, even.
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Post by Trip » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:19 am

You seen Rich and Strange? Rohmer/Chabrol think it's one of the three best films of Hitch's British period! Get on that. Let us.
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Trip wrote:You seen Rich and Strange? Rohmer/Chabrol think it's one of the three best films of Hitch's British period! Get on that. Let us.
That's Young & Innocent's alternate title, yeah? If so, seen it. Really big fan. Those long takes <3.
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ribbon wrote: That's Young & Innocent's alternate title, yeah? If so, seen it. Really big fan. Those long takes <3.
It is not.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023395/
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Post by ribbon » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:26 am

Ha, wonder why I thought that. Excited now though! Let's. Let us. Lettuce.
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ribbon wrote:Lettuce.
This is why I need/love you.
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Re: ribbon's rhapsody: a cinematic reckoning

Post by ribbon » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:30 am

You same twipston <5.
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Re: ribbon's rhapsody: a cinematic reckoning

Post by Trip » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:33 am

shut up
Please TRIP and Die
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Re: ribbon's rhapsody: a cinematic reckoning

Post by ribbon » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:36 am

OH back to this now. You same.
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