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Maiden's Voyage: Himizu

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:10 am

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Once again, Sono has me just where he wants me with Himizu, a sweet little film about really bad parents, yakuza violence, multiple murders, and love. While it lacks the operatic extravaganza of Love Exposure or the challenging food for thought of Guilty of Romance, it does offer a soul-cleansing dose of catharsis, sort of like a kinder, (much) gentler Strange Circus. And, here's something weird: I admit I'm somewhat tunnel visioned at the moment, but there are story echoes of both Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov (even, arguably, The Idiot). I see you rolling your eyes, and, yes, it sounds like a lot to hang on a coming-of-age comedy, even one as dark as this; but it seems too overt to be a coincidence! Whether from the original manga or from Sono, there's a Dostoevskian emphasis here on good vs. evil, personal responsibility, and hope for the future.

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I posted your submission. :heart:
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I saw it! :)
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Maiden's Voyage: Hard to Be a God

Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:59 am

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Hard to Be a God took my breath away with its beauty, then threw me into the deep end of a pool filled with other things besides water, and—oh no, what is that? Urgh! And, that was just the first three minutes! I actually enjoyed it a lot, though enjoyment seems well beside the point. The aesthetic is bursting with life, like microbes under a microscope; imagine Prospero's Books with shit everywhere and really bad skin, and you're almost there. Once fully immersed, I was relieved to discover (eventually) a bare-bones story arc of betrayal and revenge. After a terrific introduction to our clarinet-playing main character we never leave his side as he deals with constant filth, petty insurgencies, and increasingly dire conspiracies. In the end, this place convinces utterly, but the point (if there is one) seems lost in the chaos. Actually, I guess the point is the chaos. The idea of a Dark Ages without a Renaissance is horrifying. Add an incipient Inquisition and it's no wonder the "enlightened" overseers from Earth are more likely to sink into the muck than lift anyone else out.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Trip » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:24 am

did you also find the main dude oddly sexy
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:25 am

Oh, yes. Not sure it's so odd, though. Obviously, it's hard to tell through the blood and mud and whatever, but we do get to see him cleaned up once or twice.
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Post by Epistemophobia » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:54 am

awesome
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:03 am

Bear sighting!

Watched this because mesmerising epic of filth and madness sounded too good to pass up.

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Post by JediMoonShyne » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:00 am

Really need to watch that.

Mainly because it's taking up like 8GB of valuable HD space, but yeah.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Beau » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:25 pm

Oh, nice! It looks like Chimes at Midnight crossed with Salo. I think I also found the novel for cheap at the local book fair, so I'll pick that up too.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:47 pm

Beau wrote:I think I also found the novel for cheap at the local book fair, so I'll pick that up too.
Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I've seen four of their novels adapted now: Roadside Picnic (Stalker), A Billion Years to the End of the World (Days of Eclipse), Hard to Be a God, and The Ugly Swans. It's time I checked out the Strugatsky brothers.

My reading list lately is nothing but Russians! I should travel back in time and switch languages (to study). What has French ever done for me? :P
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Shieldmaiden wrote:Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I've seen four of their novels adapted now: Roadside Picnic (Stalker), A Billion Years to the End of the World (Days of Eclipse), Hard to Be a God, and The Ugly Swans. It's time I checked out the Strugatsky brothers.

My reading list lately is nothing but Russians! I should travel back in time and switch languages (to study). What has French ever done for me? :P
I've only read Roadside Picnic, which is one of the best Sci-Fi novels ever. I also have a bunch of short stories of theirs, from this one collection of Russian Sci-Fi published forever ago in Buenos Aires. I'll report on them eventually.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

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Beau wrote:I'll report on them eventually.
Yes, please.
MrCarmady wrote:mmm texture
Have you read the novel, by any chance?
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Post by MrCarmady » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:20 pm

not yet, but my dad is a huge fan. i've read some other strugatskii stuff but i'm not sure it's been translated into english. they're talented people.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:43 pm

Nice. I'll read some soon!
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Post by Beau » Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:42 pm

Beau wrote:Oh, nice! It looks like Chimes at Midnight crossed with Salo. I think I also found the novel for cheap at the local book fair, so I'll pick that up too.
Done. I love this place. This forum. This thread. Will report back on the novel and then watch the movie. I've only seen one movie from German - the automobile-related one - and it was incredible. So much life in every frame. I can only compare it to, yeah, Chimes at Midnight. I don't think I can even say what the hell happened in either movie. I was just too immersed in the bodies and the movement. They remind me of those early experiments in cinematic music, from Mary Ellen Bute or Norman McLaren, only instead of animation or dancing objects, you have throngs of people.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Wed Dec 17, 2014 12:23 am

Beau wrote:I love this place.
I've been thinking much the same thing lately. I love you guys. :heart:

And I really need to see Chimes at Midnight.
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Post by Macrology » Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:48 am

You really, really do.
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Maiden's Voyage: The Zero Theorem

Post by Shieldmaiden » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:40 pm

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Chaos pays. I'm strangely tempted to put a picture of a talking fox here, haha, but I'll resist. I really enjoyed The Zero Theorem. Gilliam packs it with blasts of color and visual humor in a hyperactive caricature of our over-commercialized world. But it would never have worked without Christoph Waltz as its miserable hero. He's ridiculously watchable here, and his character's painstaking progress brings emotional resonance to his crazy surroundings. True, the ideas involved are about as complex as Dr. Seuss. But, even the simplest message can be satisfying, and the joy is all in the candy-colored journey.
About that ending...
I did think it felt disappointingly similar to the end Brazil at first, but I changed my mind. After all, he’s still in the silly suit Bob gave him, having his moment of connection to his "soul." Right? And, he speaks some very good sense to himself (in the guise of Matt Damon) as he struggles with the concept that hope for the future can blind one to the present. We don't get to see where he goes with that. Reviewers seem to think he's already chosen, that he's retreated into virtual emptiness. But, as far as I can tell, he's still lying there, twitching, on the floor. And I think there are definite indications that he'll eventually stand up and embrace life instead.
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And... since I won't be around much the next few days, I'll put this up now. I love you guys. <3
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Likewise <3
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:47 pm

Maiden :heart:
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As I soon as I get some time to watch film you ditch me? :(

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Post by Shieldmaiden » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:11 pm

Beau wrote:I think I also found the novel for cheap at the local book fair, so I'll pick that up too.
Reading this (Hard to Be a God) right now.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:27 pm

I've already babbled too long about Zero Theorem. (Am I the only one who liked it?) But I have to give a shout out to the signs in the park. It’s an easy gag, I admit, but I laughed so much:

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I don't know how one would water ski on a sidewalk, but I’m willing to admit that it would be dangerous to try. But, this place is strict: no ice cream, no balloons, no umbrellas! No smiling!! And, I’m not quite sure what’s going on here, haha:

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Maiden's Voyage: Through a Glass Darkly

Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:15 am

Dreiser picked Through a Glass Darkly for my next Bergman way back last February, and it’s taken me this long to get to it. So, dreiser, if you’re reading, good call! A couple of thoughts: The acute longing she feels for the "other world" she goes to is the first instance I've ever come across of mournful nostalgia in madness. Also, this is such a Scandinavian view of faith and reason – where the dangers of emotional transcendence are too horrible to contemplate, and all a rational man can do to ward off despair is grasp at intellectual straws. The slender thread his father offers Minus is the idea that, even in its most destructive form, human love is a dim reflection of God’s. It’s almost no comfort at all, but it’s all he has. The fact that it's taken him seventeen years and a series of crises to share his insight with his son says more than the thought itself!

But what I really want to talk about is the sense of history, relationships stretching back and back, time passed. Sometimes I get this feeling through good acting alone, and, it's true, the performances here are impeccable; but, I'm convinced there’s more to it. Every conversation feels like an extension of the one before, the one we just happened to miss because we weren’t peering into their lives with a movie camera yesterday. The existence of that longer conversation (the sum of all their conversations over time) is clearly felt. And it does this so naturally, without calling attention to itself, without feeling written. So many movies, if they even try for this, fail miserably, or succeed only in spurts; all of which makes the beautiful, sustained momentum of the writing here even more remarkable.

Also awesome: the fact that this family lives on an island of landforms, architecture, and weather that, as in a fairy tale, perfectly mirror their mental spaces. And, taking into account the not-insignificant fact that almost every frame looks like a spare, Modernist painting, do I have a new favorite Bergman? Maybe!
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:28 am

P.S. And, it strikes me now that this is the anti-Breaking the Waves: a charming, complex female character I can understand, even sympathize with, as she descends into her quasi-religious brand of mental illness; flawed (but realistic) men in the background doing more harm than good; a rational ending with no attempt to pull the rug out from under us; anti-melodrama that trusts us to think beyond the visceral. You get the idea. :)
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Post by snapper » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:23 am

Heh, I hate TaGD, but i'm not a harriet andersson fan at all
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:11 pm

Leave poor Trier alone already!

Might just revisit this Bergman for the thread, though? Hmm.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:05 pm

snapper wrote:i'm not a harriet andersson fan at all
I guess I am a fan since Sawdust and Tinsel is my other favorite!

I don't think I've ever hated a Bergman, but he's hard to love as well.
JediMoonShyne wrote:Might just revisit this Bergman for the thread, though? Hmm.
Thematically, it's about connection, though. Of course, there's plenty of isolation in their failures to connect...
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Post by snapper » Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:36 pm

Those are two of my least faves lol. I liked her a LOT in C&W but that's it as far as her Berg output (she's ok in Dreams I guess?)
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Post by Beau » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:58 pm

From THE FACEBOOK, so excuse the "not really written for you guys" vibe, for which you can certainly hate me. The book was awesome, and the movie looks awesome, so I hope it is an awesome viewing experience from a director I already know to be awesome but from whom I have not seen enough awesome things outside of the example mentioned below:

I finished reading HARD TO BE A GOD, by the Strugatsky brothers. I bought it immediately after discovering that the newest – and sadly last – film by Aleksei German – the genius Russian director responsible for one of the most insane and hallucinatory movies ever made, KHRUSTALYOV, MY CAR! – is an adaptation of it. I had already eyed a copy at a local used book fair, which I seized immediately, and though the edition is rather shoddy (lots of typos and spelling mistakes) the translation is acceptable. The book, printed on December 1977, came with a few curios, as used books usually do, nudged in between the yellowing pages: a page marker from 1977 and two tickets to a 1977 Argentine production of Frank Harvey’s THE DAY AFTER THE FAIR. The novel is about two cosmonauts in a distant planet in which the population is going through a period similar to our medieval era. In this context, a sinister government official leads a deadly charge against intellectuals, which the cosmonauts do little to oppose since, undercover amidst the aliens, they hope to preserve their scholarly distance and objectivity. They only save a few doctors, philosophers, novelists, and inventors, while the persecution and killing continues and eventually leads to a coup d’état, after which the sinister government official and his Sacred Order take control of the region of Arkanar. Whoever bought this book, back in the day, read it during Argentina’s 1976-1983 military dictatorship, so I cannot help but wonder how he or she might have read the story. I also reflected on how, although the cosmonauts seem to come from some socialist paradise, we never actually learn how this paradise operates and only witness the protagonists’ intellectual and moral rigidity, as well as their utter impotence against the horrors of the world (extraterrestrial, in this case). The Strugatsky brothers were not known for offering easy solutions to social and political conundrums, which is equally the case in another of the best novels I read this year, by the same authors, ROADSIDE PICNIC. Although it is not explicitly anticommunist – if anything, it is a harsh critique of capitalism – it nevertheless met harsh resistance from Soviet bureaucrats for aesthetic reasons: it was complex and ambiguous, not qualities science fiction, a genre presumably aimed at teenagers, was supposed to embody.
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Post by snapper » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:37 am

waaaaaaaaant to see Khrustalyov now
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Post by LEAVES » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:57 am

Shieldmaiden wrote:And, I’m not quite sure what’s going on here, haha:

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I see that nobody can understand the magic of cinema without my input, so I will begrudgingly reveal the mystery:

This sign is somewhat ambiguous, but it can mean either that cats are not allowed to wear dresses or it means that there are no female cats allowed. Now, obviously female cats wearing dresses are under no circumstances allowed.
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LEAVES wrote:cats are not allowed to wear dresses
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Shieldmaiden wrote:I've already babbled too long about Zero Theorem. (Am I the only one who liked it?) But I have to give a shout out to the signs in the park. It’s an easy gag, I admit, but I laughed so much:

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I don't know how one would water ski on a sidewalk, but I’m willing to admit that it would be dangerous to try. But, this place is strict: no ice cream, no balloons, no umbrellas! No smiling!! And, I’m not quite sure what’s going on here, haha:

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Haha. I forgot about this one. Never caught it when it played in Buenos Aires. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:24 pm

I hope you like it as much as I do. No one else around here has had much to say. And, by the way...
Beau wrote:The book, printed on December 1977, came with a few curios, as used books usually do, nudged in between the yellowing pages: a page marker from 1977 and two tickets to a 1977 Argentine production of Frank Harvey’s THE DAY AFTER THE FAIR.
My library copy is brand new (with a cover from the German film!), so it's artifact free. I'm only halfway in, but it's not nearly as chaotic as the movie, and the religion vs. knowledge thing is much more heavy-handed. In the film, we struggle to pick up clues as the main character does, and the hints (and the allegory) grow more ominous as we fill them in with our own history. And, I miss the crazy, exuberant images. Hope you watch it soon...
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Maiden's Voyage: Best of 2014

Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:51 pm

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Best films first seen in
2014


I saw 143 films for the first time this year, down a little from years before. Also, I feel my viewing was less methodical this year, less masterpiece oriented, making this list even more quirky than usual. Still, I had fun! (Starred lists take you to other threads.)

Farewell to the Ark
Himizu
Hard to Be a God
A Touch of Sin
Szamanka
Guilty of Romance
Through a Glass Darkly
Laurence Anyways
Two-Legged Horse*
A Field in England

Underground
The Match Factory Girl*
A Simple Life*
Chimes at Midnight
The Zero Theorem
Enough Said
The Cat o' Nine Tails
Woman of the Lake*
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Snowpiercer

Drifting Clouds
D’est*
The Brothers Karamazov
Cat Soup
Bay of Angels
Rigor Mortis
Almayer’s Folly*
Under the Skin
The American Friend*
Seven Notes in Black*


My other year-end lists: 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010.
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Shieldmaiden wrote:I hope you like it as much as I do. No one else around here has had much to say. And, by the way...

My library copy is brand new (with a cover from the German film!), so it's artifact free. I'm only halfway in, but it's not nearly as chaotic as the movie, and the religion vs. knowledge thing is much more heavy-handed. In the film, we struggle to pick up clues as the main character does, and the hints and allusions grow more ominous as we fill them in with history. Plus, I miss the crazy, exuberant images. Hope you watch it soon...
Well, knowing German, I can only assume the movie's more chaotic. The "religion vs. knowledge" thing in the novel is actually kind of ambiguous, I found, because there's a sense that the protagonists, who are far too confident in their intellectual superiority, are not nearly as enlightened as they think they are. The fact that they go around disparaging everyone around them who seems uncultivated and that they're utterly incapable of dealing with the supposedly "savage" and "unsophisticated" political scheming that goes on in this planet makes them appear to be rather pathetic. Of course, I didn't expect the source text to be exuberant, having read Roadside Picnic, which is likewise disappointing if you go in expecting Stalker. The Stugatsky brothers write in clear prose and describe perfectly comprehensible situations. They have been brilliantly reinterpreted for cinema, and the movies they inspired are quite different from the books they wrote. That said, it's worth pointing out that the Strugatsky brothers always wanted German to make the movie of their book. The one starring Werner Herzog was supposed to be directed by German, but then that didn't pan out. Thankfully, German fulfilled their wishes before dying.
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Post by charulata » Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:39 pm

Happy New year, maiden. I am slightly devastated that Bay of Angels is so low for you. If I hadn't watched it before, it'd be one of my top 5 discoveries this year... which it still should be coz the big screen experience really transformed it for me. Happened with all the Demy movies.
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Post by JediMoonShyne » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:56 pm

Bay of Angels :heart:
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:56 pm

charulata wrote:I am slightly devastated that Bay of Angels is so low for you.
Aw, top 30 is pretty high! And, that's without the big screen advantage. Honestly, I didn't expect to like it nearly that much, but it overcame all my prejudices. And, that penultimate shot in the mirrors!!!
Beau wrote:They have been brilliantly reinterpreted for cinema, and the movies they inspired are quite different from the books they wrote.
Yeah, that's what I find so fascinating. The adaptations are (often) so brilliant, and in such different ways. It's good to hear they were rooting for German.
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Re: Maiden's Voyage

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Shieldmaiden wrote:Yeah, that's what I find so fascinating. The adaptations are (often) so brilliant, and in such different ways. It's good to hear they were rooting for German.
I agree! I wasn't a big fan of The Ugly Swans (I prefer the other Lopushansky sci-fis), but Stalker and Days of Eclipse are obviously tops, and I hope Hard to be a God lives up to the legacy.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:29 am

Beau wrote:The "religion vs. knowledge" thing in the novel is actually kind of ambiguous, I found, because there's a sense that the protagonists, who are far too confident in their intellectual superiority, are not nearly as enlightened as they think they are. The fact that they go around disparaging everyone around them who seems uncultivated and that they're utterly incapable of dealing with the supposedly "savage" and "unsophisticated" political scheming that goes on in this planet makes them appear to be rather pathetic.
This is an interesting take, and, now that I've finished it, I agree it's not as black and white as I first thought. I never found Rumata/Anton pathetic, though. I thought the ways he wrestled with the various temptations of his position were rather sophisticated. Of course, the struggle to live without soap or underwear (haha) was pretty funny. That's a big piece that's missing in the film, by the way: the humor. I suppose there's situational humor in the filthy crowds, outhouse jokes, and the occasional pig corpse (!); but, nothing comes close to Rumata's efforts in the novel to maintain his reputation as a ladies' man, while being unable to stand the way they smell. Anyway, good book, good movie!
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Post by Beau » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:48 am

Shieldmaiden wrote:This is an interesting take, and, now that I've finished it, I agree it's not as black and white as I first thought. I never found Rumata/Anton pathetic, though. I thought the way he wrestled with the various temptations of his position were rather sophisticated. Of course, the struggle to live without soap or underwear (haha) was pretty funny. That's a big piece that's missing in the film, by the way: the humor. I suppose there's situational humor in the filthy crowds, outhouse jokes, and the occasional pig corpse (!); but, nothing comes close to Rumata's efforts in the novel to maintain his reputation as a ladies' man, while simply unable to stand the way they smell. Anyway, good book, good movie!
Oh, I didn't mean to belittle his intellectual struggle. I meant pathetic in the sense of his powerlessness, which is at odds with the extremely high opinion he and those like him have of themselves as members of a "superior" civilization. They never question their narrow teleological view of history, in which they view themselves as being more advanced in the grand narrative of rational evolution and look down with invincible condescension at everyone on this planet (except for a few they can accept as worthy of intellectual respect, which leads them to ignore the whole mass of common people who are apparently not worth saving). Part of the humor in the book, I think, stems from their holier-than-thou attitude and how ridiculous it seems next to their inability to steer the politics of this alien race in any useful direction. If anything, they're the ones who end up being changed and influenced. (Thoughout the book, the protagonists share stories of earthlings who lose their minds or are incorporated into the extraterrestrial civilization and its "savage" ways. The haunting end, I think, suggests that's what ends up happening to Anton.) Glad you liked the novel! I hope I manage to watch the movie soon, so I can post my two cents on it.
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Post by Shieldmaiden » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:11 am

Beau wrote:If anything, they're the ones who end up being changed and influenced.
So key, yes! In the end, they're treating Anton as if he'd lost his mind, when all he'd really done was succumb to human nature. Unwelcome proof they hadn't changed as much as they liked to think...
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Shieldmaiden wrote:So key, yes! In the end, they're treating Anton as if he'd lost his mind, when all he'd really done was succumb to human nature. Unwelcome proof they hadn't changed as much as they liked to think...
Totally agree. Great ending. Subtle and disquieting.

I also like how we're distanced from Anton. We see everything from his eyes from the beginning. And then, at the end, we're looking at him through other eyes, from those of his old friends. I think that makes his transformation more dramatic. We're no longer besides him. We've "lost" him, in a sense.
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