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Post by Fist » Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:16 pm

It feels like a final statement of sorts anyway. I'm not too surprised he hasn't made a film since, though obviously he'd knock it out of the park again.
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Fist wrote:It feels like a final statement of sorts anyway.
Aw, it really does. Has he said anything about that?

What did you think of the digital techniques he used? I keep reading how murky and gritty it is, and I see what they're saying. But the truth is, it's improbably beautiful, too.
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Post by Fist » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:12 pm

It achieves a look that would have been impossible on film. It would have been conventionally more pleasing maybe and just as great by a very different film. It's in line with the dogme films and Kiarostami's early 2000s work in the sense that it wouldn't have even been possible to make in the same manner, and I feel IE in particular never would have been made without the technology first. The aesthetic just comes with the territory, but I too find it beautiful anyway. I'm ready to see a Lynch film shot on RED though omg.
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Post by Fist » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:13 pm

Btw he talks about the process of the film a fair bit on the DVD features which are fantastic.
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Post by Circus Freak » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:19 pm

I don't even know what I think of Inland Empire anymore. It's fascinating, but I'm not sure I ever felt its 'emotional resonance' even at the height of my obsession with David Lynch films, whereas the mere thought of Mulholland Drive's ending gives me a melancholic shiver.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:35 pm

Circus Freak wrote:I don't even know what I think of Inland Empire anymore. It's fascinating, but I'm not sure I ever felt its 'emotional resonance' even at the height of my obsession with David Lynch films, whereas the mere thought of Mulholland Drive's ending gives me a melancholic shiver.
Hmm. Mulholland Drive felt like more of an intellectual exercise to me. I'm a strange case, though. But, the idea of having made tragic, life-altering mistakes always speaks right to me. Everything else I felt in Inland Empire was due to Laura Dern. She killed me in this.
Fist wrote:Btw he talks about the process of the film a fair bit on the DVD features which are fantastic.
Not on the DVD Netflix sent me. :(
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Maiden's Voyage: New favorites

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:47 pm

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It's almost time for my end-of-year best first-seen list. But, I thought I'd take a moment for a subset: films I saw for the first time (or rewatched and re-evaluated) during the last year or so that I need to add to my all-time favorites list. Of course, every list is a snapshot, an educated guess, and, if we did another Consensus Thread next year, my list would evolve quite a bit, no doubt; but, these five films I'm confident belong.
  • Inland Empire is the most obvious, since I'm currently obsessed with its challenging density. But, as it holds a lifetime's worth of my favorite things within it, I can't imagine it ever falling off my list.

    Playtime (pictured above) was a real surprise for me, since I hadn't been too taken with Mon Oncle a couple years before. But, not only did I enjoy this one intellectually, reveling in its good-natured satire of modern life, I found I loved it as well. As soon as it ended, I had to watch it again. I don't know how, but Tati creates a small world here that feels big, a comic space that feels serious. From one set-piece to the next a feeling of comaraderie builds, slowly; things that appear at first to be mere frivolous games somehow coming together to form a lovely, resonant vision of humanity – at its silliest, yes, but also at its affectionate, yearning best.

    Suspiria just missed my list last September, since I watched it right after the submission deadline. I've written about it before, so for now I'll say only that its overwhelming sound and color and its weird mythological echoes are what make this one something more than 'just' a perfect horror film.

    Another film about silly humanity, Russian Symphony is a strange thing, a film I doubt has ever been on an all-time list, but I found this darkest of comedies mysteriously satisfying. I'm not sure how this End of the World satire fits within my usual mournful nostalgic frame, but I do know that its bitter cynicism is tempered with beauty and piercing sadness. Besides, it got me through a period of disinterest in movies, a time in which I watched this one over and over, until my love of film was renewed.

    Vertigo is another film with bad timing, just too late for last year's Consensus thread. I've written plenty about it elsewhere, but has there ever been a film more suffused with impossible longing?
Other recent discoveries that might make it onto the list with a little more evaluation: Strange Circus, Three Days, The Tenant, Kamen, Gespenster, La vie de bohème. Time will tell!

Finally, for anyone who loves a list, here's my current 50 favorites:
1 Red Beard (Kurosawa, 1965)
2 2046 (Wong, 2004)
3 Berlin Alexanderplatz (Fassbinder, 1980)
4 A Zed & Two Noughts (Greenaway, 1986)
5 Syndromes and a Century (Weerasethakul, 2006)
6 Beau Travail (Denis, 1999)
7 The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940)
8 Charulata (Ray, 1964)
9 The Sacrifice (Tarkovsky, 1986)
10 Days of Eclipse (Sokurov, 1988)
11 Inland Empire (Lynch, 2006)
12 The Third Man (Reed, 1949)
13 The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (Anderson, 2004)
14 In a Year with 13 Moons (Fassbinder, 1978)
15 Beware of a Holy Whore (Fassbinder, 1971)
16 The Turin Horse (Tarr, 2011)
17 Lady Vengeance (Park, 2005)
18 My Nights are More Beautiful (Zulawski, 1989)
19 Holiday (Cukor, 1938)
20 8½ (Fellini, 1963)
21 Love Exposure (Sono, 2008)
22 Celine and Julie Go Boating (Rivette, 1974)
23 On the Silver Globe (Zulawski, 1988)
24 After Life (Koreeda, 1998)
25 Playtime (Tati, 1967)
26 Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979)
27 Drowning by Numbers (Greenaway, 1988)
28 Birds, Orphans and Fools (Jakubisko, 1969)
29 You, the Living (Andersson, 2007)
30 A Casa (Bartas, 1997)
31 Visitor of a Museum (Lopushansky, 1989)
32 Suspiria (Argento, 1977)
33 The Asthenic Syndrome (Muratova, 1990)
34 Transe (Villaverde, 2006)
35 The Bird People in China (Miike, 1998)
36 The Conformist (Bertolucci, 1970)
37 Henry Fool (Hartley, 1997)
38 Casa de Lava (Costa, 1994)
39 Russian Symphony (Lopushansky, 1994)
40 Montenegro (Makavejev, 1981)
41 Nights of Cabiria (Fellini, 1957)
42 L’eclisse (Antonioni, 1962)
43 Awaara (Kapoor, 1951)
44 Brazil (Gilliam, 1985)
45 Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)
46 Metropolitan (Stillman, 1990)
47 Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)
48 Genealogies of a Crime (Ruiz, 1997)
49 Synecdoche, NY (Kaufman, 2008)
50 I’m a Cyborg but that’s OK (Park, 2006)
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Rock » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:07 pm

Suspiria and Vertigo are both great, and both tap into a sort of dream logic that I find really compelling. Suspiria in particular seems designed to drive crazy anybody who cares a lot about plot, which is another reason I love it. And it's so pretty. I concluded my October horror marathon with it.

From your top 50 list, I see you put Red Beard right at the top. I saw that for the first time this year, but I'd like to revisit it. I unfortunately saw it in three sittings spaced a few days apart, so the deliberateness of the pacing didn't really work for me. Mifune was excellent, though, and there were some really touching moments.

I'm a big fan of a few others on your list, and The Third Man would also make my top 50.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:00 pm

I've had Red Beard at the top of my list for a long time. No one else can understand it, but I'm resigned to that. :) I've watched it twice, top to bottom, and was blown away both times. My son loved it, too! So I'm not sure I can understand people's difficulties with the pacing.

There's an excellent conversation about the film at The House Next Door.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage: New favorites

Post by Beau » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:34 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:}
Finally, for anyone who loves a list, here's my current 50 favorites:
1 Red Beard (Kurosawa, 1965)
2 2046 (Wong, 2004)
3 Berlin Alexanderplatz (Fassbinder, 1980)
4 A Zed & Two Noughts (Greenaway, 1986)
5 Syndromes and a Century (Weerasethakul, 2006)
6 Beau Travail (Denis, 1999)
7 The Philadelphia Story (Cukor, 1940)
8 Charulata (Ray, 1964)
9 The Sacrifice (Tarkovsky, 1986)
10 Days of Eclipse (Sokurov, 1988)
11 Inland Empire (Lynch, 2006)
12 The Third Man (Reed, 1949)
13 The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (Anderson, 2004)
14 In a Year with 13 Moons (Fassbinder, 1978)
15 Beware of a Holy Whore (Fassbinder, 1971)
16 The Turin Horse (Tarr, 2011)
17 Lady Vengeance (Park, 2005)
18 My Nights are More Beautiful (Zulawski, 1989)
19 Holiday (Cukor, 1938)
20 8½ (Fellini, 1963)
21 Love Exposure (Sono, 2008)
22 Celine and Julie Go Boating (Rivette, 1974)
23 On the Silver Globe (Zulawski, 1988)
24 After Life (Koreeda, 1998)
25 Playtime (Tati, 1967)
26 Stalker (Tarkovsky, 1979)
27 Drowning by Numbers (Greenaway, 1988)
28 Birds, Orphans and Fools (Jakubisko, 1969)
29 You, the Living (Andersson, 2007)
30 A Casa (Bartas, 1997)
31 Visitor of a Museum (Lopushansky, 1989)
32 Suspiria (Argento, 1977)
33 The Asthenic Syndrome (Muratova, 1990)
34 Transe (Villaverde, 2006)
35 The Bird People in China (Miike, 1998)
36 The Conformist (Bertolucci, 1970)
37 Henry Fool (Hartley, 1997)
38 Casa de Lava (Costa, 1994)
39 Russian Symphony (Lopushansky, 1994)
40 Montenegro (Makavejev, 1981)
41 Nights of Cabiria (Fellini, 1957)
42 L’eclisse (Antonioni, 1962)
43 Awaara (Kapoor, 1951)
44 Brazil (Gilliam, 1985)
45 Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (Murnau, 1927)
46 Metropolitan (Stillman, 1990)
47 Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)
48 Genealogies of a Crime (Ruiz, 1997)
49 Synecdoche, NY (Kaufman, 2008)
50 I’m a Cyborg but that’s OK (Park, 2006)
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Post by Macrology » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:49 pm

Russian Symphony has been added to my interminably long to-watch list (but has also been prioritized, so it's near the top!).
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Re: Maiden's Voyage: New favorites

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:30 pm

Beau wrote:No wonder we get along so well. Lolz.
Yeah, it's pretty easy to see the patterns of influence around here, haha. So, when are you going to watch Fassbinder, Beau? :P
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Post by Fist » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:32 pm

Aside from the Parks, that's a highly agreeable collection of films and filmmakers.
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And Kurosawa obviously pfffst
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Fist wrote:And Kurosawa obviously pfffst
Ha! I was gonna say...
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Post by Fist » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:44 pm

It's unfair to shit on someone's favorite film too strongly, I suppose.

But...
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:01 pm

That's OK. I don't need everyone to love what I love. :P

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Post by Derninan » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:02 pm

Your love for Kurosawa, Maiden, is like a cup of hot chocolate enjoyed next to a fireplace in a cabin in the woods with a slope-side view of the ski mountain I'm about to conquer.

Comforting.
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Dern :heart:
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Post by snapper » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:56 pm

people should just watch Okamoto instead
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Shieldmaiden wrote:I've had Red Beard at the top of my list for a long time. No one else can understand it, but I'm resigned to that. :) I've watched it twice, top to bottom, and was blown away both times. My son loved it, too! So I'm not sure I can understand people's difficulties with the pacing.

There's an excellent conversation about the film at The House Next Door.
That was a good read. I would like to revisit the film, as it's the only Kurosawa I've seen that I'm not that keen on, and I think my viewing experience was less than ideal.
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Post by B-Side » Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:38 am

Your list was saved by the last minute addition of a Ruiz.

I'm teasing. Interesting, eclectic list. Had no idea you were so fond of many of those.
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B-Side wrote:Had no idea you were so fond of many of those.
Ha. I feel like I babble about them all the time. Are you saying I should babble more? :P
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Post by B-Side » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:Ha. I feel like I babble about them all the time. Are you saying I should babble more? :P
I always enjoy your "babbling". :P

Just for example, I don't think I've ever even seen you mention Holiday, The Philadelphia Story or the two Parks on your list. I might be wrong about that, and I probably am, but hey, you've gotta keep your standards low with me.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:53 pm

Yeah, Holiday really deserves some babble. I'll have to rewatch it, though. You, the Living, too. I didn't write more than a sentence or two about the Parks, but he featured prominently in my top ten Korean films. Needless to say, fist is wrong about them, if he's even seen them. :P
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Post by B-Side » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:59 pm

Shieldmaiden wrote:Yeah, Holiday really deserves some babble. I'll have to rewatch it, though. You, the Living, too. I didn't write more than a sentence or two about the Parks, but he featured prominently in my top ten Korean films. Needless to say, fist is wrong about them, if he's even seen them. :P
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I'm just glad to know you love that one. :heart:
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Post by B-Side » Thu Dec 05, 2013 10:30 am

I so did. I even sported an avatar of the guy with the bunny mask on RT for a while. That's how committed I was to the cause. I try to be humble, but I probably did that film a lot of good and sold an additional 10,000 copies of it on DVD.
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Post by MrCarmady » Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:25 pm

I've only seen 15 of those, shameful. Love most of them, though. Had no idea you were this fond of The Third Man, interesting.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:36 pm

MrCarmady wrote:Had no idea you were this fond of The Third Man, interesting.
I've loved that one for so long! Love how everything – crazy camera angles, odd music, grotesque faces, the city itself! – contributes to that ominous, bleakly comic atmosphere. Plenty of longing and regret in there, too. :)
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Maiden's Voyage: The Grandmaster

Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:23 pm

Wong Kar-wai's The Grandmaster is delicious and fun, though not up there with my favorites from him. Still, its quite a relief after My Blueberry Nights. The question of the hour is "which version?" I saw the American cut, apparently a thoughtful alternate by Wong himself, with extra footage as well as cuts. According to the screencaps I've seen online, he must also have played around with the color, Ashes of Time-style, and I loved those golden filters. Much of the film worked for me – the melancholy tone, gorgeous sets, those fights! – but, the romance is 2046-light, and the story never quite ignites, though the fire is always just off-screen, illuminating faces. And, though I hate to think like this, how much of it was written for the mainland government? Ip's reasons for going to Hong Kong have been airbrushed, along with, for some reason, his son. But, forget history! Like all of Wong's films, this one is primarily about memory and loss, a woman's intense regret and a man's wry sympathy, the pallid present eclipsed by a more vivid past.

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Pretty and a bit too boring, basically. Unfortunately.
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Post by Izzy Black » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:07 am

Derninan wrote:Pretty and a bit too boring, basically. Unfortunately.
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I didn't find it boring.
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Post by Izzy Black » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:43 am

I think you would've liked the Chinese cut more and it could've been a potential favorite for you. Maybe not, but I think the story in the Chinese version is much better and it's more about Zhang Ziyi's character.
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Poor My Blueberry Nights... <3
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Post by Vasco » Fri Dec 20, 2013 1:38 am

What's up with all this My Blueberry Nights bashing?
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Post by charulata » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:04 am

she just managed to lure all the cool kids out of the woodwork it seems :D

but y, My Blueberry Nights is smokin' <3
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I have a glowing essay on it on my blog.

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*sips kool-aid*
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Vasco dips in and disappears like the Portuguese Batman.
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Izzy Black wrote:<3 wong
Just months ago you were in here dissing Wong. Fickle.
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B-Side wrote:Vasco dips in and disappears like the Portuguese Batman.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Shieldmaiden » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:09 pm

Izzy Black wrote:I think you would've liked the Chinese cut more and it could've been a potential favorite for you. Maybe not, but I think the story in the Chinese version is much better and it's more about Zhang Ziyi's character.
That seems likely, yes. I'm sure I'll see it eventually. I thought this version was already very much about her character, though. Half of Ip's story is about his fascination with her! And, not just because her story is tragic and moving, but because she's the only master who eludes his attempt to gather (and teach? archive?) all the varieties of kung fu in Hong Kong. Is her character based on a real person, does anyone know?
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Something must be wrong with me, then, because those screenshots do nothing for me. :(

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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Vasco » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:23 pm

B-Side wrote:Vasco dips in and disappears like the Portuguese Batman.
Sir, you made me laugh.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by B-Side » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:30 pm

Vasco wrote:Sir, you made me laugh.
Can we get gay married already or are you still beholden to that evil wench?
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Izzy Black » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:00 pm

Trip wrote: Just months ago you were in here dissing Wong. Fickle.
when?
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Trip » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:02 pm

Izzy Black wrote: when?
fuck you izzy that's when
Please TRIP and Die
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Izzy Black » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:06 pm

At most I might've said his recent work hasn't been as strong, but that was also before he made The Grandmaster, which is now one of my favorites. I don't think I've ever outright dissed Wong's work.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Trip » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:07 pm

You def said something to the effect of "All Wong that isn't ItMfL can suck my dick".
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